Pushing Kids Into Transgenderism Is Medical Malpractice

NapkinZhangy · 2016-09-23T05:45:50+00:00

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sillymod · 2016-09-23T17:23:33+00:00

As always, controversial issues get heavily reported.

I want to remind people that the PRESENCE OF IDEAS YOU DISAGREE WITH IS NOT A VALID REASON TO REMOVE THOSE IDEAS FROM YOUR PRESENCE.

You can remove them if you don't want to see them by clicking the HIDE link.

But controversial issues need to be discussed, and if you disagree with a perspective THEN YOUR VOICE MATTERS.

Convince people that they are wrong for believing a certain way, rather than try to silence them.

Underwater_Karma · 2016-09-23T18:27:07+00:00

It seems like we're being told "genitals don't define you" and simultaneously "genitals so thoroughly define you that surgery is the only answer".

PyroSpark · 2016-09-23T11:34:30+00:00

Okay are they really "pushing" the thought that kids might be trans, or just teaching them about it?...

moxiebaseball · 2016-09-23T13:21:37+00:00

There was a case of identical twin boys and one had a botched circumcision (also a men's rights issue) that mutilated his genitals. There was a doctor who felt it was the ideal experiment to test his theory that gender is learned. Needless to say the boy raised as a girl had real issues and eventually was able to live as the male he was but tragically ended up committing suicide. That's the most outrageous malpractice.

edit: for those curious https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer Also truthfully gender dysphoria does exist with some kids and those individuals should have the right to appropriate treatment.

purpleblossom · 2016-09-23T18:41:08+00:00

I feel there is a big difference between pushing a kid into being trans and helping kids who, like myself, are trans into medically transitioning at the onset of puberty, never before of course.

For myself, I know I would have wanted to medically transition, even if that only meant hormone blockers at first, but not before puberty, and with those treatments even more accessible than when I was young, it's even more important to not let that accessibility blind anyone to thinking that it means those treatments need to be used. With my case, I was experiencing gender dysphoria before puberty because I knew what would happen, but that didn't mean I needed treatment until it actually happened.

To do these things to kids before they have reached puberty, the time in which is clearest on if said kid is or isn't trans, is wrong, and even then, should wait at least a year or so into puberty just to be sure.

heimdahl81 · 2016-09-23T20:04:39+00:00

We have known changing genders leads to suicides from reports in the late 1970s that provide a telltale glimpse into the consequences of ignoring the science. Endocrinologist Dr. Charles Ihlenfeld warned about the suicides and unhappiness of transgender clients based on his experience treating more than 500 transgender patients with hormones over a six-year period at colleague Dr. Harry Benjamin’s gender clinic.

The author is confusing cause and effect here. Suicide rates for transgender people are higher when they are not allowed to transition than when they are. In either case it is higher than the baseline population rates, but the former is definitively worse.

But really put yourself in their shoes for a minute. Imagine your brain is screaming at you that your body is wrong. Modern medicine and psychotherapy cannot change this fact. There is no treatment for the brain, only the body. So you take hormones and get surgeries trying to make your body match the way your brain feels it should. Trying to reach what feels normal to you. Maybe you make it after years of trying and you can finally feel content just being in your own body. Then again maybe you don't "pass" well enough and you have people constantly reminding you that you are a failure at being the gender your brain tells you to be. Maybe you lose hope that you ever will and decide a lifetime of living in the wrong body is too much and decide to end it.

Getting a doctor to agree to transitioning isn't easy, especially with younger people. It takes a lot of therapy sessions to narrow down the problem and get the doctor to agree to a solution. Some people lie to themselves and their doctors and take this path when it is not right for them, but that is the minority. Past sexual abuse in particular complicates things as this can cause serious body issues and intense discomfort surrounding your sexuality. It should be no secret that this country desperately needs a better mental healthcare system and some people transitioning when it is not the best for them is a symptom of this. For most though, it is the option that does the least harm.

blkarcher77 · 2016-09-23T22:34:53+00:00

Remember that time where they did a social experiment, and raised a boy as a girl, and then he later blew his goddamn brains out?

Good times

2016-09-23T11:21:14+00:00

Doesn't this go both ways, not just men?

themattpete · 2016-09-23T17:17:54+00:00

I hate that there are people out there that think their genitals decide who they are. Fuck anyone who tells insecure people that they need to take drugs and cut their wiener off to "fix" a body that is "wrong" for them.

Trash_Golem · 2016-09-23T17:58:43+00:00

I know this is kind of a fringe piece, but it does give you a look into the other side of the trans rights issue. At this point, if I were a doctor, I'd be tempted to just turn away young transgendered patients. It seems like a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" type situation.

Give out hormones or perform surgeries, and I'm doing unneeded, permanently damaging work while enabling a false political movement. Don't do it, and I'm cruelly turning away somebody with a legitimate medical need out of personal bigotry.

I really respect doctors, not only for their expertise, but also for having to regularly make and live with these types of decisions. They often seem to find themselves at the focal point of our society's most divisive and nasty issues.

ruler_gurl · 2016-09-23T14:00:02+00:00

If it's such a problem why aren't there small armies of disaffected, angry, ex-transgender people out there locking arms with Walt Heyer against the transgender medical complex? Instead it's just this sad sack who is still unable to fess up to the fact that he shortchanged himself by failing to be honest with his Drs so that they would have addressed his other undiagnosed mental problems. No one is pushing people into transition. If anything the opposite is typically true.

The first medically assisted transition in the US was 1952 and many thousands have walked down the same road as this guy. If his dire predictions had a grain of truth behind them, then he'd have a lot more company on his bully pulpit. Where are they?

myevillaugh · 2016-09-23T12:56:33+00:00

Seriously? That is such a homophobic article. “LGBT agenda"? If this is where this sub is headed, I'm getting off ASAP.

franklindeer · 2016-09-23T04:56:54+00:00

Not really a men's rights issue.

2016-09-23T23:53:49+00:00

There ought to be a classification of crime parallel to malpractice, but for teachers who cause harm in their practice.

romulusnr · 2016-09-23T18:32:58+00:00

Aside from being patently traditionalist pap, I fail to see how it is even remotely relevant to the topic of this sub... And moreover, how it continues to taint egalitarianism just by promoting it within here. It smacks rather redpilly.

zutonofgoth · 2016-09-23T11:41:48+00:00

I friends child is transitioning from boy to girl. They are the perfect family, a family just like any oyher family you know. When i first met her she behaved like a girl and it was just strange. The way she carried herself and the way she played. It almost made sence when she went to her parents and discussed it with them trasitioning. She new more than her parents about it. Now i gaurentee you would never pick her past life. The kids at her school are very accepting. It is not malpractice... it is just life. Now we can do something about it.

2016-09-23T21:04:59+00:00

If they want to be laughed at, then let them.

Kizrock94 · 2016-09-24T06:44:13+00:00

I'm fine with people being who they are, but pushing for who they are not is way out of line now

WhatIsTheMaximumLeng · 2016-09-23T12:26:08+00:00

Its bullshit articles like this being upvoted, that this sub has such a trashy reputation.

Tried it for a few days, hasn't improved a bit. I'm out (again).

LiteraryIdiot · 2016-09-23T15:16:45+00:00

I'm really glad to see this article with support. I feel as if it boils down to the topic of "over-diagnosis" which is already commonly debated in the medical field - but somehow a taboo topic when it comes to transgender matters.

As for my story - I am a female, but spent most of my teen years wishing I was a boy - even dressing the part and using makeshift 'prosthetics' in private. My parents didn't scold me or discourage it - they somewhat ignored it (not in a dismissive way, but in a 'nothing odd here' way). Now (from a selfish standpoint), I am frequently grateful that transgender was not a widely accepted concept when I was a teen. Even a well meaning, overly supportive Dr. may have pushed me (very susceptible to suggestion) into a decision I was not ready to make; and would have regretted. I worry about teens like myself, and how they will be effected by this in another 5-10 years. (Don't get me wrong, I support the trans community, I just want to be sure people are making the right choice)

Now, for the MRA aspect of this - I really do think that this effects males more often. I remember watching a Docu on trans kids. If I recall right, it involved Jazz. Now even though she made her decision so young, it seems to fit her. What concerned me was another child, born male that it didn't seem to fit (in my opinion). His father was deployed(?)- Basically he only had female role models, and a baby sister. His pediatrician "diagnosed" him transgender after he was observed trying to breastfeed a baby doll. Seeing this kid living as a girl, nearing her teen years... I don't know, The poor child didn't have the conviction that many have but was still being pushed to live this way (Even when asked it was more of a shrug and 'I guess so'). It felt like a subtle brainwashing was going on from a young age. Really - do you think at the age of 3 or so he understood only females breastfeed? Just because a young boy wants to copy mom and wear her heels/jewelry/makeup or whatnot doesn't mean jack squat. So what if a boy love glitter or tutus? That stuff is fun, and its not until adults assign genders to that stuff that it means anything. If girls turn to "masculint" things its because they'er strong, diversified, or a tomboy - which is cool.

I'll try to find the link after work, but I feel as if that childs experience is a good example of the topic at hand. (Granted, you never know the hidden agenda of any documentary so I treat most of them more as anecdotes than fact.)

2016-09-23T15:18:39+00:00

Check out r/genderqueer, alot of confused kids there complain about making mistakes of transitioning

zach_chris12 · 2016-09-23T14:22:43+00:00

Thank you for posting this!

predalienmack · 2016-09-23T10:17:49+00:00

transgender people pay taxes and vote, so their agenda can be represented in schools as a part of sex education. proportionally to the people who are not transgender. so out of the sex ed classes, they should dedicate about half a second to the topic to proportionally represent the minority. just long enough to say "faggot" - and by that I don't mean gay.

orcscorper · 2016-09-23T21:56:11+00:00

This article is shit. The author claims he was indoctrinated into cross-dressing at the age of four, with his grandmother? Maaaybe not the best person to comment on transgender issues. I think he may have some issues of his own to work out, and this is not the best way to go about it. Then he went on an extended rant against lobotomies, apparently to show that surgical solutions to mental disorders are very bad.

Phototoxin · 2016-09-23T16:14:55+00:00

Next week I start in an all girls school... oh sorry all-pupil school. That makes no sense though..... dragged away by the PC police

xCAPTAINxTEXASx · 2016-09-23T19:29:50+00:00

Also, just stupid

oO0-__-0Oo · 2016-09-23T15:22:05+00:00

I 100% agree, and it has become startlingly common for both greedy doctors (mostly surgeons) to do this, and for laypeople to pressure children into it (and "transgenderism" in general).

Title	Pushing Kids Into Transgenderism Is Medical Malpractice
Author	DougDante
Upvotes	1121
Comments	215
Date	September 23, 2016 3:32 AM UTC (9 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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