A lot of hate from the redpill/incel/and other communities towards women comes from feeling cheated, when they find out that despite what they were taught, men and women aren't equal and play by different social rules. The Opposite is also true for many man-hating Feminists.

the_duude_abides · 2019-04-28T10:45:53+00:00

Society cares about us being productive citizens, the messaging we receive in life is towards this goal. Turns out you don’t have to be happy to be a productive citizen.

Blonsomio · 2019-04-28T11:36:14+00:00

I agree.

Those men would be much less dissatisfied if society just stopped lying to them.

Overarching_Chaos · 2019-04-28T11:18:28+00:00

I agree, mgtow/incels are just a symptom of the identity politics pushed by feminists and SJWs, despite them acting as if the root problem is misogyny. Misogyny always existed yet mgtows and incels only started appearing at the same time with the whole SJW apocalypse.

However, I think dating sites/social media are a trap. Women are far more selective and hard to get on social media and dating sites because the number of men approaching them is far greater than the number of men who approach them in real life. Men should stop worshipping women on the Internet and should start approaching them in real life like normal human beings, the way nature intended...

On a final note, I think both men and women on either side should stop being crybabies and focus on self-betterment. If you can't get a date, how about you start exercising, dressing better and starting new activities which will make you more attractive? If men only want you for sex, how about you develop a personality instead of constantly posting semi-naked pictures on social media for attention?

The first step to changing society, is changing yourself.

flow2high · 2019-04-28T18:12:07+00:00

I agree with the text a lot, but:

[woman] being more unsafe late at night,

statistical fact: menfolk are more likely to get hurt by illegal actions from other at day and at night time

not being able to pin down a man as easily as when we had more traditional gender roles - like a guy taking your virginity doesn't mean he has to marry you anymore for example)

Menfolk got pinned down by social rules, now the laws doing this job pretty more powerful. And the situation in the society, media and laws is getting more hostile vs men every year.

some women complain about men just wanting to have sex.

Is the OP blindfolded somehow? A lot of women just want sexual experience, until they think about reproducing. As a good looking young guy this can really be a problem, because woman want you for sex, but fear to settle down with you, because they fear the competition with other females.

[deleted] · 2019-04-28T14:16:07+00:00

In the USA we live in a culture where sex is now described as a basic human Need equal to food and water, men shame other men for virginity, and with social media this messaging is now relentless and nearly 24/7.

When a guy can’t get sex even though he’s “doing everything right”, and everyone who can get these things is telling him that he’s failed not just at being a man, but at the basics of being a human being, it’s no wonder he ends up feeling alienated and dehumanized: because HE IS.

Suck-Less · 2019-04-28T11:32:27+00:00

First off, what is RP? As I see it, RP is a evolutionary psychology in practical application. It’s cultural anthropology, evolutionary psychology, 90s PUA, and gym bro science mashed together in locker rooms, bars and back ally’s. It’s not mainstream because feminism owns academia. RP is a work in progress that has been pushed into the twilight via the internet.

This “hate” aka the “Red Pill Rage” is an identity crisis. It’s the anger men feel when they look at their lives, and see a mess. Searching for a solution they run across RP on the internet and all of a sudden, what they have experienced makes sense. They realize that they have been lied to their entire lives, by women, for women.

If you are GenX you grew up in high school and college knowing one fundamental thing. Abs get you laid. Being bold gets you laid. Being direct gets you laid. For many though, that knowledge was hammered out of their brains by years of feminism in the media, and education system.

If you are a millennial or GenZ, you have been taught exactly the opposite. Empathize with her, support her, empower her is the new “man.” Then the open up tinder. Their out of shape, “I support her”, “I am a feminist”, “masculinity is toxic”, attitudes get them friend zoned almost every time. Those men are raised to put women on a pedestal and women are raised to think “they can have it all”... sorry, no one gets it all.

Millennials are about to start hitting 35, if I did the math right. The “baby now or never” reflex kicking in, the “freeze my eggs” posts are everywhere. Where have all the good men gone articles being read by so called “good men” saying WTF. So, what happens when those millennial marriages for “baby” hit the seven year itch? When he is kicked out of his own house? When everything gets blamed on him and she gets an empowerment pass?

Personally, I think RP is going to skyrocket in about seven years. I think by forcing this illusion of genders are all the same, boy = girl, a large number of millennial men are going to wake up and consider themselves the child abuse victims of feminism. These young men are not going to be happy. I think the rage you see now, reinforced by censorship whenever “she” is blamed, is going to be epidemic.

Is there a good side coming? For men, I think the answer is yes. If there is going to be one real legacy of millennial men it’s going to be this: he is no longer disposable for her. He will be independent from the need to be validated and seek the approval of women. It won’t be tomorrow, but I do think it’s on the horizon.

Zippo-Cat · 2019-04-28T12:20:44+00:00

I see that after a series of "why is this person even on PPD asking about something so basic" threads we now get a "duh, that's obvious" thread.

But so what? The very reason why men are "taught" these false things about women is also the reason why they're not going away.

chasingstatues · 2019-04-28T15:56:48+00:00

What narrative has pushed the idea that women like men who are spineless or asocial? The Disney stories we were all raised with had handsome princes and knights in shining armor rescuing beautiful maidens from their boring lives. Romcoms always show the guy stepping up to the plate and making the first move. And all of the people in these stories are attractive.

Can you give examples of where it's being pushed in popular culture that women will approach men, and ugly men, at that?

LillthOfBabylon · 2019-04-28T11:05:27+00:00

Like for example these men observe that many women advocate for body positivity and shame men, when they talk about their preference for healthy looking bodies. But then they notice how women talk about short men, which after the growth plates fuse is something that can't be change. Unlike weight.

I've never had female friends think like that. Here's what a lot of women and I have observed. These men were the male version of bad boy chasers. They chased very superficial girls, got burned, and then blamed everyone else for his poor taste in women.

Also, when you look at men like Roosh V, they never had respect for women and got mad that pretending to care about a girl didn't get them laid.

where on sites like tinder the top 20% of men have sex with 80% of women.

How about you GET OFF TINDER? Also, how about you become the top 20% of men or screw the other 20% of women. Beggars can't be choosers, right?

That kid basically killed people, because no one taught him that he has to conform to the masculine gender role and ask the women out himself.

He poured coffee on women and thought he was entitled to sorority girls. Elliot Rodgers was depressed and severely ill with mental problems. Finding the manosphere only made his delusions and his depression worse, because it kept telling him that he'll never improve his situation and kept him in a victim complex.

Are you forgetting that plenty of male feminists and soy boys are married too?

doesn't mean that men have to not value female virginity.

Okay, but will he be the same guy complaining when he's not getting laid within the first year of knowing her? Because you cant get mad with a girl with a low sex drive if you wanted her to have a low body count.

This hasnt proven men and women are unequal. This only proves that some men are self-entitled jackasses.

Mescalean · 2019-04-28T15:17:26+00:00

Ill say this. After being younger and naive. Coping with the true nature of women became a lot easier when I accepted that they are what they are and it us simply nature. Catch up with nature and “alpha” the fuck up or get off the field. They are simply doing what the universe/natural law wants of them

ThisIsJustATr1bute · 2019-04-28T20:35:59+00:00

Yeah but the real issue is that no one ever told these guys about HUMAN NATURE and that people fail you all the time. Since they are attracted to women, they felt this sting most in relation to women, as they are most vulnerable in the area of love (like everyone. People you are attracted to can hurt you more.) I have no idea why this generation is so deeply unaware of how humanity works, how people usually want to be good and right but how they mess up all the time. But they need to get it.

_Anarchon_ · 2019-04-28T23:11:32+00:00

Equality is a terrible idea, and a futile endeavor. If people would admit that we are all different, and all discriminate, and that both are o.k., we'd all be a lot better off.

SlashCo80 · 2019-04-28T12:06:02+00:00

Agreed, I've often said that awakening to the red pill is akin to being someone who's followed the rules and tried to 'play nice' like society told him to all his life and never got much out of it, only to see some other guy break the rules with a smirk on his face, have fun doing it, and get praised and rewarded for it. A little bitterness is understandable.

gothpunkboy89 · 2019-04-28T13:39:40+00:00

Then society (and single mothers) teaches them to be nice and respectful towards women, untill they discover that what women are attracted to are actually masculine, confident men that adhere to masculine gender roles.

Then how the fuck did I get married?

reddtormtnliv · 2019-04-28T18:08:26+00:00

Genders are supposed to complement each other - not to be equal.

Anybody believing otherwise is a fool. They should have equal rights - but anybody trying to fight for gender equality outside a legal context is a fool.

Mickusey · 2019-04-28T16:28:39+00:00

Women rely highly on situational attraction to establish a relationship, that is you don't typically get a nice gf by being the most statistically viable on a dating website chart but by going up to them in the real world and establishing an actual connection with them make them laugh feel relaxed etc. This is why women will want to date you, keeping it impersonal means it will remain a draconian numbers game

[deleted] · 2019-04-28T21:44:39+00:00

A lot of hate from the redpill/incel/and other communities towards women comes from feeling cheated, when they find out that despite what they were taught, men and women aren't equal and play by different social rules. The Opposite is also true for many man-hating Feminists.

Men were told to very moralistic, women were told the opposite.

Redpill rage is basically men coping their way into an unfair marketplace. Maximizing status, looks, income, getting scammed by dating coaches trying to teach 'game' and complaining about women riding the cock carousel until 30, praising singledom or becoming lesbians. It's like a peruvian farmer trying to compete with a multimillionaire CEO

Blackpill rage is accepting the fact that you can't compete in the market anymore, that every man's self-improvement has its limits , obviously still filled with hatred towards women who are the bourguiese that hasn't welcomed you.

It's like the exploited proletarian finally quitting while yelling and insulting his boss.

Some men will go ER because of this, while others (myself included) will reach a point of tranquility where we simply walk away of the marketplace thus avoiding all the benefits and negative effects that the SMP has to offer so finally finding better lives with something else.

Nowadays I don't have any hatred or antagonism towards women, personally it's the best decision I ever took.

Left-wing Politics, Feminism, Equality, etc are very popular and dominate society right now, but men are slowly waking up the fact that the dating game is a form of social darwinism, where on sites like tinder the top 20% of men have sex with 80% of women.

Men nowadays, specially the liberal/progressive ones live in a mental state of false consciousness.

Willow-girl · 2019-04-29T02:03:30+00:00

Feminists are upset about the fact that men won't do "their fair share" of the housework and childcare.

JustRuss79 · 2019-04-29T02:51:28+00:00

Also somewhat true of people who were raised to be colorblind, taught that race/skin color doesn't matter...and now hated and railed against as racist for not seeing skin color or treating people differently.

There is enough real racism still in the world, people are making enemies they don't need by painting with a broad brush.

Telling kids men and women are the same and then rigging the game against men wherever possible also makes enemies out of those that would otherwise be outspoken supporters.

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JezebeltheQueen5656 · 2019-04-29T10:33:05+00:00

just because males value women's virginity doesnt mean women should strive to be virgins. or low n.

not to mention women know what it means when a male wants a virgin; either someone to control or because he is immature and lacking in the nether regions. please, we women know you are full of shit. enjoy your VR porn with virginal anime waifus.

women do what best suits them and that is not giving a fck about males' want and needs.

something something sexual strategies are amoral. everyone is out for themselves.

the conflict resulted from women's lib and males losing the only bargaining chip they had: provision. women dont have to put up with males' BS anymore and that angers manlets.

JezebeltheQueen5656 · 2019-04-29T10:38:13+00:00

Then society (and single mothers) teaches them to be nice and respectful towards women, untill they discover that what women are attracted to are actually masculine, confident men that adhere to masculine gender roles.

so, lets treat women as garbage disposals every time you males get rejected? basically, you are saying women are sex dispensers; be civil to them and sex pops out. fck you. this is why we will never get along. you males are monsters who seriously lack empathy. funny, coz whenever you bitch about your "issues" you always aim for empathy in us women.

guess what, you wont get it. ever. please die.

guy_24601 · 2019-04-29T23:38:52+00:00

A lot of the hate isnt hate, its just how people react to ideas that so strongly clash with their world view. All too often someone states a simple observation and the well oiled ad hominem parade goes marching though.

Seems rare that anyone asks what lead to a position, or why someone thinks something. devoid of context its difficult to credibly call most things hate.

People are being actively taught to interact with everything in the most antagonistic way.

Exaggeration, submissiveness, belittling etc.

Its a Hatfield McCoy situation where unilateral disarming seems unlikely.

I'll include toxic here as well. Its a word that is so overused it has lost any meaning.

Like how the word theory colloquially means "hunch" I just read toxic as "something I dont like".

Man hating feminists? you know I've met some annoying feminists, but I cant say I've ever met an actual man hating feminist. more likely the appearance of man hating is a result of getting caught up an echo chamber and going a bit far with the posturing in context men are likely to have a strong reaction to. Expressions of emotion are not to be taken literally. Anyone really think #killallmen literally means that? just some weird combination of trolling, poes law, "stick it to the man" etc.

I shouldnt need to say it but I will, but for any absurd belief you can find at least a few who will defend it, but thats meaningless.

TBH the most annoying feminists I've met have been men, not women. I cant draw any conclusions from that though. Its like men have the strongest need to try to signal "I'm one of the good ones" or something.

Many of the things that get the strongest reaction on either side point to unpleasant truths imo.

Feminism is another word that has practically lost its meaning. rad fems, terfs, swerfs, much like religion anyone attempting to offer a definition gets told "you are not a true blank" everyone seems to have their own personal definition.

People are spending a lot of effort on labels and not interacting with what people actually believe.

Arguing over a label and ignoring the actual ideas is useless.

Happens everywhere in just about every topic. Go start an argument on what a political ideology means and watch how little the ideas are the focus.

BlindingTwilight · 2019-04-28T12:20:28+00:00

Not the same motivation to hate. Women only ever go man-hating feminist when they are ugly pigs.

PanderjitSingh_k · 2019-04-28T13:53:14+00:00

Being critical of women as individuals or as a group is not hate.

Calling it that facilitates censorship (which kills democracy) and prevents societal improvement (when criticism is hate no one learns and improves).

handklap · 2019-04-28T15:30:33+00:00

Totally agree. The anger towards Brie Larson, Amy Schumer, the Gillette ad, Cardi B, Rose McGowan, Amber Heard, etc is much more related towards the hypocrisy and double standards in the mainstream vs. what they did specifically as individuals.

So many examples where if you reverse the genders the entire rule book changes

Profligate-Prophet · 2019-04-28T17:54:33+00:00

It is worth noting that men are way more likely to be the victims of violence walking home at night.

And women FEEL that they are more likely to. It is the standard feelz vs reelz argument.

Women FEEL like they are being oppressed when they are treated like a man.....

Red pill rage is when men get angry when they finally learn the truth. And ralize they have been lied to.

Feminist Women get angry when the societal lie that supports their view points is challenged

[deleted] · 2019-04-28T13:12:29+00:00

This sick, hypocritical society must be remade

The-Wizard-of-Oz- · 2019-04-28T12:42:04+00:00

Down to a t

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CRGRO · 2019-04-28T22:34:38+00:00

No. Women don't do near the shit men do to get the opposite sex so I'm going to go ahead and say they got no room to hate. The problem is they're becoming more like men and we don't like that, simultaneously they want more man out of the men and men are feeling like the juice isn't worth the squeeze. Women don't get to get this double standard.

Autistic_Reeeeeeeeee · 2019-04-29T01:34:10+00:00

Now that most of us agree that:

All of the conflict just comes from being uncomfortable with the idea that we aren't all equal.

Let's bring race and culture into the equation. Thats when the real questions start.

This isn't only a gender thing.

shipiaozi · 2019-04-29T02:32:35+00:00

People who don't understand basic gender difference create 99% stupid arguments in gender issues.

Xemnas81 · 2019-04-29T18:17:41+00:00

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/27/opinion/sunday/conservative-women.html?fbclid=IwAR1ZbHiJuZ_htQEUwT1FLjUpRwOFR7tN75-ye4jRzTDPD70zYu9rnN3ZibQ#commentsContainer

Find the MRA comments in this piece, that's all you need to know. Only the centre to far right, mostly libertarian media, will even platform MRAs, which leaves them at risk of being co-opted by ahistorical tradcons, Christian fundies, crypto-fascists and white nationalists

edit: Most women were never told advice which struggled to get them laid. They don't care about that. Feminism was all about holding the men who wanted sex with them to a higher standard. That's why it's gynocentric. It's about maximising the security aspect of the feminine imperative/hypergamy.

CombatStacey · 2019-04-28T13:23:17+00:00

You sound very isolated from women. That's all I got from your post.

None of it is true.

It's sad that you're so isolated. I hope you can do something about that. What I think we need more than anything in our society is free counselling.

z_forzombie · 2019-04-29T01:50:32+00:00

............... it pisses me off that men like virgins mostly because I lost mine to rape when I was young...... and I think its fucked up I got labeled a slut for "sleeping with an older guy" ... I know that's a thing that's like.... just cause I got raped doesnt mean it's bad to want a virgin. .... it just is painful for me.... but we all have our own baggage ...

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