Should women be honest with guys that they friend zone?

MercedesBenzoAMG · 2018-03-16T12:15:11+00:00

If you're making a true parallel comparison where the woman in question has been honest with the man in saying that she has no interest in anything romantic or sexual with him at all, and the guy keeps buying her shit and pining after her anyway, that is 100% on him.

He's an adult in control of his own actions. He has been given all the information straight up and yet he chooses to ignore it. He may have to learn the hard way that his approach is never going to work but if he does learn that lesson it'll be good for him in the long-term.

Life is not a romcom where persistently throwing romantic gestures at women who've rejected you will win them over. That Ted Mosby guy is a fag. The sooner those beta guys are forced to learn this from experience the better. I worked this out at 16, come on people.

freejosephk · 2018-03-16T14:44:19+00:00

See how much he’s willing to sacrifice for you and what lengths he’s willing to go to be with you, and then decide whether or not he’s worthy of sex with you.

Calm down there, Satan.

RockinSocksII · 2018-03-16T09:56:54+00:00

I don't see the point in rejecting someone before they make their interest explicit. Even if it's totally obvious that he's interested in you, it is still his responsibility to actually do something. It's not on you to "protect" him by telling him you're not attracted to him. Especially since this can easily backfire and make you the target of verbal abuse or worse.

MisterJose · 2018-03-16T13:25:25+00:00

The problem I have seen with the friendzone is that often these guys have put themselves in it by never actually making a move on the woman. I mean if they act like friends she thinks they are friends and then suddenly one day after year he makes a wild declaration which she turns down and suddenly she is a bitch who used him and put him in the friendzone.

I mean its easy to stay out of the friendzone. See a woman you like, ask her out on a date, she says no, and you don't wanna be her friend then you say ok and move on with your life. No friendzone.

madscientistlove · 2018-03-16T08:01:06+00:00

this:

use for money, free gifts, attention, free trips and just general favors

is really different to this:

date around and see which guy you’re most compatible with, and then decide from there

i don't think women have any cosmic responsibility to take care of the feelings of the men they date. i personally would feel guilty using the first strategy, but have used the second one plenty of times. it's called vetting, and often guys will not make the cut once you get to know them. i don't feel any guilt or pressure to sleep with someone just because they've bought me a few dinners.

i have a friend who is in the first situation right now - this guy is madly in love with her, and she's got no intention of ever getting down with him but enjoys his company/attention. she's told him in no uncertain terms that nothing will ever, ever happen between them and he continues to follow her around like a puppy dog. she asked my advice on what to do here, and it was "whatever you want to".

if you know that you won't be giving a guy what he wants, then yes, the nice thing to do is to tell him so, but i wouldn't extend that to saying that women should or should not do anything. what they do is up to them.

madscientistlove · 2018-03-16T08:04:40+00:00

I think it's best to be upfront about your lack of romantic interest in the person. The only thing that can make this tricky, is the fact that you don't want to come across as presumptive in case they really are just being friendly. Nothing sounds more awkward that someone being friendly, and then you blurt out, "I'm not interested in you!"

As soon as someone I was uninterested in made it clear they were looking for romance, I shut it down. That said, I once made someone angry who asked me to lunch because he thought it was a date, and I thought we were just hanging out. I "led him on" for a grand total of a week, because it took me that long to figure out what the hell was going on.

Willow-girl · 2018-03-16T12:23:36+00:00

The bottom line: it's a lack of chemistry, and there's no correcting that. So, yes, tell him that, but fergawdsakes don't send him off on a wild goose chase trying to change himself in order to please you! That's just unkind.

ContrasexualWoman · 2018-03-16T10:09:12+00:00

Imagine we flip this sentiment around to guys that are being friend zoned or used for money, free gifts, attention, free trips and just general favors.

This is why it's incredibly easy to determine if a woman is your actual friend or if she's friendzoning you. True friendship isn't a one-way street where one person gets lots of benefits and the other is left high and dry, it's hanging out because you like doing stuff together and both of you do favors for one another. If you're constantly buying shit for a woman but she can't get off her ass to watch your dog while you're away, pick you up at the airport, pay you back, get you gifts in return, or spend a weekend helping you move (you know...things friends do for each other) why the fuck are you there? Stop throwing money at people who don't add to your life in return.

Is this lie by omission one that women should continually implement to get what they want from men?

I think it's unethical to string men along and play with their emotions, so no.

Should we turn a blind eye to women that do this and/or encourage more women to do the same for guys that they just want to keep temporarily?

No, but you're assuming women who use men purely for attention and resources care what those men think. Doesn't matter if an outsider turns a blind eye to it...the man it's being done to has to see the problem and grow enough balls to say "fuck you" and walk away. If it's possible to help them see it though, that would be good.

wtknight · 2018-03-16T13:04:18+00:00

If the man doesn’t actually confess and state his desire for a relationship and/or sex with a woman, then I don’t see the problem with her getting what she wants out of him. If he does confess and says “soon” or “I have emotional issues right now” or whatever and is still taking from him, then I’d argue that she is deceiving him and that she is at fault, although it could be argued that the guy should get a clue and realize that he is being deceived in cases like these.

Equalina · 2018-03-16T07:55:09+00:00

It depends how clear a guy is about his sexual/romantic interest. Sometimes you assume a friendship when the guy actually wants more and he’s not clear about that. I assume friendship unless a guy is asking me out on my own to dinner, etc - even then I have guy friends who I go out and do stuff with that have never tried for anything more - so I assume they see me platonically, as I do them...

I’ve never knowingly led a man on knowing he wants more and using him as an emotional or financial crutch - that’s despicable to me. On par with men pretending to be interested in more and then bailing when they get sex.

It’s always best to be honest about your intentions. But miscommunications happen. I’m not sure how common truly using someone else is - I haven’t seen it happen amongst my male or female friends. People tend to have good intentions.

TheGreasyPole · 2018-03-16T09:43:23+00:00

I’ve always been of the opinion that as long as you’re honest with the guy and he decides to stick around, perhaps because he’s hoping that you’ll someday see what a nice guy he is and give him a chance, then you’re all good. But now I’m starting to re-evaluate this. Perhaps women are too nice.

I think is the point. Women do try to be “nice” when they do this, to spare male feelings but also to avoid a “stressful confrontation” on their part.

I think how this too often gets read on the male side is “hmmm, she really does like me as a friend, thatspractically 50% of the way to her fancying me! If I just hang on in there maybe this friendship will develop into an attraction. After all, don’t women and society commonly say that one of the best ways to get sexually involved with a girl is to be her friend first and let it develop ‘naturally’ from there”.

You’ve got to remember they are almost certainly in a mental state where they “want to believe” and are looking for things to help them believe, not reading your words for disconfirming evidence.

If it’s something half positive, and half negative, the woman is saying they’ll be jumping on and remembering he positives and dismissing the negatives due to this frame of mind.

Perhaps very similarly to a guy giving her a half positive, half negative sentiment that he doesn’t think there will be a relationship... the girl will be thinking “he told me there is a chance” when he’s thinking “I made clear that though she’s nice this won’t happen”.

Men just tend to be a bit more brutal about these things naturally than girls... so I think girls tend to put more positives in the reverse situation than boys do in their version.

What is your opinion on not being honest about it at all, and either evading the question or his attempts to date or move things along sexually? Or just giving little hints and suggestive flirting that keep and make him continue to hope for actual sexual contact someday.

My opinion is that very likely to be good for you in that you’ll have a guy hanging round and validating you... but it’s very likely to be a disaster for him as he gets a false view of his chances and puts effort and resources into you (perhaps even turning down other girls) that is going to cause him to feel cheated and “led on” if it doesn’t come out successfully in the end.

See how much he’s willing to sacrifice for you and what lengths he’s willing to go to be with you, and then decide whether or not he’s worthy of sex with you.

That’s NOT going to work. Either you already fancy him at the point you become aware he likes you... and a relationship starts THEN. Or... it’s very unlikely to develop into one, at least in this way.

Especially as he gets more supplicating and more sacrificing. This is likely to make you fancy him even less every time he does it, not more.

He will increasingly appear to you to be a male who is tangibly “not in your league” and is certainly not a male “above you in quality” that is the type most females tend to develop the real hots for. Female sexuality doesn’t work this way. The more he does this the less you’ll fancy him.

Doing this will end super-badly. He’ll put a LOT in and feel cheated when he doesn’t get the hero’s reward. The more he puts in, the less likely it is that you’ll develop sexual feelings towards him.

This in particular is a terrible idea.

Use that opportunity to date around and see which guy you’re most compatible with, and then decide from there.

He’s going to see that as a betrayal. As him “wooing” you and you accepting all the gifts, time, effort, affection.... and then shitting on it to go sleep with super-chad who acts like an asshole and “doesn’t respect you like he does”.

This is a super-super-super bad idea.

The reverse is actually better. Reject him hard and firmly. Make it clear there is “no chance” then watch HIM go date OTHER WOMEN that’s far more likely to cause you to develop sexual feeelings for him than the reverse. Pre-Selecion is a hellova drug.

To what extent do you think we should go to protect the feelings of friend zoned guys or pump and dumped girls?

To no extent.

Not because this isn’t good human behaviour, and that humans shouldn’t try to spare feelings.... But because these situations are extremely prone to being misread. The softer you are the more tha gal/guy may well get the impression “there is still a chance”.

I think these talks have to be quite brutal and definitive... and not include normal human “say a nice thing, then say the real negative message, then say a nice thing” pleasantries. That’s get read as “she said something nice.. ~mumble mumble~... she said something nice”.

Strip the nice out. Do it in a public place or place where you feel safe (if a girl. Do it in private if a boy giving the reverse message). Deliver the negative message on its own and really explicitly clearly. Get ready to deal with the fallout.

This is one of those “it’s better if you rip the band aid off in one swift painful yank” things.

AntagonisticSavant · 2018-03-17T00:52:13+00:00

Yes they should. They should straight up tell their orbiters that the orbiters have no chance of fucking or dating them. Men should also make it very clear that they are going to be pumping and dumping. Honesty is always the best policy. I have zero respect for women that lead their orbiters on with suggestive flirting and little hints. I have very little respect for women that evade the questions or his attempts to move things sexually. That being said, if a guy still stays with a chick even after she made it really clear that she was not interested in him, the guy is at fault.

DemonConsulting · 2018-03-16T09:03:49+00:00

I think in most cases where you're dealing with normal young people, not sociopaths, they're not actively trying to use or manipulate the other for sex/friendship/resources/whatever. So it's not usually malicious behavior or a 'test' where they lead each other on, only to dump/ friendzone them later but if one party gets their hopes up and neither of them communicate clearly it can still hurt their feelings.

Now I don't think anyone has a moral obligation towards protecting another person's feelings as long as they are not actively trying to hurt them. But it is probably in most people's best interest to clearly state what they want or don't want so they don't waste their time and there are less misunderstandings/ conflicts/ built up resentment in the end. This really applies to any type of relationship between humans, not just dating and friendships.

That being said, I think it's on the person who wants "more" out of the relationship/ to change the way it currently is, to clearly initiate that change and then deal with their own feelings over the outcome. So if you're a girl who has sex with a guy in hopes of it turning into a relationship, it is your responsibility to clearly say that and if he says no, either decide to move on or keep the arrangement as it is (in which case you don't get to be pissed if he takes you by your word and it really doesn't turn into anything serious). Similarly if you're a guy who wants a friendship to turn into a relationship, it is your responsibility to ask clearly and, if rejected, deal with your feelings on the issue without blaming the other person. If you're not interested in just sex/friendship in the first place or are scared that the rejection will hurt more in this context, don't get into those arrangements and instead directly go searching for someone who wants the same romantic relationship as you do.

I think trying to preemptively protect someone else's feelings without them having made their intentions clear in the first place just leads to more complications. If you care a lot and want to prevent misunderstandings, state what you want out of the relationship fairly early on but then it's on them to communicate their desires.

rainisthelife · 2018-03-16T12:25:20+00:00

Just like Mr_Smoogs have said, situations where a man has casual sex (from his perspective at least) with a woman, be it from first day, or first night of seeing each other, doesn't mean that a man is manipulating a woman and "pretending" to be offering commitment. He can change his mind any time, just like a woman can change her mind and not have sex with a man and just leave (azziziziziziziiz). He would only be leading on if he said he has feelings for her when in fact he doesn't and just wants to keep spinning plates (including her) in rotation and do not commit.

Mr_Smoogs · 2018-03-16T13:47:43+00:00

Vetting women for relationship worthiness is much different than

used for money, free gifts, attention, free trips and just general favors.

How is that an equivalence?

TheBookOfSeil · 2018-03-16T20:25:30+00:00

Do you really think it's best to frame this as an argument about what people "should" be doing?

All that matters is what people do or don't do, and the point is that women don't like the guys that they aren't attracted to (obviously). That is why they are friends. They provide other material benefits but that does not qualify them as possessing genes that are "good for reproduction."

Part of what builds attraction is "the thrill of the hunt." If you're pursuing an animal that is crafty enough or strong enough to elude you every time you see it and "almost got it," it's going to make your desire to get it that much stronger. Similar to if you really like a video game but you're stuck on a really difficult level, your desire to play that game becomes much stronger. "Ahhhhh fuck I almost had it!.... -hits the replay button-.

If you've ever wanted something really bad and gotten it so easily, you lose both appreciation and desire for it, and that is where "friend zoned" guys end up.

Anyway, now that I've re-read the title correctly, some women don't honestly think or know that guys are pursuing sex/a relationship with them. They just perceive them as "friendly guys" who they enjoy sharing their time with. They're basically the equivalent of a female friend, and unless she wants to have sex with her female friends, she likely won't be having sex with those male friends either, unless she wanted to already.

People size up each other initially and form an opinion of them the very first time they meet. If it is decided that you're "just a friend" and not good relationship material, then you're basically stuck with that label.

If you're suggesting that women should take initiative and have enough forethought to read into the situation with men that approach them to say "Hey, just to let you know, I don't see this going anywhere, so unless you want to just be platonic friends, I don't think we should continue speaking with each other," they're most likely not going to do that. The vast majority of them anyway.

Women do not communicate directly (for the most part), so if you're communicating indirectly that you want a relationship/sex with them, expect them to communicate indirectly whether they want to or not, and if you misunderstand, that is on you for not being direct and assuming that things "just happen like this." They can, but they don't, a lot of the time.

These communication differences cause a lot of problems and waste time, so be direct with women because you can't expect them to be direct with you.

GearHeadLovesChevies · 2018-03-16T22:05:16+00:00

I think that once you know a person is interested in a physical relationship with you, if you don't reciprocate that then you need to make that VERY clear up front. Also I think after that, IF the person still decides to remain close to you then you need to start being really careful about how you treat them and watching out that you don't send mixed signals. Getting someone's hopes up for nothing is just MEAN.

I don't "friendzone" dudes... according to the definition of friendzone that seems to be prevalent online which is basically "Women USING men who want to sleep with them for money and attention, but never sleeping with them" ( I take exception to the use of the word "friend" in this concept... you don't use and abuse FRIENDS dammitt and the descriptions of friendzoning just seem abusive to me )

When a dude expresses interest in hanging out with me, if he's an interesting person to me we will hangout. My criteria for physical attraction and what attracts me to another person for friendship aren't always the SAME THING. I don't "human" well but by the end of any first hangout with a member of the opposite sex even I can tell if they want it to move forward into a sexual relationship at some point. If I'm not interested in a dude in a sexual way, I will flat out tell him I'm not interested in that. Then it's HIS choice if he wants to keep hanging out with me....but it's also MY responsibility to not give him false hope.

I don't think I really make a big deal out of "not-friendzoning-dudes"... I just pay extra attention to feelings of guys who have wanted to hookup or have a relationship with me if they choose to stay in my sphere. I do make it a priority to introduce them to other women I think they'd like / would like THEM.

I'm really having a problem with why this seems such a hard concept for so many people to grasp. I guess this is what I get for not really "internetting" much in life.

I've been on reddit about a week and I keep saying to myself things like:

Do people just not treat each other decently anymore? Do people just not WANT to treat other people decently or is it they just don't know HOW? HOW can you not know how to be a decent person??

WTF is wrong with everyone?

BiggerDthanYou · 2018-03-16T09:20:48+00:00

How are these comparable?

One is a guy that is acting as if he wants a relationship and tells her he loves her over and over only to dump her after getting sex. That guy is actively deceiving.

The other one is a girl that meets a guy that acts just as asexual as her female friends and who never makes a move on her. She isn't actively deceiving him; there's no way that she could have known that he's straight and interested even though he acts like her gay best friend.

I don't understand friendzoned guys that blame her for leading him on. "I acted as asexual as possible and as if I'm only interested in friendship, but that dumb whore led me on by acting as if I'm only interested in a friendship"

How are women supposed to read his mind and how are they supposed to figure out what his intentions are if he doesn't follow regular dating scripts?

HarpyMaster · 2018-03-16T13:06:16+00:00

See how much he’s willing to sacrifice for you and what lengths he’s willing to go to be with you, and then decide whether or not he’s worthy of sex with you.

this.

Aaren_Augustine · 2018-03-16T07:40:58+00:00

Girls want attention like men want pussy.

A man plating a woman is equivalent to a woman with a beta orbiter.

If your the type of guy fucking woman you hardly know, honesty is probably none of your concern. If your the type of girl accepting beta orbiter commitment without sex, aka gifts attention, your probably not concerned with honesty.

The thing TRP and feminism did was destroy immoral concepts. So the question now is are you a moral or amoral person? Lots of mental rationalizations on both sides to be HONEST.

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auto-xkcd37 · 2018-03-16T15:26:16+00:00

Yeah if you actually tell him what's up then I'd say it's open season within some basic ethical limits. Like, if his mom's dying of cancer then maybe dial that shit down a bit...

and then decide whether or not he’s worthy of sex with you

I think you're probably going to find this fails as a justification - but let me know how many times it turns out "Yes he is!" turns out to be the answer, I could be wrong. But if you're just straight up honest with yourself too and are like "I know he's only helping me move cause of the crush, but I'll take it he's a grown-ass adult." then it's fine he's made his choice.

HauntedPepper · 2018-03-16T20:28:37+00:00

Getting friend zoned is less of a problem when you're talking to more than one woman. Always suspect that a woman is not being upfront and that you are being used for something, even if it's just attention. The truth is that there are strings attached to every relationship, and that unconditional love doesn't exist in these cold, materialistic days. And don't be deceived, as good as you think you are, there is always someone better, and a woman is always looking for better. This is why women constantly tell each other not to settle.

rulenumber303 · 2018-03-17T03:08:43+00:00

There are dangers in giving someone an overt answer to a question that is being posed covertly. Generally if someone is covert about asking a question it is because they just can't stand to hear a NO... go ahead and volunteer that overt NO and you risk an explosion of rage that you have no real defense against... you can't even say "but you asked" because there's no overt evidence of the asking. He never did ask... he made it known but he never asked.

If the person posing that covert question gets their covert answer but refuses to "hear" the covert answer, refuses to make the sensible deduction that is necessary for covert question/answer to work, then the person being questioned has been the one placed in a bad ongoing situation by the person posing the covert question. Men are not "friend-zoned"... men put women in difficult situations by asking questions covertly and then deliberately not hearing the clear but covert responses, then have the gall to place the blame on women by inventing the "friend-zone" as a concept.

When i was young I sort of thought a woman might have an obligation to set such guys right. As I aged and saw more of the world I came to the opposite conclusion. If someone asks a question covertly they should take it upon themselves to accept and correctly interpret a covert response. She never asks/encourages/organises you to touch her intimately She's just not into you. She calls you up to buy her a steak dinner, eats it, borrows $50 and leaves with another guy she had come pick her up? She's just not that into you and has started levying fines for the shitty situation you are attempting to inflict on her. Guys need to listen to that answer that is being delivered in the same way they delivered their question. if you expect another person to hear you when you communicate in a certain way it is reasonable for them to expect you make an effort to hear them when they do the same.

So now I support nature's justice in this matter... that if a guy goes around doing this eventually he will find a woman who cuts him no slack and uses him ruthlessly until he gets the message. He'll end up penniless and pantsless in a foreign city, while she's partying with hot guys on his dime. She's doing a public service, risking an explosion of rage from him but still doing a public service. If that is what it took him to realise that there is a consequence to his behavior then well done to her for doing what it took.

wageovsin · 2018-03-17T06:09:29+00:00

yes and tell him why. men in this generation think attraction is to relative. that their is no objective standards. and masculine polarity matters not.

MisterJose · 2018-03-18T18:50:50+00:00

What you're talking about is leading someone on and keeping yourself in a position of power for your own benefit, which...yeah don't kid yourself that's what you'd be doing in what you describe. Also, when that guy moves on with a massive grudge of misogyny about how manipulative shits women are, don't pretend you're not to blame for it. I can't make your choices for you, but I would just try to shoot down any attempts to rationalize it as something more positive.

newName543456 · 2018-03-18T23:57:08+00:00

It doesn't matter if they are honest about it, it should be known to happen anyway and guys should no longer fall for that. If they do, it's pretty much their fault at this point.

Do I appreciate dishonesty? Not at all. But if they are dishonest, what else can you do about it?

JezebeltheQueen5656 · 2018-04-05T17:48:27+00:00

No, Women shouldn't do shit. In fact, I will encourage women to take full advantage of friendzoned guys. Oh, all under plausible deniability. Friendzone is a male-made term; it doesn't objectively exist.

jpin86 · 2018-05-17T11:47:56+00:00

If I’m casually hooking up with a guy I’m not into, I explain that upfront so that he can protect his feelings

[deleted] · 2018-03-16T15:01:57+00:00

Yes, women should be honest with the men they friendzone/send into orbit. They should tell a guy straight out

"I am not interested in you romantically or sexually, at all. You and I are never ever going to have sex together, not today, not tomorrow, not next week, not ever. Put it out of your mind because it is not going to happen, ever."

But the info is out there now, even for those guys who didn't "get it" and have to read about it and then put it into practice. So the most honest statements he's going to get from her are

--continued rejections

--"You're so NICE!"

--"You're such a good... FRIEND!" (While patting him on the back/arm)

--"Why can't I ever find great guys like YOU to date?!"

When a guy is getting these responses, she's telling him, as honestly as she can muster, that he's in the friendzone.

Is this lie by omission one that women should continually implement to get what they want from men?

They shouldn't, but they will. Women know very well what they're doing. It's not going to stop.

Should we turn a blind eye to women that do this and/or encourage more women to do the same for guys that they just want to keep temporarily?

No, but even when we shine a light on it, women will still do it.

To what extent do you think we should go to protect the feelings of friend zoned guys or pump and dumped girls?

None whatsoever. I would like women to be more direct and honest. I think they should be. I think more men need to have it laid out for them as plain as can be that it's not going to happen with most girls. Ladies, reject these guys and reject them hard with no holds barred in no uncertain terms.

As for pumped and dumped girls, same thing. The difference with girls is that they KNOW they're getting pumped and dumped - she has most likely gotten no indicia of commitment or even affection whatsoever from the man who will pump and dump her, or has just pumped and dumped her. They are well aware of what's happening. Women know the score, much better than men do. Men have a lot of catching up to do.

wracky272 · 2018-03-16T14:07:54+00:00

I believe /u/Mr_Smoogs coined the female version of this as "The Fuck Zone", a term I'm fond of and which describes the situation perfectly.

At the end of the day, it's a person's own responsibility to walk away from a relationship or interaction that isn't in their best interests. If you haven't communicated your explicit expectations to the other person, you have no room to complain.

Knowingly taking advantage of people isn't moral just because they know they're being taken advantage of, however. "Hey this dude keeps lending me money and I never pay him back! What a sucker!" Sure, that guy's an idiot for continuing to lend money, but that doesn't exonerate your actions or make them morally good.

YetAnotherCommenter · 2018-03-16T14:55:43+00:00

Yes. Absolutely. 100% honest. Bluntly so, with no plausible-deniability or so-called diplomacy. Brutal honesty is mandatory.

Of course most women will shy away from this because if they were brutally honest they'd incur substantial costs. Like "less men willing to buy her drinks."

But being honest makes you a better person.

officerkondo · 2018-03-16T15:30:48+00:00

Perhaps women are too nice.

Am I still high from last night? Usually, I'm sober the next morning.

What is your opinion on not being honest about it at all

Deception is always a valid strategy. Anyone who chooses not to use it is a fool.

See how much he’s willing to sacrifice for you and what lengths he’s willing to go to be with you, and then decide whether or not he’s worthy of sex with you.

You can use that strategy, but every man knows that you gave it up to other guys without making them jump through any hoops. So, why should he have to do more than all the fuckboys who came before him?

Use that opportunity to ~~date~~ fuck around

FTFY

Title	Should women be honest with guys that they friend zone?
Author	rainisthelife
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Date	March 16, 2018 7:24 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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