Should conscription be gender neutral?

TheRabid · 2022-02-26T17:52:11+00:00

If there is a draft, then it should be gender neutral and everyone should be sent to the front in the name of equality.

ABCAJB · 2022-02-26T19:33:10+00:00

yes it should be gender neutral that is why i have made a petition to call on congress and the senate to either abolish the selective service system or to expand it by requiring everyone to register. The current selective service system is unconstitutional as it only applies to one gender which is a violation of the 14th amendment of the constitution and the equal protections clause.I would appreciate if people in this comment section can look into and sign my petition to have equality in the law.

Link to the petition: https://chng.it/mtgBd6yn

DianeticDelight · 2022-02-26T18:07:23+00:00

Why is this even a question?

Starmind0 · 2022-02-26T21:15:09+00:00

That's not "incel like" nor a question, it's a necessary decision that lots of people cower to say and fear to admit.

LettuceBeGrateful · 2022-02-26T18:01:48+00:00

In a perfect world, there would be no conscription.

However, in a world where many countries cling to the right to our bodies in times of war, it should be gender neutral. Yes, men and women are physically different on average, but there are countless non-combat roles for all draftees (men included) who aren't fit to pick up a gun and hump across a desert with 100 pounds of gear.

Stephen_Morgan · 2022-02-26T18:33:50+00:00

No more than a third of Norwegian conscripts have ever been women. In Sweden no intake of conscripts has even been 20% female. The idea that conscription in either of those countries is equal is ridiculous.

aleqxander · 2022-02-26T22:36:03+00:00

It's not gender neutral as long as men and women doesn't have the same requirements for getting in.

happy2beeme · 2022-02-26T22:05:26+00:00

Yes. All or none. And it should be random draw for assignments. No playing favorites.

therenousername · 2022-02-27T00:36:57+00:00

Yes women want equality so they should have no problem with being forced to fight

emerald_engineer_08 · 2022-02-26T20:49:30+00:00

Conscription is slavery.

It doesn’t need to be gender neutral it needs to be outlawed

AkaMinus88 · 2022-02-26T17:56:57+00:00

The problem is conscription not gender.

If your nation is in need of a military for defense, conscription shouldn't be necessary. A group will voluntarily form to defend itself.

If your nation is in need of a military for an offensive operation, there should be enough supporting volunteers to make that happen. If there are not enough volunteers, clearly there is not any true support to the cause.

Conscription solved.

BaconRollHyena · 2022-02-26T18:23:13+00:00

I hear you only drafting men is wildly unfair and messed up. However, when shit hits the fan you kinda want to have a chance at winning.

Classic-Reserve3907 · 2022-02-27T03:00:20+00:00

It’s a tough one. If we have WW3 and millions of soldiers are killed, our reproductive capacity would take a big hit if women are drafted. Other than that, I think they should be.

SereneGoldfish · 2022-02-26T17:58:33+00:00

I think with equal privileges come equal responsibility. Yes, women should be subject to the draft if men are.

I believe where they don't is down to a couple of reasons.

The kit is often too heavy for women to cope with and so they're often seen as a hindrance, even when they're doing the best they can.
The less palatable reason. If a population is decimated, fertile females capable of bearing young become the most important members. This is true for all species, which is why I'm using the term females. In the eyes of some, sending out these very folk seems like lunacy. That's the biological, deep seated reason, I believe

mrmensplights · 2022-02-27T04:11:19+00:00

That sounded so incel like …

The greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing man he didn’t exist. The greatest trick feminists every played was convincing people that any man who disagrees with their dogma is an incel.

BuzzOff2011 · 2022-02-27T07:55:31+00:00

Feminists only want equality if when it's convenient for them, when something like this gets brought up they put up the pigtails and go "oh but I'm just a girrl, war is for the men"

YeloFvr · 2022-02-27T02:41:41+00:00

Everything else is supposed to be gender neutral THESE days.. So damn straight it should be. Shouldn’t be able to pick and choose .

Traditional-Scratch5 · 2022-02-27T06:41:41+00:00

Yes

Women are capable of doing it, and it will mean more soldiers in time of war when it's needed

TalentedObserver · 2022-02-26T21:25:02+00:00

It’s worth noting that in Ukraine, although not required, many women are staying and taking up weapons to fight, too.

mr-logician · 2022-02-27T00:37:20+00:00

There should be no conscription, period. Gender neutral conscription is definitely a lesser evil than male only conscription though.

Screamcheese420 · 2022-02-27T01:32:10+00:00

I might be willing to have conscriptions to non combative rolls in the military but I don’t feel that drafting women onto frontlines is the best course of action for anyone involved

EOD1 · 2022-02-27T03:03:21+00:00

No, women can’t perform as well as males in the military. There’s a reason for it.

westworld_host · 2022-02-27T11:30:31+00:00

Why are we debating this instead of debating whether a draft is morally acceptable to begin with?

Requarzium89 · 2022-02-26T21:53:13+00:00

This is bullshit, I’m all for this sub and what it stands for but there has been numerous studies to show why Women do not belong on the front line

Come on men, don’t be petty, we should be better than that, we should acknowledge that men and women aren’t equal in everything and that is OK!

Women aren’t as strong or physically fit (generally), men have a predisposition to protect women, which could be detrimental to others they are fighting with. Women do not belong on the front line.

chrrmin · 2022-02-26T23:18:54+00:00

No, for one simple reason: population

One man can empregnate many women in order to recover population loss from war, the opposite is not true. Having both men and women conscripted is a recipe for disaster, wars that last decades would end up being won by whatever side doesnt give a fuck about gender equality.

I understand wanting equal rights and responsibilities, but sadly due to the nature of our biology i just dont think it is a good idea in this case

Chinny_YT · 2022-02-27T06:04:52+00:00

I've said it once I'll say it again: "No one should be drafted" ONLY COMES UP WHEN WE SAY MEN SHOULDN'T BE DRAFTED WITH FEMINISTS WHO SAY WOMEN SHOULDN'T BE DRAFTED

EpicHajsownik · 2022-02-26T17:47:51+00:00

There should be no conscription > conscription like in switzerland (only male, but if you dont want to be conscripted, just change your gender to woman) > both genders conscription >one gender conscription

BellysideUp · 2022-02-26T20:28:53+00:00

mt-egypt · 2022-02-26T21:42:49+00:00

Of course

Random_182f2565 · 2022-02-26T21:56:02+00:00

GobLinUnleashed · 2022-02-26T22:21:37+00:00

It should be gender neutral but it should not happen for either anyway

You’d be adding fifty percent more soldiers tho right?

my-blood · 2022-02-27T03:41:47+00:00

Imo as long as you meet the minimum requirements, you should be drafted regardless of gender. Now this does bring up the issue of the average woman being physically weaker than the average male. And I think having someone who's not as capable as required could be an issue. That's why I don't like it when the minimum requirements for any defence related job is lowered because the most capable deserve it, not those who only got through as a result of gender equality protests.

Drake_0109 · 2022-02-27T03:54:42+00:00

Absolutely, men and women should be drafted equally, at exactly 0.

Flipside07 · 2022-02-27T05:12:18+00:00

You would have to broaden the exemptions to take into account childcare/pregnancy. There are certain job excemptions if I remember correctly like teachers etc. I'm a nurse and would much prefer conscription in my role, providing medical care to soldiers on the front line.

Sintar07 · 2022-02-27T05:16:10+00:00

Yes, but also no. This is where we run headlong into the problems with the equality mindset and why I lean more traditionalist myself (or more specifically, I think traditionalist makes the most sense, but if we're doing equality we need to actually do it, not this stitched together Frankenstein conglomeration of both where it's always "whichever one benefits women more at any given moment"). But, despite the clear issues with it, if we are serious about equality, we need to do so.

Inevitable_Brain9852 · 2022-02-27T05:20:54+00:00

See when you have a draft. You want the strongest and best suited for war. So because of biological reasons it makes sense to draft men.

But when you throw equality in the equation. Women should also have to sign up regardless of their physical ability. But alas they are no where to be seen.

nrkyrox · 2022-02-27T07:28:57+00:00

I'm on the fence about this one. On one hand, I wanna stick it to the libs and say "Everyone should equally do all the shitty jobs if you want equality, not just putting women in c-suite jobs or tech sector jobs at the expense of better male candidates". On the other hand, the traditionalist Christian in me (So basically the Jordan Peterson side of me) wants to say that it's a man's duty to protect his wife, children and loved ones. Then there's my heart (the Libertarian part of me) that says "FUCK GOVERNMENT-MANDATED CONSCRIPTION/DRAFTS, AND FUCK ANY GOVERNMENT THAT NEED CONSCRIPTION TO STAY IN POWER", and that signing up for the militia/defence force, should be voluntary.

MoonShimmer1618 · 2022-02-27T08:55:17+00:00

I see your point and in an otherwise "progressive" society it only makes sense BUT personally I do not care for "equal rights" in the modern sense and would prefer a traditional society so it's not logical for me to be drafted. Send the feminists who claim to want equality instead

Rol9x · 2022-02-27T09:33:32+00:00

As it is in Israel. 😏

cautiousCray · 2022-02-27T15:49:18+00:00

I don’t think that sounds incel of you: I think that what your suggesting is fair. In the U.S. it’s the same; women are exempt from Selective Service (ie. military conscription) where as men between the ages of 18-26 are legally required to register else face up to a $250k fine and/or 5 years imprisonment.

Hefty_Ant1025 · 2022-02-27T16:16:57+00:00

Silly-Leg-1124 · 2022-02-26T18:30:32+00:00

Laughs in future invader

Cearball · 2022-02-27T00:35:19+00:00

Yes but I would rather zero conscription.

bigbird1333 · 2022-02-27T02:58:54+00:00

Absolutely

Suspicious-Sleep5227 · 2022-02-27T03:37:32+00:00

Absolutely. The modern Army has jobs for everyone of all physical and mental abilities. You don’t always need the fastest and strongest in every every job. In fact for a large proportion of jobs it is better to be mentally sharp though everyone needs to be able to function in austere environments.

SnooJokes1401 · 2022-02-27T04:13:00+00:00

Yes. I don't know why it isn't already. Not only is it the most equal option but the government gets twice as many conscripts. It shouldn't matter what "Tiffanny (She/They) #BLM #KillAllMen" thinks about it.

skcuf2 · 2022-02-27T04:42:42+00:00

No. Women and men are not equal. We should stop trying to act like everyone is equal. I'm short, but I'm smart. I'm stronger than a woman, but not strong enough to carry a large man out of a battlefield if he gets wounded.

I'm not sure where this, "Everyone is equal" bullshit came from. That's probably the biggest contributor to our currently failing society. We need to recognizes differences and put people where they belong.

iainmf · 2022-02-27T05:52:04+00:00

Yes.

Even if you think women shouldn't be in combat, you can still conscript women for other roles.

Raju1461 · 2022-02-27T11:29:40+00:00

Yes. It should be. You want equal rights, well you have to shoulder equal responsibilities.

T-MoxyFox · 2022-02-27T12:49:04+00:00

Complaint-“All the men want only men in the mens club”

Like it’s complaining about a patriarchy only wanting patriarchs. Don’t put this on feminists saying they do not want to fight in a war. No one should “want” to fight. Feminists didn’t make up the patriarchy. Very backwards thinking to put that on feminist instead of the true source-patriarchy.

I think there def should be more women in the military and the way to that is more female generals and military leaders. Then watch as conscription just becomes gender neutral.

Don’t worry we’re well on our way at an unstoppable rate! More women than men are being university educated so it’s only a matter of time.

If you are for more women in the military you are a feminist yourself. Men don’t have the right to say no to war because of…dun dun dun-patriarchy!

This sub should just be combined with the feminist sub. You are feminists. 😜😜😜

Pencil-lamp · 2022-02-27T14:17:13+00:00

War is not about equality. In defending your nation from an invasion, you fight for the lives and livelihoods of your people. It logically follows that if men are heavily prioritized in the draft, they should receive additional compensation from society.

I too am Norwegian. I am used to “gender equality” with female preference, and I’m ~~more or~~ less fine with it. To me, this issue is mainly philosophical rather than practical. I don’t think I’d enjoy preferential treatment for my gender, nor do I think it would necessarily be better for society.

Life isn’t fair, sucks to suck.

spaceraverdk · 2022-02-27T14:56:46+00:00

Oddly enough.

The right to vote was inherently for the ones that had served a conscription period after the abolition of peasantry vs royalty.

That was the incentive of the day. Serve and you could vote for the democracy, get on the ballot etc.

Also took care of the petty politics..

Regardless of how you spin the game with brainwashed conscripts.

Ok_Medicine_7662 · 2022-02-27T19:34:55+00:00

If anybody tries forcing me or my fiance to fight against russia, I will make it my duty to kill that person and I will sacrifice my life for that cause.

Title	Should conscription be gender neutral?
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Date	February 26, 2022 5:41 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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