As a black man who's dated his share of white girls since I was a teenager, I caught heat on both ends. That is, my girlfriends' fathers, and my own mother. They both handled things differently but the bottom line is that neither parent was a big fan of my relationships with white chicks.
The reason is simple: My mother didn't like it because she took personal offense to me choosing a woman of a different skin tone than her. In her mind she's subconsciously thinking: 'My son is supposed to look for a woman like me so why is he choosing the polar opposite?' My mother is a poor example of a woman period.....skin tone be damned. She made bad and selfish choices throughout my childhood and I witnessed the all up close and personal. As a result, I subconsciously thought to myself 'well if this is what black women are like, I'm stayin' away....fuck that noise.'
Of course I wasn't thinking that as a teenager but that's probably one of the main reasons I stay away from black women (trust me...there are scores of other reasons).
I can't speak for white girls and why they choose to be mudsharks but my guess is that one of the reasons is not unlike mine. Maybe they had a sad excuse for a father and decided to go the other way. Maybe they're just being rebellious and it's just a phase (she'll be lucky if it's just a phase if she manages not to be seen by other people which is highly unlikely as white girls love to broadcast their taste in black men to everyone who'll look and listen). Whatever the case may be, their fathers probably take offense to it much like my mom did.
Yes, white fathers with white daughters know that fuckin' with black dudes is bad for her SMV. It makes her radioactive to other white guys, if she has a mixed baby with the dude it makes her equally radioactive, etc. But I think that white fathers and black mothers (and to a lesser degree black fathers and white mothers) take it personally when their offspring choose someone of a different race.
I'd be interested to hear opinions and experiences on this. What say you?
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I beg to differ. I'm black and I've been a straight A student since elementary school and graduated as valedictorian of my high school. (while being one of the few black people in a majority white class ;) ) You mad yet? Now im in my second year of college and had a 4.0 gpa for the first 2 semesters and a 3.8 GPA in my third semester
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Depends on where you are: Northern racism is different from Southern racism; some racist Southerners'd be pissed if their daughters came home with a 35-year-old Ben Carson: a goddamned brain surgeon and youngest Chief of Neurosurgery in the Mayo Clinic's history, and a Yale graduate.
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Possibly he doesn't get offended by words; Or its another example of people co-opting words meant to be offensive to disempower them. Not that I really give a fuck..
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It's about the same for the black population too, what is your point? Who are you to decide what is and isn't generic?
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Nothing wrong with wanting grandkids that look like you
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This is probably the biggest reason I'd never want my daughter to date a black guy. If he manages to weasel his way into her bed and she ever gets knocked up, there's an astronomically high chance he'll disappear and leave her with a mixed kid that sends every decent man she meets after that running for the hills. With black guys, the odds are just way too high that she'll end up hurt, diseased, or a single mom. We all know it consciously or subconsciously, and that's why we stay away from women we know have been with black guys in the past.
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What if he's a Black doctor, biglaw lawyer, or engineer: is that an exception?
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Going through each and every one of your links, a critical reviewer will find you extrapolating more than once. No doubt you have included real science but a lot of it has nothing to do with your supposed unified claim that admixture genetics is detrimental. I am someone that doesn't dismiss research into ethnic differences on the genetic level so I will be fair here -- But you piled up a lot of stuff to make it look like an irrefutable point is being made. Most lazy readers aren't going to look into it to realize much of it isn't research at all and the claims you're implying are not there. I'm not outright dismissing you here but for all the sycophants I'm going to take the time to review each link so people are a little more critical (you'll find some of his claims accurate while some are reaching, others are just broken links he probably copied from somewhere else without bothering to review.):
link 1) an imgur screenshot talking about MAOA gene conferring increase in violent behavior -- If you look into further research will show that there is an increased frequency of this gene in all populations groups (highest being african groups, then chinese, maori, caucasion).. None are over 60% prevalence and the lowest (caucasians) is still 43%. Multiple studies will confirm the connection between violent retribution and high MAOA gene expression when a significant external wrongdoing is applied to test subject. An insignificant wrongdoing triggers no such response. So yes, statistically there is a higher prevelance amongst africans for these gene expression and that can lead (with proper epigenetic triggers) to more violence.
link 2) another imgur screenshot showing higher rates of STDs amongst blacks -- these statistics can be found elsewhere. Better insist on condoms ladies ;) bwahaha
link 3) a screengrab from a forum insisting on "subspecies"; This one is a pain in the ass, because its not science. Its some tool on the internet. I took the time to physically type in the first link: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2675054/ Its a study about genetic differences between european populations... Lets see what the next one is: http://www.genetics.org/content/105/3/767 If you can make it through the mumbo-jumbo its just a paper on using a different methodology of measuring gene differential. It has no conclusions otherwise.. I'm going to stop here because this was just lazy.
link 4) the uchicago/racemixing link is a class overview that just lays out the goals for the semester: "Ideas about race-mixing have ranged along a continuum framed by polar opposite positions: on one end, the idea, à la the nineteenth-century Gobineau or the twentieth-century Madison Grant, that biological and racial mixture lead inevitability to social and national degeneration, and at the other end, the idea of racial mixture (cultural or biological) as sources of regeneration and sometimes even superiority, as one finds in José Vasconcelos or Gilberto Freyre in the 1920s and ‘30s. At either extreme, the phenomenon raises questions about just how “race” is to be defined (biology or culture), its relation to other social categories and institutions (e.g., gender, sexuality, the nation), and whether and how it is legitimate or even possible to mark or valorize social “identities” or “difference“ as such in modern democratic societies." this is another lazy ass link that lazy ass readers will look at the pile of hyperlinks our esteemed redditor has assembled and think, "wow look at all the science" There is nothing here.
link 5) https://www.scribd.com/document/84235846/Three-Effects-of-Outbreeding Again, (smh) this is not a scientific paper. It is a compilation some person put together that defines 3 key terms, "inbreeding depression" "outbreeding depression" and "hybrid vigor" regarding genetic admixture between ethnic sub groups. It cites quotes from a "Matt Nuenke" but not any actual science. The bibliography is links to blogs from (self claimed white nationalists). I decided to type in "Matt Nuenke" and he is the author of a site called "neoeugenics" (ahem).
link 6, 7, 10) I'm not even going to bother. "counter currents" and "majority rights" are just blogs.... blogs for one agenda... just guess.
link 8) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1448064/ Oh we got some science here, let's see what its about (because you all clicked on it and critically absorbed the information right?) -- "objective: This study compared the health and risk status of adolescents who identify with 1 race with those identifying with more than 1 race."...okay so we're looking at a survey of teenagers. And methods? "Data are derived from self-reports of race, using the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health (Add Health), which provides a large representative national sample of adolescents in grades 7 through 12. Respondents could report more than 1 race." [their options? "White, Black or African American, American Indian or Native American, Asian or Pacific Islander, Other."] So it was a health survey that allowed teenagers to report their ethnic identity as one or more groups. What about the conclusions? "Results. Mixed-race adolescents showed higher risk when compared with single-race adolescents on general health questions, school experience, smoking and drinking, and other risk variables. Conclusions. Adolescents who self-identify as more than 1 race are at higher health and behavior risks. The findings are compatible with interpreting the elevated risk of mixed race as associated with stress." So they concluded their original goal: "We test the prevailing view of the literature that mixed-race adolescents are at higher health and behavior risk than single-race individuals because of stress associated with mixed racial identity. An alternative and simpler hypothesis is that mixed-race adolescents are affected by the cultural experience of both races and will have risk status in between their 2 component races. We test the hypothesis that mixed-race adolescents are within the boundary values for the nonrisk individual and family attributes of the 2 single-race groups that constitute their identities." The actual conclusions of the researchers that the health issues reported had strong connections to stress and that individuals from mixed-race backgrounds likely had increased stress due to self-identity. I draw no conclusion here except to flesh out the actual report for people who want to be critical and not lazy idiots.
link 9) the UNC news report is just an article on the previous study. Its not anything novel and is therefore redundant to make the post look more inflated with "studies".
link 11) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16282974 "A variant of the gene encoding leukotriene A4 hydrolase confers ethnicity-specific risk of myocardial infarction." Study shows higher incidence of a gene that reduces risk of myocardial infarction (aka heart attack). Meaning european americans are more adapted to our predominantly SAD diet (standard american diet -- which is wheat, sugar and dairy heavy) and that non-european populations aren't as adapted. Certain populations also have adaptations to their own localized diseases. What's the point? Some populations (northern scandinavia, middle east, northwestern african, and elsewhere) show a higher expression of lactase in adulthood -- the populations have a long tradition of milk raising (pastoral agriculture). Its been said recently that milk is a symbol of white nationalism, but that's silly because they aren't the only population with such adaptations. I don't know what I'm saying except just tossing this link in without explanation is just another example of bulking links to look more well researched.
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link 12) http://genomebiology.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/gb-2009-10-12-r141 "Characterizing the admixed African ancestry of African Americans" Again, this is just a study of african descended americans that shows their genetic lineage is much more mixed than any single african population. Having studied genetics myself, in humans and plants, there is a term called a "Vavilov Center" its a geographic area that shows genetic origins due to gene expression (the longer a species has inhabited an area, the more genetic range is expressed). FWIW, the most ancient population center for humans belongs to the Kalihari Bushmen of Africa. The most narrow? The northern scandinavian populations of Europe. In fact, a blond haired, blue eyed (recessive) male has the same bone-density of a west-african female. Am I drawing any conclusions here? Nope. Just talking about facts. If you want to race-bait, go ahead. Nonetheless, this link has nothing to do with anything the poster is trying to imply. Its just more selective fluff because most of you won't bother to read. More from the linked abstract: "Results -From cluster analysis, we found that all the African Americans are admixed in their African components of ancestry, with the majority contributions being from West and West-Central Africa, and only modest variation in these African-ancestry proportions among individuals. Furthermore, by principal components analysis, we found little evidence of genetic structure within the African component of ancestry in African Americans. Conclusions - These results are consistent with historic mating patterns among African Americans that are largely uncorrelated to African ancestral origins, and they cast doubt on the general utility of mtDNA or Y-chromosome markers alone to delineate the full African ancestry of African Americans. Our results also indicate that the genetic architecture of African Americans is distinct from that of Africans, and that the greatest source of potential genetic stratification bias in case-control studies of African Americans derives from the proportion of European ancestry." IOW, 'blacks' in america are more distantly related to ancestral african populations because of the presence of 'white' dna. Oh the humanity -- people be fucking! Can't stop the fucking...
link 13) the time article about bone transplants http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1993074,00.html -- "Compared to organ transplants, bone marrow donations need to be even more genetically similar to their recipients. Though there are exceptions, the vast majority of successful matches take place between donors and patients of the same ethnic background. Since all the immune system's cells come from bone marrow, a transplant essentially introduces a new immune system to a person. Without genetic similarity between the donor and the patient, the new white blood cells will attack the host body. In an organ transplant, the body can reject the organ, but with marrow, the new immune system can reject the whole body. " So if you're mixed-race and you need a bone transplant, you're more fucked than single race individuals. Don't get bone cancer folks. This link is one of the few so far that has anything to do 'mixed race problems' the poster is trying to assemble.
link 14) broken link
link 15) broken link
link 16) http://www.jstor.org/stable/1537084?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents "The Low Sex Ratio in Negro Births and Its Probable Explanation " This is literally a link to a book published in 1927 reviewing census data from the 1800s that the excerpt itself criticizes as incomplete. For more on "sex ratio" here's a wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sex_ratio I'm not going to say anything more.
Links 17 + 18) Articles about human intelligence is largely inheritable. These are valid. And if you read the sidebar and watched the Norwegian documentary debunking gender studies, there is an episode dedicated to this subject. Showing adoptees have intelligence levels more correlated to their biological parents than their adoptive ones. This is valid science that some find controversial but I welcome.
Link 19) http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289608000305 from the abstract: "The current study examines the views of experts in the science of mental abilities about the primacy and uniqueness of g and the social implications of ability testing, and compares their responses to the views of a group of non-expert psychologists. Results indicate expert consensus that g is an important, non-trivial determinant (or at least predictor) of important real world outcomes for which there is no substitute, and that tests of g are valid and generally free from racial bias. Experts did not reach consensus on issues such as the degree to which specific abilities or combinations of non-cognitive traits can yield predictive validities comparable to that of g alone, the predictive validity of g for non-technical work outcomes (e.g., contextual performance), and the nature and implications of race differences in intelligence. Second, a comparison of responses from experts and a group of applied psychologists reveals several discrepant beliefs between these groups, primarily dealing with the primacy of g, susceptibility of ability tests to racial bias, and the potential value of ability testing. Results are discussed in terms of directions for future research and shared responsibility for various groups of researchers to enhance dissemination of research to relevant audiences."
There's not a hell of a lot there since the poster certainly didn't purchase the full study and neither did I, but I am not against the claim here. I'm of the camp that there are IQ differences among populations statistically, and that even though that makes people uncomfortable its valid. The way statistics works means that "averages" are taken, and not indicative of any individual. Gender Studies folks don't believe in any sort of genetic influence on any of this. I'm not of that denialist camp.
Link 20) http://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html "The Widening Racial Scoring Gap on the SAT College Admissions Test" This is legitimate. However its outdated (its talking about 2 decades of the previous incarnation of the SAT, which phased out very soon after I took it in 2005, when the highest score you could get was 1600). I looked up links for current results and it is the same https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/09/03/sat-scores-drop-and-racial-gaps-remain-large this link shows racial gaps are maintained and the overall scores are declining (people are getting dumber, great).
Link 21) http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/1997mainstream.pdf This is another repeat of an earlier link (the one about adoptees). It shows it was done in 1977. Redundant.
Link 22)http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886912003741 average african iq in east and south african populations is 79. Yup, checks out.
Link 23)http://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/1997mainstream.pdf 1994 WSJ article -- checks out -- populations have "roughly overlapping bell curves" with certain black and hispanic groups slightly lower on average, and east asian and jewish groups slightly higher -- with members of every group represented at all levels of the IQ bell curve spectrum.
Link 24) Another repeat of the SAT score differences. Redundant.
Link 25) Dr. Lahn's "controversial research" write up in the WSJ -- can't read unless you're subscribed to WSJ so I'll go ahead and find alternative sources on Dr. Lahn's research so we can be informed readers: http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/050922/brainevolution.shtml Lahn studies prevalance of a pair of genes correlated to brain size. Populations were included all over the world. There was a lower expression or absence of these genes in sub-saharan africans and new-world asians (amerindians). This is worth a read to the discerning mind, its not something to just brush over with the claim "no africans had this gene" like the poster implied. North african populations did have this gene and other articles seem to pair it with the introduction of Neanderthal genes which didn't make their way into sub-saharan african groups. This was what the poster said, "Genes for large brains, linked to high IQ, are common everywhere except Africa". So, false. Read the article. Sub-saharan africans were distinguished from North africans. Minute criticism or more laziness?
Link 26) "intelligence is in the genes" la times article http://articles.latimes.com/2011/aug/10/news/la-heb-genetic-study-intelligence-20110809 yup, checks out. Never disagreed with these kind of implications either. Read the sideboard and watch the norwegian docs where they debunk gender theory hacks that deny genetic links to almost everything.
Link 27) broken link "iq scores are best indicator of success in the west" Even if the link wasn't broken, I would have no qualms with this claim. Obviously poster trying to extrapolate something with the ethnic differences in average iq. So toss him his little kibble.
link 28) broken link "iq is 75% heritable among whites" -- even if not broken, doesn't break from all the other redundant posts about IQ and genetics. Although the caption would imply now that its a unique thing amongst a particular ethnogroup.
So there we go. Wasted my time because I'm seeing sycophants below. I'm not even in total disagreement with the damn poster, I just hate lazy fucking readers and lazy "science".
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The absolute truth is you should never generalize an entire race. Seems to me you have a lot of hate in you and shouldn't even be in this conversation since you're so negative.
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This just isn't true... You just can't rationalize in your head that it isn't always a "fetishization" and you're hamstering that the only way a white woman can be attracted to a black male is because she has a "thing" for black dudes.
A black man can have a high smv and still pull a white women with a high smv because he is in the top 20%, with race having nothing to do with it.
Not all people who date outside their race are trying to satisfy some animalistic "fever"
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Or the man has a high enough SMV where his race has nothing to do with her being attracted to him. Quit hamstering as to why these hot women are dating minority men who you deem beneath you, instead of yourself
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Seen the same scent studies. Often use it as my own shit test when I'm flirting with new women. And if anyone cares, the term that describes mating outside your tribe is called "exogamy" -- which can refer to purely social groups, or genetic groups.
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