(Discussion/Q4A): Risk Taking & Risk/Reward

insertcredit2 · 2021-08-27T10:00:15+00:00

On average? Well most people want children so most people will risk divorce to get it.

What's the risk if you don't have a family? Well, unless you have some glamorous career, which the vast majority of people don't have. When you're in your 30s, you're most likely going to be as bored with the things you liked in your 20s as you were bored by things you liked in your teens when you were in your 20s.

GridReXX · 2021-08-27T11:12:55+00:00

Just do it.

Life is risks.

Or be a mental hermit.

Kaisha001 · 2021-08-27T11:36:29+00:00

The problem with Pascal's Wager, is that it assumes a particular version of god is true and every religion thinks it's correct. If you pick the wrong one, you're fucked.

So you have an infinite number of possible 'religions' to choose from. 1/infinity is a pretty small chance of getting it right...

_lemazaki · 2021-08-27T12:03:00+00:00

As a man who takes risk almost everyday... I think finding a partner that is good morals and same level of income it´s a good risk reward ratio.
And the reward in this case is finding someone that look like you.
If your partner becomes abusive, both might suffer, about money, the income is the same so you are protected.

Now, if we put children in the mix, and both truly desire to raise the kid, I think both will be at risk, but different risks. Men can lose a % of their income, maybe the right to see the kid, and the woman may lose her potential for work. Both will lose the a better raising for the kid.
I am saying this from experience, I got divorced and a good deal of 50% split child spending and time, BUT, still, knowing that he could be even better bothers me sometimes.

CFinCanada · 2021-08-27T15:42:02+00:00

Firstly, it is objectively wrong that financial risk of marriage and children is skewed towards the man. Meta-analysis: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jomf.12629 Divorced mothers have the highest poverty risk, not divorced men.

The rest will depend on the individual. Personally, I see no rewards for having kids and only risks and downsides/consequences. Others may see rewards there.

moviecooknl · 2021-08-27T10:32:35+00:00

Taking (healthy) risks is what gives you and yourself progress and if you're not taking risks it means you will not encounter those moments, problems, personality traits, values, relationship values, etc for you to learn what's acceptable (or not) or that you don't want (or do want) and for you to use to form healthy values and/or healthy boundaries.

When it comes to dating and LTR's, it's about making sure you and your date are compatible on values and/or (respecting and accepting each others) boundaries.

flapperfemmefatale · 2021-08-28T03:15:31+00:00

Best relationship advice I was ever given: you either spend the rest of your life with someone, or you don't. There isn't an in-between. If you can't accept that, you should probably avoid relationships

LittyKitsune · 2021-08-27T14:10:17+00:00

I hate to say it but people can get sick and die by no fault of their own. We spend so much time here talking about the risks related to spouse's behavior this giant elephant in the room gets overlooked.

Heartbreak is a part of having relationships with other people, full stop. It's not so much a risk as an inevitability. Nobody lives forever, we aren't invincible. To avoid ever being hurt ever the only solution is to lock yourself up and never talk to anyone. "They're not yours it's your turn." Correct, at the end of the day we all belong to the dirt when we're buried.

If you want to have meaningful connections with people all you can do is vet to the best of your ability, treasure the time you do have with them, and have emotional supports in place if/when anything goes wrong, whether that be by choices made or chance. For me that is how you get the optimal reward/risk ratio.

Different_Ebb_4638 · 2021-08-27T09:04:42+00:00

It's hilarious watching you ppl pigeonhole yourselves out of the dating market via pseudo-dating theory.

Just go outside

Aldabruzzo · 2021-08-27T13:03:43+00:00

i'm really tired of this bullshit claim that women bear risks with sex. All of those former risks have been completely neutralized, or can be managed to the point that the effects are negligible. One of the major points of the sex rev was to make sex and sexual conduct as risk free as possible for women. Either eliminate the risks for women (as has been done for the most part), or shift the risks to men (which has been done) or if the risks can't be shifted, make men bear the risks and pay for them (which has also been done).

Pregnancy: With a few simple precautions, women can avoid pregnancy altogether. Worse comes to worse, they always have Plan B/Morning After, and failing that, the abortion failsafe. Birth control is free: Either your insurance pays for it or you get it through Medicare/Medicaid, or Planned Parenthood.

STDs: All can be cured except herpes, HPV, and HIV; and those can be medically managed to the point of asymptomaticity and no transmission. Again - the medications to manage these are inexpensive or free for women.

scams/theft: Women can protect themselves against these things. Women are equal and can do anything men can do.

violence: Get a gun. Call the police. Sic your white knights/beta orbiters on them. File lawsuits. Everyone is sympathetic to women and will make sure that any man who injures them will pay dearly.

Women do not risk ANYTHING with sex or relationships anymore.

TheJim66 · 2021-08-27T11:11:29+00:00

AWALT just means all women have female nature and sexuality which works a certain way. It doesn't mean all women are evil or will screw you over.

As for the optimal risk/reward ratio, it depends on the man's value, experience and ability. For a high value, experienced, red pill aware man the risks are significantly reduced while the rewards are greater.

Bubbly_Taro · 2021-08-27T09:09:55+00:00

Talks about Pascal's Wager. Continues by saying they care about it.

/thread.

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oldmanwinter_68 · 2021-08-27T12:15:03+00:00

What is the optimal mix, on average, for each gender?

For men, I would say it depends on how easy it is to find women who are sexually attracted to you.

For example, I know a guy who's kinda overweight and unattractive who never had a girlfriend before age 35, but he had a good government job with benefits.

In his late 30s, he finally met a single mom of 3 or 4 children who was interested in dating and marrying him. She had some kind of health problem and I suspect she was more interested in getting access to his health insurance for herself and her children than anything else.

I think that for such a man, marriage is a pretty big risk.

By contrast, I'm not a "Chad" by any means, but I do sometimes meet women who are sexually attracted to me. For example, I met a girl on the train the other day and we went back to her place and had sex. She just texted me and my sense is that she's interested in having a serious relationship. So there's less risk here.

wtknight · 2021-08-27T12:27:27+00:00

The problem with Pascal’s Wager is that it’s not true belief. If one is just making a conscious choice to be religious based upon consequences, then one really doesn’t have faith. Is that person really actually “religious” then?

Similarly, people who are making partner choices based upon the results of those choices aren’t really in love, and probably shouldn’t be making those considering that there is another person involved that could be hurt. People shouldn’t choose to be with partners. They should just naturally fall in love by being with people, just as people shouldn’t choose to be religious. They should just naturally have faith in a higher power.

M_LaSalle · 2021-08-27T13:41:39+00:00

All of this is false, since, however Pascal comes down on the issue, the existence or nonexistence of God is not provable. Bet however you like, but you aren't collecting in this life, and you aren't paying anyone off, ever.*

With dating, the rewards and risks are of this Earth, immediate, and tangible. They will have consequences for how you live your life in the here and now. You will have a family and children, or you will not. You will get sex, or you will not. You will suffer rejection and humiliation, or you will not. Thus the calculus of risk and reward is quite different from an purely academic inquiry in the existence of God.

From this, we may derive the following conclusion: One should not take dating advice from seventeenth century French mathematicians.

I suppose that calculations of one's chances of success in the dating market might involve the use of probability theory, which Pascal pioneered. However, this assumes that one is aware of one's actual SMV, and humans are not, in general good judges of this. There is imagined SMV (SMVⁱ), which is the person's own view of their SMV. There is relative SMV (SMV^r), which involves a complex calculation of age, looks status, etc. (This is not be confused with relativistic SMV (SMV^E=mc\2)) which gives the SMV as the person approaches the velocity of light in a vacuum.) And finally, there is practical SMV (SMV^p), which states that in any Galiliean coordinate system, the SMV of a human is equal to or less than the SMV of the highest SMV person they can actually date.

*Unless, of course, you happen to pick the wrong God. All the world's religions can't be right.

SaBahRub · 2021-08-27T15:41:27+00:00

That depends on the person, like pretty much every decision ever

nemporisso · 2021-08-27T18:42:43+00:00

There is no one ideals. The most important thing for anyone is understanding their own values, and acting accordingly.

StuDentMyCar · 2021-08-27T10:21:17+00:00

ouch. Why do people with borderline get thrown around like an insult 😒

ToughAnswers · 2021-08-27T15:05:11+00:00

Risk of passing up even one opportunity for sexual novelty 😨

goneaway2thewind · 2021-08-27T14:37:46+00:00

It's not just risk to reward "What's the worst that can happen and chances of that? Is the reward worth it?"

For men at least, it's a bad balance of COST to BENEFIT. Meaning that to even attempt dating there is a high effort and financial cost to even play the game. The benefit is to take on a girlfriend, which will be more of a liability to his life than a partner.

Men can keep complaining about this, but It pointless to hypothesize the better senario for them because there is no incentive for women to change. There is no motivator for them when they receive the most benefit for the lowest risk in this current situation. It doesn't matter to them what makes non competitive men more inclined to date, they are only concerned with the best.

Women aren't going to stand with men on with going dutch, because they don't have to. It would reduce the cost for men but they don't have to care.

Women aren't going to stand with men on justice for equality in divorce courts. It would reduce the risk for men to start a family but they don't have to care, they only need to take the less risk averse men and continue the cycle.

Men compromise, women select the best. It's not designed for efficiency or morality. It's an evolutionary mechanism. Men need to accept it. Women have the option to screen for the goldilocks zone of balance, but even if you gave them everything they wanted they'll only ask for more.

Title	(Discussion/Q4A): Risk Taking & Risk/Reward
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Date	August 27, 2021 8:55 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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