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[–][deleted] 121 points122 points123 points 8 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Pretty sure almost all fathers are male, dude
[–]ObsidianOne 31 points32 points33 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Did you just assume their gender?!
[–]Oz70NYC 25 points26 points27 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Pretty sure the "male or female" indocates the children's gender in the statement, not the father.
[–][deleted] 25 points26 points27 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes, I was kidding
[–]MadeSomewhereElse 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
triggered
[+]Neutral_User_Name -12 points-11 points-10 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
try again: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/cass-clemmer-trans-periods_us_597101bce4b0aa14ea78a251
[–]Panel2468975 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
To be fair, that would still be 'almost all'.
[–]MyNameIsSaifa 13 points14 points15 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yep, an anecdote relying on pseudoscience and acceptance of mental illness as fact from the huffington post of all places proves he's wrong.
To be a father you must be biologically male. The thing you're conflating is father figure.
[–]Occasional_it_guy 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It's a joke, no one should ever link Huffington post seriously
[–]Aivias 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Did you read the "debunking" articles on the Google memo?
They were linking to HuffPaint, Slate, Business Insider and Quora as 'valid and trusted scientific sources'...
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
try again
So much self-righteousness in those two words :P
[–]IparryU 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I don't sense any /s sadly...
[–]Neutral_User_Name 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It was total /s... sadly. Yet another proof irony does not exist on the web.
[–]IparryU 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Maybe too many Americans reading? We don't do irony as well as the Brits do.
[–]wiseprogressivethink 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not sure if serious...
EDIT: Oh, you meant regardless of whether or not the child is male or female...okay then, never mind!
[–][deleted] 66 points67 points68 points 8 years ago (177 children) | Copy Link
It's absolutely crucial in a kids life. That's why there's so much crime in the black community, the majority of the father's leave their family.
[–]crab90000 60 points61 points62 points 8 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
Its not the black community, its the low income households that are predominantly in cities. My white aunt has this problem with her son right now. Just because a large number of citizens in those cities are black, does not make it a black community problem, its a low income problem.
[–]ATXBeermaker 22 points23 points24 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Not to mention that a lot of the reason that fathers are not around is because of the high rates of poverty to begin with. Incarceration rates, joblessness, lack of quality education, etc. It's all part of the problem. And it's a cyclical.
[–]Demonspawn 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And all the government benefits the mother can't receive if the father is around.
That's one of the reasons Bureaugamy is the #1 MRM issue.
[–]crab90000 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not only is the education very low on quality, the dropout rates are mind-boggling, especially for single parent households. What gets done when kids arent in school and have no supervision? Its just a downward spiral. Even though I did my final project in school last year on complete school reform, I will not deny its good impacts on kids development into social and problem solving skills. If the cities would fund schools better and give kids what they need to succeed, most of these problems would go away with time. Ive been lucky to live in the best districts in my states, it always makes me think how I could've turned out if I never moved.
[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Statistically they have a MUCH bigger problem than anyone else.
huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/26/black-single-mothers-biggest-impediment_n_3818824.html
[–]SurturOfMuspelheim 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Black people are also among the poorest group in the US... so...
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
What the fuck does that have to do with single mothers? Being poor is a good enough reason to abandon their kids? Do you even realize how stupid you sound?
[–]SurturOfMuspelheim 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
What? I never said that? Are you... like.. actually autistic? Holy shit. Being poor = not having money for shit. Fathers typically go to crime, which leads to jail or life in gangs or both. Cannot be there for your son while doing those.
Pull the stick out of your ass, mate.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Being poor only leads to crime if you're a piece of shit, mate.
[–]SurturOfMuspelheim 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Right. Do you feed your son and rob that corner store, or let your son go hungry? Do you join that gang and run coke or let your daughter go homeless and hungry?
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It's the United States, no one goes hungry. They give out food money for families that can't afford it. They give out way too much actually, I know people on it, they eat way better than most people. People in America don't have to worry about food, how about you talk about things you know instead of being a dumb douche... Mate.
[–]Marenjii 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I don't know about you, and maybe I'm a piece of shit for it. But I'd steal food if I was poor and hungry.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
People get free food in America of your can't afford it.
[–]SleepyMcLesbo 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
People who commit crimes aren't going around stealing food so they can eat. Stop watching Aladdin. (Just kidding keep watching it Aladdin is awesome.)
[–]ifallalot 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And that low income problem is related to the welfare payment structure. Mothers get more money if the father is not in the picture
[–]ThelemaAndLouise 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
it's a low income problem, but white people are catching up to blacks because welfare that incentivizes single motherhood originally targeted the black community.
[–]-SPADED- -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's not a cut and dry low income problem. Poorest part of America is in the Appalachian mnts, low crime. Great depression left most the country in extreme poverty and violent crime didn't really change. Destroying the family, destroying culture, destroying values creates crime. Criminal neighborhoods don't get businesses and jobs moving into them, folks with a record of crime can't find work. Criminal activity either by you, or just in your neighborhood or sub culture is a deterrent to opportunity. Crime causes poverty.
[–]gleeble 71 points72 points73 points 8 years ago (75 children) | Copy Link
Well, that didn't take long.
[–][deleted] 71 points72 points73 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
If it's any consolation, single parenthood is also a huge problem in the white community.
Honestly, I get where you're coming from with your post but we've got to get better at talking about issues in the black community without everybody getting uncomfortable. The majority of black children are now raised into single-parent households, this is not okay and children are suffering because of it.
[–]Fwob 14 points15 points16 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
STOP you're going to hurt someones feelings! Let's just continue humming loudly with our fingers in our ears until the problem goes away.
[–]-SPADED- 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Also a black kid has about an equal chance of being aborted as it does to being born. Thats depressing as shit.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, I'm a pro-life conservative and I don't really tend to touch abortion outside of particular subs on reddit, but the black community in particular has been heavily damaged by abortion and the welfare state, along with the culture that fosters the attitude that degrades the value of fatherhood. I can't remember the specific stat or year, but it was floating around on one of my podcasts that there were more black babies aborted in New York state than black babies that were born in one particular year.
[–]-SPADED- 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Also Margret thatcher helped push abortion for the sole purpose of cutting down the number of blacks and minorities. There are some horrible quotes of hers the Dems ignore and still champion her as some sort of women's rights superhero
Oh yeah, she was like "Hitler Level" eugenics. She definitely hated blacks but she also didn't want poor white trash people having babies either. The fact they give out awards in her name is beyond reason.
[–][deleted] 26 points27 points28 points 8 years ago (65 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, people hate hearing the truth.
[–]Loretenton 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
not all peaope, dude :)
[–]ATXBeermaker -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (63 children) | Copy Link
No, people hate hearing incredibly simplified versions of something that resembles the truth.
[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 8 years ago (62 children) | Copy Link
Prove me wrong then. Besides, just because it's a complicated problem it doesn't mean it doesn't have a simple answer. It would improve wealth, education, and accountability in kids. That alone would be huge.
But it's ok, some people would rather pretend that a problem doesn't exist so they don't have to fix it.
[–]ATXBeermaker -5 points-4 points-3 points 8 years ago (61 children) | Copy Link
Prove me wrong then.
You'd have to be open-minded to the fact that it's a cyclical problem whereby the lack of wealth, education, and decent jobs results in a lack of accountability. Rinse and repeat generation after generation.
[–][deleted] 16 points17 points18 points 8 years ago (28 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, but I just told you that having a father increases wealth for the family, add accountability, and gives kids additional moral support. How are you not getting this? It's been proven over and over that having a father in the house increases the chances of a kids being successful by several factors.
Unless you're being ignorant on purpose to troll? It's either that or you lack the ability to use Google to do even a basic search on the subject.
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[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
The obvious answer floats in front of your face, ignored so you can ask the stupid question; No, at least a decent father.
[–]ThelemaAndLouise 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
statistically speaking: yes. look at the stats.
[+][deleted] 8 years ago (31 children) | Copy Link
[–]Weikert 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (26 children) | Copy Link
Is it because of skin color or the fact that more of them are breaking the law?
[–]marymurrah -4 points-3 points-2 points 8 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link
lmfao ignorant - black people are arrested at disproportionate rates for crimes that whites also commit at equal rates. Drug crimes are not committed by any demographic more so than another, it's just that only black people are arrested for them. source: DoJ rulings, personal experience watching white men commit drug crimes with zero repercussions
[–]bodagetbobsaget 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Just don't do drugs...problem solved.
[–]Carb-inator-4 points 8 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
Or just don't be black and do drugs...white people have similar usage rates and are arrested and jailed far less for the same crime.
[–]ATXBeermaker 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yup. Incarceration rates are also a huge factor.
[–]MyNameIsSaifa 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
http://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/107-children-in-single-parent-families-by-race?loc=1&loct=2#ranking/2/any/true/573/10/431
Not racism if it's true.
EDIT: Didn't read the part about causal link between crime and fatherlessness, OP doesn't know what he's talking about.
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[–]MyNameIsSaifa 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I take an interest in global politics, particularly Western politics. The cognitive dissonance and willful blindness to fact that some people have in America is of interest to me.
Also, that's really fucking creepy.
[+]SharkGlue -15 points-14 points-13 points 8 years ago (82 children) | Copy Link
That's a gross oversimplification. Single parents can be just as good as acouple.
[–][deleted] 41 points42 points43 points 8 years ago (53 children) | Copy Link
I can't think of a case where a single parent is better for kids than parents in a strong, healthy relationship.
[–]SharkGlue 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (52 children) | Copy Link
This assumes a good relationship is an option.
Single parents have it harder but can be just as good. Quality over quanity.
[–][deleted] 19 points20 points21 points 8 years ago (51 children) | Copy Link
Strongly disagree, women teach feminine behavior subconsciously and men teach manly behavior subconsciously in most situations. You need both parents to be able to get a good perspective. Not to mention constantly being exposed to a healthy relationship.
Single parents will never be positively comparable to a healthy two parent household.
[+]SharkGlue -14 points-13 points-12 points 8 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
Binary gender roles. Really?
What does that even have to do with raising a good?
[–][deleted] 26 points27 points28 points 8 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Yes, gender roles exist for a reason. Men excel where women don't and vice versa. Men are better at being assertive and making decisions, women are better at being nurturing.
The number one trait people in prison share is being fatherless.
Single parenting is an epidemic, not a positive thing at all. Stop romanticizing it.
[+]SharkGlue -7 points-6 points-5 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Ok. Guess I'll tell all those victims of abuse how shit they are for leaving their abuser.
[–][deleted] 16 points17 points18 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Oh fuck off, obviously there are exceptions you retard lmao. What is it with people and resorting to the "okay I guess all those 1% of people don't fall into your generalization, but I'm gonna make a snarky point about it and pretend I'm right" arguments?
Nobody is condoning abuse, but I'm not going to make generalized points and cater to the 1% of relationships where it doesn't apply.
[–]NebulousASK 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No, a victim of abuse should leave their abuser.
And, for the benefit of their child as well as their own long-term well-being, they should find a supportive partner who is not an abuser. They should not stay single.
Single parenting isn't good for the parent or the child.
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[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
It's not a matter of "most", it's a matter of significant statistical deviation between two groups. Single parent raised children do, statistically, significantly worse than children raised by a mother and a father.
Considering the single most common factor between prison inmates is not having a father I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's important to have a male role model.
But to answer your question more directly, you're not wrong that there are other factors but that doesn't take away from the importance of my point, which is that single parenting has measurable consistent detrimental effects even when we control for other factors such as poverty.
[–]revengeofthedirty47 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Really now? Is there evidence you have that you can cite?
[–]kragshot 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And that is where you are going to find conflict with us here. Unlike feminists, we acknowledge and support binary gender roles. Children need both parents in their lives and just as important, they need both a male and female presence in their upbringing.
If a father or mother is not available, it can be a grandmother or grandfather, aunt, or uncle. But that balance has to be present in the child's life. We have the results of three generations of single-parent families to prove the validity of this argument.
[–]NebulousASK 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Please note that gender roles are roles, not straightjackets. The differentiation is good. It is good for people to do what they enjoy and what they excel at, and men and women often enjoy and excel at different things.
When you recognize that, along with the fact that any particular couple is going to have some nonconformity and that's good for the child to see, too, then you can hopefully refrain from throwing out the baby with the bathwater. When the role fits how you see yourself and how you want others to see you, you embrace it and thrive. Where it doesn't fit as well, you subvert it and are supported. This is a healthy relationship, and it's strongly beneficial for children to see all of this.
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[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link
Sure, it's absolutely possible and it happens. I said this earlier to someone else, when we make generalizations we don't have to account for outlier minorities unless they're significant. But they aren't. For a single example, a child raised by a single parent is twice as likely to end up in prison or jail. Statistically it's simply worse to raise a child as a single parent.
I take issue with this whole "well it works sometimes" attitude because, what a surprise, it usually doesn't. It's the same mentality people who buy lottery tickets have, "well SOMEBODY has to win and it could be me, right?" It's harmful and negligent, we should be focused on the very foundations which would be having a strong household where both parents are committed, not glorifying single parenting that sometimes works out.
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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link
Nobody is saying they all fail and crash and burn, that's obviously not true. It's on average they have more problems. You're arguing nonsense.
[+]EschersAnts -5 points-4 points-3 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Are you sure about this? I'm pretty sure Jaret Anderson-Dolan, a recent NHL draftee, and his two mothers would be interested to hear more about your theories on how comparable different households are.
https://www.nhl.com/news/jaret-anderson-dolan-prospect-with-two-mothers-could-be-inspiration/c-289971458
[–]NebulousASK 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Domestic violence among lesbian partners is five times as frequent as among other couples. Around 1/3 of children in two-mother households have witnessed partner violence.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
It's a scale, not an on/off switch. Men are obviously generally better at teaching masculine traits.
I'm aware there are exceptions and I think it's great for them, but that doesn't detract from my statement whatsoever.
Anecdotal cases don't exactly make your point air-tight.
[+]EschersAnts -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Thanks for being civil. I would agree re:anecdotal cases, but neither do assertions make your case airtight.
I'd agree to disagree.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Unfortunately you can't "disagree" with statistics, and statistically almost across the board kids raised by single parents are doing worse.
There's lots of research backing this up, another user posted a few studies that you can take a look at if you really want to educate yourself on the matter.
I was raised by a single mom and I know firsthand a lot of the shortcomings that are caused by it.
[–]nforne 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
When I was a kid in the 80s, there was plenty of evidence that smoking caused lethal illnesses. Despite this, most smokers were in denial, and would point to someone they knew who was 75 years old, had smoked woodbines since they were 10 and had never once been ill.
This, they said, was proof that smoking was harmless.
We've been fed the line for years that single parents are just as good as couples. I'm sorry but the facts just don't bear this out.
Earlier this year my wife was in hospital, so it was down to me to work, do the housework, the school run and so on. I found that I just didn't have time to do everything, so I'd leave my daughter in front of the TV for longer. Maybe only an extra 30 minutes or so a day, but it mounts up.
[–]Meistermalkav 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
lets put it plainly, because smoking is a great comparison.
Most smokers are fine not smoking. If they do something they lovem they can not smoke just fine. heck, in a pinch, I hve seen very few people who went "you know what would make this relentless sex better? Smoking. "
Afterwards? hell, lets smoke. Nothing wrong with it, right?
Now, the "evidence" was not the problem. The problem was the idea how it was approached. because it was packaged.
Mind you, it is like vaping. most vapers know, that there exist no long term studies, and vape fluids don't have the same regulations of what cigarettes are under. Thus, calling them safer is ONLY oif you discount that you are essentially pumping untested shit in yourself.
The same with single parents.
Fuck it, every parent at one time or the other has had the idea of being both rolles at once. Most people have one or two friends who are single, and go, shit, s/he would make a good prent, even by his / her own self.
BUtr if you go, okay, we HAVE to support single people, two parents are NOT neccessary to raise a child, one parent is definitively enough, whut whut, if you speak up against this, you are biased against single parents, can I hear all my single parents in the room go, social disapproval.....
Then fuck you too buddy, middle fingers in the air, a child needs two parents, one bparent can suffice in a piunch, but this is why we respect them especially.
Most people don't like it, and I mean, really don't like it, when some cunt (australian usage, male or female) packages an otherwise reasonable point (children of one parent house don't automatically come out as serial killers) with weird shit (and let me tell you about this other thing I don't like about traditional marriage... ), and then add social disapproval to it (IF YOU DARE TO FUCKING SPEAK AGAINST THIS; OR OPEN YOUR FUCKING WHITE MALE MOUTH ABOUT THIS; AMIRITE LADIES????), you can practically taste a number of people who get so annoyed by this, they just wiggle their buts like cats waiting to pounce on the first point.
Mind you, most of them if they saw a single mom, or a single dad, they would not bat an eyelash about this.
[–]manicmonkeys 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Do you also argue against wearing seat belts because you know a guy who got flung out of a car and survived since he wasn't wearing one?
[–]SSapplejack 14 points15 points16 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
That's just biologically not true
[–]ATXBeermaker 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
How so? If a parent is abusive in a relationship, then it stands to reason that removing mthat parent from the equation would be the better option. In general, yes, a loving couple is naturally the better option. But for specific instances, sometimes a single parent is better.
[–]SSapplejack 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
In specific instances that's true, but biologically it doesn't matter the circumstances, absent parent, death or divorce. your childs body reacts to the pheromones of the adults that raise them. Women who grow up without fathers start their periods a year older than women who don't.
[–]ATXBeermaker -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Specific instances are how individuals live their lives. /u/SharkGlue said single parents can be just as good as a couple, which is demonstrably true. He didn't say they always or even generally are better.
[–]SharkGlue -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
So single dads are worse?
[–]SSapplejack 16 points17 points18 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yes. Children need both parents. Single moms and single dad's are both better and worse in different areas so it's hard to say which is better for children, but having twi biological parents in a stable marriage is absolutely what's best for kids
[–]SharkGlue -5 points-4 points-3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Men are manly men. Women are womenly women. Neary the two shall meet?
Maybe people are more than their gender?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I would be interested if there was a study done on this, but I looked and couldn't find one. Realistically I think the reality is that women are awarded custody far more often than men or that men simply opt out of parenting.
[–]NebulousASK 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Even the very best parents do better with a loving partner. There's only so many hours in the day, only so much emotional and moral burden each person can handle.
Heck, this even extends past the two parents: kids who are raised with loving and supportive extended family (grandparents, aunts, etc) do better than kids that aren't. The more active and responsible adults in a child's upbringing, the better.
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[–]NebulousASK 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
For a lot of people it does.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Nuclear families are not a new invention, this is bullshit. Humans have partnered off monogamously for thousands of years.
It's a matter of biology and it's very simple explanation as to why: human children take a VERY long time to mature compared to every single other species on the planet, having a consistent provider (the male) and a consistent care taker (the female) is evolutionary advantageous.
People that spout out this "monogamy is a new invention!" nonsense are foolish.
[–]SharkGlue -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Sounds more like it's a problem of resources and that a single wealthy parent would have little issue.
[–]NebulousASK 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
A wealthy parent who spends money on live-in child care would have less issue, yes - basically spending money to supplement the parent time.
[–]SharkGlue -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So it has nothing to do "you need both"? It's just, as with most things, a matter of resources.
[–]NebulousASK -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
There are hundreds of studies, Google "both parents vs single parent" and see what comes up. It's not up for debate, the facts are in. Kids with both parents are more successful in every aspect of life. Congrats though, I'm glad you're one of the lucky ones.
educationnext.org/u-s-students-two-parent-families-achieve-grade-level-higher-peers-single-parent-families/
[–]kragshot 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You are not the proof of success...you are just an outlier. And part of that is because of your old school values. And was there an uncle or grandfather involved in your life? I'm betting there was. But if not, then what most likely happened was that your mother did the best she could in instilling what she perceived as proper male values based on her own father-figure in her life.
The problem here is that so many American women have bought into the bullshit that men and male-centric influences are unnecessary in a child's life. So because of this, you have a stastically substantial number of people who have problems in their upbringing that can be directly linked to this condition.
[–]mwobuddy 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Just remember that if all the parents take the children on a school trip and the bus crashes, it'll be 100 dead, including 10 women.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/6tvvor/why_is_a_female_life_more_important_than_a_males/
[–]SpenceNation 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Are we talking about female children or female fathers here?
[–]jerseymayan 389 points390 points391 points 8 years ago (32 children) | Copy Link
Great fathers are the real heros.
[–]sopun[S] 241 points242 points243 points 8 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link
*heroes :)
This was pretty awesome: http://i.imgur.com/4HEiCQL.gifv
[–]Wallballs72 13 points14 points15 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I love that
[–]Ninja_Arena 52 points53 points54 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Will always upvote this. Father's aren't the real heroes though. A good parent is.
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Right here is the perfect example of equal rights. Realizing that both genders are equal, and there are just shitty people, not just one shitty gender, and the other should be given more because of it.
[+][deleted] -161 points-160 points-159 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
don't be a little bitch
[–]cheesyblasta 50 points51 points52 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What, you wanna just be wrong all the time?
[–]Taxus_Calyx 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I think you mean "bich".
(entire South Park musical plays in head)
[–]Michamus 17 points18 points19 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Knowledge is currency. /u/sopun effectively just gave /u/jerseymayan a $5 bill. Would you call someone who does that, a bitch?
[+]CountClais -63 points-62 points-61 points 8 years ago* (22 children) | Copy Link
So are moms. The things my mom went through to raise me arent short of miraculous. There are* plenty of hero moms and shitty dads as well as shitty moms and hero dads. Dads arent the only real heroes.
[–]Igloo32 72 points73 points74 points 8 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
Did you really have to poop on an otherwise great post celebrating dads?
[+]CountClais -64 points-63 points-62 points 8 years ago* (13 children) | Copy Link
I'm not pooping* on it but to say that dads are the only real heroes is insulting to great mothers.
[–]kragshot 15 points16 points17 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
No it isn't. It's this "zero sum" thinking by you feminist allies that is causing all of these problems. Just because something is uplifting men does not mean that it is tearing down women.
We see nothing but constant attacks on fathers and men in today's media. Can we be allowed to celebrate a positive male impact on someone's life without some feminist shill pissing all over it?
[+]CountClais -9 points-8 points-7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
tfw not refusing to accept dads are the implied only heroes makes you want to brand me as a Feminist ally so you can present your argument as "us vs them"
This post is wholesome. The parent comment is wrong.
Even if I was a Feminist or a Feminist ally whatever the fuck that is, which I'm not, that has nothing to do with what I said.
[–]Igloo32 24 points25 points26 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Exactly where does it say "dads are on the real heros"? go away troll.
[–]Aceiks 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If
Great fathers are the real heroes
What are great mothers? Or Uncles, Aunts, grandparents? This statement is blatantly exclusive.
[+]CountClais -39 points-38 points-37 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
By saying they're the real heroes it implies they're the only heroes. FYI having a differing opinion than yours does not make me a troll. Find another safe space.
[+]bombjamas -24 points-23 points-22 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Nobody slighted moms. You're a weirdo. Go kill yourself.
This is a positive post keep the negative mental Olympics to youself
[–]CountClais 38 points39 points40 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Go kill yourself. This is a positive post keep the negative (...)
Go kill yourself.
This is a positive post keep the negative (...)
Pick one.
[+]Igloo32 -10 points-9 points-8 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
A quick 30 second check on your post history indicates you are in fact a weirdo and troll.
[–]CountClais 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Please clarify because the only way to win this petty argument was to attack my comment history instead of my argument.
[–]bombjamas -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You killing yourself would be positive for me troll. Best wishes
[–]CountClais 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
your opinion is different than mine can you literally stop living REEEEE
[–]RedditIsDumb4You 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
My mom beat me and sold me sexually from ages 6-10
[–]CountClais 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
plenty of hero moms and shitty dads as well as shitty moms and hero dads
[–]TobiasTheRedtailHawk 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
oh
[–]magicalraven 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nobody said they were you fucking moron! Fuck me you people make it hard to have civil discourse.
[–]Huporter2387 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nice one, Kanye.
[–][deleted] 29 points30 points31 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
The answer to many of societies problems: Good parenting.
[–]AresPhobos 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
All people based problems are solved with good parenting if you think about it. If everyone was a good parent the only problems left would be quantum tunneling and the heat death of the universe.
Also scorpions.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Scorpions are mighty fine when skewered, deep fried and seasoned. But I'm not sure if you can do that with all of them.
[–]Aivias 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Do they have the consistency of prawns/shrimp?
Nah it's pretty much like potato chips - very crunchy, not much besides it. Everything deep fried tastes nice. Not sure about bigger one though. Big ones may still be juicy inside, which is what most people don't like about eating bugs.
[–]jeff_the_nurse 108 points109 points110 points 8 years ago (80 children) | Copy Link
I especially like seeing black fathers like this--defying stereotypes!
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[–]necropantser 24 points25 points26 points 8 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Statistics without context are meaningless.
[–]Cudi4205 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (12 children) | Copy Link
In what context do you consider it okay to abandon your own children?
[–]necropantser 22 points23 points24 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Your assumption is that the separation of fathers from children is a result of "abandonment" instead of societal systems that strip fathers from children or makes them feel incapable of being a good father.
[–]Cudi4203 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (9 children) | Copy Link
You're right, the disproportional number of black children without fathers is due to "societal systems" that makes them "feel incapable". Not cultural imperfections. That's also the reason that more black youth dies in Chicago than soldiers in Afghanistan, right?
[–]thelampshade25 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
To be fair the incarceration rates for minor drug offenses disproportionately takes black fathers away from their children over white father.. even though drug abuse takes place at the same rate among both races
[–]necropantser 18 points19 points20 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
This book has all your answers --> http://newjimcrow.com/about
Blaming "urban culture" is a right wing tactic designed to gently herd you down the road towards racism. Let's call it entry-level racism.
[–]Cudi4208 points 8 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link
Calling the observation of cultural differences "racist" is a left-wing tactic designed to suppress the real answers.
[–]necropantser 16 points17 points18 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
You know, I was once a freshman heading to college, inclined toward right-wing thoughts and thinking I was exceptional because I didn't buy into the standard liberal narrative. I listened to Rush Limbaugh at 16 and laughed at those feel-good liberals.
It took me many years to understand that I was being manipulated by the rich elite who were perpetuating class warfare.
I hope you maintain an open and critical mind. It's the only thing that saved me from hatred and propaganda. Good luck.
[+]Jethr0Paladin 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Meanwhile, I too was a freshman, but inclined towards left-wing ideology. Then I graduated, still left-leaning. Then I started seeing some evidence, some facts, some despicable acts being performed... claiming that the whites are to blame for all of the blacks' misfortune, that somehow I am at fault for their joblessness, for their lack of culture. Then they started killing police officers. No, not any more. I won't be a part of a misguided mobocracy anymore.
You're claiming that viewing the facts as facts is "racism". How often do we hear the alt-left calling things that aren't racist, racist? Pretty frequently. I mean, you're going to disagree. You're going to claim they're all racist things, thanks to having been indoctrinated in a far-side political agenda. You're no better than the "alt-right" when you defend the "alt-left".
[–]AustNerevar 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I wouldn't worry too much. I feel like right winged individuals have their ideologies challenged by the real world, which is a good thing. Left winged individuals rarely have their beliefs challenged like right winged ones do. There is so much my eyes were opened to in college and adulthood that led me to becoming a classic "liberal". However, for kids raised in left wing households, they just don't encounter many legitimate authority figures who can rationally challenge their beliefs.
[–]jrob1235789 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I also highly recommend this book.
[–]LasherDeviance -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Half of the time it isn't abandonment. A lot, (75%) of BW make shit choices in men. And a lot of times the "relationship" is over with the guy before the chick even knows that she's pregnant.
Watch the Maury show on a random weekday and see how many women are on the show because three plus different men might be the father of whatever kid is there.
If it's her body, her choice, she treats her body like shit. If the actual ovulation period where a woman can get pregnant is only about 3 days in a month, how is it that a woman can't know for sure who the father is unless she's a complete whore?
I get tired of this narrative passed around by closet racists that Black men aren't good fathers, or that we run out on women when we find out that they are pregnant. I won't say that it doesn't happen, but a lot of times its more of a situation where you have met some chick for a ONS, and after she asks around town to find out your last name, instead of calling you up soon to have you help pay for the abortion for a baby neither of you want, you get served a child support letter 3 years later and come to court where a few other guys who might be potential fathers are there and you all get DNA testing.
After either you a/or one of the other guys get proven to be the dad of a child you have no connection to and didn't know existed, you owe 3 years in back child support and she has spent 3 years turning the kids against you because, "Yo daddy ain't shit."
If you and the other guys get proven to not be the father, the judge unfairly sticks child support on whatever simpleton was dumb enough date her.
I tell this story as I have seen it played out among friends of mine.
[+]giantbollocks -47 points-46 points-45 points 8 years ago (64 children) | Copy Link
They call us racist when all we're doing is asking them to do shit like this more often
[–][deleted] 71 points72 points73 points 8 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link
Man, that's a super shitty way to phrase that
[+]giantbollocks -27 points-26 points-25 points 8 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link
Facts hurt sometimes. Adults accept them and do what they can to change them. Children cry and whine instead.
[–]SlamTheSalmon6 points 8 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
And of course you post on t_d
[–]giantbollocks 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Somehow, that's relevant, I'm sure
[–]RedditIsDumb4You 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Here's a fact you're going to die a virgin because you can't hide your power level.
[–]giantbollocks -4 points-3 points-2 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Jokes on you, I'm really your dad and I abandoned you long ago, and this is my attempt at penance. Sorry kiddo
[–]RedditIsDumb4You 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
LOL that is hilarious. You getting laid. Lol. I mean maybe you could rape a girl if you get strong enough.
[–]giantbollocks 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I mean I paid your mom, but that's neither here nor there, I'm sorry I left you all those years ago, kiddo
[–]RedditIsDumb4You -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
1/10 you should try some more marblecake before trying to b8
[–]giantbollocks 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Sorry I flipped your sad attempt around on you, the way I flipped your mom around all those years ago
[–]FireHazard11 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Like you're doing right now?
[–]giantbollocks 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Right, I'm trying to change negative facts.
[–]FireHazard11 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
By whining about how people are mean to you when you act like a dick?
[–]giantbollocks 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Reread the comments my dude, I haven't whined at all. It's you lot replying to me who are crying about things such as my word choices when stating objective facts, lmao
[–]FireHazard11 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Dude, your first comment in this chain is you complaining about people calling you racist. If your primary goal was to spread awareness of the problem of absent fathers in black communities, then there are a thousand different ways to go about it that don't involve you whining about getting called racist.
That's why you're being downvoted. It's not because people don't agree with the facts, but because it's obvious to everyone that you're being disingenuous. You appear to be more like someone who just wants to rant about how shitty black people are and less like someone who actually cares about fixing the problem.
[–]giantbollocks 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Your opinions are nice and all, but you're the one more concerned about intangible things like words, as opposed to large scale problems in society.
[–]cheesyblasta 25 points26 points27 points 8 years ago (38 children) | Copy Link
Who's the 'us' and 'we' in this sentence, my dude? White people? Not cool, bro.
[+]giantbollocks -10 points-9 points-8 points 8 years ago (37 children) | Copy Link
Blacks have the lowest rates of stable nuclear families. "We" are people of all races including blacks who believe the path to happiness comes from the nuclear family. Dont be racist now.
[–][deleted] 31 points32 points33 points 8 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
And Asians have the highest. Does that mean white people are horrible parents? No. Please stop spreading incitefull bullshit
[–]giantbollocks 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Definitely helps explain why Asian children have such high success rates in school though, and only bolsters my point.
[–][deleted] 16 points17 points18 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
So you completely ignore my point and try to connect it with yours, but fail. It's crazy how people like you can see something nice and wholesome like this post and find a way to bring racism into it
[–]giantbollocks 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I don't see why it's racist to believe all children deserve a nuclear family
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
It's not, but you weren't saying that. You were saying that "the blacks" are bad at forming nuclear families simply based on their race.
[–]giantbollocks 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
No I wasn't, now you're adding words to my mouth. I was saying that "the blacks" for one reason or another, whatever the reason may be, statistically, are proven to have lower rates of nuclear families than all other races. This is fact, bro. Whining won't change it. The change has to come from within the community. It has to be recognized, called out for what it is, and rectified, and people like you will never allow the issue to be fixed.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Stop twisting words and look at the data
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Not sure what you're talking about, your link proves my point.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You said the other guy was spewing bullshit, bit you can very clearly see the black single parent rate is reaching 70 percent, vastly higher than the white rate which you claim he should also be talking about. You have bad reasoning.
I was talking about his racism. And you're still attaching race to it instead of underlying factors. Based on the graph you provided, black, white, and Hispanic families all have similar abandonment ratings.
Why do you think that is? Are families in Rochester typically poor or have a history of drug abuse, including alcohol? If the underlying factor is race, like you and the other user so vehemently contend, why are white families in Rochester so much more likely to abandon compared to surrounding areas?
It seems like anyone with half a brain and enough reading comprehension to understand the graph could see that.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
Blacks have the lowest rates of stable nuclear families.
They also have the highest male incarceration rates.
This causes a supply/demand imbalance between the genders in black culture.
That's what's leading to this. Stop the incarceration for stupid drug offenses, and this problem will vanish.
Youre also ignoring other crime rates being per capita very high in the black community.
I'm not ignoring anything. We simply weren't discussing anything related to them.
[–]giantbollocks -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
I agree that the war on drugs is BS. It is one factor that needs done away with. But you cant blame this on one factor. The numbers don't pan out
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Absolutely can. The war on drugs has hit the African American community HARD. Removing so many men from the potential dating pool has created a significant shift in the supply/demand value dynamic.
With 3 or 4 single African American women for every single (non-incarcerated) African American male... it's going to create problems in the community. There's no way to get around that.
[–]giantbollocks 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43
Black or African American
Total arrests: 2,549,655 Drug abuse violations: 365,785
You're gonna have to try considerably harder to bridge that gap
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Not really. You aren't even really trying to debunk me.
Everyon'es going to notice you are comparing number of arrests, not convictions, or (more importantly) sentences (and sentence length).
Gotta get arrested to be convicted and sentenced. Perhaps you might start by fixing the arrest numbers and see if that rolls downhill? 15% arrests for drugs is not that bad... violent crime and theft numbers for blacks are considerably worse. If you start by removing the first step in a broken system... the system can't operate
[–]cheesyblasta -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
We say "black people".
Stop being racist, this isn't a semantics battle or a racial superiority contest, its concern for our childrens future. Cuck
[–]cheesyblasta 21 points22 points23 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Cuck
lmao ok
[–]giantbollocks 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Trying to shame me out of a facts-based discussion, yeah youre a cuck, buddy.
[–]cheesyblasta 15 points16 points17 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
There's only one kind of person who uses that word, that's all.
[–]giantbollocks 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Doesnt change the facts that person is spewing, cucky.
[–]turkycat 199 points200 points201 points 8 years ago (106 children) | Copy Link
This is touching. But why this sub?
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[–]turkycat 98 points99 points100 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good answer my dude
[–]Quintendo64 40 points41 points42 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Amazing answer. Thank you.
[–]Terry_Bruce_Dick 13 points14 points15 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I 100% agree with that, but also, I feel like a really great dad woulda called his kid on that wheelie-bag BS.
[–]aaarrrggh3 points 8 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
feminist ideology
Perhaps "feminist theology" is a more appropriate term?
[–]Terapia_Tapioco 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No, because "theology" literally means "discourse on God", so "ideology" is the most appropriate term.
[–]MrSweeps 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I would love to see a father portrayed as the ultimate good guy in some show or movie. Does everything right, takes everyone's bullshit calmy without complaint, knows what's best for them and lets them say what's on their mind and accepts their input as valid. Makes all his kids feel valued even in a world and culture where people are shit to eachother all the time.
There are a lot of great fathers, but if you were to take your perception of family from media and what is taught in schools, it's extremely depressing.
Perhaps a show, or a short film or skit about a child growing up through the years, but each scene is every time he goes to his dad for advice or help/every time his dad sees him.
[–]BloodRainOnTheSnow 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Damn I unfortunately don't see many quality posts on Reddit these days but damn you're spot on. Id give you gold if it didn't go towards funding this site.
[+]SharkGlue -18 points-17 points-16 points 8 years ago (36 children) | Copy Link
that fathers aren't necessary
Are you implying single parents are worse than couples?
[+][deleted] 8 years ago* (17 children) | Copy Link
[–]SharkGlue 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
Sincere. Can you elaborate?
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[–]APleasantLumberjack 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Amazing response.
[–]SharkGlue 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ty. Will read when im not on mobile.
[–]Coach_DDS 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Can confirm.
Source: child of a single parent
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[–]MyNameIsSaifa 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
That's the entire point of statistics, to draw conclusions about a group.
You wouldn't point at Neil deGrasse Tyson and say "oh hey, he's definitely not a criminal so black people on average must commit no crime!"
[+][deleted] 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
[–]MyNameIsSaifa 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Of course, but that's an obvious false equivalency.
What you're saying is that we should see single parents as worse parents on average, where the statistics disagree with you.
The actual equivalent of what you're saying use the prior example would be saying that it's wrong to say black people commit more crime even though the statistics say they commit more crime.
[–]Michamus 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
Are you looking for statistics, or philosophy?
[–]SharkGlue 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
Whatcha got?
[–]Gantrof 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
here's a start
[–]SharkGlue -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
Slate. Lol. Anything less biased?
[–]Gantrof 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Slate's a very left-leaning publication, if anything, the bias is in your favour.
[–]SharkGlue -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
bias but its gud
Great job kid.
[–]Havikz 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Every publication is bias. Humans are bias. You have to deduce with your OWN skills if something is valid or if it's not. Considering the context of the matter, the fact that Slate would post something so damning of their own usual narrative goes to show just how right it is.
The VAST majority of troubled boys grew up in single mother households, it's honestly astonishing. Two parents is fundamental in the development of a person, not only practically (More income, more house work gets done, more time spent with kid) but psychologically. Boys need a dad they can look up to, a dad that teaches them how to be a man, and I'm not talking that swollen ego macho personality, but a real man like the Dad in this photo, and the man that boy grew up to be.
[–]Michamus 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
When a publication has a biased slant that would be against the conclusion of their article, you can bet that there's veracity to it. It would be like the Mormon profit coming out and saying Joseph Smith was a liar. The fact he stated such a conclusion, despite his bias, speaks volumes.
[–]Ragnrok 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Because a bit of positivity here and there is refreshing.
[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Another good reason is that a lot of men have to fight tooth and nail to even be able to be in their child's life due to the crazy divorce and custody laws we have. It's important reminder that fathers aren't just disposable ATMs.
[–]mshorts 27 points28 points29 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
If this sub ever becomes a place where we can't celebrate good fathers, I will unsubscribe.
[–]LasherDeviance 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It is, unless their black dads, then everyone has to diminish them and bring up unrelated statistics to continue to shit on black men.
[–]mshorts 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I want to be awesome like that black dad.
[–]SharkGlue 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Who's downvoting you!?
[–]mshorts 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I am surprised.
[–]kragshot 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
While you may or may not have done so, there are people in here that want to and are actively pissing all over our wanting to celebrate the positivity that the post exhibits.
As I said; celebration of a positive male impact is not a teardown of anything female...contrary to what modern feminists would have you think.
[–]SharkGlue 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
celebration of a positive male impact is not a teardown of anything female...contrary to what modern feminists would have you think.
That wasn't what I was getting at and I don't recall ever hearing that from any Feminist sources.
My impression is that some here just want to whinge and fix nothing. I assumed it was those who were downvoting.
+1
[–]SOwED 35 points36 points37 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Because gallowboob was wildly successful with this picture in two subs earlier today.
[–]sample_size_of_on1 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
This isn't the OP's picture?
[–]FireHazard11 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This is Reddit, everything is a repost.
[–]sample_size_of_on1 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah you got me.
[+]chrisoftacoma -15 points-14 points-13 points 8 years ago (42 children) | Copy Link
Some whiny men believe they are the blameless victims of an unjust society that can't appreciate their honorable masculinity. As a father I see in that photo a great privilege and responsibility. It is an awesome privilege to be someone's father and a deep responsibility to society to teach that someone to be a better person than ourselves.
[–]Philarete 33 points34 points35 points 8 years ago (38 children) | Copy Link
Dang, thinking people either have to be complete victims or complete perpetrators is a hard habit to shake. I like how you assume that the reason people like celebrations of fatherhood is because they are whiney and think they are blameless.
Also fatherhood being a privilege is the most feminist thing I've read. No right to your kids, just a privilege if you have enough good boy points (maybe sworn off your toxic masculinity?).
[+]chrisoftacoma -12 points-11 points-10 points 8 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link
Once again you're blaming others for your own problems. If you are having to fight for custody or are worried about where your child support checks go it is because YOU made poor decisions in the past. None of you HAD to have children with or get married to the people YOU chose. Take some fucking ownership of your circumstances and MAN up.
[–]Philarete 16 points17 points18 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Where in my post did I blame anybody? I in fact argued that simple binaries of blame were unhelpful. And poor decisions probably shouldn't ruin people. I'm sure you also tell single mothers that they should own their mistakes and that they didn't HAVE to have children. Do you tell domestic abuse victims that it's their fault for having poor judgment?
[+]chrisoftacoma -6 points-5 points-4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I would advise domestic abuse victims to seek counseling regarding why they find themselves in abusive relationships.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
If you are having to fight for custody or are worried about where your child support checks go it is because YOU made poor decisions in the past.
Yes, your SO having a hormonal change causing a personality shift is obviously the result of your bad choices.
Feminist trolls gotta find a way to blame men somehow...
[–]chrisoftacoma -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
A real man would recognize that campaigning for men's rights must include women's rights. A real man knows that excluding any demographic ultimately excludes everyone. If you're not Feminist you aren't for rights or equality at all.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
A real man would recognize that campaigning for men's rights must include women's rights
Gender shaming? Really? One would have thought feminist trolls would avoid shaming based on gender roles...
Secondly, no, campaigning for men's rights does not include campaigning for women's rights. It simply precludes infringing on them.
it necessitates infringing on women's privileges. What's that phrase? When one is used to privilege, equality seems like oppression?
[–]chrisoftacoma -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
This comment just shows your moronic alt-right rhetoric for what it is. You understand neither rights or equality with these statements.
Try getting your information from somewhere other than the echo chambers you're used to. Get some perspective. You really think men and women are or have ever been equal?
[–]ZomboniPilot 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
This comment just shows your moronic alt-right rhetoric for what it is.
everyone I don't like is alt-right.jpg
[–]chrisoftacoma 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
So you're not denying it?
And yet, you can't point out anything I said that was wrong. If you could point out a flaw in my statement... you would have.
"When one is used to privilege, equality seems like oppression?"
I will point out the painful irony in your use of this statement.
[–]Tgunner192 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
I wonder what you'd think of someone given the same advice to a woman in a custody dispute.
[–]chrisoftacoma -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
The same exact thing I would say to the man; that they are partially to blame for their relationship's failings.
[–]Tgunner192 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
You're right about that, people should take more responsibilities for the relationship failures in their life. However, you are naive or ignorant to believe men/fathers are given a reasonable ability to be a part of their childs life in a court room. The phrase "having to fight for custody" is in and of itself telling and not in a good way. The best interest of a child would be arranging child care, not fighting for it. You viewing it as something that should be a fight is wrong to begin with. Even worse, it's a fight in which men are severely disadvantaged at a societal and institutional level. Your attempt to label men who make noise about this disadvantage as "whiny" is further evidence of a cultural bias. In summation, your error in thinking is two fold-1. believing that benevolent and loving parents should have to fight to be a part of their children's lives and 2 that calling attention to it being a decidedly unfair & unjust fight is whining.
[–]chrisoftacoma 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Nearly everything you said here is a blatant attempt to straw-man my argument. I am making no qualitative judgement of good people seeking custody of children in court. I am judging people that blame society for their personal woes. A family torn apart by irreconcilable differences between parents is not a "men's rights" issues but a symptom of a much broader lack in family planning. You are trying to paint me as an enemy of perfectly honorable men lovingly seeking custody of their children in an unjust system. This is ridiculous. What I am saying, again, is that these whiny fuckers around here make a claim that the world is being set against them when the opposite is almost always true; MEN have 99% of the rights in nearly every society on Earth. Stop bitching and own your shit. The MAN in OP's pic did exactly that.
[–]Tgunner192 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
You refer to good people pointing out the inequities of family court as "whiners" then go on to say that you are making no judgements. This appears very inconsistent.
MEN have 99% of the rights in nearly every society on Earth
This is a thread concerning paternal rights and roll models. You ignore that issue and (falsely) bring up some other list of 99% rights. Then you go on to accuse others of "strawman" arguments. This begs the question; are you trying to be funny? If you're just trolling and intentionally being obtuse, then ha ha the jokes on me, I fell for it.
[–]chrisoftacoma 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Since we clearly aren't understanding eachother how about trying it from another angle? Can you state the purpose of this thread without reference to custody inequities?
[–]Philarete 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
No, it is not a privilege, it is a right. A privilege is "a right or immunity granted as a peculiar benefit, advantage, or favor." Fatherhood and motherhood and the rights associated should be by default, not "peculiar benefits, advantages, or favors" that are "granted" by some entity. They are natural rights arising from the relationship between parent and child and high standards are necessary for taking them away (e.g. abuse or neglect).
[–]chrisoftacoma -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This is an unfortunately prosaic view of parenthood and misses the mark completely. Seeing only one's rights or the perceived lack thereof is part of the problem here. Parenthood is about more than simply who and what you are; it's also about why you are a parent and how you are going to do it. So put down the dictionary and read something that can inspire a richer definition of parenthood.
[–]Philarete 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not really. Of course parenthood entails way more than the enumeration of basic rights. I'm discussing the legal status of parents, not what makes a parent a good one.
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[–]Philarete 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Because there is a strong tendency within feminism to see fatherhood as a privilege and motherhood as a right.
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[–]Philarete 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
The best piece of evidence I can think of is that feminists generally do not find fault (or at least I have not heard them do so) with the presumption that women ought to retain children in custody disputes unless there are compelling reasons not to. They might argue that it is the Patriarchy's fault that men don't do enough to earn the right to be a father, but it is ultimately cast in a light that men have to do something to justify themselves. The reverse is not suggested, that career-focused women ought to be subject to the same bias.
[–]Pandamonius84 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I'll agree to the responsibility bit as any parent should be responsible for the upbringing of their children so that they can be successful in life and be a good person.
But you better clarify the privilege statement. It's privilege that a father will be lucky to spend time with his son or daughter if they aren't given full custody yet have to make alimony payments hoping that it's being used for the child's welfare. Family courts don't do enough when it comes to Father's rights and their children.
[–]chrisoftacoma 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
There is a huge difference between being a legal guardian and being a father. A father has to not just be willing to set aside their personal needs and desires, but to want to do it. A father has to be able to show their children not just the dangers and injustices of the world, but also it's beauty and wonders as well as our duties as it's custodians. You can talk about rights to children as if they're property that is owed you, but it is definitely a privilege to get to be someone's guide through life.
[–]Pandamonius84 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Again I agree with most of what your saying. I'll agree that it is a privilege to guide someone to be a good person, role model, success in life, etc. I'm just trying to say that there are circumstances (i.e. really terrible divorce, bitter ex-wife, kids get moved out of state or town, kids get groomed that their father is shit and shouldn't be trusted) where they don't get such a privilege because it's not his fault (or entirely his fault.) That's what this sub should be fighting to spread awareness to.
[–]kragshot 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
And you are very, very, wrong. This perception is the result of too much TV and negative stereotypes being accepted as the norm.
The single parent situation while statistically significant, was not the norm until after the Vietnam War. And it was not black men leaving their families so much as their not coming back home from the war or coming back with debilitating post-war trauma that affected their family life.
Then we had the results of second wave feminist thinking backed with government incentives for single parenting that urged black women to push away the fathers of their children in order to seek government aid instead. This was further driven by the media with black family shows like "Julia (the father was never included in the cast)" and "Good Times (the father was killed off second season)." These were efforts to promote the idea that black fathers were not needed for the black family to prosper. In short and during the period between the 60s and late 70s, most single mother families in the black community were the result of either women being widowed (figuratively or literally) or choice by the women.
When the award-winning sitcom "The Cosby Show" was released, the show's biggest criticism came from black viewers that couldn't believe in the positivity and (more importantly) presence of Cosby's character, Dr. Heathcliff Huxtable as the stable head of the family. Just to bring an anecdotal emphasis to this observation, musical numbers aside, The Cosby Show mirrored my own upbringing. My parents were both professionals and raised my two sisters and I as a family. Furthermore, this was the makeup of my entire extended neighborhood in Gary, IN.
But what you all should be worried about now is that after decades of testing in the black community, the same thing is happening across mainstream America now and we are seeing the same results across the board.
[–]VoiceofPrometheus 16 points17 points18 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Who took the photos?
[–]ibbignerd 32 points33 points34 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Mum?
[–]GoldnSilverPrawn 14 points15 points16 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
First thought would be his mom, but it could have been anyone with a camera in the first and anyone with a phone on the second
[–]SilverGryphon 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
but it could have been anyone with a camera in the first and anyone with a phone on the second
good call man, smartphones did not exist back then
[–]YamatoMark99 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes they did, they just had physical keyboards.
[–]RedForman- 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
beautiful.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm looking forward to doing this with my boy.
[–]ArkLinux 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
There is actually another Charles B, the great Charles Barkley.
I remember when
I remember when I lost my mind
[–]ALE_SAUCE_BEATS 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I want to be a dad like this.
[–]Blutarg 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good job, Dad :)
[–]DennistheDutchie 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Facebook and Twitter posts must be done w/ screenshot & blanked names
Probably do this quickly before the mods wake up.
[–]Devin1405 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Seeing how the tweet is viral, I suspect it won't be as big of a deal.
[–]fessus_intellectiva 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I love this post! Thank you for posting OP.
[–]DaughterOfRedEarth 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is fucking beautiful ❤️
[–]goalposthead 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I love that it looks like his dad's hair grew about 6 inches in 13 years or so.
[–]01001011-01001111 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
People get hair cuts?
[–]FireHazard11 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No, don't be ridiculous.
[–]SilverGryphon 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I wish the Ninjas would stop cutting onions around me
[–]mark121mueller 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I know him from school! Go Plano
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
We need more and better fathers like this! Especially in the black community!
[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Jesus christ Reddit really is milking the fuck out of this tweet on every subreddit possible. First i saw it on blackpeopletwitter, then i saw it on WHOLESOMEbpt, then i see it here. Jesus guys quit copy+pasting the same photo into every subreddit imaginable for Karma.
BPT and WBPT will literally put anything with a black person up. This has a much stronger message in this sub. Also, Gallowboob is one of the top posters to that sub. He's a serial reposter and known karma whore.
Have you seen seeing all those brave souls posting the non-stop AntiNazi posts? /r/pics /r/adviceanimals /r/todayilearned /r/videos are the top NON-political subs that have had anti-Nazi stuff reach the frontpage. They're being so courageous saying they don't like Nazis.
It's all about the Karma bro.
This how to not be an asshole. Don't be an asshole
[+]idealwisdom 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Against all odds
[–]anonlymouse 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I like how they have the same stride in both pictures.
[–]simjanes2k 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What is the irony of tagging yourself "the only charles b" when your name is literally "Charles Brockman the third?"
[–]zach216 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
This is gonna sound terrible but the car in the left picture doesn't look like a car that would be around in that time. So I'm assuming the 90s.
[–]Swolebrah 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
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[–]zach216 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I forgot I'm 23. Getting old!
[–]YamatoMark99 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's Honda Pilot 2003-2008.
[+]TheAcePlace 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I do hope it was the mom who took the picture too :)
[–]MRMRising 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Feminists and Family courts be slippin, there are still a few fathers out there that have not be separated from their kids.
[–]in_the_no_know 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is beautiful
[–]supacrusha 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
While this fertainly is heartwarming, and I know feminists try to shut dads down, this belongs more on r/mademesmile than here.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Uplifting dads definitely belongs on mensrights.
[+]UnashamedlyLacking 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
His trousers grew at the same speed as his dreads
[–]SKNK_Monk 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dad had his sense of style on lock early. The man clearly knows who he is.
Great photo to show how slow hair grows.
[–]wiseprogressivethink 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good stuff.
[–]Quadling 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That kid and that father have a relationship. I don't fucking care what color you are, that relationship is what counts. Bravo! Kudos! Awesome role model, man.
[–]zephyrIT 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I was about to comment about how this looks fake because of how good the quality of that kindergarten picture was.
But then realized I'm old.
[–]Hunchmine 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The Honda Pilot In the kindergarten picture tho....college move in?....idk. Looks like a "bae caught me sleepin" thing here guys. No?
[–]Mens-Advocate 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Perhaps traditional society was not wrong to discourage, rather than celebrate, single motherhood.
[–]jkarovskaya 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I worked tirelessly to make damn sure my sons were able to go to college, and to even get MS degrees following undergrad. I made sure they did not have to work more than 10-15 hours a week during the time they were in.
They are great guys, super appreciative when they think of it, but they HAVE NO IDEA what I had to do, and the sacrifices I made to enable that to happen.
So not only does this subreddit support fathers leaving kids without any sort of involvement but it also believes fathers are super important and that single mothers are a huge problem
[–]BernieSandersgirl101 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I always felt closer to my mother, but I still love my father, and I am grateful for how much he has worked to raise me.
[+][deleted] -17 points-16 points-15 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Wow, you didn't abandon your child. I'm so fucking impressed.
Wrong sub. This isn't /r/facebook
[–][deleted] 23 points24 points25 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Oh my gosh it's finally my time to shine:... Username checks out!!!!
Nailed it!
[+][deleted] -9 points-8 points-7 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
You really didn't.
Most people don't make a big deal out of it and just include the Username part.
[–]SharkGlue 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
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Oh, I see what's happening. This must be one of those circlejerks I'm always hearing about.
[–]SharkGlue 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
[+]Acebacon -8 points-7 points-6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Bigotry of low expectations.
[–]pockets_007 52 points53 points54 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I think men guiding and supporting men is exactly what this sub is about
[+]67859295710582735625 -45 points-44 points-43 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Umm... Not really a men's right post, nothing about him being unfairly treated in his lifetime. Just a father and daughter going from kindie to uni, this happens millions of times a year.
[–]EricAllonde 46 points47 points48 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Personally, I'm fine with people posting stand-out positive representations of men and fathers in this sub from time to time. Feminists crank out hundreds of articles to smear men every week, let's have a bit of positivity in this sub to start to balance it out.
[–][deleted] 28 points29 points30 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Daughter
[–]Locknlawl 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Did you just assume xers gender??
[+]outlooker707 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don't you guys believe gender is a social construct?
I used to work with a sweet old lady named Charles. Everyone called her Charlie.
[–]pockets_007 21 points22 points23 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The rights and self respect of one group dont necessarily have to involve an attack on or examples of hypocrisy of the opposing side
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Nice try KKK
[–]alclarkey 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Celebrating fatherhood is disgusting?
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