Feminists are starting a gender war by not having children or marrying, so why cant we as well?

kit-kat315 · 2024-04-01T14:23:43+00:00

I think people who don't want to marry shouldn't. And people who don't want to have children really shouldn't. Regardless of gender.

Grand_Ad_864 · 2024-04-01T15:04:08+00:00

It's called MGTOW. And it already got some steam. But then people got offended and it was banned on reddit and remains heavily censored on platforms like youtube.

When men do it, it is bad and needs to be censored.

When women do it, it is great and needs to be celebrated.

smh

sanitaryinspector · 2024-04-01T15:04:26+00:00

That's half mgtowism. Anyway in the mistress of the inn, the voluntary celibate knight (portrayed as a misogynist) is teased and converted to sexual desire by the hurt in the feelings mistress, who is considered brave and stunning despite interfering with a person's sexuality so to satisfy her own ego and self entitlement.

The North on our world's compass is that a woman can shame a man for not knowing she doesn't want to date men, while a man can be shamed for not wanting to date women

Advanced_Choice_7997 · 2024-04-01T14:24:34+00:00

Men need to stop marrying because marriage is an institution inherently sexist against men. We need real reform to treat men as human beings.

krackedy · 2024-04-01T14:24:52+00:00

No one is making you get married and have kids. You can make the choice just like them.

waverunnr · 2024-04-01T15:55:23+00:00

I mean, the planet has over 8 billion people. Many are hungry and homeless. Besides not wanting to die alone, is there really any other reasons to have children now?

fuckthemoddsofreddit · 2024-04-01T20:37:25+00:00

Cant choose to not marry when nobody is interested in the first place.

Ziodyne967 · 2024-04-01T19:30:46+00:00

If they don’t want to have kids, then don’t. Kids are a full on job and the amount of effort you gotta put in is staggering.

Spins13 · 2024-04-01T14:27:07+00:00

I would say that it is good news that they do not reproduce. More often that not though, it is not a choice but a coping mechanism

Aggravating-Walk-309 · 2024-04-01T14:44:59+00:00

Men don’t want to get married in order to avoid getting divorced. 80% of divorces are filed by women. Women aren’t looking for love, they are looking for money they steal from you

CheezitCheeve · 2024-04-01T19:58:17+00:00

By and large, most men are. Studies have shown that 63% of men from 18-29 are single, and of that sizable statistic, 66% don’t date. They aren’t looking for a spouse and are happier single than miserable trying to date.

stuputtu · 2024-04-01T20:12:11+00:00

It just works itself out. People who don't want to have kids will do this and successfully remove such gene from the gene pool. Why worry about this.

Felarhin · 2024-04-01T20:35:52+00:00

The male equivalent of a woman refusing to marry or have children is refusing to work and deciding to go be homeless or do the least amount possible.

TwinkGapingHole · 2024-04-01T22:03:37+00:00

Isn't this basically MGTOW?

AaViOnBando · 2024-04-02T01:09:17+00:00

They're really doing this nowadays in the west?? As what?? Revenge for what?😂

I've seen women that don't want to have kids by choice, but that wasn't because they wanted to prove a stupid point to somebody.

Western society is beyond stupid, come to Balkans.

I_survived_childhood · 2024-04-02T01:20:29+00:00

The best thing about these movements is the ideology eventually dies when they die.

MrAnonPoster · 2024-04-02T03:21:10+00:00

Nobody other than men who cant get a date cares about men not marrying and not having children.

Equivalent-Car-5280 · 2024-04-01T16:10:59+00:00

Wait. Men are the gate keepers to marriage, NOT WOMEN. That's all it is. They don't like that men are saying no to marriage so now they are pretending it's them saying no. As usual. They need to " win " 🙄

waszwhis · 2024-04-01T22:17:09+00:00

It was called mgtow (what, 6 years ago?). Now we have passport bros. These ideas come and go on both sides.

EndrosShek · 2024-04-02T04:19:14+00:00

Wrong way to go about it. Either find traditional women in one's home country or look overseas to the east or south. Get on online marriage sites that are international. Or make some friends from overseas online or go take a vacation. Once people know you they are more than happy to play matchmaker.

Let the toxic and combative western women stew in their lonliness or find guys with mommy issues they can abuse.

Nothing angers them more than seeing a happy couple where the girl is supportive and helpful or if the girl is foreign. The same venom from older women when you are with a younger woman. They don't want you to have choices...but you do.

Work hard. Stay or get in shape. Avoid overindulging in toxic junk food or alcohol. Enjoy your hobbies with your buddies. Learn a new skill. Don't let the mentally ill feminist beasts drag you down. Marry an eager woman from a good family and raise happy sons and daughters.

SecTeff · 2024-04-02T07:56:15+00:00

I think the solution is to try and end the gender war by looking at how we work together.

Mirroring feminists gender hate is not the way I think we should go at all.

We have to take the higher ground and show how men and women can strive for equality based on the principle of equality. That both men and women face different inequalities and should work together to resolve them.

Having menism or feminism is part of the problem we should have universal principles and rights that apply to everyone

karn39393939 · 2024-04-02T10:19:50+00:00

Feminism is nothing but a power grab. Angry women that want to punish men. Women have always held the keys when it comes to sex. Access to sex. Men have always controlled the keys to access of relationships. It's just another attempt for women to gain power. It is also another distraction being caused to hide the other nastiness of the world. And by not staying United both men and women, the ones doing this are getting what they want

PrinceArchie · 2024-04-01T16:50:15+00:00

Just because they dont want to marry you or have children doesnt mean there wont be women who dont want to have sex with you. Also I think the whole thing is overblown to a degree. Abstaining from any from of traditional relationship with men for life is an absurd thing to even consider, thats a level of isolation that I dont think many women can even justify in their own lives. You dont need to wage a war on women or get back at them, just be less idealistic and more opportunistic. It does seem to be the case that the guys who struggle the most with women wanting to separate themselves are the guys who feel a moral obligation to maintain a traditional foundation with women in general. These women exist so theres no need to panic but even if they did not, theres no reason to die on that moral hill. You stand nothing to lose, women do.

cryptonyt2 · 2024-04-01T17:25:30+00:00

Why do we, as men, really care? If some women want to not have kids or not get married or not be in relationships, c’est la vie.

ElGuero1717 · 2024-04-02T06:31:19+00:00

Western women aren't worth marrying anyway. Go to southeast asia. I'm getting married this summer to a wonderful filipina. Men go where they are appreciated.

NinjaSelect3581 · 2024-04-01T14:58:43+00:00

Many years ago I read a book on archeological finds from the Mayans. Apparently, they were aware of this: that society would implode once women had taken control. It was pretty much inevitable because (many) women have never considered men human - it only took this long for enough of us to realize it. The only hope I have for humanity is that this movement may be a manifestation of narcissism, and that empathic women do in fact exist and are capable of accepting (empathic) men as human. This book may be unorthodox or controversial (“11:59”), but it seems to shed a different light on the root of narcissism - fwiw.

Independent-Dot4633 · 2024-04-01T15:17:03+00:00

We have options like sexdolls and we can always invest on ourselves rather than having children. We should start this movement as soon as possible.

LeftcelInflitrator · 2024-04-01T15:48:36+00:00

I think we already have, and this is their way of spinning it to show that they're still jn control. It's very cliché but women control sex and men control commitment. Any single man that has a decent job could go out and marry a single mother tomorrow. They'd likely be miserable but they could do it. The fact that they won't means they're rejecting these and other women that are too dysfunctional. So women are reacting my saying the reason they're single is because they rejected you!

Also I think it's delusional to think women will stop having sex collectively to any degree. And if they don't stop having sex they'll still have children. Hope I'm wrong, I think more sexually active women should plan their parenthoods.

tilldeathdoiparty · 2024-04-01T21:26:52+00:00

I don’t get why the women who have chosen this lifestyle are representing woman as a whole, they do not.

I don’t get how their decisions affect yours, they do not.

There are plenty of good women out there, we are fighting against the bad ones, or we become them by limping the entire group as a whole.

Do what ever you want, but going around spiting the women that would never care about your opinion isn’t the way to get things done, be you and spread positivity and it will find you.

Holiday_Spread_5162 · 2024-04-01T22:56:26+00:00

Because that is exactly what they want. A reactionary movement.

FullTea4421 · 2024-04-01T23:13:02+00:00

Because we are more lonely gender

Substantial_Bar_8476 · 2024-04-01T23:49:31+00:00

Not really there’s lots of sperm donors if they want a child. But we are over populated at the moment.

seanma99 · 2024-04-02T00:59:39+00:00

Damn, the amount of people in this comment section that have no understanding of the 4B movement is wild. Use your phone for some actual research for once it's not that hard. Also look into South Koreas variation of the one child policy. This isn't something that just happened overnight.

Fit424 · 2024-04-02T08:45:41+00:00

This is already a thing. Men are avoiding relationships because the risk is greater than the reward. Women are already getting baby daddies with no intent to use them for more than a donor. We don't need more people doing bad things for society as a whole. The world is full of destroyers and too few builders. We need to fix what is broken and cut out the cancers so we can heal and become back to reality.

lennoxlyt · 2024-04-02T08:51:09+00:00

Nothing stopping guys from doing so.

drtapp39 · 2024-04-02T11:10:14+00:00

Yeahh they don't determine who gets married

EOD_Bad_Karma · 2024-04-01T17:52:32+00:00

I mean, cool? Let them be single moms if that’s what makes them happy.

You don’t like them? Don’t date them. Problem solved.

djc_tech · 2024-04-01T19:32:21+00:00

I mean why complain? They pulled themselves out of the dating pool so you don’t have to worry about them . That’s a bonus for men, and it just makes your life easier - you wouldn’t want to date them anyways.

Work on bettering yourself and getting wealthy as possible, then you find women who won’t be screeching feminist harpies.

AK47WithScope · 2024-04-01T20:30:28+00:00

Nobody is putting a gun on your head and forcing you to marry, still I think we shouldn't take such a lunatic philosophy like feminism as a good example.

AriochBloodbane · 2024-04-01T20:57:56+00:00

You guys seem to forget that in many western countries nowadays you don’t even need to marry to be forced to pay half of all you have to your ex, as long as you shared a home for some time… de facto relationships give women almost the same rights as marriage 🤷‍♂️

BurnAfterEating420 · 2024-04-01T15:57:00+00:00

Feminists are starting a gender war by not having children or marrying, so why cant we as well?

I don't see this ever becoming widespread enough to be a problem.

Women are never going to line up and volunteer to work for a living, pay their own bills and raise their children out of their own pocket. The current system is entirely biased in women's favor, they're not giving that up

masonbellamy · 2024-04-01T16:38:30+00:00

Just stop. These make the problems worse.

SirComandante · 2024-04-01T16:40:36+00:00

If some women really hate men that much, don't even bother trying to convince them. Just let them go and find women that actually like men.

BigChief302 · 2024-04-01T15:01:56+00:00

If they want to end up lonely cat ladies then that is on them

LoopyPro · 2024-04-01T15:43:44+00:00

MGTOW is already a thing and it's under huge scrutiny.

Maverick-_1 · 2024-04-01T16:36:33+00:00

Those women would misuse the "collective beta male" as approximately 70% of taxes already used for them.

That's very severe, not co-evolved for debasing of formerly needed individual male material support the 3 PC's), same with predominantly police what by far mostly only leaves parental Investment.

Women seem totally ignorant about their incompetence and statistics on that also there. E.g. boasting about upbringing despite objective very severe issues, etc..

crodr014 · 2024-04-01T16:55:14+00:00

Isn’t that the mgtow thing?

Acceptable-Tip3386 · 2024-04-01T21:15:13+00:00

their uterus can be renamed to uterust

Streaker4TheDead · 2024-04-01T21:42:13+00:00

I'd recommend that everybody avoids marriage and children.

Hopeless0341 · 2024-04-01T15:31:46+00:00

Marriage can be a bad liability for men especially if your the breadwinner, I’m just appalled how bad the gender war has become, genders need each other every human that exists was created by a man and birthed by a woman. This division it’s just crazy to me how bad it is

Adventurous_Name_508 · 2024-04-01T15:45:49+00:00

It's better if they don't. They need to die off.

ClassicMaleficent495 · 2024-04-02T14:29:40+00:00

South Korea has a serious problem with women deciding that they don't wanna reproduce or get married. Fine, but can we clarify who gets the peninsula upon their demise? Demography is destiny.
For all you atheist/secular armchair philophers, can you see the existential dilemma that a materialistic scientific analysis yields with the most basic questions that Mankind faces? Like, what is Man and what is our purpose? Can we define our our purposes? Can reason alone give us answers? Does reason alone give any answers to what is our purpose and how shall we live and why should we live at all? Should we reproduce? Why or why not? Should we commit mass suicide? Why or why not? Should we do anything other than sit under a tree contemplating our navels? Or should we go to war incessantly seeking power? Does human flourishing matter to an insignificant collection of atoms, or is that idea of human flourishing just a stupid survival instinct that we can dismiss based on a rationalistic analysis? Why should I give in to instincts or a biological imperative? I can choose! Freedom of choice! We can choose mass extinction!

mpaes98 · 2024-04-02T14:30:30+00:00

If you want kids, the best option is adoption imo. The only problem is the adoption process has been made ridiculous under current laws, and of course favors single women over single men.

mrkanu · 2024-04-02T15:04:31+00:00

People who dont want to marry and have children do that. Both men and women are doing that silently. It is simply that some women are making a lot of noise on them about making this choice. It looks more like an effort for seeking attention and validation. The fact is no one cares about their choices. In fact it is good that such individuals are eliminating themselves and their genes from the population. They are doing a service to humanity.

Dependent_Active_944 · 2024-04-02T18:55:26+00:00

Feminists extincting themselves? That’s awesome.

FunSpunGirl · 2024-04-02T19:32:50+00:00

I don't know of any woman upset when a man doesn't marry or have children. You've met women who are upset by that? I also don't know any women who have chosen not to have children and not to marry who feel superior because of it. It's a personal choice. I literally know no one who thinks it's to be superior to men.

How would the world be in crisis? We're overpopulated. We'd be in a better place if all genders quit having children. Some husbands aren't great, so some women would miss out on another person to take care of. In some relationships, she'd miss out on someone beating her, if you think about worldwide the prevalence of domestic violence.

It's been statistically proven that men benefit from marriage, and women don't. So maybe they're just bettering themselves, and it has nothing to do with trying to be better than men.

Mr_Controversial- · 2024-04-03T15:11:28+00:00

I don't see how that would benefit men , Especially when men can be falsely accused of being the father and sexually assaulted with basically no law protecting them.

Delivery-Subject · 2024-04-05T17:17:58+00:00

Cause we are weaker in that regard due to hormones, unless you go gay you'll always need sex more than women do

PhantomBlack675 · 2024-04-01T18:54:55+00:00

I always recommend to men not to donate sperm.

Tiny_Professional358 · 2024-04-01T16:19:46+00:00

Woman can’t stop dealing with Chad and Tyrone or the rich man. That’ll never happen lol.

mrmensplights · 2024-04-01T17:34:14+00:00

It's because women derive their power in society from sex. Sex is a tool for women to control others and get what they want. When people say "prostitution is the oldest industry in the world" they aren't referring to male prostitutes. Everyone has heard stories of how 'sex stopped once we got married/she got what she wanted'. Everyone who has ever been a relationship has seen how women will use sex to manage the relationship.

Of course, some men also use sex tactically but often is an end unto itself rather than a tactic used to gain wider power. Instead, men gain resources and power and signal their ability to provide security in order to mate instead of the other way around.

Logically, it follows that given these two strategies, at a fundamental level women are wired to require men as a means to power but men are not wired to need women to gain power, but instead women (or mating) are an incentive to obtain it. So, we then know that not having children or marrying.. or even the more radical things like the 4B movement. It isn't a real gambit. They can't actually walk away. Instead it's just another tactic to gain control. A goad. A play by bitter women.

Remember, to all women everywhere 80% of men are basically invisible. So competition for the 20% is fierce, a lot of women who can't compete (ugly, shit personality, nothing to offer a partner) often become bitter and angry and use movements like this in an attempt to level the playing field so it favors them more. They make life worse for men by doing so, but as we established they don't consider most men anyway.

Stardread1997 · 2024-04-01T14:49:30+00:00

What makes you think men aren't responding? Women are going to end up injecting themselves just to have kids at this point. If they want nothing to do with us so be it. They can hump pillows and use broth syringes. Sperm banks are imo going to boom. And marriage as far as i can tell will sink. Unfortunate and a depressing way to live and reproduce. But it's what they asked for. That is, unless our army completely collapses first.

PrecisionGuessWerk · 2024-04-01T16:21:13+00:00

Good, let them die off and only the one with their head on their shoulders properly will procreate.

sounds like a plan.

Uncle_Touchy1987 · 2024-04-01T16:54:04+00:00

I think its hilarious as we have already won by that standard.

KelVarnsenIII · 2024-04-01T17:09:52+00:00

Their strategy is making men to have them in their presence, along withna free meal, or paying to have an intimate encounter with them. This world is screwed unless things change.

The_Glass_Arrow · 2024-04-01T17:12:01+00:00

Tbh, be benifit more from not marrying. I see this as a win.

AcrobaticRhubarb2147 · 2024-04-02T07:36:03+00:00

Please do, mgtow! I am all for the 4b movement, why pretend anymore that men and women like each other? We don’t

liferelationshi · 2024-04-01T15:24:52+00:00

We can, but I’m choosing to find a non-western wife because I want to have a sane, reasonable, kind, attractive woman and start a family.

ACLU_EvilPatriarchy · 2024-04-01T17:40:44+00:00

This is like World's fastest rapper Honey Boo Boo pitching for candidate Mitt Romney saying... " For all you out there saying Republicans don't like women ... Duh...They're married to them!"

Reprobates define their own reality and standards... Instead of what misogyny actually is...just another name for Trad Values.

MGTOW television network:

https://www.mgtow.tv/v/Ognm1l

Current_Finding_4066 · 2024-04-01T18:25:26+00:00

The only problem is calling same behaviour in women brave and empowering and in men weak.

StopManaCheating · 2024-04-01T18:29:52+00:00

Already have been. It’s called MGTOW. I don’t buy into that stuff, but the movement has been around for a long time now.

Of course when women do it they’re stunning and brave.

Cindylynn43 · 2024-04-01T19:21:11+00:00

I am going to be coming from a different perspective as a woman, but I believe that anyone who does not want to be married or have children shouldn't. I am one of the women who roll my eyes every time I see stupid, over the top feminist bitching online or in RL. I think men are getting a raw deal, period. But, I have been happily married for 23 years to an amazing man. So, I still hold out hope that those who want to find love can and will. There are plenty of women who agree with me. Real equality is non-existent in the U.S. I cringe when I hear reporters talk about the deaths of women and children. It is disappointing that men dying is not considered to be just as tragic. Men are considered disposable by many in society, and that is disgusting. I have a son who is 18 and 2 daughters. He is the one that I worry the most about because I know the way his life is valued. I wish that I could do more to protect him and other men. I will continue to share my opinions with women who will listen. 😞

Mobile_Lumpy · 2024-04-01T16:28:59+00:00

We do. It's called mgtow or the black pill

Working-Librarian-39 · 2024-04-01T16:30:40+00:00

In theory you're right.

In practice, 1 man's sperm can get millions of women pregnant.

I wonder if that's why many men want womb transplants.

kaijyuu2016 · 2024-04-01T17:57:30+00:00

MGTOW has been a thing for years.

Roddy0608 · 2024-04-01T18:20:42+00:00

It doesn't really feel like my choice. Women don't want me anyway. Lately I'm thinking it's because they know they can't control me.

DoctorStorm · 2024-04-01T23:15:35+00:00

We already have.

Win your battle, and that is how we win the war.

I married, and now live primarily, elsewhere. My wife carries our son as we speak. These fat sluts can't even pronounce her name, certainly don't speak the language of the country we're in, and can't use Facebook to do bullshit fat slut facebook shit.

They moved to make men second class citizens permanently. Say it out loud, call the duck a duck, and move forward with me here...

They were only successful in rigging liberal western countries/societies/cultures. They fail outright elsewhere. They are a fucking joke everywhere else.

This is easy, simply follow the steps below:

"Can I find you on Facebook?" move on.
"What's your Instagram?" move on.
Do you know English fairly well, but have no desire to live in America whatsoever? WARMER, WARMER...
If I ask you what TikTok is, will you tell me it's an app to teach children school lessons? DING DING DING, YOU'RE IN THE RIGHT ZONE.

They attempted to enslave us, and then convince us that we had no other choice. Between these two events, too many men escaped and reported back in. Now the cat's out of the bag, and their days are numbered.

So let them rot. Back away, don't even laugh. Just walk away and know that they are fucked, they dug their grave, and we will let them sleep in it accordingly.

Real women don't even know what social fucking media is. Fucking joke.

Men, fucking leave already, goddamnit.

DepartureFriendly303 · 2024-04-01T16:03:20+00:00

Fight back by doing the same back

Except only do it to feminists

By doing it we can help weed out all of the feminists from the gene pool

Therefore feminism will become extinct

SnooHabits7185 · 2024-04-01T18:46:22+00:00

Men have already quietly started a war against feminists. Notice that men are not getting married. Why get married when there are plenty of women on Tinder and Bumble that are willing to give it up for next to nothing.

PsychologicalLoad270 · 2024-04-01T18:52:51+00:00

I'm gonna say it: women are happier serving strong men. And give birth to more children. Satisfying the husband and giving him children should be seen as woman's duty in marriage. Otherwise the whole social construct of marriage makes no sense.

Title	Feminists are starting a gender war by not having children or marrying, so why cant we as well?
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Date	April 1, 2024 2:14 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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