Red pill is much better for the avg man

spacechicken1990 · 2025-08-03T18:52:39+00:00

What?

So many women love reading and probably also have similar political interests too what a odd observation. I've never noticed a difference in interests between the genders, gender is generally mostly sociological and learnt.

Ofc being more attractive gets you more dates? Generally though following red pill ideology is seen as an ugly trait most women do hate those podcasts ect. Imagine liking someone who is using your pain to grift and get money by inciting hate

rando_dud · 2025-08-03T15:55:12+00:00

I'd say so.

If you take the red pill view that it's 90% looks + money, and you work tirelessly to improve these two areas, you will probably improve your luck in the dating scene beyond what you thought possible.

You will get more gains improving your looks than buying better gifts or giving better compliments.

The problem is our culture doesn't portray this reality well.. that women are largely superficial and transactional just like men are.. this is taboo. We have a societal view of women as pure and innocent that doesn't quite hold up in the light of day.

esdebah · 2025-08-04T08:13:40+00:00

I am aggressively average. I flunked out of college and work menial jobs. I struggle with addiction and depression. I am 5'7". I'm kind and interested in people and art and social justice and I work hard (when I'm not spiralling) and I respect women and men. I've had a long, interesting, successful sexual and romantic life. At 40, I'll say blue pill works. Just don't go after women who are jerks.

grillopie · 2025-08-03T22:54:44+00:00

Youve got it backwards. Isnt bluepill “just be yourself?” Its less blamey than redpill. Not enough frame, not being callous enough, not enough dread, etc.

The reason the redpill is bad for the average man is that its axiomatic. Women are like this. Men are like that. In reality, you have to know yourself, your surroundings, and what you want. Its rare that something that prescriptive will apply to you.

Its also pretty full of bitterness towards women, which sounds like resignation. Its focused on women that the people who believers of the red pill find unlikeable. Why focus on people you dont like?

ta06012022 · 2025-08-03T14:28:03+00:00

Blue says if im not having succes in dating it is all my fault I'm a bad man who hates women etc

The blue pill isn't a belief system. It's just society's mainstream view. What you're describing isn't a mainstream view at all. The mainstream view is that looks are very important.

LucyintheskyM · 2025-08-04T11:36:31+00:00

I identified as red pilled like ~20 years ago, before I realised how it was being used as an echo chamber for people dissatisfied with their love life and looking for a scapegoat. I thought, fuck yeah, men have issues too and I can absolutely see how they're being misrepresented in media, which changed how people think of them and their issues. I still feel that way, but now redpill is full of asinine ideas about women like yours. Women don't follow politics and don't want to consider all sides of an argument before making a decision? My dude, that isn't a woman problem, it's a human problem. From my experience, women LOVE discussing everything and picking apart all the arguments.

I don't think "bluepill" is a real thing with defined ideologies beyond "redpill has gone too far and needs to reign in their toxic masculinity and misogynistic takes" so saying that because of your height the "bluepill" perspective is that your creepy is just a circle-jerk of people who have insecurity and want to blame it on someone, so find weirdos on tiktok who spew misandry and hate, then act like it's coming from "all feminists and bluepill"

If this is any consolation, I don't think you're weird for not being tall, an interest in discussing and dissecting political views is fun, interesting and sexy if you argue in good faith.

Also, I totally clicked on this because I read the title as pertaining to the "vag man" and was curious.

FitnessBeth · 2025-08-03T18:53:28+00:00

Most men who follow TRP are mentally unwell, neurodivergent or have some kind of serious handicap or a combination of the above.

This won't be fixed by following dating advice designed to attract damaged women with low self esteem.

poorbatman243 · 2025-08-03T14:09:58+00:00

You forgot that bluepill is for rich white men

Amazing-Telephone-39 · 2025-08-04T03:46:38+00:00

blue pill is just "be yourself" which is valid advice, most dudes who struggle in dating are afraid of being themselves and are very insecure.

redpill is just dudes pretending they found out a revolutionary idea that women like cool dudes who are attractive and that they need to work on themselves, like sure dude you just found out girls see the difference in looks and confidence and money, implying they have been "fooled" by the "feminist media" to think girls never saw a difference between a skinny 5" passive nerd who is broke and 6" attractive charismatic dude who's got a car.

GridReXX · 2025-08-03T14:04:10+00:00

Your “blue pill” is a giant straw man.

The truth is common sense, perceptiveness, basic skills of deduction, and pragmatism would lead any person who is struggling with X to try Y & Z to try to get a better outcome. Not everyone requires men on the internet selling pills to come to this conclusion.

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Flightlessbirbz · 2025-08-03T19:48:31+00:00

Not quite. Blue pill (in theory) says “it’s not your fault, you just have had bad luck, just be yourself there’s someone out there for everyone.” Red pill (in theory) says “yeah it is your fault, but you can do x, y, and z to change that.”

But a lot of “red pill” men are actually more black pill, so the message turns into “it’s women’s fault, be angry.” And “blue pill” in the sense of just mainstream advice, is usually not as delusional as it’s straw-manned to be. MOST people will tell you that you need to address your appearance and work on your social skills, it’s just a matter of some men not wanting to hear it unless it’s mixed with a lot of misogyny. So balance and common sense is key, I don’t think you actually need a “pill.”

esdebah · 2025-08-04T18:42:26+00:00

Friends of friends. Work. Volunteering. Online dating. (Okcupid used to be a lot better, but is still all right) College made it pretty easy.

miami2881 · 2025-08-05T01:14:47+00:00

This reads like it was written by a 12 year old

tonyreyes69 · 2025-08-05T09:51:45+00:00

Blue pill is the beta pill

Used-Possession8296 · 2025-08-03T16:56:01+00:00

I think you have it backwards. Blue pill men will typically ask a woman out and respect her decision. When I was single and I'd get rejected, than I'd ask out someone else. My observation of the redpill ideology, is that redpill men can't function without control. Without control and success redpill men often give up and become incels and that mindset only makes the rejection worst. I have a friend who's 5'4 and gets laid all the time, because he's confident and funny. I did pretty well for myself before I settled down, but this guy is a foot shorter than me, not as good looking as I was at his age, and he still seals the deal with tall women. Of course the taller man usually has the advantage, but we all have characteristics that hold us back and redpill men tend to be more likely to over compensate and sabotage themselves.

KaptainKopterr · 2025-08-03T19:05:39+00:00

Ignorance really is bliss sometimes though. The Red Pill has been very nihilistic even though I’m actually fairly attractive, tall, athletic, and have a decent paying job.

Morgoth_Worshipper · 2025-08-03T22:08:33+00:00

Red pillers are the ones who hate and blame women for their own rotten personalities. Don't aspire to be a redpill, they are incels.

Artistic_Speech_1965 · 2025-08-03T16:07:48+00:00

Well I am BP and I am not tall and not attractive. I guess I should have become a RP given your logic

Outside_Memory5703 · 2025-08-04T06:48:17+00:00

You can only get away with shitty behavior if you’re above average

Red pill is much better for the avg man

Comments

1. "Men’s Bodies — The Survey" (Psychology Today, 1993)

2. “How Men Measure Up” (Psychology Today follow-up, 1993)

3. Body Image Studies in the 1980s–90s

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