Is every single prominent redpill/manosphere thought leader and influencer a ‘grifter’ who doesn’t represent the ‘real’ redpill?

stats135 · 2024-09-04T21:46:33+00:00

Is every ~~single prominent redpill/manosphere thought leader and~~ influencer a ‘grifter’ ~~who doesn’t represent the ‘real’ redpill~~?

Yes.

I wouldn't trust any influencer on anything. I invest. But I'm not taking advice from MeetKevin or Andrei Jikh shilling out the next crypto scam. I work on my health. If I listened to influencers, I'd have died trying to cure Covid by drinking bleach. The same applies to TRP.

And just like all finance and health advice, there are no "thought leaders". Like who's the first guy that said "buy low sell high"? Who should be credited for the advice of "Diet and Exercise"? There's no answer. Same with TRP.

LoopyPro · 2024-09-04T20:58:01+00:00

There are no leaders. It's not a centralized movement. It's just a bunch of guys comparing notes and sharing anecdotes, empirical evidence, and lived experiences.

However, some people (like Rollo) simply have been around long enough to be considered credible representatives or ambassadors. Despite that, none of them have some kind of absolute authority. These people earned their spot in the community and they can lose it any time. These people subscribe to RP, not the other way around.

ibookmarkeverything · 2024-09-04T22:41:08+00:00

There are no rp leaders. Rp is just about observing the world how it is objectively. There are no oughts, no prescriptions, no manifesto. Some people deliver the information very well and phase into relevancy. People gravitate to them, they get a big head, it finally explodes, and then we're back to square one. The information stays the same.

FirmQuarter6623 · 2024-09-04T22:34:08+00:00

Your posts are fine compared to trolling/low effort submissions on this sub.

TRP is individualistic. We can make reference to book, article, post, video, but not men. We do not choose our representative. Article with anonymus author can be legit, one of RP godfather's opinion can be BS.

RP is not a movement, RP doesn't have a central headquarters, RP isn't ideology or religion. That's why you cannot win.

Stuff like women shouldn't be allowed vote, or teenage girls are hotter then 30 year old women.

I agree with this, but many men who identify rp don't. So, you can argue on this topic with me, you cannot say "RP CLAIMS THAT", nope, you can only say "u/FirmQuarter6623 says that blabla".

Also, on this sub I saw men with blue pill flair say legit RP stuff, and self-identified red pill men say utter blue-pill bs.

jay_de-leon · 2024-09-04T21:34:54+00:00

There is no central red pill figure or leader. The red pill is not a movement, a faction, or a political party. The sole purpose of the red pill is to reveal the ugly truth about female nature that is it.

Anybody that follows the lead of a so called “red pill influencer” and spends their hard earned money on a course, or a school, or whatever bullshit they sell is an IDIOT

Redpill-mind · 2024-09-04T20:42:09+00:00

then who is?

Nobody since the Redpill doesn't begin or end with anyone, this is not some facist movement or whatever your presuming TRP to be

kongeriket · 2024-09-04T21:55:28+00:00

Tate is a Muslim who explicitly refuses TRP. Of course, this doesn't stop the disinformation that he's somehow TRP because... what? Because he's a man?

Why do you want so badly for Tate to be TRP when neither he nor TRPers want that?

SadCahita · 2024-09-04T22:04:15+00:00

I don't follow any leader and I don't see the RP as a movement or political ideology to begin with, that sounds like your problem. I just had my contact with manosphere people on forums for years and learned concepts that apply to what I see in the world, that's it.

hoemath videos are great btw

alebruto · 2024-09-04T21:40:51+00:00

I don't know any of the influencers you mentioned, but I've heard one thing and another about Andrew Tate because of Reddit.

None of the Red Pill influencers I know, as far as I know, defend these idiotic positions like "prohibiting daughter from going to college", if you want to check for yourself, search for the "Manual Anti Otario", or for "Junior Masters", they are the the only ones I know.

Anyway, Red Pill has no leader, it's just a bunch of guys sharing what they see about the world

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pg_throwaway · 2024-09-05T14:03:08+00:00

Basically yes. This is because red pill is an American social movement. It's not a problem with red pill specifically, it's just an American culture thing. Any time you have some kind of widespread "popular" social / self-help movement in America, it immediately attracts all the grifters and scammers.

In the end, while red pill does have a lot of collectively shared beliefs, it doesn't really have a "leader", despite all the grifters who pretend to be. It's not really possible to say who "speaks for red pill".

In my case, when I refer to red pill beliefs, I don't say "red pill says...", I go with "red pillers say..." because it's easier to define red pill ideas by an average of what most people claiming to be red pill believe, than to take the word of some self-appointed leader who's grifting on YouTube.

DietTyrone · 2024-09-05T16:03:39+00:00

influencer a ‘grifter’ who doesn’t represent the ‘real’ redpill?

There's no singular guy whose opinion represents all of RP. That's like saying there's one Democrat whose opinion is shared by all Democrats.

Everyone in RP are individuals with different opinions with some overlapping core beliefs like hypergamy. There's no true 'leader.'

Any influencer who gets paid to give a particular opinion, like Dave Shapiro, could technically be considered a grifter. Doesn't mean people shouldn't listen to them or their opinions. Nobodies word is gospel.

SunJiggy · 2024-09-06T02:54:17+00:00

This is only stated because dishonest marxists smear the manosphere as an interchangeable monolith. I just recently saw someone insist that Andrew Tate is an MRA, in an attempt to pull the "haha men don't support each other" card by erasing the men who are in fact supporting each other. It's supremely hypocritical from feminists who commit even worse purity to dodge responsibility when their movement actually is unified to a single interest.

nightcall379 · 2024-09-04T20:49:17+00:00

However, every time I post what redpill influencers, thought leaders or even the god fathers of redpill themselves are saying nowadays, I always get hit with this retort that they don't represent 'true' redpill and are just all grifters.

It's because you blue pillers never argue honestly

You always skew the opposing points, misrepresent their messages, blatantly lie, and make stuff up

Cunnin_Linguists · 2024-09-04T21:41:19+00:00

I think Brian Atlas is a pretty good representation of redpill + the ability to debate. I don't always agree with him but usually I do

FinancialAssistant · 2024-09-05T06:43:43+00:00

Although there exists this sort of red pill movement and ideology (let's call it blue red pill), it's not actually meant to be. "Red pill" thought leader or influencer makes zero sense because then you are living in someone else's frame, you are a follower instead of a leader and that is very unattractive and thus cannot be actual red red pill. In other words, there is red pill vs blue pill even inside red pill. They missed the point of red red pill and became blue red pilled.

Stuff like women shouldn't be allowed vote

The point of saying outrageous shit like this is because it is engaging and demonstrates confidence and superiority. It doesn't matter if it's right or wrong, or even if you actually believe it. Only that it causes attraction and interest. Therefore it is red red pill in the sense that it's a practical thing you can do in the real world to attract women. Someone used that line and found success with it. But then there are morons who miss the point and take it literally as some kind of serious political ideology or something.

Commercial-Formal272 · 2024-09-05T06:27:18+00:00

In the "red pill" circles that I used to watch, almost every single person you listed was denigrated and exposed for the grifters they are and warned about. The one's who become prominent tend to do so because they advertise themselves in an effort to sell something.

In the end, there are multiple sections of the "fanbase" that follow different people. Some are suppressed and spread mainly through word of mouth, while others spread based on infamy.

HighValueWomanBook · 2024-09-05T02:43:44+00:00

OP is on a fishing expedition, looking to attack someone claiming "red pill"!! lol Take me to the red pill leader so I can try to emasculate him!!

There are only two buckets women belong in: The high value woman bucket: women who are STRIVING to be with one man for the rest of her life; low value woman bucket: women who are NOT striving to be with one man for the rest of their lives.

What you are mentioning about women shouldn't be allowed to vote, etc. is not the big picture, yet it could be true.

I've given you the meat and potatoes. Enjoy.

Major_Donut_2861 · 2024-09-05T04:42:22+00:00

Seems like a troll post, but I'll use it to make a salient point --> some of the worst "Redpill" channels are the popular ones. For example, "Better Bachelor". This guy, Joker, can barely read, has the most PEDANTIC "insights" of all time, and is SLOW AS F***. Cannot stand his constant whining and moronic explanations, always missing the most basic points and always missing the main point that should be made. He sucks, big time.

Next worst, or maybe just as bad, is Sandman. The voice is like nails on a chalkboard. Always the dumbest and most obvious points, and always a lot of complaining about his personal health.

Funniest and best channel of all has to be Free Agent Lifestyle, Coach Greg Adams. Problem there, though, is that the shows are incredibly long. But, he has time stamps, so that helps.

"Ask an Older Man" is a good channel, and "Manosphere Highlights Daily" is entertaining with better points than the bad shit up at the top.

Finally, some of the backlog catalogue from "Rehab Room" is worth a watch, but it more applies to guys below 5/10 in looks.

Cool_Ranch_2511 · 2024-09-05T08:50:39+00:00

The whole playbook is censoring dedicated spaces on social media and character assassination of whoever might be a "leader".

abaxeron · 2024-09-05T11:28:32+00:00

Is every single prominent redpill/manosphere thought leader and influencer a ‘grifter’ who doesn’t represent the ‘real’ redpill?

No; every red pill man is red pill.

But he is also a man, and capable of discussing topics other than pill-related. A red pill man showing his preference for certain furniture color does not mean that preferring that furniture color "is red pill now".

Or, for your example, "women shouldn't be allowed vote" is not "the red pill"; it's common sense./s

A_real_keeper_LOL · 2024-09-05T12:42:25+00:00

Making money while advocating for men? How dare they!

Unable_Evidence_4028 · 2024-09-05T13:04:37+00:00

TRP is a place of ideas, with no actual influencer outside of maybe the mods and contributors who limit the conversations to not go elsewhere (like politics, or economics).

The major point of TRP as a group is that you are supposed to make your own mind and improve yourself however you like by criticizing and trying out your own ideas.

TRP is just the place where you congregate to debate your ideas and test them against other people's ideas, to find your best answer to your question about how to navigate relationships. So yeah, influencers and griefters go against TRP as a concept, they are PUA at best.

It is also why it works, all ideas in TRP, no matter what, are discussed and face heavy criticism, so the only the good ones survive long term. And no idea really remained long term if it was bad, (the concepts of men who are delta, gamma and the like, for example)

Title	Is every single prominent redpill/manosphere thought leader and influencer a ‘grifter’ who doesn’t represent the ‘real’ redpill?
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Date	September 4, 2024 7:57 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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