This pic looks like it's from 2011. Kind of old news compared to the recent ad, eh?
While I think the idea that they as a company actually give a shit about anything beyond profit is a bit of a stretch, don't you think it's possible for them to change at least a bit in 7.6 years?
Pretty sure there are ads to stop people from joining gangs.
They aren't fringe cases though. Do you seriously not know any creeps? Have you been out of college for that long? Have you never talked with a girl and she's told you the awful things one your friends sent her? Have you even been to a bar? Women get their asses grabbed all the time when they're just talking to guys.
If you seriously think that the problem Gillette is talking about, is as big as those other issues, you either have your head in the sand or you're willfully ignorant.
To call it an extreme minority is pushing it. Actually talk to some girls and it's appalling what they have to put up with.
I agree that there should be a conversation about shitty women. There are just shitty people in general. But Gillette is a brand for men and this ad was targeted at men. It would be really bad optics if they put out at ad that said "Women need to stop being shitty." This ad is men talking to men. Tweet at Tampax to run an ad about how awful women are. These companies are slaves to Twitter. If there's enough of you, they'll do it.
I have a skewed perception backed up by the girls who experience it every day? That's really the skewed perception? That all of these girls are just seeing this one creep everywhere they go?
It's not a fucking competition who is more oppressed. Just because we think men are discriminated against a lot doesn't mean that girls are less discriminated against.
There's a difference between looking at women that want to be looked at and being a creep at a bar. Does no one here know that creepy guy from college?
Has no one talked to a girl and learned about some of the things guys send women??
Girls are bat shit insane too but Gillette isn't talking to girls. Do you guys want Tampax to run an ad that says "False Rape accusers should get an equal sentence to actual rapists?" because if they can make that work I'm all for it. But to think that they are the same level of severity is asinine.
From another comment because I'm tired of writing this shit out.
"Have you been out of college for that long? Have you never talked with a girl and she's told you the awful things one your friends sent her? Have you even been to a bar? Women get their asses grabbed all the time when they're just talking to guys. "
If you seriously don't hear this stuff, you either don't talk to women or don't listen.
Also I keep saying this but no one is replying to the analogy.
Do you people get upset over Wounded Warrior commercials because you already pay taxes for the VA?
I'm sorry you felt attacked. I'm sure there's a support group that you and all your friends can go and cry about how this commercial made you feel bad.
I was saying he is the kind of guy that would have to be stopped by one of the good Gillette commercial guys.
It had nothing to do with how many people he slept with. Guess it wasn't clear. I'll remember this next time I joke about someone being a sexual abuser.
Well I've been around since 85 and I've never sexualized any women even close to this degree, but this company that has blatantly sexualized woman in 2011 is telling me to treat woman better and not sexualize them.
I'm a strong supporter of men's rights but I didn't have a problem with the ad. A lot of men are cunts and I liked seeing other guys standing up to them. Preachy ads have been around for years. Should I just unsubscribe?
I didn't get that vibe at all. I got the "Let's work together and stop pieces of shit from being pieces of shit" vibe.
Because there are a lot of pieces of shit. Both men and women. But it's an ad for men and I don't think an ad saying "Stand up to women" would have very good optics.
How often do you sexualize women? If you often sexualize women you should unsubscribe. 99% of us don't sexualize 99% of would tell out friends to not grab a girl's ass say. So those of us who are upset are upset that we are all being told to do what we already do, and it's a slight slap in our faces. We don't need a company to tell us how to treat women, that's what father's are for.
If you need a reminder to not sexualize women then you are kind of a shithead. Do you need a reminder?
My girlfriend was talking to two guys in a bar and all they would talk about was her and her friend being naked and fishing.
Have you never seen a guy grab a girls ass at a bar? It happens all the time. If you haven't seen it you're not looking. If you've seen it and didn't intervene, you probably could have used this commercial. Have you never talked to a girl and she mentions some creepy ass texts that one of your friends sent her and you're like "Shit." and then not done anything about it? You probably could have used this commercial.
I honestly think if people have seen the MeToo movement, done self reflecting and been like "Yup. I'm still a good guy." You probably could have used this commercial.
I'm not sure if you're really old or really young, but the fact of the matter is, it's still a big problem.
Do you get upset when you see a Wounded Warrior Charity commercial because you already pay taxes to help Vets? To say that things are good to go and that people don't need to be shown how to intervene is ludicrous to me.
No not a burn, it's akin to a vegan who just turned vegan telling a bunch of vegans since birth they need to be better about not eating meat. Like fuck you new vegan.
Meanwhile you have another group of people doing the Atkins diet agreeing with the vegan telling the old vegans to not use animal products. Like fuck Atkins Dieter's
How stupid do you have to be to not realize men are more physically aggressive than women and it would be good for more disadvantaged men to be told that being violent isn’t okay
I really don't care. But if say Bob tells me that I need to not name call because name calling is mean, and Bob has history of name calling whereas my history is good. I'm going to call Bob out.
Wrestling/play fighting is good, fighting with an attempt to cause pain is bad. Maybe you personally can't make the distinction.
My ex was an immigrant and a Muslim, her dad works for Microsoft, I dated her for four years. No one ever came up to her and harassed her for being Muslim. Your creating a situation that doesn't exist. Like saying all pitbulls are killers.
Your making up problems that don't exist. I have first/second hand experience and what you're saying isn't a real problem. So yeah, you probably shouldn't respond.
The only people that ever gave her problems that she talked about were other Muslims.
No, but part of life is knowing yourself, knowing your strength. Knowing your weaknesses and where you need to grow.
I "fought" my Mexican neighbors in elementary school. We developed a strong mutual respect and in HS I was one of the few white kids welcomed among them.
I was jumped in college. Thanks to my wrestling skills, I got a broken nose, but dudes ended up running away. It wasn't because I was white or a man, they were just drunk assholes looking to fight. I probably would have ended up a lot worse.
In karate I was taught to defend myself, not to attack. If you can defend yourself you will not bested.
Men grow up wrestling, it's what we are, just as my dog goes to the dog park and play fights other dogs. To pretend it's a part of society and not because we are innately animals is completely ignorant.
To pretend everyone in the world will treat each other well is extremely alluring, but completely unrealistic.
Fighting is a strength, with it comes the lack of fear to go into a burning building. With it comes the confidence to stand up for yourself, not with violence but if it gets to that point, you will not be pushed around. With the ability to fight gives a country the ability to defend itself. The ability to fight creates men able defend the weak.
Yeah, they got a lot of publicity, won't argue that, time will tell whether that was positive or negative.
I don't think they were deliberately trying to offend so many people, I think their goal was to provoke the same feeling that all the soy boys and Feminists felt about the video.
P&G said it has no plans to pull the spot in the face of some negative reaction, The Wall Street Journal reported. “We recognize it’s sparking a lot of passionate dialogue — at the same time, it’s getting people to stop and think about what it means to be our best selves, which is the point of the spot,” said Pankaj Bhalla, Gillette brand director for North America.
I didn't include the stock news to prove that it's been positive for the company. The massive amounts of publicity are what make it positive. If this "movement" had any real chance of counteracting the positive effect of this publicity, then the tone of that article would be completely different.
They love this. They love these posts on r/mensrights. It would be funny that I'm being downvoted except that this ignorance and stupid anger is why feminism remains so powerful.
I tend to agree about their motivations, but Gillette is a tiny portion of P&G, and the effects of this campaign a tiny portion of Gilette. It has zero bearing on a 24 stock fluctuation in a company the size of P&G. We won't know anything at all until sales figures are quoted at the next quarter.
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This pic looks like it's from 2011. Kind of old news compared to the recent ad, eh?
While I think the idea that they as a company actually give a shit about anything beyond profit is a bit of a stretch, don't you think it's possible for them to change at least a bit in 7.6 years?
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...and this matters why?
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That does nothing to explain your position.
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Only if you are unattractive
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Did any of you watch the commercial?! I didn't get that message at all.
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Pretty sure there are ads to stop people from joining gangs.
They aren't fringe cases though. Do you seriously not know any creeps? Have you been out of college for that long? Have you never talked with a girl and she's told you the awful things one your friends sent her? Have you even been to a bar? Women get their asses grabbed all the time when they're just talking to guys.
If you seriously think that the problem Gillette is talking about, is as big as those other issues, you either have your head in the sand or you're willfully ignorant.
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To call it an extreme minority is pushing it. Actually talk to some girls and it's appalling what they have to put up with.
I agree that there should be a conversation about shitty women. There are just shitty people in general. But Gillette is a brand for men and this ad was targeted at men. It would be really bad optics if they put out at ad that said "Women need to stop being shitty." This ad is men talking to men. Tweet at Tampax to run an ad about how awful women are. These companies are slaves to Twitter. If there's enough of you, they'll do it.
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Okay. Let's just all sit back and continue to get discriminated against. No conversation at all. Okay. That makes sense.
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I have a skewed perception backed up by the girls who experience it every day? That's really the skewed perception? That all of these girls are just seeing this one creep everywhere they go?
It's not a fucking competition who is more oppressed. Just because we think men are discriminated against a lot doesn't mean that girls are less discriminated against.
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Exactly. All these people who are getting upset are probably the ones who saw themselves getting stopped for their behavior.
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Anyone who thinks a little bit of social justice is a bad thing is probably a horrible human being. It can go too far but it's overall a good thing.
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There's a difference between looking at women that want to be looked at and being a creep at a bar. Does no one here know that creepy guy from college?
Has no one talked to a girl and learned about some of the things guys send women??
Girls are bat shit insane too but Gillette isn't talking to girls. Do you guys want Tampax to run an ad that says "False Rape accusers should get an equal sentence to actual rapists?" because if they can make that work I'm all for it. But to think that they are the same level of severity is asinine.
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From another comment because I'm tired of writing this shit out.
"Have you been out of college for that long? Have you never talked with a girl and she's told you the awful things one your friends sent her? Have you even been to a bar? Women get their asses grabbed all the time when they're just talking to guys. "
If you seriously don't hear this stuff, you either don't talk to women or don't listen.
Also I keep saying this but no one is replying to the analogy.
Do you people get upset over Wounded Warrior commercials because you already pay taxes for the VA?
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I'm sorry you felt attacked. I'm sure there's a support group that you and all your friends can go and cry about how this commercial made you feel bad.
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I wouldn't call it offended. I'm more wound up by these stupid things people freak out about.
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Lol. You're angry over a commercial dude. Is your ego that fragile?
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Good one bro. Must get held back from a lot of ladies with wit like that.
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I was saying he is the kind of guy that would have to be stopped by one of the good Gillette commercial guys.
It had nothing to do with how many people he slept with. Guess it wasn't clear. I'll remember this next time I joke about someone being a sexual abuser.
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Link to article where I got the picture.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/01/gillettes-razor-and-occams.php
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Well I've been around since 85 and I've never sexualized any women even close to this degree, but this company that has blatantly sexualized woman in 2011 is telling me to treat woman better and not sexualize them.
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I'm a strong supporter of men's rights but I didn't have a problem with the ad. A lot of men are cunts and I liked seeing other guys standing up to them. Preachy ads have been around for years. Should I just unsubscribe?
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I didn't get that vibe at all. I got the "Let's work together and stop pieces of shit from being pieces of shit" vibe.
Because there are a lot of pieces of shit. Both men and women. But it's an ad for men and I don't think an ad saying "Stand up to women" would have very good optics.
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How often do you sexualize women? If you often sexualize women you should unsubscribe. 99% of us don't sexualize 99% of would tell out friends to not grab a girl's ass say. So those of us who are upset are upset that we are all being told to do what we already do, and it's a slight slap in our faces. We don't need a company to tell us how to treat women, that's what father's are for.
If you need a reminder to not sexualize women then you are kind of a shithead. Do you need a reminder?
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My girlfriend was talking to two guys in a bar and all they would talk about was her and her friend being naked and fishing.
Have you never seen a guy grab a girls ass at a bar? It happens all the time. If you haven't seen it you're not looking. If you've seen it and didn't intervene, you probably could have used this commercial. Have you never talked to a girl and she mentions some creepy ass texts that one of your friends sent her and you're like "Shit." and then not done anything about it? You probably could have used this commercial.
I honestly think if people have seen the MeToo movement, done self reflecting and been like "Yup. I'm still a good guy." You probably could have used this commercial.
I'm not sure if you're really old or really young, but the fact of the matter is, it's still a big problem.
Do you get upset when you see a Wounded Warrior Charity commercial because you already pay taxes to help Vets? To say that things are good to go and that people don't need to be shown how to intervene is ludicrous to me.
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No not a burn, it's akin to a vegan who just turned vegan telling a bunch of vegans since birth they need to be better about not eating meat. Like fuck you new vegan.
Meanwhile you have another group of people doing the Atkins diet agreeing with the vegan telling the old vegans to not use animal products. Like fuck Atkins Dieter's
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God you guys bitch a lot
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Oh boy, was this after they released that dreadful ad?. If so hypocritical levels are through the roof.
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Jesus you guys are triggered easily
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So why is this hypocritical?
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How stupid do you have to be to not realize men are more physically aggressive than women and it would be good for more disadvantaged men to be told that being violent isn’t okay
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Sex and gender aren’t the same thing, idiot.
Males are more physically aggressive than females.
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I really don't care. But if say Bob tells me that I need to not name call because name calling is mean, and Bob has history of name calling whereas my history is good. I'm going to call Bob out.
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Wrestling/play fighting is good, fighting with an attempt to cause pain is bad. Maybe you personally can't make the distinction.
My ex was an immigrant and a Muslim, her dad works for Microsoft, I dated her for four years. No one ever came up to her and harassed her for being Muslim. Your creating a situation that doesn't exist. Like saying all pitbulls are killers.
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Your making up problems that don't exist. I have first/second hand experience and what you're saying isn't a real problem. So yeah, you probably shouldn't respond.
The only people that ever gave her problems that she talked about were other Muslims.
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314 Muslims being attacked in 2017 is hardly, regularly attacked and victimized
There were 860 attacks on whites in 2017 for being white.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2017/topic-pages/victims
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No, but part of life is knowing yourself, knowing your strength. Knowing your weaknesses and where you need to grow.
I "fought" my Mexican neighbors in elementary school. We developed a strong mutual respect and in HS I was one of the few white kids welcomed among them.
I was jumped in college. Thanks to my wrestling skills, I got a broken nose, but dudes ended up running away. It wasn't because I was white or a man, they were just drunk assholes looking to fight. I probably would have ended up a lot worse.
In karate I was taught to defend myself, not to attack. If you can defend yourself you will not bested.
Men grow up wrestling, it's what we are, just as my dog goes to the dog park and play fights other dogs. To pretend it's a part of society and not because we are innately animals is completely ignorant.
To pretend everyone in the world will treat each other well is extremely alluring, but completely unrealistic.
Fighting is a strength, with it comes the lack of fear to go into a burning building. With it comes the confidence to stand up for yourself, not with violence but if it gets to that point, you will not be pushed around. With the ability to fight gives a country the ability to defend itself. The ability to fight creates men able defend the weak.
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The ad was purposefully triggering to y'all, just FYI.
They understood that they were poking at a double standard that would provoke that sweet, sweet, polarized outrage.
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Yeah, they got a lot of publicity, won't argue that, time will tell whether that was positive or negative.
I don't think they were deliberately trying to offend so many people, I think their goal was to provoke the same feeling that all the soy boys and Feminists felt about the video.
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It's already positive. They banked on all this. They want you to say their name. That's it.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/pgs-gillette-ad-asks-men-to-shave-their-toxic-masculinity-and-a-big-backlash-ensues-2019-01-15
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And P&G shares are back to where they were at before the video was posted.
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I didn't include the stock news to prove that it's been positive for the company. The massive amounts of publicity are what make it positive. If this "movement" had any real chance of counteracting the positive effect of this publicity, then the tone of that article would be completely different.
They love this. They love these posts on r/mensrights. It would be funny that I'm being downvoted except that this ignorance and stupid anger is why feminism remains so powerful.
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Despite what we are told, publicity isn't always positive.
Gillette is losing more people than they are getting. So let's see how this pans out.
I wouldn't be surprised if most people forget about this, some people won't, so only time will tell.
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I tend to agree about their motivations, but Gillette is a tiny portion of P&G, and the effects of this campaign a tiny portion of Gilette. It has zero bearing on a 24 stock fluctuation in a company the size of P&G. We won't know anything at all until sales figures are quoted at the next quarter.
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Calling out a company on their hypocrisy is me being toxic?
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