I watched the Redpill.

a-man-from-earth · 2022-03-13T00:01:13+00:00

there is just a continuous cycle of blaming the other gender/ calling each other the oppressor

There is only one side that does this. MRAs do not blame women. We just want equal rights.

Amazing_Rope_Police · 2022-03-13T01:50:21+00:00

But if that is the generally accepted history. Why don't modern people rally against capitalism?

They do, but generally, it's always been intentional division. Poor against middle class, women against men, black against white... Dividing people ensures that they always stay in perpetual infighting, and you can always control them.

Capitalism is just another red herring.

HadrianHoppe · 2022-03-13T13:47:05+00:00

I'm glad you enjoyed the movie... RIP Marc Angelucci... He was very important to the movement and most likely was murdered for his work...

The documentary is good, but they only mentioned in paasing the men's rights issue that is most important to me. Male genital mutilation (a.k.a. "male circumcision"). If you haven't looked into that issue yet please let me know and I'll provide you with links.

mikesteane · 2022-03-12T23:23:58+00:00

Why don't modern people rally against capitalism?

Because the twentieth century showed that the alternatives would result in dictatorship, economic disaster and millions of deaths.

Bluedude588 · 2022-03-13T03:38:15+00:00

Disappointed that there doesn’t seem to be many leftists here.

Acrobatic-Drawer-870 · 2022-03-13T09:39:16+00:00

Whether I get downvoted or people disagree with me ( which is okay ), majority of people in a movement look at the bad apples.

BLM: some look at it as a terrorist group MRM: A women-hating group Feminism: Man-hating group

They focus on the people who negatively impact other people than the ones who are doing things good for everyone. And each movement believes they are the victim. Whether it’s true or not.

AffectionatePapaya13 · 2022-03-12T23:24:39+00:00

If you think capitalism is bad, what would you propose the alternative be?

BellysideUp · 2022-03-13T01:28:22+00:00

Capitalism is your best friend if you want to keep the money you make.

EricAllonde · 2022-03-13T03:29:21+00:00

Capitalism is just a term that means "economic freedom".

There is nothing inherently anti-male in being able to choose your employer, being able to increase your earnings by learning new skills, being able to save your money and purchase investments, etc.

World history shows that socialism causes far more misery & suffering for men as well as women than capitalism does.

AndyBrown65 · 2022-03-12T23:28:53+00:00

Hatred is all about envy. With capitalism the poor hate the rich because they are envious that the rich have a better life and that is because they take advantage of the poor. Feminism is the same, feminists (I should probably say female chauvinists) hate men because they perceive they have a better life than women and this is because “the patriarchy” is used to suppress women and advance men at every step.

The one takeaway I hope you have taken from that movie is the double standard of men are supposed to site down and shut up to listen to women complain, but when men wish to express an issue we are ridiculed.

The movie just highlights the foundation of feminism is built on envy and hatred.

Mtd_elemental · 2022-03-13T17:18:58+00:00

Not everyone hates capitalism?

EsraYmssik · 2022-03-13T12:32:10+00:00

Why don't modern people rally against capitalism?

IDK... maybe it's because after the obvious failures of Marxism the left went down the rabbit hole of identity politics?

DitadorKostaline · 2022-03-13T02:32:17+00:00

Why don't modern people rally against capitalism?

The only people who blame capitalism are the ones who understand nothing about politics. Having profit oriented companies isn't wrong, striving for success isn't wrong. A system that allows for a free and competitive marked is the most fair and the one proving to be the most successful yet.

The problem relies on the lack of responsibility and accountability in people. It is always easier to blame others, to blame the environment, to blame anything but ourselves. In reallity, most of the scenarios could be different if we tried a bit harder. Sometimes we think we try hard until we see someone trying even harder and making us look like a fool. Would you be jealous of that person or fall in admiration?

Feminists are a bunch of frustrated women who blame men for their shortcomings. Meninists (the part of MRA that blames woman for their lack of success) are frustrated men who blame women for their shortcomings. The law needs to be fair. Whenever things are being judged against principle, there's imperfection and inequallity. Family court favours women, that should be the main fight. For women, I sincerely can't pick a topic where the law favours men, unless we go to the middle east or other places with similar values regarding men and women, not the ocidental world.

People need to stop playing the victim game, learn from the most successful and strive to be integral.

alclarkey · 2022-03-13T00:36:59+00:00

I don't rally against capitalism because while capitalism has it's flaws, the alternative is far, far, worse.

felipec · 2022-03-13T22:15:31+00:00

Because the masters of mankind don't like you looking up, and would rather have you looking left and right.

It's very conspicuous that Occupy Wall Street disappeared very fast, and we quickly got intersectional feminism, critical race theory, black lives matter, and the whole woke movement.

Now nobody is looking up, we are too busy fighting each other.

throwaway1x101 · 2022-03-13T03:49:26+00:00

Capitalism is what drives the world, if you want to fight against it you have to fight against the whole world.

Anih1list · 2022-03-13T06:42:12+00:00

You should be anti-capitalism. Anyway, men’s rights activism and feminism aren’t mutually exclusive. You’d just need to be able to handle the headache because each movement hates the other.

doomsday1021 · 2022-03-13T03:19:58+00:00

There’s nothing wrong with capitalism as a whole the misleading idea about capitalism being bad is the idea that is manipulated by socialist mostly where they see all these falling through cracks about many of the issue that might come from society through a capitalist structured society. The main problem is that capitalism is a system that isn’t focused on social issues but the economic structure of society. American socialists never pay attention to capitalism because they never work financially related industries most times and never see change effects happening to their pay based on their performance or their actual call and effect on them personally so they feel the need for social change to give themselves better living conditions or better pay grades. The problem is that when you devolve you’re whole logic on nothing but social issues you can easily degrade the actual sustainability of life for your society because you forget to balance what functions of capitalism functions for and you create too much restriction for capitalism to function. Again every society in the world uses capitalism. But for some reason socialist think socialist countries or European countries don’t use any form of capitalism because they fail to see function from the trade of the game. Problem is that there is too much red tape in the form of social policy in our society that it no longer becomes opportunistic for anyone to make any form of capital gain. 90% of all businesses crash and burn now while back 50 years ago you had a 60% chance of success with businesses statistically alone.

Mainly whenever you abuse government to give you shortcuts to better living you cause harder times for everyone. For example; Raise minimum wages = prices of all things to go up. Forcing businesses to make minimum wage go up will only cause the rest of society to suffer while yes they get paid more but no they will basically have to pay more for living materials such as food, housing, etc.

Patches0h00lihan · 2022-03-13T11:32:32+00:00

We're a mixed economy, maybe more socialist than capitalist at this point, which is why "capitalism" seems so difficult to everyone. That's why every rapidly diminishing dollar has to be taxed a hundred times over, to afford our absurdly bloated welfare state. This reality was voted in overwhelmingly by women, who happen to be the majority of voters in America.

DavidByron2 · 2022-03-13T01:43:01+00:00

It mentioned how it used to be society against capitalism

I don't remember where she says that?

I am not anti capitalism

Why the hell not?

Why don't modern people rally against capitalism?

People don't really understand what's going on because there's billions of dollars of propaganda, of which by the way, the funding of feminism is a big part. Feminism is a right wing movement that acts as a fifth column on the Left, pretends to be left but in reality applies standard divisive / bigoted right wing ideology on the left. So in America there's really no left but there's a bunch of pretend left which are paid by the government to fuck things up.

I mean look at this Ukraine war. Biden's a Nazi enabler. In general the US government has enabled Nazis since WW2 (Paperclip, Gladio) but specifically Biden was Obama's guy in Ukraine to pay, arm and train Nazis to overthrow the government in 2014. Eight years later the Nazis are running the show for Biden now. But you had so-called "progressives" backing the Nazi enabler Biden in part because they were told in the state two minutes of hate, that Trump was associated with Nazis.

Media has a hook in people's nose. You got people clamoring for WW3 right now.

Back in the 60s the FBI hatched a scheme to pump money into feminism as a means to undermine the socialists because they observed that feminists were a divisive element in the left. They grew them like a cancer. Women have generally been more conservative than men because men are by nature (biology) more risk takers and also because elites see (correctly) women are not a threat to them through violent revolution, but men are. Male disposability is simply class warfare. Feminism is class warfare.

But she doesn't say any of this in the video. She only interviews the right wing / Libertarian MRA with the exception of Warren Farrell who's a feminist but I don't think he's right wing -- probably why they kicked him out. Libertarian MRA don't see the big picture because of their class politics. They think society hates on men just because. Like an accident.

UnfurtletDawn · 2022-03-13T02:06:48+00:00

Capitalism is in no way perfect. But we don't live in pure capitalism either. People pay taxes that are then used for various services. Police, military, roads...

It's basically capitalism with an ounce of socialism.

And that the people gather wealth for generations is kinda false. Most wealth disappears with a few generations. Wealthy people are more supceptible to gambling and drug use in large....

A staggering 70 percent of wealthy families lose their wealth by the next generation, with 90 percent losing it the generation after that.

Yes there are some issues that need to be dealt with. For example people hoarding property. This could be at least partly reduced by making a tax for property without someone living in...

Universal healthcare is great but doctors won't get paid that much and nurses as well. Hospitals would have less money... And with the rising obesity it would need a high % of salary a lot.

Those things aren't as easy as anti-capitalists say.

And there is a big chunk of mostly college students advocating for communism and socialism. Which is moronic. It sounds good on paper but in reality it limps on both legs.

marfzzz · 2022-03-13T07:27:52+00:00

I am impressed how people can link oppressor opressed schema with capitalism. Oppressor oppressed are things defined by Karl Marx, father of socialism 😁

KochiraJin · 2022-03-13T05:42:37+00:00

Have you watched Cassie Jaye's TedX talk? That's a good watch too.

I think there are plenty of people who rally against capitalism. They just tend to mix it with other ideologies. BLM, Queer theory and some branches of feminism all have ties to marxist ideology. It's just that they substitute something else for the proletariat and the bourgeoisie.

mordin1428 · 2022-03-13T13:12:09+00:00

I thought I was in a community for mens' rights, not a red pill circlejerk wtf

maxandmerle · 2022-03-13T04:42:31+00:00

My view is mra and feminism are just as bad as each other. Neither want equality.

thatspositive · 2022-03-13T00:09:42+00:00

for anyone who is interested in a good criticism of TRP

part 2

Edit: very interesting this was downvoted with no one prepared to comment a reason why

2022-03-13T02:52:43+00:00

Modern people did rally against capitalism, it's called National Socialism... They literally had 15-35+ year technology leaps depending on the technology...

And now everyone condenses it to 'Nazi's are bad, mmmmkay?'

PaulfussKrile · 2022-03-13T03:57:57+00:00

There are modern people rallying against capitalism, but instead of it being for the greater good, it’s for the benefit of the elite, which doesn’t sound particularly anti-capitalist. Besides, capitalism is historically the only system that has allowed us to not only survive, but also prosper long-term. Sure, it may not be without its flaws, but I’ll take it over any proposed alternative.

dath_bane · 2022-03-13T05:35:14+00:00

That's not a big elaborated masterplan of the 1%/the bougeoisie. It's more about finding any other scapegoat. It can also be immigrants or old ppl or poc. They control the media, so they can silence the voices criticising them.

Huffers1010 · 2022-03-13T11:46:22+00:00

One thing I would (gently) pick you up on is the phrase "mra vs feminism." Neither the terms "men's rights activist" or "feminist" are particularly well defined in practice, given anyone is free to consider him or herself an example of either. Still, I don't think it's necessarily a case of one versus the other and I would prefer to avoid increasing the sense of conflict here.

A classical feminist, someone who actually believes that feminism is about equality for everyone, and for a meaningful definition of "equality," should have nothing to fear from someone campaigning for men's rights, nor vice versa. They should both end up believing more or less the same thing.

Of course in practice this gets sticky because the kind of people who actually adopt those labels tend to be activists who approach the subject from a position of already perceiving some sort of problem, but really, let's avoid making this a "versus" situation. The last thing we need is more heat.

Aran82 · 2022-03-13T12:24:22+00:00

Most of the people I know who want to rally against Capitalism are also mass consumers who want the latest iPhone. This whole struggle is against those that produce and the infinitely larger number of people who whilst unproductive are consumers and feel they are entitled to the money and status of the producers. Boiled down just jealousy on how the fruits of capitalism is produced.

dojoboy · 2022-03-13T12:44:36+00:00

The bigger evil is class. Essentially, we still live within a feudal-like system, just with more freedoms and representation for the lowest level. The truth behind the rise of identity politics is it serves the status quo, rather than, for example, organized movements made of diverse peoples pushing for social and economic improvements across the board. The last notable person who attempted uniting poor Americans (e.g. black and white) was assassinated. MLK, Jr.

Darkwolf90 · 2022-03-13T16:40:50+00:00

It's stems from the fact that people are overwhelmingly self-centered and movements form at "lowest common denominator". Almost every movement has ended up being directed by people who sought to create an environment best suited to them due to the way that seeking power as an action itself "filters" for those who can successfully manipulate and corrupt; Isn't "power" generally what one seeks from their leader? People who genuinely wish to help "their people"; Realize the whole "rule for thee but not for me" is B.S. that guarantees at some point someone will justify switching places again at some point and does nothing to logically argue against the oppression creating a situation in which they'll be able to make roughly the same claims and arguments that you made; "hamstring" their own behaviors leading to a lower probability of success and given the fact that even individually corrupt, immoral actors will act in unintended synchronicity as they have a common threat to their "profit" it's less a "conspiracy" so much as similar people seeking similar goals lead to small individual actions adding to more than would generally occur to most; "It adds up". You end up in a situation in which movements are inherently deteriorating due to human nature. Many of these movements when you break it down and talk to an individual they will tend to be more reasonable yet they will continue to support this movement since they believe no one else will stand with them against very real issues and don't tend to be as concerned with the "big picture" or even the entirety of the movement itself so much as being ardently attached to a few of the issues the movement claims to fight against. The main issue is just human nature and its effect on language, a "Man" is X/Y and genetics is nearly entirely probabilistic meaning a "Man" should be a simple description of what chromosomes your genetic structure is made of and yet due to people treating probabilities as deterministic, Your treated not by your own actions but by the average of groups they conceive of you belonging to. Which leads people to think being a Man or Woman has anything to do with your genitalia despite that fact its a probabilistic expression of chromosomes it's entirely possible and has occurred that X/X's are born with penises and vice versa. It leading to what should be and is regarded as a simple concept ending up being far more complicated and have correlative properties attached that are treated as causal. Classic bait and switch in communication.

uhave2tellifuracop · 2022-03-13T19:09:36+00:00

The "puppet masters" must create sex, race, political divisions or we might actually unite and project our rage towards the oligarchy.

Wubalubadubdubbiatch · 2022-03-13T19:46:57+00:00

I rather continue living in this Timeline rather than one were capitalism is under attack, i might feel like my rights as a man are being violated but it's better than starving

iomproidhmeala · 2022-03-14T10:51:28+00:00

As a guy who grew up in an old style feminist family, I understood that feminism want about having an equal number of representatives in the boardroom but getting rid of it entirely. It's now just sad seeing my family be so blinded to what feminism has become.

Icyx · 2022-03-17T12:12:13+00:00

This history-- is the reason I won't join OP, singing 'Capitalism is the real enemy'...

The original Karl Marx version of Communism was strictly about cold hard cash money wealth. The 'oppressors' vs. 'oppressed' were Rich vs. Poor.

But, when put into practice, Marx's 'scientific communism' predictions didn't match reality. Poor people were Richer in Capitalist countries, than poor people in Communist countries. And-- rather than 'rising up' in 'revolution' to 'smash the system' the Poor just wanted... a pay raise, slightly-better working conditions, nicer stuff to buy, etc.

Rather than say 'Wow, I guess CAPITALISM ISN'T THE PROBLEM after-all'... intellectual leftists (such as the Frankfurt school, and post-modernists) still viewed 'Capitalism' as evil.

But they changed Marx's formula-- so that the Oppressors vs. Oppressed were sorted other-ways. Such as Males vs. Females with Patriarchy as the new evil-system. Or whites vs. non-whites with Colonialism as the new evil-system. Or Privileged vs. Woke with Normal as the new evil-system. (Normal pronouns, normal parenting, normal working class people, normal... everything)

Marx's THIS vs. THAT 'dialectic' is broken, no-matter what you plug into-it.

And going-back to "Capitalism is the real enemy" is just repeating a previous brainfart.

And the (leftist, progressive, feminist) intellectuals who drove us the whole-way here... are either denying they were wrong... or... at-most: 'Oops, I guess I made One Wrong Turn... but I should still be the driver.'

And I don't agree.

Ari9000plus · 2022-04-18T08:40:45+00:00

There are a dozen other "evils" that get ignored. Why do you get to decide which one is the biggest? You can't substitute a totally different debate, encompassing a totally different subject and set of ideologies, because you are confused about something completely different and specific. This is what about ism to the extreme. Ok so what about the problem of death? People die, that seems like a problem...we should ignore everything we don't understand and focus on fixing death, which we also don't understand. It's total nonsense.

Title	I watched the Redpill.
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