Friend Zone [xpost from TwoXChromosomes]

RyanFuller003 · 2012-01-11T19:57:13+00:00

While it's an interesting take through a different lens, I don't think anyone who's been friendzoned actually considers being nice to a girl or offering emotional support to be a way of manipulating women into sleeping with them. And they shouldn't. They're not doing it just to bang the girl, they're doing it because they like them and just don't have the courage or acumen to express their feelings.

respectminivinny · 2012-01-11T21:52:34+00:00

I really really hate this shit.
Let's start with this "Don't forget the guys who totally misrepresent their intentions towards girls and try to use emotional manipulation and a facade of friendship as an excuse to get closer to and score with them"
This is the assumption I hate.
Are there guys out there that do this? Yes. Is this every friend-zoned guy out there? No.
Don't assume that because a guy is friend-zoned that he objectifies women and is only thinking about sleeping with them. If this woman is with a "jerk", "asshole", guy "who'll mistreat them, talk down to them, cheat on them and completely neglect their feelings" do you think it might be possible that she is doing whatever she can to score with this guy?
Is it so hard to believe that women have hormones and want sex just like guys do?
Is it so hard to believe that there are women out there that will manipulate men to have sex?

This is a fucking two-way street here. Some men are assholes, some are not. Some women are assholes, some are not.
Shit like this undermines any man who is in this situation and doesn't teach them anything. The only good thing about this comic is this bit of dialog:
AFC: blah blah blah and she started seeing him. Know why?
Friend: Because he actually asked her out?

That is the only useful bit of information in this entire comic.
There are plenty of frustrated guys out there, who have the wrong approach but the best intentions. Guys who are being themselves which is that nice guy that wants to do anything for you and listens to everything you say.
I hate this because it makes everything center around sex and makes the guy look like a creep/pervert for something he didn't actually say or do.

Whisper · 2012-01-11T20:08:41+00:00

No.

Trying to seduce a women by being nice and compliant and giving isn't "manipulation" any more than seddit's bag of tricks is. Both are attempts at persuasion, not a means of deception.

The real difference is that the second one works, and the first one doesn't.

asad16 · 2012-01-11T20:29:06+00:00

can these friendzone posts end? you should have learned this problem the first day of reading seduction. hell you should have learned this the first time you got burned. all i see on reddit is the EXACT same concept posting about the friendzone. stop complaining about this shit and do something about it. go read the sidebar instead of posting here agreeing/disagreeing with such a trivial concept

Lampshader · 2012-01-11T20:23:35+00:00

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Vilyamar · 2012-01-11T21:21:55+00:00

NB: This is taken from [www.somethingpositive.net](www.somethingpositive.net) and is totally worth supporting (rather than just going to imgur).

cryer · 2012-01-12T00:18:59+00:00

Notice also how the 'asshole' guy is drawn in a much more stereotypically handsome way than 'nice' guy. Hm.

brygphilomena · 2012-01-11T21:46:28+00:00

I hate this whole "I'm stuck in the friendzone" crap. It's not friendzone that you have an issue with, its one-itis.

Am I in the friendzone with a couple people? Yea, but at least I made a move and it didn't work out.

And I enjoy being their friend. It's someone else I can go out with, have fun with, and meet people through.

hipsta-smasha · 2012-01-12T01:38:53+00:00

Everyone here needs to read the comments in twoXchromosomes:

http://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/obpos/the_friend_zone_hopefully_not_violating_any_tos/

I think the current top post basically sums up the truth of this. We need to stop generalizing.

hipsta-smasha · 2012-01-12T01:26:43+00:00

First off, I'm actually quite offended by this comic. It lumps in true "nice guys" with the kids I knew in high school and college that I can only describe as "weird." No true "nice guy" is expecting due payout of sex from being nice to a girl...

I think most peoples problem here is that we treat women as being so fundamentally different from men. Of course there are differences, both in nature and nurture, but there are also plenty of similarities in core motive.

Fact of the matter is that some girls do actually go for the "jerks". Why? They are aggressive, get what they want, and are "hot" both physically and socially. These characteristics are simply some of the qualities that are immediately attractive to some women. But not all men who exhibit these traits are "jerks." There are plenty of men that I know what are aggressive and socially powerful, and are also wonderful human beings. Being a "jerk" is an easy way for men to appear to have these qualities, and some women fall for it. Blame low self-esteem and society for this. But then you have to ask yourself if you're really interested in girls like this anyways? If you're not masochistic, then the answer is probably no.

If are surrounded by immature people and immature women, then its very hard to find someone who isn't mainly concerned with social status. You will constantly feel pressured to become that "jerk" or die a "nice guy" virgin. That dichotomy just isn't real. You can still be a "nice guy", as long as you simply borrow the "pussy wetting" qualities of the "jerk." There are girls out there who want to want to be with actual "nice guys"

Level_75_Zapdos · 2012-01-11T20:14:23+00:00

Can we please (and I mean all of reddit, not just seddit) stop talking about the stupid "friend zone?"

Dr_Colossus · 2012-01-11T20:56:27+00:00

The only thing I hate about the friend zone posts is that they don't help with girls that have put me in the friend zone in the past. All you can do is stop communicating with them. The next time you run into them in person, act completely different.

huyvanbin · 2012-01-12T02:13:11+00:00

If you already talk to her on a regular basis, how is that distinct from "asking her out"?

_valtiel_ · 2012-01-12T04:15:43+00:00

What I learned is any publicity is good publicity. If more girls complain about how much of a dick you are. You're doing something right.

tehjocker · 2012-01-12T04:30:52+00:00

I don't think nice guys or former nice guys have to feel so guilty about having a "wrong" frame of mind in approaching girls. Almost all of what here are referred to as "nice guys" are not behaving that way because they seek to manipulate. Yes, their way of thinking won't help them get the girl they really want, but it's because of all their past history and what a mix of society and their predispositions tell them they are. They just need to break out of the mold. I find rhetoric as exemplified in the comic to be pretty mean-spirited. Will ridicule help them break the mold and be their true masculine selves? Maybe, but I think there are other ways that don't involve such pride in not being a "nice guy".

Just be yourself and don't beat yourself up.

MockingDead · 2012-01-12T06:36:18+00:00

Yeah. My dad taught me to be the nice guy. So did my mom. I thought it was the right thing to do to date people. But my success was not due to that, it was due to me constantly ignoring their advances and being a fun artist guy.

oreopimp · 2012-01-12T13:41:47+00:00

Girls tell you what they think they want. But Im going to let you in on a little secret...

...even if they truly want the things they think they want, *they only want them from a guy on their sexual radar. They want them (but don't need them) from a guy that is already capable of pushing their buttons the way they like and respond to. *

koviko · 2012-01-11T19:37:09+00:00

Oh, wow. It took me a second to get the joke in the last frame because the silhouettes made it hard to determine who was who.

For anyone that doesn't understand it, the left-side comment in the last frame is from the brown-haired, rational guy.

dj_bizarro · 2012-01-12T03:30:11+00:00

There is too many bullshit posts here to debate everybody so ill just say it. You guys sound like pussies. Man the fuck up.

This story is completely accurate. A few posts here have said how they thought that being a friend first would make them sexier to chicks... That is precisely what is being described in this comic. Being honest and open with your wants and intentions saves everybody the time of playing that childish game and is usually what gets the girl. Being fake and biting your tongue to get the girl to pity fuck you is not seduction, its not manly its what little pussies do, and if you're trying to defend that behavior then you need seddit more than seddit needs you.

Title	Friend Zone [xpost from TwoXChromosomes]
Author	redrabatabador
Upvotes	300
Comments	106
Date	January 11, 2012 2:31 PM UTC (14 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/seduction
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/occxp/friend_zone_xpost_from_twoxchromosomes/
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