Womans perspective - Why Beta Guys are Actually Scary AF When You're Use To Dating Bad Guys

FrgElder · 2016-09-03T08:25:00+00:00

This is how broken women think. If you come across a girl that is showing or admitting to any of these behaviors, consider that a major red flag. Do not commit to women like these, they are good for short term fun only (and only when kept at a distance). They will be a huge source of drama but as long as you don't care about keeping them you can just shrug it off until it gets too annoying to keep seeing them.

ClimbingTehLadder · 2016-09-02T20:30:32+00:00

TIL the best way to filter out damaged goods is being nice.

rporion · 2016-09-02T20:43:02+00:00

I have to admit, that is the most long winded version of "ruined beyond repair" I have ever read.

VasiliyZaitzev · 2016-09-03T01:04:55+00:00

TL;DR: Every woman has a hamster and that hamster is retarded.

metallica11 · 2016-09-02T21:10:25+00:00

Wtf did I just read? Damaged goods everywhere.

I do know this, being labeled a unicorn nice guy and then properly fucking her and being dominant throws a huge fucking loop on her Brain.

solidsnork · 2016-09-02T23:53:29+00:00

All this shows is how broken and fucked up the current generation is. We all are just trying to scam each other. We are scamming women for pussy and they are scamming us for our resources. Our lifestyle encourages and rewards this behavior. That is how far we have fallen. We cannot even trust another person who shows us kindness without suspecting they are just as bad as we are.

stawek · 2016-09-02T21:05:41+00:00

Bullshit, all of it.

Nice men's problem is not that they are nice. They are simply unattractive. Her thinking doesn't go beyond that.

MattyAnon · 2016-09-02T20:54:51+00:00

Yeah, I'd say those things are truly how women feel.

But to say in the title that it's the nice-guys who are scary rather than her own feelings and hypocrisy is a hell of a stretch.

As usual, it's all men's fault. Even when he's perfect, it's still the man who is "scary AF".

Edited extras:

Universally women exhibit scepticism of men. If you're alpha, she doubts it and tests (shit-tests) it. If you're beta, she doubts it and test it (as per this article).

The point isn't that men are anything in particular, it's that women are negative, distrusting and wary no matter how good and how bad you are. In fact it's well worth coming across as not-all-that-great-really in order to not trigger her wariness in the first place (I do this a lot, intentionally, and it's very effective).

mojo_juju · 2016-09-03T02:40:15+00:00

This is a case of projection

Think about it in reverse. Put yourself in her shoes-- You're a man who is afraid of being deceived again.

Now look at this from that fresh perspective:

She recognizes she's a scammer, and yet she herself has been scammed.

And she doesn't want to be scammed again-- and she is trying to avoid scams. (in a sense she wants to avoid them. But in another sense, she is turned on by being scammed by someone more machiavellian than her [i.e. them-- females... scammers & machiavellian social engineers/artists at their core. Never trust them. Believe me-- they'll never trust you. Because they know how untrustworthy they themselves are, and project that on to others (Oh, if I'm this fucked up, I guess I better watch out b/c other people are too)]

That's all this is.

Projection-- She's scared of her reflection

Elfclan30 · 2016-09-02T20:40:37+00:00

he! cannot remember the post, but here there was a very insightful post about why women dont like nice guys TM. it was about love, they are afraid that the well being of a person, dreams and the guy's life are on her hands. it is scary even for men when the self esteem of a person is on you, when you do not respond for a couple of minutes that persons starts to sob and completely changes its behavior.

It went really deep, but I cannot recall the name of the post.

zarathustra91 · 2016-09-02T22:10:05+00:00

Problem with this is it divides guys into assholes and nice guys. But those aren't two different species of men; they're descriptions of two different ways of being treated. What the girl means is guys who put her on a pedestal and indulge her bullshit, and guys who don't. Even a white knight "nice guy" will be a dominant "asshole" to an ugly chick (unless he's trying to show off how nice he is).

DarkisKnight · 2016-09-02T22:13:44+00:00

Alpha-widow as defined by a woman.

JJMcgray · 2016-09-02T22:42:52+00:00

Solution: The moment you realize she is damaged, treat her like the dumpster she is and quickly move on.

She is not worth anything more than that.

A sidenote: The sad thing is, this is why dudes are assholes. If women put out for Beta nice guys, the go to pick up line at every club/bar would be to start a conversation about how faithful you are, and how you bought your ex a car. And women would rub up all over your tweed sweatervest and get the shivers.

Zinamam · 2016-09-03T01:42:28+00:00

I looked her up on google and it turns out she's 30 years old. How surprising.

chances_are_ur_a_fag · 2016-09-03T01:55:27+00:00

she literally describes a friend zoned guy that she's eventually going to settle for after all the "assholes" abandon her and move on. all her worries are in fact scary to her because "omg like i'm not getting these tingles i used to have when i dated these "asshole" guys wtf". its scary because she's realizing that mr nice guy won't excite her like the others did and settling down with someone like that for the long haul is pretty daunting.

check out this other piece by her. the hamster wheels keep on spinning

makechangegreatagain · 2016-09-02T22:25:17+00:00

Willing to bet that by "nice guy" they mean a guy that doesn't hold them to any standard or expectations. The "nice guy" that's super chill about letting them party and have sleepovers with their ex chads AKA a cuck.

These nice guys just let the woman act on her natural female hypergamous ways with no boundaries (hence "nice") while the alpha (asshole) will not be verbally indicative about boundaries, he'll dump a bitch that tries to pull the shit she pulls with a nice guy. Or put her in her place and let her know who calls the shots in the relationship.

Women loathe nice guys because they need masculine guidance to keep their head straight or else they spin so fast on the CC they wind up throwing up on themselves and damaged (given they're hot). It's like a 12 year old picking his own diet. If a 12 year old got to choose what they wanted to eat all the time, it would be pizza, ice-cream, mcdonalds, and mac and cheese. The 12 year old needs the adult to tell them to eat their broccoli and spinach or else they'll wind up being obese.

When women say "asshole" what they really mean is "guy who I'm sexually attracted to who doesn't let me do whatever I want all the time regardless of the fact that relationships have boundaries".. Except, more intelligent relationship-friendly women are less AWALT than this and can take a fucking hint that getting blackout drunk with Chad when BF ain't around probably isn't gonna do much good for the relationship.. Or keeping BF from fucking around with other girls.

This is just typical red flag click bait you see hoes in your Facebook network sharing.

Blaat1985 · 2016-09-02T21:22:36+00:00

The CC sure damages alot of women permanently...

Gman777 · 2016-09-02T23:02:33+00:00

Its interesting to meet a girl that was raised by a strong male father figure. They tend to steer clear of the assholes, because they have a greater sense of self worth and don't allow themselves to be taken for a ride.

If you've ever dated/ met a girl that's gone out with a bunch of nice guys first, then runs into an asshole, they often don't stand a chance.

...unless that asshole is really good looking. That tends to override everything (for both sexes), for a while at least.

tmptrp · 2016-09-02T23:49:53+00:00

Wow, where do I start?

First: This is the link to the original article: http://archive.is/Bllmj

Great find OP, this is pure gold.

I have read it very carefully, sure it's full of platitudes and cliché but it's not the elements that we are looking at, it's the arrangements of those elements; and - from my experience as a guy - I can vouch that this is a very pure and genuine statement.

I used to Mr. Nice Guy for a long time and long time ago; these days I practice TRP, not perfect but it's working for me; and there was a period of time between swallowing The Red Pill and getting the full effects where I was having issues maintaining TRP frame constantly for a very long time.

I once had a relationship that started as me pretty much TRP guy and then with time I caved into the Nice Guy paradigm and . . . she found ways to pin blames on me of all kinds and, to no surprise to anyone, she cheated on me with Chad the Bad Boy.

These days I am spinning 2 plates and I am doing OK with that, and both think that I am a Bad Boy enough to fulfill their kicks for danger and yet I am not that bad.

I stated this before and I will state it again, a woman needs BOTH the Nice guy for safety and comfort and also the danger of the bad boy, and the more the nice guy energy the more she can take of the bad boy; therefore the presence of the Nice Guy becomes the enabler for her to take the danger of the bad boy because she can seek comfort and sanity in the Nice Guy/Beta Bux.

TRP is a revelation.

logicalthinker1 · 2016-09-03T03:12:10+00:00

Girls don't consciously seek out bad guys because they like getting treated like crap. They seek them because they feel: "ummphh he's just so masculine! Look at how he just controls and leads everyone around him. And he's so big and strong... Mmmm I bet he would just use me in bed, etc."

The asshole part isn't sought after in and of itself. They are just so attracted by an alpha that a little asshole behavior isn't enough to turn them away. In fact, it might even ensure that he is alpha in their minds.

nu121x · 2016-09-03T22:15:42+00:00

I dated a super hot girl who had only dated gangsters or real estate guys. She had a lot of drug addictions, a LOT of game. She stripped and escorted. She knew how to use her pussy. She knew how to play men. She was a master of manipulation. Everything she said was a shit test that would somehow be referenced later. It was a mindfuck. Best sex of my life, though.

This girl was badly broken. Her father was an alcoholic biker who had run out on her when she was a child and her mom abused her (emotionally, physically, potentially sexually). She would always talk about her skittles man ex who had wasted 5 years of her life and alpha widowed her. I'm pretty sure she had BPD because she'd be fine one moment and then angry another. You'd never know when she'd blow up. She was very social and real easy to make friends with, but very hard to make a deep emotional connection with. Wasn't afraid of breaking your shit, making scenes or even getting physical. I kinda liked it, the drama made me feel alive.

I was her good guy. Every time we'd have a fight, she'd always resort to "I'm sorry I act like this I am just so used to dating assholes that always fuck me over." This one time she found a female sweater in my wardrobe and threw a fit, smashed shit. I called my mom on speaker so she would confirm it was hers. She calmed down, apologized and said, "Sorry, I'm not used to dating honest people."

Eventually I realized that it's not the fact that she wasn't used to dating nice people. It's the fact that she was the asshole and she was constantly projecting her own thoughts and feelings onto others. I remember this one time we were at a restaurant and I switched seats so she could have a better view of the seawall. She thought there was some ulterior motive to this and she said, "Maybe we should go to another restaurant. The bartenders are so fucking hot there." I thought about why she would say that and then I realized that there was a good looking girl sitting across from me. So, she thought that I had switched seats just so I could look at the girl and she wanted to "one up" me by saying that she wants to look at hot bartenders. So once again, she just projected her own manipulations onto me.

And that girl's behaviour is just a mirror of the OP's article: it's just a really broken, manipulative person projecting her feelings onto others.

BluepillProfessor · 2016-09-03T02:00:26+00:00

Nothing but hamster...all the way down.

slay_it_forward · 2016-09-03T09:19:38+00:00

Should of ended with, "and then you will cheat on the niceguy with an asshole while in Cancun".

PantsonFire1234 · 2016-09-03T12:41:41+00:00

Just the senseless ramblings of an Alpha Widowed low value bitch. The subtext behind this is simple, she gets no tingles from non-asshole boys.

Also this woman probably has zero idea where she stands in the looks department. Else all these 'assholes' wouldn't have pumped and dumped her.

The problem is more with her than with the guys.

favours_of_the_moon · 2016-09-03T16:28:18+00:00

Constantly waiting for sure to drop, suspecting of ulterior motive, "on guard waiting for asshole behavior," etc.

What a modern girl will do in this situation is passive aggressively press your emotional buttons until you walk away, raise your voice, express displeasure, etc. THEN she will turn the world against you...FOR BEING AN ASSHOLE.

You're not, but she WANTS you to be. Because her fundamental psychology is that of "Identification with the Aggressor." THAT, is why she feels involuntarily compelled to "self-destruct" the niceguy.

trippinallday · 2016-09-02T23:31:24+00:00

YOU THINK HIS KIND GESTURES HAVE AN ULTERIOR MOTIVE.

She isn't wrong haha. I've yet to meet a beta (or any male) who's nice to a women purely out of the goodness of his heart. No one's totally virtuous, even the uber-religious who go well out of their way to help people are only doing it because they think it's gonna benefit them once they die. There's a reason he's doing anything and everything to please you, it's how the brain works.

RedPillFreedom · 2016-09-02T19:42:37+00:00

After RP, to confirm I wasn't perceived as the beta from her perspective. I would have her tell me about the "nice guys". It really helped me see how nice guys are scary, creeper, stalkers. I loved how when she would correct me performing the same action like when I approached her as great because she was receptive vs beta eww go away.

I still enjoy girls telling me the stories because it really reinforces how much of a bitch i was. I remember all the dumb shit I would tell myself after the interactions. I'm grateful for RP because it's really helping me become a person that provides value vs taking it.

BTW, biggest change I fucking love it, when they call me an "Asshole". The smile on my face.

Edit: After all the horror stories girls have told me. I don't blame them for wanting the bad boys. I'd do the same. Nice guys are fucking crazy with their constant covert contracts. The beta males will use them on you as you become more RP as well. It's ridiculous.

randomdewd99 · 2016-09-03T01:51:00+00:00

Every point was exactly the same

dtfit · 2016-09-02T22:48:57+00:00

#1 Tingle factor lacking, the magnified ingredient of hollywood.

#2 is incredibly insightful, thank you.

#3-4, 6-7 support #2 for sure.

#5 LOL

#8 Like 5... the realization has sank deep but you still can't believe it because it's your first data point.

Beautiful post. #2 connects to a recurring idea, training and expectations which I think about a lot because of neural nets and self-training via CBT/OODA-style reprogramming and habituation. Women who mostly date nice guys can be happy with a nice guy, but women who mostly date selfish/abusive guys can be happy with those guys X% of the time but expect (100-X)% of craziness (that also gives tingles). A girl who's only known good relationships might not know such tingles but as a result doesn't require them (watch what happens when she gets them). But a chick used to hard tingles isn't going to feel stimulated by a nice guy, and as you say and new to me, EXPECT non-nice behavior at some point and be creeped out if it doesn't come. I can related as a specializez job seeker in an also bull market (I am as an employee similar to a woman in dating, expect certain minimum requirements/dysfunctions of any job).

aanarchist · 2016-09-03T13:09:51+00:00

i once dated a woman who had some serious baggage from a marriage and the relationship after that. she had the whole 9 yards, abusive father, infidelity and indifference in relationships, a rape i'm not sure wasn't actually just a drunk night of regret. at first she treated me like i was jesus, it was pretty nice. then she got insecure and tried to push me to become chad wifebeater. when that failed cuz i refuse to become my father, she tried to push me to become beta cucks. that failed too and i tried to explain to her why her behavior is self destructive and she'll never be happy until she lets go of all that poison she's been holding on, explaining to her the patterns of her behavior etc(she particularly liked early on how i knew a lot about her before she actually told me anything personal about herself), she got mad for me saying mean hateful shit and how i used to make her feel special etc. i left and she eventually found another dude and got pump and dumped by him. feelsbad. i feel like a lot of these women have become emotionally dependent on the demons of their past and on their own toxic lifestyle patterns, because they've never been anything else but a damaged woman, and to get rid of that persona would mean building herself up from scratch. personally i'd enjoy spending time with a woman like that but they don't really exist, and the older they get the harder it becomes to end the cycle of destruction. it's a shame cuz women in their natural state are pretty awesome, just when they let that poison corrupt them they become these sickly monsters.

Stythe · 2016-09-03T19:42:20+00:00

9: You never know how he'll react when your constant nagging, bitching, blaming, projecting and assuming will make him snap

10: You get bored because HE JUST WON'T GET MAD AT YOU FOR ACTING LIKE A TWAT WTF!?!?

11: You just keep watching him and never look at yourself and your actions so it's all his fault. Eventually he will turn into an asshole anyway so why wouldn't it be?

12: Shit, I probably shouldn't have put my pussy on a silver plate at a buffet of horny assholes and had all that sausage for dinner. Every night. Forever. It's all their fault. Wah wah wah tears cry boo hoo men are the worst.

LukesLikeIt · 2016-09-05T03:07:36+00:00

The word "nice" is a misnomer. Women get privileged treatment from men cause they want to fuck them. When a guy comes along who won't bow before their whim they label him as an "asshole". Shit testing is just them testing to see whether you will lead them or follow. Girls chase "assholes" because they are leaders. If all the actual nice guys just stood up for themselves true dickheads would get no pussy. It's just there are not many men who have both the nice and alpha traits and therefore women pick the second best option. The alpha asshole.

PM_ME_YOUR_AVGAS · 2016-09-03T14:51:21+00:00

Aw, poor girl, well she could run back into the safe, strong arms of Chad who can protect her from scary beta.

redpillnexus · 2016-09-02T22:14:52+00:00

I know this is supposed to be some sort of clever sarcasm (as if women are capable of that), but its verbatim just saying AFBB in a Facebook post.

Osoto_Gari · 2016-09-02T23:07:51+00:00

Wow - she's definitely going to struggle to obtain a healthy relationship. I hope the CC ride was worth it

Jax77789 · 2016-09-03T22:14:41+00:00

Well are the chads really that numerous IRL ? Seriously when you read this you would think that assholish Alphas are all they have ever known.

I am sure 95% of these men she called "assholes" or "dicks" were simply cool attractive dudes with a modicum of game and social validation who just could not satisfy her unrealistic expectations or simply had the common sense to not put up with her insufferable bullshit.

2016-09-02T20:17:05+00:00

what a bunch of bullshit lol.

ecosci · 2016-09-02T21:27:55+00:00

Women never stop wanting alpha cock the nice guy doesnt scare them until she finds out he has been seeking advice from forums such as redpill and mgtow because it pulls the cover off of her manipulation and mating strategy dont ever be fooled by women wanting a nice guy its alpha allday and forever even during her sexless boring beta marriage.

thecajunone · 2016-09-02T21:56:52+00:00

Lol women are so fucked in the head from dealing with each other.

awalt_cupcake · 2016-09-02T23:29:05+00:00

This is complete hamstering garbage. Ignore what they say. Watch what they do.

If the 'bad behavior' lurking around the corner was 'sooo scary' why do they fuck these guys who are upfront with their shit behavior?

Because they like guys who put them in their place and wake them the fuck up that they aren't special.

devilabit · 2016-09-03T09:00:28+00:00

A lot of the messed up chicks go out with assholes, when they meet you (a normal guy) it's like a revelation to them, it's as she says a shock to the system .

You do have to ride them like shedevils though and make sure you never make love! So normal charming you by day, their cock dictator by night !!

Jewdius_Maximus · 2016-09-03T12:15:57+00:00

Good lord this woman is the definition of broken.

Hith_Ransir · 2016-09-03T15:22:43+00:00

Wow, i felt the exact same, just about women.

arrayay · 2016-09-03T17:04:02+00:00

Lol, what a dumb bitch. I see a happy successful life on her future. Hahaha

itsawomensworld · 2016-09-03T17:56:24+00:00

Never read a women's opinion or perspective on men. It's a waste of time.

MrChadthunderc0ck · 2016-09-04T03:55:15+00:00

Oh man they got you. They always say half truths as usual so this shit doesn't apply if they like you off the first half. Sounds like it was written for a good looking nice guy not the submissive one she falls back to when she's been run through.

oggurt · 2016-09-04T13:47:22+00:00

I love how you put her actual name up too.. lol

JackJohnsonJohnMayer · 2016-09-04T21:03:59+00:00

Alpha widow, used goods, seconds. Used up and broken.

AFPJ · 2016-09-05T16:37:07+00:00

I love how this is being analyzed as if there is any truth to any of it. Sometimes things are just bullshit. Likes and shareability relates to the polarizing emotional content of something rather than the amount of truth, if any, in it.

Bluetinfoilhat · 2016-09-06T16:48:35+00:00

It is emotionally draining to be around someone who is acting servile to you. Women aren't against men that might do a favor here and there or will compliment them here or there. But when it is excessive, it comes across as pushy. Like your mother cleaning up your house and in all your business even when you tell them to stop int he most polite way in order to not hurt their feelings.

Also it shows signs of a potential stalker. Imagine dating a girl and she is talking about marriage and children and meeting the parents within one month or less. It is scary.

Red_Brain · 2016-09-30T08:12:06+00:00

All of this sounds like an excuse to be a cold indifferent bitch, but that a real nice guy would wait. Honestly doesn't read like its for chicks, what type of bp propaganda is this?

MOCKxTHExCROSS · 2016-09-03T16:46:37+00:00

YOU THINK HIS KIND GESTURES HAVE AN ULTERIOR MOTIVE. When the nice guy does something, well, nice, you can’t help but cock your head to the side a little and wonder what he actually wants in return for this foreign act of kindness. Is he just trying to get in your pants? Is this some type of acid trip? Is he actually human? WTF!

But they do. Most "Nice Guys" are being nice because they are creating a covert contract. They think they will be rewarded later for their nice behavior. If they are not rewarded, they will flip out and exhibit passive-aggressive behavior. See:

YOU’RE CONSTANTLY WAITING FOR THE OTHER SHOE TO DROP. When you’re used to assholes and finally meet a guy who’s truly kind, you’re always waiting and assuming that there’s some dark secret or shitty behavior is just around the corner. It gets scarier as things progress too. Basically, dating a nice guy after a bunch of assholes is kind of like watching a horror movie — the gloomy music chimes hard and you’re waiting for the killer to jump out at any given moment, but then you realize you’re actually just watching a Disney movie and there’s nothing scary about it at all.

Womans perspective - Why Beta Guys are Actually Scary AF When You're Use To Dating Bad Guys

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First and foremost: RP for men is about finding yourself, and through this journey gaining self-confidence.

This is a case of projection

Projection-- She's scared of her reflection

Title	Womans perspective - Why Beta Guys are Actually Scary AF When You're Use To Dating Bad Guys
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Date	September 2, 2016 7:21 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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