Introducing Married Red Pill Flair

michael_wilkins · 2016-05-05T14:11:26+00:00

No marriage shaming.

Inb4 someone accuses this of turning TRP into a hugbox.

Someone's who's facing down a bear doesn't need advice on how to stay away from bears in mating season, they need advice on how to escape a bear.

StraightGlueWater · 2016-05-05T01:26:26+00:00

A friend of mine from high school lost contact with all of us about a year or two after graduation. He met a psychopathic girl who demanded his attention 24/7.

So naturally he knocked her up and married. They have 4 kids.

He works an incredibly difficult job, but has established a sterling reputation, is a genuinely good guy and gives an absolute master class on being a loving father. The dude lives and breathes for his kids. They've been together for 6 years now.

Imagine his surprise, when earlier this very week, he is approached by a police officer at his work. The police officer informs him that his wife has taken out a restraining order against him, and he is served with divorce papers.

No warning. The weekend prior they were away on a family vacation posting happy family photos on Facebook.

In his shock, he pulled out his phone to call her as soon as he was served by the cop, and the cop arrests him on the spot for breaking the restraining order. The dude didn't even have a chance to comprehend what was happening, and he was arrested at his workplace, in front of his boss and coworkers. I am not fucking joking.

He hasn't heard from his children in almost a week. His wife has responded to nothing. His family has attempted to contact hers, to no avail. As if the universe hasn't shit on this dude hard enough, it's his fucking birthday too.

This guy has NO RECOURSE. Until he can get in front of a judge, he has NO assurance of the safety of his children. He can't know what poison their mother is feeding them about their father. He can't ask them about their days at school. He can't kiss them goodnight. He will be arrested just for asking. For all he knows, she's left the state, or the country, or smothered her kids under pillows. You think your girlfriend missing her period gives you anxiety? Try having everything that matters to you in your life suddenly and without warning ripped away and hidden behind a massive force of police officers and lawyers.

Fuck. This. System.

Marriage is a six-shooter with five bullets. Every once in awhile the trigger gets pulled and nobody dies, but for every one who plays with the gun and lives to tell the tale, there's five who get fucked.

This guy had a promising future in a respectable career. He is now weeks away from being reduced to a complete wage slave on the hook for alimony and the support of 4 children for the next 16 years minimum. Meanwhile his wife is going to get financially reimbursed for kidnapping his children without warning, and she'll be told she's "so strong, so brave" in the process.

Stop reading these stories we share here and writing them off as simple anecdotes. You are not a special snowflake. You will not be the guy who survives the sinking of the Titanic- you will be the guy who is in the freezing cold water asking "Why the fuck did I get on that stupid fucking ship? FUCK."

Do Not Get Married.

Il128 · 2016-05-06T16:47:57+00:00

She's not yours, it's just your turn.

dr_warlock · 2016-05-05T02:10:39+00:00

All of you, start reading

This is what they dont tell you, the legal side, what marriage really is.

IllimitableMan · 2016-05-05T00:58:20+00:00

Excellent, at the end of the day it's a man's choice what he does with his life, we shouldn't disown men who are married because if anything they need our support more than anyone. LTRs are hard mode, whereas marriage is suicide mode, because your ability to affect dread is vastly handicapped by the draconian legislation that is the feminist family courts.

We wouldn't be a very good community for men if we did not warn against the pitfalls of marriage, or make men aware of the women who will try to bully, shame and guilt them into commitment. On that note, I'm reminded of a quote from a commenter from awhile back that stuck with me ever since: "Marriage is responsibility for men and a lifestyle for women"

And as much as I think it is good to support men no matter what they decide, I wish to violently decimate the hamster that plagues married blue and purple pill men.

An open letter to the aforementioned:

Do not think because you are married you are superior to "all those young'uns on TRP" you're not, in fact you're an example of what they should aspire not to become - a blue piller who found the red pill too late. A man who found TRP after wifing up an unworthy woman undeserving of the sacrifice inherent to a lifetime of male commitment.

It's good that we're reaching a lot of young guys on TRP, because we can give them the power to choose what to do with their lives. We have got to them before they can fuck it up for themselves like you have. Do not drag them into your misery. Do not encourage them to fuck up like you and call it maturity and manning up, that is disingenuous, and it robs young men of their future simply to validate your piss poor decision making.

If the young men here want to get married one day, they can do that with full knowledge of the basket case of an institution that they're entering - that's their call. If they want a kid and no marriage, to be a bachelor or even to go MGTOW - this is likewise their call.

TRP doesn't recommend marriage, but it is not our place to MANDATE how people live their lives. We may disagree vehemently, we may advise a man against such a thing, but if he insists on fucking it up for himself then fuck it up he will, and I hope he fucks it up majestically, I hope he enjoys it whilst it lasts and that the pain that will inevitably ensue from his daring naivety is worth all the brief and fleeting joy that will be replaced by the misery of divorce.

A lot of the suckers who were hauled into marriage in their BP days would have a total redo given the chance. That is to say, if they had their level of RP knowledge now and a time machine, they wouldn't be on the internet making the best of a shit situation trying to polish a turd, but rather, they'd be living life on their terms.

They'd have better vetted the bitch they settled down with. They would of done an LTR but not married. They would have gone their own way. They would be bachelor's banging hot bitches Hank Moody style; they would have done shit differently given the gift of hindsight.

But married men don't have that chance, do they? They are trapped. They are trapped in a situation I would not wish on any man, they are trapped in marriage 2.0 - feminist marriage. They are in damage control mode, doing what they can to preserve the best of an inherently corrupt institution, and they tell themselves that they are the real men, they are the noble men, that they are the men who hold up civilization on their backs arched like Atlas, because it is they who "manned up" - when really they are nothing but fools who learned the truth too late and so do what they can to make their misery tolerable.

Sure they hold up civilization, but not from a place of pride or strength, but shackled by feminist legislation from a place of weakness, kept in check by their wife's authority as mandated by the state, subsisting on nothing but a small sense of pride that "they're the real men". That's their mantra, that's what they tell themselves to cope with their relative powerlessness in their house. "I'm a real man, I did the right thing" when "the right thing" has made them miserable.

They hold the piece of shit called marriage in their hand, and they try to shine it as nice as possible. They do it because they don't want to live out of their car. They do it so they don't lose their kids. Know that they do it completely from a place of weakness. They have no other choice, because lacking the gift of red pill knowledge before they committed to such an inequitable contract, they are trapped. And making the best of a bad situation is all they've got so they have to make it work. It's like being a Jew in a gas chamber and discussing breathing techniques to make what little life you have left bearable - this is how I see these men.

A downtrodden man, a hurt man, a man with much to lose and little freedom. Not a powerful man, not a free man, and not a particularly wise one. I chuckle when such a man thinks himself better than those "immature young men who know no better," for this is truly nought but an old fool assuaging the pain that haunts him. It is the tonic of unsubstantiated pride vindicating an old fool for his mistakes at the expense of his brethren wise enough not to follow him.

Modern marriage is not clever, it is quite frankly foolish given the current climate. Any reasonable man will tell you this, but the hyper-religious will try and persuade and shame you into going the traditional route absent the breed of woman and complementing legal system that accompanied it and made it viable. They cut and paste a 1950's social model whilst completely ignoring the fact there's no 1950's legal system to accompany it. They are out of touch, and they call those who don't buy into their delusion immature.

Truth be told, you didn't man up, you were duped. You were fooled into doing something that disadvantages you by linking your pride to sacrifice, and now you think you're mature for having engaged in such a terrible act of folly.

TRP is about giving men power, giving them options and letting them decide how to live for themselves. Not indoctrinating them into a tradcon narrative of "real men sacrifice themselves for women and children" - many of whom which will never appreciate a single drop of sweat or blood you have shed in the quest to "be a real man".

Women of all shades of pill will buy into your sense of honour because it serves them to do so, but they do not care for you, they are not your allies - they are just looking out for themselves. And you are so downtrodden, exploited and foolish, that rather than listen to the free men, you develop Stockholm syndrome for those who would force you to live out of your car should you put a ring on it whilst being imperfect. Open your eyes.

Luckyluke23 · 2016-05-05T10:19:44+00:00

this is a good idea. though, i feel as if it's going to get into a shit show of, " doing get married" posts.

but what happens if you found the red pill after? what happens if you WANT to have kids some day? what happens if you do want to get married.

Raging_Dragon · 2016-05-06T03:26:24+00:00

Some of us did get married and have kids years before TRP was an option or even known or discussed.

All the anti marriage shit makes me wonder what kind of slags guys here have married. If you scrape the bottom of the barrel, don't be surprised it doesn't work out.

MattyAnon · 2016-05-05T00:26:14+00:00

Great plan... MRP sucks, so this is a good way to incorporate it here.

I wonder if the flair should look like a happy bride next to a man crying.

Also...

Do Not Marry

DirtyProject0r · 2016-05-05T08:38:32+00:00

Quote from my father:

"You know why I am happy I have never married your mother and we still are happily together for over 40 years while all your friends' parents have divorced? Because when I say I can walk away any day, minute or second, she knows it is not just bluff."

[deleted] · 2016-05-05T16:54:14+00:00

As someone who's married I love this. Whenever it comes out in a comment that I'm married I get complete non-sequitur comments that are just some variation of "don't get married" or "you're fucking idiot."

Dude, I get it. Ya ya ya. No fucking shit. What do you want me to do?

My apologies to you, non-sequitur commenter, that I didn't find TRP before I did. Gee golly, sure hope you're not mad at me. That would be terrible.

trptwerp · 2016-05-05T00:14:49+00:00

Great addition to the flairs. It fits very well next to the ltr tag.

iamrsj · 2016-05-05T13:28:12+00:00

Thank you for doing this, much appreciated :)

BestBetaEva · 2016-05-06T12:13:24+00:00

You don't have to marry the first girl who lets you come in her bed. It takes at least two years to find out if you are compatible long term. Use that time to work out if your fun times together are permanent or just a flash in the pan. If you are still not sure after three years either bite the bullet and marry her or cut your losses and move on. If it's not going to work long-term, break it off simply but cleanly so you are not depressed.

harsha_hs · 2016-05-05T03:50:55+00:00

Good flair, and extremely accurate moderation rules.

cholomite · 2016-05-05T15:27:05+00:00

I went to MRP simply because the product was better. More focused and actionable advice, practical ideas and strategies that I could use that relate to the differences between LTR's and marraige over plate spinning. The advice on TRP and asktrp is usually just to "next" her or I would get links talking about what a bad deal marraige is, or some article with statistics about divorce rape or child support or the evils of women. I know my LTR is AWALT, I don't need to read an article about divorce rape or western marraige, I want to know how to rebuild attraction after 6 years of beta behavior or how to deal with the shit tests she gives me about my family or the dog or the dishes.

Most of the content on this sub is excellent, but it's idealistic. Obviously we know that the ideal scenario for a guy is to stay single and hot, and just fuck girls and spread his seed all across the world. There seems to be a tone here that if you only stick with one girl, you're fucking retarded and don't deserve to get good advice or feedback because you're not truly "red pill" anyway.

I honestly don't care which sub is the default for married or LTR guys swallowing the pill, as long as the advice and feedback given is good, practical and understanding that not everyone can, or wants to stay single and bang plates forever. I hope you all can pull it off for the sake of all the guys who will be coming here who need it.

the99percent1 · 2016-05-05T11:03:19+00:00

Im gonna play the devils advocate here and say that not all RP men believe in the mantra of "not to get married".

Look, yes, the current feminist landscape does suck.. But then again, feminism is just a shit test..

Let's face it, there are good quality women out there worthy of a lifetime commitment. Plenty can be found in RP women. Women such as these really do help in achieving your mission in life.

And as a man, that is what you are placed on earth to do.. Achieve your fucking mission and then die peacefully. Plenty of great men have gone down this path, why shouldn't you do too? Marriage is very much apart of your mission. To deny it, is just denying an opportunity to achieve your full potential.. Marriage pushes you to achieve the best you can. It is no coincidence that married men out-earn and gain promotion faster than their bachelor counterparts.

If you enjoy children and want to have your own, the likelihood of you getting married increases. It's just a fact of life... Women do expect marriage before kids. They need to have security in the form of marriage.. There's no dodging it. Do you want kids with a woman who can be relied upon to nurture and grow your kids up? Then you are highly likely to get married.

Now, I'm all for taking calculated risks.. marriage to a worthy woman has its huge upsides.. kids, combined income and net-worth, a lifetime partnership, someone you can really trust and count upon, etc..

Marriage is a partnership.. You are entering into a contract, and just like any contract, there is a minute chance it will fuck you in the ass if you aren't careful and don't do your due diligence. That's all there is to marriage.. Do your fucking homework and keep screening women the way that RP have advised you to do and you should be fine.

And in the event your marriage turns to shit in the future.. So fucking what? Just remember, you are a man.. You will live on.

maratas · 2016-05-05T06:51:26+00:00

Thank you for this new flair. I have been following TRP for almost two years now. Indeed I have learnt a lot, improved a lot. Most important of all, I am seeing the world with new eys now. Your efforts to spread the worldview of TRP has changed me for good. I will never see sexual dynamics the same way I did in my BP days.

This month I am getting married. In part I've made this decision due to my strong preference for family, in part due to my strong Catholic convictions. I have read MRP sub for some time, but dropped it after a few months.

I very much hope to learn a lot from posts under the new flair.

Adderallabuse · 2016-05-05T00:20:33+00:00

just made the first post with the new flair to begin the conversation

Imjustkidding · 2016-05-05T19:11:38+00:00

C'mon /u/redpillschool what about the monetary flair we talked about?

mikazee · 2016-05-05T23:34:10+00:00

The discussion taking place shall not devolve into anti-marriage rants, but rather need to stay constructive on how best to manage a relationship and family.

That's one thing I love about this subreddit. I don't always agree, but there is always a push to be constructive. The point of taking responsibility even when it isn't your fault is to put you in the mindstate of doing something about what your situation is to make it better. Doesn't make it fair, but it makes life better.

Areu4realm8 · 2016-05-06T16:42:08+00:00

ive been married and i was not happy anymore after the 4th year. this happens to everyone, not only me, love has an expiration date. only get married if you want kids. if you get married because of "love" or "happiness" you will get fucked. be prepared of a boring,unnatural relationship, who gives you nothing.

Lord_Fucker · 2016-05-06T17:17:30+00:00

I think you need to add topological sorting algorithms here. Because what if somebody would want to read all the top posts from married flair. Also I'd recommend some quick map what picture means what. Not sure if it's possible on reddit. At least ask them.

AOF_Semiramis · 2016-05-08T17:22:59+00:00

Since this flair is gonna be here now,any chance we can get a way to filter the tag out from the options?

Randomwaves · 2016-05-05T03:18:49+00:00

I'm not that educated in red pill stuff. So question, is red pill anti marriage?

RedCrayonWizard · 2016-05-05T03:22:25+00:00

I don't see being married as a bad deal completely, but because I don't want kids, it may not be for me. I'm coming to terms with that. But for guys who are, they are here because they know that the cards are stacked against them and want to lead their ship. It's not an easy path to take, but this place is good for guys that want to retake their rightful place as the Captain.

Festyballs · 2016-05-07T06:42:40+00:00

I'm not married, but I have a former squad mate that is...and he married a MILF with 2 kids in tow. I give him shit (jokingly) but he's holding it down, and I respect that. Good to see a thread like this. Even tho I'll never ever ever get married. This is good shit

nargin0 · 2016-05-05T00:59:33+00:00

This is a great start!

Are there any plans to add RPW style user flair? For example my RPW flair is "Late 30s, Married 12 years, Together 18, Male". It might be useful to include children. I think this is helpful for evaluating advice. I know priorities can be quite different particularly after kids and after many years. Often on MRP I see a lot of advice and think back to how that used to make sense before kids or in the first few years.

Edit: removed link to r / RedPillWomen / wiki / flairs

gonorealover · 2016-05-07T21:05:26+00:00

No marriage shaming.

Marriage is the only shame in a man's life. Its the badge that he fails as a man and pays by being a beta providing slave who is inferior to other men . Married men are workers. Married men are providers. Married men are deprived of women's attention. There is nothing worst than a married men . A lonely virgin dying as a virgin is far better off than a man who is despised by his own wife and children .

A married men is inferior than a woman .

redpillschool · 2016-05-05T00:04:10+00:00

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Introducing Married Red Pill Flair

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Some people's purpose in life is to serve as an example to others of what NOT to do.

Do Not Marry

Title	Introducing Married Red Pill Flair
Author	redpillschool
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Date	May 4, 2016 11:17 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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