She’s not being charged with child abuse, she’s being charged with distributing child porn. It’s irrelevant who’s in it or what they (are able to) consent to. It’s inherently illegal just by virtue of the fact that it’s considered child porn and was distributed.
you can’t consent to distributing your own child porn any more than you can consent to distributing your own cocaine. It’s an inherently illegal material regardless where you sourced it.
It’s not complicated. It’s illegal to distribute sexual material featuring children. It’s irrelevant who’s in it or what they think of it or how old they are when it was distributed. In the same way distributing cocaine is illegal by virtue of the fact it’s the cocaine which is inherently illegal to distribute.
Yeh you can also sniff cocaine up your nose and can’t with child porn. It’s an analogy. Not a claim that they’re comparable in every conceivable way possible.
The point is distributing cocaine is inherently illegal because of the material in the same way distributing child porn is inherently illegal because of the material, regardless of anything else.
That’s the point, You can’t own or distribute child porn even if you’re the child In it, because child porn is inherently illegal to own and distribute.. There’s no such thing as lawful child porn.
How is supporting the market in this case a problem? As long as there is no victim there should be no crime.
Any why should this have the worst punishment? Attraction to children isn't some kind of rare messed up mental state like you see with serial killers. Almost every single adult experiences attraction to a child at some point (except aces). Just most people know they aught not to indulge the thought and especially not act on it.
Some argue that it is a sexual orientation that cannot be controlled. Why should that be punished if I can't be controlled and there is no victim?
Suppose you’re attracted only to those within a year of your age. You’re saying that the very second you turn 18 all 17 yos you might’ve been attracted to instantly are no longer attractive?
‘Teen’ is one of the most (if not thee most?) popular genre of porn. I’m sure most people can’t tell exactly who is at least 18. We just assume they are at least 18 because any younger would be illegal.
In some countries it is legal to marry very young (often girls), so long as they’ve reached puberty.
Clearly I’m not being unreasonable thinking that attraction to children is very popular...
She also did it without their consent. None of those people who bought it knew what the photo was. They thought it was her normal totally legal stuff like everyone else on onlyfans.
If the FBI wanted to they could have charge all of those people who downloaded it. Simple Possession is a crime. She turned all of those people into criminals.
Writing for the majority, Justice Susan Owens said Washington law is clear: creating or disseminating sexually explicit images of minors is illegal and not protected by the First Amendment, even if it’s a selfie that would be legal for an adult to take.
As a juvenile he did not have to register before. This time he did. He was still 17 at the time of conviction, therefore a minor. He got charged with Child Pornography of himself. Whether it was "harassment" or not didn't matter as was quoted above in statement from Justice Owens.
It is her own nude picture and she is of age to decide whether she wants to sell it or not.
The reason CP (and sex with minors) is justifiably illegal is that it leads to exploitation of children without their informed consent. If she is of age now and consents to providing that picture, where is the lack of informed consent?
Sales and distribution of CP are victimless crimes yes. But that does not make them any less illegal.
Let's say I'm a guy that has a website specializing in CP. But all Photos/Videos come with the legal, written consent of the subject because they are now over the age of 18. Is that still okay in your book?
Think it can't happen? With so many 14-17 year old taking nude selfies on their phones and storing it in iCloud it could easily happen.
Coercion is a crime. I'm talking 100% legal consent just like people do when they upload regular stuff to Onlyfans.
Note: You do realize you seem to be saying Child Porn is totally cool don't you? Yes I know you're saying "with extra steps" but the nature of your statement is still the same.
Because it's a sexual picture of a child that she is selling to strangers you sick fuck. You think pedophiles care if she consented? It's fueling an industry and supplying pedophiles with child porn. Trying to justify it is fucking disgusting man.
Viewing and selling CHILDREN as sexual objects is where society should draw the line. Not try to find ways around it with technicalities.
Whatever you think of her behavior, it is a picture of her and, as an adult now, she is consenting to sell it to others. You can judge her behavior based on your own moral code, but behavior between consenting adults should not be policed by the law.
How much does it change the discussion if a person distributes pictures of themselves when they were younger? Utterly fascinating question.
It doesn't. Sales and distribution are both illegal. There are teenagers that have gotten charged (usually male) for sending nude selfies of themselves to someone they are dating.
This bitch isn't getting charged because she is rich and famous.
Everyone should be very uncomfortable with this. If you’re not, you have a problem. However, topics like this have this thing called nuance that Reddit likes to forget about sometimes.
Why is cp wrong? Because in the absolute best case scenario where no kids are abused, coerced, raped, or kidnapped, they are at the very least not of the age of consent. Cp is very very wrong and absolutely should be illegal because it is almost always accompanied by the collateral issues mentioned above.
However, in this case, no rights are being violated. This woman has consented, after the lawful age, to do this. In this specific scenario it’s a bit harder to pinpoint wrongdoing.
Although, I want to make it clear that she still should not do this for several reasons. First, anyone who consumes this material needs help and should not be entertaining these disturbing desires. She is enabling those people with these pictures. Additionally, anyone who has these pictures is (rightfully) in danger of being criminally charged with cp. Cp is such an unimaginably evil industry that there is and should be an absolute 0 tolerance policy when it comes to the law. Allowing shit like this would only make it easier for the real victims to slip under the radar.
From what I’ve seen, people aren’t defending her actions. They’re sparking a discussion about the nuances of this topic.
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She’s not being charged with child abuse, she’s being charged with distributing child porn. It’s irrelevant who’s in it or what they (are able to) consent to. It’s inherently illegal just by virtue of the fact that it’s considered child porn and was distributed.
you can’t consent to distributing your own child porn any more than you can consent to distributing your own cocaine. It’s an inherently illegal material regardless where you sourced it.
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It’s not complicated. It’s illegal to distribute sexual material featuring children. It’s irrelevant who’s in it or what they think of it or how old they are when it was distributed. In the same way distributing cocaine is illegal by virtue of the fact it’s the cocaine which is inherently illegal to distribute.
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Yeh you can also sniff cocaine up your nose and can’t with child porn. It’s an analogy. Not a claim that they’re comparable in every conceivable way possible.
The point is distributing cocaine is inherently illegal because of the material in the same way distributing child porn is inherently illegal because of the material, regardless of anything else.
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That’s the point, You can’t own or distribute child porn even if you’re the child In it, because child porn is inherently illegal to own and distribute.. There’s no such thing as lawful child porn.
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Please stop bringing in logic. We are here to be outraged!!!!
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The charge isn't creation or exploitation, its sales and distribution. So take your simping sarcasm to a place where it makes sense.
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Thanks for making my point dude!
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Just as expected of a simp, ignoring reality because the truth that you're a piece of shit hurts too much LMAO.
Go back to looking at your Child Porn PEDO.
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How is supporting the market in this case a problem? As long as there is no victim there should be no crime.
Any why should this have the worst punishment? Attraction to children isn't some kind of rare messed up mental state like you see with serial killers. Almost every single adult experiences attraction to a child at some point (except aces). Just most people know they aught not to indulge the thought and especially not act on it.
Some argue that it is a sexual orientation that cannot be controlled. Why should that be punished if I can't be controlled and there is no victim?
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Suppose you’re attracted only to those within a year of your age. You’re saying that the very second you turn 18 all 17 yos you might’ve been attracted to instantly are no longer attractive?
‘Teen’ is one of the most (if not thee most?) popular genre of porn. I’m sure most people can’t tell exactly who is at least 18. We just assume they are at least 18 because any younger would be illegal.
In some countries it is legal to marry very young (often girls), so long as they’ve reached puberty.
Clearly I’m not being unreasonable thinking that attraction to children is very popular...
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She also did it without their consent. None of those people who bought it knew what the photo was. They thought it was her normal totally legal stuff like everyone else on onlyfans.
If the FBI wanted to they could have charge all of those people who downloaded it. Simple Possession is a crime. She turned all of those people into criminals.
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There are teenagers who have been convicted of Child Porn for uploading selfies of themselves.
The Cops don't give a fuck.....unless you're a rich and famous e-thot apparently then they don't even charge you lol.
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Yep as is generic photos. He even had to register as sex-offender.
Writing for the majority, Justice Susan Owens said Washington law is clear: creating or disseminating sexually explicit images of minors is illegal and not protected by the First Amendment, even if it’s a selfie that would be legal for an adult to take.
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And how does any of that change anything?
As a juvenile he did not have to register before. This time he did. He was still 17 at the time of conviction, therefore a minor. He got charged with Child Pornography of himself. Whether it was "harassment" or not didn't matter as was quoted above in statement from Justice Owens.
You're the one who didn't read.
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So she not a nice person...but this is not exploitation of a child.
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Wait, can you be charged for child pornography if it was a video of you as a child? I need answers!
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It is her own nude picture and she is of age to decide whether she wants to sell it or not.
The reason CP (and sex with minors) is justifiably illegal is that it leads to exploitation of children without their informed consent. If she is of age now and consents to providing that picture, where is the lack of informed consent?
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You're arguing legality and he's arguing morality. You guys are not even disagreeing with each other and it's painful to watch.
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Sales and distribution of CP are victimless crimes yes. But that does not make them any less illegal.
Let's say I'm a guy that has a website specializing in CP. But all Photos/Videos come with the legal, written consent of the subject because they are now over the age of 18. Is that still okay in your book?
Think it can't happen? With so many 14-17 year old taking nude selfies on their phones and storing it in iCloud it could easily happen.
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Coercion is a crime. I'm talking 100% legal consent just like people do when they upload regular stuff to Onlyfans.
Note: You do realize you seem to be saying Child Porn is totally cool don't you? Yes I know you're saying "with extra steps" but the nature of your statement is still the same.
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You're disgusting man what the actual hell.
Because it's a sexual picture of a child that she is selling to strangers you sick fuck. You think pedophiles care if she consented? It's fueling an industry and supplying pedophiles with child porn. Trying to justify it is fucking disgusting man.
Viewing and selling CHILDREN as sexual objects is where society should draw the line. Not try to find ways around it with technicalities.
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Dude people in this sub are defending it. Absolutely disgusting r/NoahGetTheBoat
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Nope, she did not. All those people are now criminals under United States Law because of her wanting to be a piece of shit.
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Whatever you think of her behavior, it is a picture of her and, as an adult now, she is consenting to sell it to others. You can judge her behavior based on your own moral code, but behavior between consenting adults should not be policed by the law.
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Possession of that material is illegal, so for her to distribute it is illegal. It’s really that simple.
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It doesn't. Sales and distribution are both illegal. There are teenagers that have gotten charged (usually male) for sending nude selfies of themselves to someone they are dating.
This bitch isn't getting charged because she is rich and famous.
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Holy shit you and all the other people defending child porn are literally insane.
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Everyone should be very uncomfortable with this. If you’re not, you have a problem. However, topics like this have this thing called nuance that Reddit likes to forget about sometimes.
Why is cp wrong? Because in the absolute best case scenario where no kids are abused, coerced, raped, or kidnapped, they are at the very least not of the age of consent. Cp is very very wrong and absolutely should be illegal because it is almost always accompanied by the collateral issues mentioned above.
However, in this case, no rights are being violated. This woman has consented, after the lawful age, to do this. In this specific scenario it’s a bit harder to pinpoint wrongdoing.
Although, I want to make it clear that she still should not do this for several reasons. First, anyone who consumes this material needs help and should not be entertaining these disturbing desires. She is enabling those people with these pictures. Additionally, anyone who has these pictures is (rightfully) in danger of being criminally charged with cp. Cp is such an unimaginably evil industry that there is and should be an absolute 0 tolerance policy when it comes to the law. Allowing shit like this would only make it easier for the real victims to slip under the radar.
From what I’ve seen, people aren’t defending her actions. They’re sparking a discussion about the nuances of this topic.
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The whole part of it literally being child pornography seems to not be understood by you
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Oh my god that's disgusting.
Where?
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