M/ in a LTR Essentially. Almost all Women Love Bad Behavior but Condemn it at the Same Time - And Literally Change Their Narrative From Week to Week

wtknight · 2023-04-02T13:39:44+00:00

Flaired CMV as this post is making an affirmative claim

CimZim · 2023-04-02T11:05:53+00:00

As a woman who leans red (not in a tradcon red pill woman way, more a mgtow way) I'm just going to say the redpill stuff is helpful in some areas and not in others. It's good for general discussions but can fall apart at the individual level. You gotta take a step back from it now and then to maintain good mental health.

Doesthisevenmatter7 · 2023-04-02T10:59:35+00:00

Im gonna be honest with you as someone’s who’s in a Loving LTR who also sides with Red pill on most issues. Don’t get to deep in with Red pill stuff bro. On one hand it works you follow it and improve yourself you will sleep with more women atleast that was my experience.

However, what they don’t tell ya is your gonna miss out on a lot of relationship girls on the way. There is quite a few beautiful girls out there who will date a regular guy their same age at the same point of life as them. I’m proof of that right now. Actually technically financially we’re not equal but that only started a couple months ago with my new job before we were and it’s been a couple years. But, these girls don’t like heavy red pill guys at all, so really you got to find a happy balance between the red pill fuck boy and the simp if the LTR with a normal girl is your goal. I will also admit girls like my girlfriend don’t seem to be very common tho, so that may not be the best advice for the majority of woman.

Now on the other hand if your goal is just to fuck girls. Jump in, head first, Olympic dive literally. I don’t care what any woman on this sub says. When it comes to sleeping with girls Red pill is 100% right treating them worse works WAY better. I don’t get it. It makes no sense to me but the whole trying to be there friend and getting to know them bullshit that woman always say we should do on here is a big fat lie. It does not work I’ve tried and so many others have too. They will use you for attention and/or resources and waste your time 99% of the time and that’s just facts.

PeopleAreLegitDemons · 2023-04-02T11:14:22+00:00

women pick men

they will do anything for him, tolerate him, they just don't care, women basically take on the role of "nice guy traditional simp beta provider initiator" for a man they basically love at first sight, they will basically throw money at you and say "i love you" like 8 times a day for no reason. there's zero struggling in the relationship, and I mean ZERO unless she just doens't put out then that could forseeably lead to issues.

in turn the guy just doesn't care cause he doesn't have to "try"

if u got to spent like more than 2 seconds thinking about why u struggle with women, i think we already know the answer.

Perfect-Resist5478 · 2023-04-02T11:14:53+00:00

So are you the clown? Cuz by your own admission you’re not the guy who’s “pretty handsome and smart who could give them a loving relationship” cuz you say you’ve been playing your girl for 2 years by not being honest and fully committing to her

Common_Passenger_335 · 2023-04-02T11:28:51+00:00

Why do you choose not to fully commit to your partner, but refuse to be transparent about your lack of commitment? If you put expectations that you have of women around you on your partner, she should technically leave you, because you are exhibiting what you call bad behaviour.

Mistress-Eve- · 2023-04-02T11:43:30+00:00

“I’ve refused to fully commit to the girl I’m dating” for 2 years, and “sort of love her but if it ends… eh whatever”

Vs

“Most women are literally emotionally mentally handicapped”

???? Actually I think that would be you

Freethinker312 · 2023-04-02T12:25:41+00:00

I have many female friends. Almost none of them are in proper relationships.

Well, your own anecdote proves nothing. A lot of people around me are in proper relationships. Probably because I live in a healthier culture/surrounding with regards to relationships than you. You should know, there are people who live in a different way than you, with another mindset and other beliefs. What you believe about life, influences the way you live, and thus influences the outcomes you get in life...

Sometimes even physically unavailable men (one has been dating a guy in his forties. Who’s a virgin because of his Jehovas witness religion and won’t have sex with her because of it and lost his job because he refused to get the COVID vaccine because of religion and still doesn’t have a new job and lives with his mom and he barely worked his old job to begin with)

So this goes against the narrative of red pill that women only go for the "top x percent" of men, right? What is even the point you want to make with it? It's always women's fault, whether they date "chad" or a jobless man who lives with his mother? If they want to date men with a stable job, they are looking for money because of "hypergamy" and they only love opportunistically, and if they don't care about a man's job they are stupid?

I feel like most women are literally ‘emotionally mentally handicapped’ or something. Sure plenty of men are idiots. Get friend zoned. Pay for only fans. Etc.

So women are "emotionally mentally handicapped" because lots of men aren't emotional available? If much more women than men do want to be in a committed relationship, of course some women will struggle to find reliable men. Simply a matter of demand and supply. Just like guys complaining that women don't want casual sex with them. But of course "women bad"....

But a lot of the men I know are legit based in way the women simply aren’t.

"legit based"?? What does that even mean?

The only thing that alters is at times I feel more cynical about women than others. I feel especially cynical right now. But at the same time I’ve felt much more cynical in the past.

Well, with such an attitude it's pretty much impossible to build a loving, stable relationship. However, you also don't seem to want that. What is it that you want, and why are you complaining about women not having proper relationships, when you don't want a proper relationship yourself?

Conversely, I’ve refused to fully commit to the girl I’m dating. I think she’s convinced herself I’m fully committed even though I’ve always skirted around the being official tag.

You refuse to commit to her, but you use her while she thinks/hopes you are (kind of) committed to her, and when she will find out you wasn't committed, you blame her? If she is dumb and naive, it's clearly you who is acting bad in a moral way by taking advantage of her. But probably you are cynical about morals too, right?

And meanwhile guys are just becoming cynical even a lot who can get laid easily.

By what kind of women? Either women who are unfortunately a bit naive and can be betrayed by you, or women who don't care. You attract certain women and than think that the women you attract are representative for all women on earth or in "the west". Ever heard of sampling bias?

Most women aren’t very feminine or nurturing. Have light to heavy substance and pharmaceutical dependencies. Are stand offish or inconsistent or just low key go off the deep end pretty often.

Duh. Why should feminine and nurturing women have to date you? What should attract them to a cynical guy who looks down on women dating them and despises them for sleeping with him? What should attract them to a guy who takes advantage of other women when he gets the opportunity? Of course they stay away from you. It seems you don't know what you want.

Yes a lot of men have become degenerate porn watching video game addicts. But given how things often are, I can hardly blame them sometimes. Don’t get me wrong though, I still look down on them but yeah.

Ah, of course, because "women bad". Women should take responsibility, but men, no it's totally understandable, right... If women don't date guys who watch degenerate porn, it's women's fault that the guys need such trash and if women would date such guys, it's women's fault that they date emotional unavailable men. Either way, it's women's fault right?

Long-Significance871 · 2023-04-02T15:49:59+00:00

If there is someone emotionally disabled, here is your friend hahaha, read your post again, a little self-criticism would not hurt you 😉

BigVulvaEnergy · 2023-04-02T17:55:40+00:00

Yes, there's usually drama when you refuse to have conversations around commitment and skirt around the issue.

Literally creating this narrative you speak.

You're the bad behavior, and they don't love it. That's why there is drama.

Safinated · 2023-04-02T14:46:30+00:00

A perfect example of “an anecdote is not data”

Perfect_Sir4820 · 2023-04-02T14:43:35+00:00

Have light to heavy substance and pharmaceutical dependencies.

Just about every woman I know is on some sort of prescribed mood-altering medication. Its really quite incredible.

LocalDegenerate123 · 2023-04-02T15:37:37+00:00

Seriously OP? Reread your paragraph and tell us you're not making a fool out of yourself.

Zestyclose_Truth9999 · 2023-04-02T11:55:45+00:00

Almost all Women Love Bad Behavior

Disagree.

Sure, there are some women that enjoy the ego boost that dating a "bad boy" gives them, but these women definitely aren't the norm.

I feel like most of these girls are ignoring some guy who’s probably pretty handsome and smart who could give them a loving relationship to go on with this clownish situation ship nonsense

Are you implying your situationship is clownish nonsense, too? 👀

The girls that want the handsome, clever guys go for the handsome, clever guys. Some RPers may try to convince you that all women are vying for a "bad boy" Chad that treats them terribly, and won't give decent guys a chance. Some BPers may try to tell you that women are above prioritising looks and career potential in their men, and that only men are shallow.

They're both crap takes.

Handsome, clever men that are offering loving relationships — in other words, attractive men with great career potential that want loving monogamy — are top-shelf men to many, many women.

They're not exactly handing them out at your local ALDI, so either your circle comprises people that solely want casual sex or these "handsome and smart" guys are selectively invisible.

Barneysparky · 2023-04-02T11:29:42+00:00

The Jehovah Witnesses have openly come out as pro-vax and even helped run vaccine programs in remote locations. Unless there is an offshoot sect in a red state that's a Huge hole in your story right there.

lacuti3 · 2023-04-02T10:56:04+00:00

I don’t hesitate to speak bad on women’s nature and this idea that all women only want bad boys is really cringey. Like autistic 🤮

bootyhunter69420 · 2023-04-02T12:59:33+00:00

But we are called incels for pointing out that some women literally go out of their way to pick bad partners

MediumBaseball5339 · 2023-04-02T10:56:25+00:00

Way too many generalisations here.

By being part of the red pill ideology, over time, you have LEARNED some false ideas about women, how they think, and their intelligence. You have been taught that, as a man, you know better than women because they are XYZ. It’s going to take you time and lots of active practice to UNLEARN. You have to challenge the ideas you have built around why you don’t respect them in the first place.

Then, you have to LEARN how to view women in a more realistic light. This means you also have to accept that all women are individual people who have different and varying sets of values, beliefs, and upbringings. You can acknowledge “my sister was right about this, but she has been wrong about other things”, just like sometimes you are right about some things and wrong about other things. We’re all human here.

When you start to see women as individual humans instead of a hive-mind, you can start acknowledging the many different traits people have that you can also learn from. Example: if I’m having trouble with certain math calculations at work, I go to “Jenny” because she has the most experience with these numbers and I know math is one of her academic strong suits. If I need advice on where to get a good steak, I ask “Ted” because I know he loves grilling often and is a bit of a steak foodie/connoisseur, but if I want a good burrito I ask “Natalie” because she learned to cook carne asada from her Mexican grandmother and I trust her judgment.

Basically spend more time with different women, in non romantic/sexual contexts, so you can actually see them as individual people with different valuable traits. Literally everyone is different and has different things to offer the world, so why shouldn’t it apply to women?

Where the damage happens is the hive mind that being in the same community day in day out causes. All guys here congregate in the same online communities where women bashing is a thing. One look at the incel forums and we can see how far gone they are to resorting in calling women foids and toilets despite ever having talked to one. How can anyone there learn anything if all they ever do is repeat the same actions every day? But I digress. There's too much to say and so little time.

Stunning_Thing4208 · 2023-04-02T11:25:54+00:00

I think everything you're saying has a lot to do with the age range in which you're at

NationalistGoy · 2023-04-02T15:05:54+00:00

It feels like every month or week they have some drama with the guy their dating or situationship or friends with where it’s obvious things are never going to be the way they want it to be. Yet it usually just goes on.

I've become apathetic to it. Women's drama with their partners is tiresome and fruitless to me, and it's not good for anybody to involve themselves in that sort of drama.

Have you noticed women don't leave the partners with whom they have drama? They love it, maybe not in a conscious way but it's true.

PatienceOk3159 · 2023-04-02T19:43:55+00:00

I feel many of the responses I’ve gotten here are way too harsh.

First off: I openly communicated for ages it was an open relationship. Until eventually she started making up a narrative that it was something else.

I’ve seen so many women who I’m friends with (not friends with the guys they’re seeing) do this. It’s laughable.

I’ll listen to the problems if I’m bored - But at this point I’m just like “Oh wow” and “No way!”

Of course this is a generalization but it’s just something I’ve observed.

LocalDegenerate123 · 2023-04-02T15:44:03+00:00

This sub loves to post their anecdotes and made them as the 100% irrefutable facts.

Many-ecom233 · 2023-04-02T17:32:23+00:00

100% facts

Flashy-Country-800 · 2023-04-02T21:45:16+00:00

It’s unfortunate that your girlfriend met you, I guess.

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toasterchild · 2023-04-02T17:17:59+00:00

You particularly date women who can be manipulated but then get cynical because most of your interactions with women make you think women are dumb... sounds dumb. If you want to respect the people you date have higher standards about the type of people you date?

Backas_Before_Work · 2023-04-02T18:27:08+00:00

It’s crazy how you’re down playing your relationship now when you freely admitted to dating her in your porn addiction post in your history. Is this the bad behaviour of yours she’s condemning in your case? Your inability to satisfy her?

This surely wouldn’t be another case of a red pilled dudes telling lies so they can circle jerk over them.

Almost all women are like that right?

Waste_Conference1531 · 2023-04-02T19:09:08+00:00

What question are you asking or comment are you even making? How do men honestly view themselves as the logical gender it blows my mind. Anyway, the “emotionally handicapped” one here is you. Grow as a person

ashleyrose56 · 2023-04-02T21:34:32+00:00

You've been playing for 2 years with the woman you're with but somehow women are to blame for dating emotionally unavailable men. Then... You look down on your own girl for being dumb by dating you for 2 years without giving her the title of a girlfriend? 🤡

Maybe you are surrounding yourself with party girls who date players like you but most of the girls I know are in LTR with good men.

social_mule · 2023-04-02T21:43:58+00:00

one has been dating a guy in his forties. Who’s a virgin because of his Jehovas witness religion and won’t have sex with her because of it and lost his job because he refused to get the COVID vaccine because of religion and still doesn’t have a new job and lives with his mom and he barely worked his old job to begin with

I was raised in this fucking cult. Completely off topic but tell your friend to run for her life. These people are fucked, fucked, fucked up.

Over_Noise3530 · 2023-04-03T04:34:49+00:00

So here you are getting easy pussy yet you are resentful of it because the women won't settle down and sign a mortgage with a guy they don't find attractive. Shame on you. You should be grateful.

I'm not sure why you're complaining about women being standoffish. If we're standoffish it's because we're protecting ourselves. A smart woman isn't going to be an open book to a guy they've known for a month or less. You don't deserve it especially if you don't plan on committing to these girls

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