CMV: The Red Pill prejudice against women

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2016-11-21T15:14:25+00:00

If you don't include the premise that men and women are different in crucial ways then it looks like prejudice.

[deleted] · 2016-11-21T15:32:26+00:00

It's almost like we think men and women are different or something

Sepean · 2016-11-21T13:14:55+00:00

A traditional girl with solid values, low n-count, takes care of her looks, can delay gratification, pleasant company, submissive, that type of girl is praised. What you have an issue with is that we have frame and evaluate girls per what value they add to our lives instead of just thinking that Women Are Wonderful.

Also, weak men get shat on regularly on all the red pill subreddits. There's a lot of disdain for all the fat and supplicant guys out there. There's certainly no free passes for men (though even if there were, that would be fine - these are subreddits for men, not for women).

planejane · 2016-11-21T14:17:31+00:00

You've picked out a very good reason of why I identify as Purple. I'll gladly concede many different sexual characteristics and behaviors and the idea that a large portion of gender roles are innate, and that men face some very real struggles brought on by overenthusiastic and at times outright hateful and oppressive parts of feminism.

The relentless TeamMan-ing of RP isn't something I can get behind, though, and I have met very few Reds who don't religiously support TeamMan.

brrtmew · 2016-11-21T18:15:04+00:00

Single mothers aren't scum, but TRP says don't offer them commitment because you will never be a priority and the nature of the single mother situation makes it a higher risk to your financial independence and security.
A woman who has a ton of sex is not a low value slut, but it is a "red flag" that promiscuity is a larger risk for her partner if she sleeps around alot. Men who are "Studs" are success stories in the sense that they offer some value outside of their genitals that helps them get laid. Since TRP values getting sex as a biological imperative, of course they are seen as successes.
AWALT is misunderstood. If you remember that women tend to act and do certain things you are at least able to predict actions and manage a relationship. Of course this can slip into a bad situation, either from forgetting that the sexes have different priorities or by abusing the knowledge of how the other sex thinks on average. Its not about any special snow flake, its a general piece of knowledge about snow. You aren't special and neither is she.
This is a generalization but should be considered: Men get more opportunities in life later as they acquire wealth and experience because those are things women desire in a mate. Men desire youth and physical beauty before wealth and accomplishments.

TRP isn't about winning against someone else, its about understanding that Disney is fake, you are not special, and until you accept the base differences between the sexes you will be lost.

I get the dislike, its not for everyone. The message is sometimes mixed with some weird flavors of sexism and hate. Its core is improve yourself and here are some tips to get laid or ripped or respect. If it works its used, if its not its hot air and harmless. Angry posts are men mourning their discovery that fairy tales are fake and they have been wasting time trying to create one.

questioningwoman · 2016-11-21T12:33:13+00:00

The red pill ideas spreading actually encourages me to do whatever I want. There seems to be nothing to lose because I'd get criticized either way and there's almost nothing to win for being narrowly in their standards because you don't get much in return and have to give up so much of yourself and your happiness to get to that point. It's giving me the opposite effect on me because I see myself as having nothing to lose. There's no one freer than someone with nothing to lose.

exit_sandman · 2016-11-21T13:25:54+00:00

Single moms are evil scum, single dads are okay

If we're talking about single dads who are sole (or main) caretakers of their kids (and not about randos knocking up women and dumping her): the average single dad is better than the average single mom, for one simple reason - women usually end up with the children by default, regardless of their own capabilities or their commitment to the wellbeing of the kids, while men single dads have to meet certain standards, the willingness to take care of the kid not being the least among them.

Lots of sex makes a woman a low value slut, lots of sex makes a man a high value stud

For a similar reason, high N men are better than high N women for one simple reason: you can be a high N woman without having any redeeming features to show for; while as a high N man, you again need to meet certain standards.

If a woman does anything interesting she is just doing it for attention

I hope not.

AWALT is prejudice on it's own

So...?

Men age like a fine wine, women age like cheese

Milk, not cheese.

The list goes on. Basically, a woman can't win in the eyes of a TRP man, they're going to be demonised for whatever they do it.

Yeah, being vilified on the basis of gender alone really sucks, does it?

ThrowawayCactus6012 · 2016-11-21T13:37:47+00:00

I think you're grossly exaggerating the situation, although I won't deny that there might be some level of prejudice against women. But you have a tendency to distort things beyond a reasonable level. Just like many others of your ilk, you take a single criticism of a single woman behaving badly and turn it into an attack on ALL women. That's not to say that there aren't some attacks on all women coming from RP, but the way that you exaggerate, distort, and obfuscate, it's hard to believe that you're looking at this with an objective eye.

I don't think you have a proper understanding or evaluation of what it is you're challenging. This goes along with something I posted earlier to someone else - liberals, progressives, and others in the "SJW" camp are really incredibly out of touch with anything outside of their own insular bastions and safe spaces. You're a perfect example, u/SipsSparklingWater . Every time you post, it's like you're posting as some outer space visitor coming to Earth for the first time. The shtick was cute at first, but it's really starting to wear off.

Gittr · 2016-11-21T14:18:02+00:00

Red Pill is more of a backlash against Radical Feminism, which includes the feminization of men and the masculization of women. The "everyone is equal" BS. Of course the ire of men has certainly come through TRP and OP makes some good points.

TRP men want a return to something more "traditional" but they dont know how to articulate it properly, and alot of it gets lost in anger and frustration. But yes, this is what I dont like about TRP. TRP is male-centric and it needs to mature to something that includes a woman's perspective.

BPremium · 2016-11-21T15:53:30+00:00

Lots of sex makes a woman a low value slut, lots of sex makes a man a high value stud

No, don't forget that women just get sex thrown at them and filter through partners, while men have to work for it.

Therefore yes - if she sleeps with lots of men, then sex with her is not as valuable. Kinda like if everyone can buy something - it's cheap.

And with men you got the causal relationship wrong. It's not just that lots of sex makes him a stud. It's that having certain qualities makes him a stud and lots of sex follows.

Transmigratory · 2016-11-21T16:12:46+00:00

I'm more amazed you care enough about TRP to say the same thing with different packing/posts.

Of course, like a few I've encountered, you're guilty of not actually reading the content. Rather you probably red a line that triggered you and thus you made a post.

A TRP man will never see a woman as a angel that can do no wrong, so it is best you give up on trying. In fact if you want to make everything thing women are angels that can do no wrong, perhaps that an avenue to explore: why is that necessary?

The notions are: - Do not get involved with single mothers - Yes loads of sex makes women low value because they can get it easy and having lots of it suggests anyone can get in there. Whereas with a guy there's a lot more he has to do, thus it is a feat when he does. All things equal, it wouldn't matter but the fact women are the gatekeepers of sex makes them sluts if their gates aren't very hard to penetrate. - Depends, a lot of the time it seems to be the case. However I can't readily say that because you didn't elaborate what you meant. - AWALT is a guide which shows the general trend that seems to be in place. - This notion is based on the fact that men's resources are what women want and the fact that women's looks are what men want.

Of course unless you want to have a RP man, secretly, then this shouldn't bother you.

butiwasdrunk · 2016-11-21T16:20:42+00:00

I was going to agree completely with you reading the title. But the specifics you bring up are not the best to make your case. Let me begin by saying that TRP has a male bias just like feminism has a female bias even though they claim to be about gender equality. That being said:

Men age like fine wine because they aren't judged as severely on looks as they age. Its a factual observation.
AWALT isn't to be taken literally. It means that all women, by the fact of their gender do have certain common characteristics. Its the equivalent of saying that men are usually aggressive..that is not a comment on an individual person.
I haven't come across this in TRP and please define what you mean by interesting.
Lots of sex doesn't make a woman anything. But certainly plenty of men prefer women who aren't promiscuous. Since men "Chase" in the relationship, TRP does believe that sleeping with multiple women is a conquest and that for women its easy to sleep around.
I don't know what that comes from either. There a few specific kinds of female types that TRP hates. Please be more specific and give references for us to understand.

The main point of your argument is that a woman can't win in TRP. I think thats not true. Some of the posts are caustic, but the TRP theory itself has a clear definition of the ideal woman. I think she's often described as the first mate of the captain of the ship.

[deleted] · 2016-11-21T17:31:38+00:00

Sure she can. Welcome to the real world, where you are judged by what you bring to the table, not what you are.

TBH, you'll never see any of this. What you think of as some outward projection of desire, in reality, is our mental checklist. Too many flags and we simply put you in the 'friend zone', which for you, means you can have some dick on the regular, but that's all.

It's OK if you don't want that, wish you well.

Having said that, I like the assumption that you're getting garden variety schlub... The other part is the invisible bit, where we work our ass off to be worth of such high standards

Christian_Kong · 2016-11-21T20:36:50+00:00

Now, I while I don't frequent the TRP sub, it's part of my overall feed and I disagree, especially with your examples:

Single moms are evil scum, single dads are okay

While there is a good amount of single mom hate(which I agree with to an extent), who gives a shit about single dads. I never see posts praising single dads, ever. It's would seem way off topic for the sub.

Lots of sex makes a woman a low value slut, lots of sex makes a man a high value stud

Stud is another word for slut and holds a more positive light because it takes a lot of work to be stud. In the end both are sluts and in my opinion(as well as many others) sluts are a high risk venture when looking for a LTR. TRP barely hates on sluts, other than saying they are probably better to avoid if looking for a LTR. I don't really see people saying slutty girls are terrible people to hang out with, work with, etc. Just that you need to be weary when dating them.

If a woman does anything interesting she is just doing it for attention

I don't really know what you are referencing here.

AWALT is prejudice on it's own

AWALT is just the easy way of saying, lots of women are like this and can/will very much do this when in this position(context of the AWALT being used). As said 1000000000 times it is not literal.

Men age like a fine wine, women age like cheese

When talking about stuff like this("the wall") it's more of a reassurance that you can still do very well as you age. You should under no circumstances settle for non optimal situations. If you carry yourself properly you can be a player into your 40's or LTR/marry a woman that hits all the marks that you want without compromise at the right time of your life.

Women(again the sub is about how men interact with women) aging is often talked about in the sense of "the wall" and people(of both sexes) need to be very careful dealing with people(of both sexes) that are hitting their wall. People hitting the wall will act much differently than who they really are. Before you go into a marriage or long term connection(children) people need to be aware that people will put up an act to get what they want(be it marriage/children/financial security) and this is a very weak foundation for a relationship that can end up in disaster. I don't often see TRP saying that women automatically get fat, stupid, bitchy, crazy, low sex drive, etc just because of age.

In short much of TRP is the anti "women are wonderful" that gets taught to all to many young men.

DarkLord0chinChin · 2016-11-21T13:06:48+00:00

I'm not prejudiced against shit. Shit is just shit

fuxdpus · 2016-11-21T12:45:15+00:00

These double standards are held up by both women and in society.

Single moms are evil scum, single dads are okay

Men don't want to put up with other men's rugrats. But women would rather become the next baby mother of a deadbeat dad than settle for a childless beta nice guy before their ovaries dry up like the Sahara Desert.

Lots of sex makes a woman a low value slut, lots of sex makes a man a high value stud

Once again, women play into this. They'd rather fuck the promiscuous player than the loser nice guy virgin. Guys who get lots of other women are hawwwt. Guys who can't get laid are creeeeeepy losers.

If a woman does anything interesting she is just doing it for attention

A lot of women (and some narcissistic men too) are attention whores.

Men age like a fine wine, women age like cheese

Again, look at society. RP didn't make this up. Young women still fuck elderly alpha males, but men aren't lining up to date Oprah Winfrey or that Australian billionaire woman (forget her name).

[deleted] · 2016-11-21T13:32:47+00:00

Single moms are evil scum, single dads are okay

A woman who was married and turned out to have a shitlord as a husband, yeah. I won't hold it against her. But some chick that got pregnant from a thug/chad and now wants me to raise the kid? LOL NAH.

Besides. I have no interest in having kids.

Lots of sex makes a woman a low value slut, lots of sex makes a man a high value stud

lol. Lots of sex doesn't make a woman a low value slut. The more dicks the girl has had inside of her the more i'm turned on. I love me some putain. Hoes are great.

lots of sex makes a man a high value stud

Yes, it does. Since sex is harder to get for men - 'free' sex - the man who can get lots of sex from different women and preferably from attractive women is a high value stud. Cue in Casanova, the chadest of all the chads.

If a woman does anything interesting she is just doing it for attention

What interesting things do women do?

AWALT is prejudice on it's own

No, its not. AWALT is the revelation that women can't be trusted.

Men age like a fine wine, women age like cheese

Men and women age like shit. Past the age of 25 most people's smv plummets from 5 to 0.

[deleted] · 2016-11-21T13:37:43+00:00

Lots of sex makes a woman a low value slut, lots of sex makes a man a high value stud

I think even most of the blue pillers agree with this one though. Female studs exist, they lock down high value men in monogamous relationships and get them to wed. Being a stud can be obtained by both genders, it just meets a different criteria because we have different goals and values

Single moms are evil scum, single dads are okay

Yeah I don't get this either, I mean I never want to date a single mom but I don't think of them as "evil".

If a woman does anything interesting she is just doing it for attention

I think this tends to be true when its in front of a camera, obviously we don't spend most of our lives in front of a camera. But this is the internet, so people refer to social media more than they would if they were having a discussion ion person

BPremium · 2016-11-21T13:42:38+00:00

Women can totally win in TRP eyes. Just become one of the Stepford wives, marry and want ( in every sense of the word ) a average nerdy guy. Do your best to make him happy.

Boom, you just won! :-D

[deleted] · 2016-11-21T12:53:00+00:00

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trpobserver · 2016-11-21T13:41:24+00:00

Single moms mostly got there through irresponsibility, single dads less so (since custody usually goes to the mother). Usually when a man is irresponsible in this way he is miles away from the kid, only existing in the form of child support payments. Its not black and white, its a ranking. I don't think people are scum for making bad decisions, though I do have a major distaste for bad parents, regardless of gender.

Q: If you were going to be born to a family in the US, and all you knew was the relationship status and gender of the parent(s), which would be the best choices, ranked from worst to greatest?

A: Single mother < single father < two parents

Lots of sex makes a woman less likely to be able to maintain a long term relationship, lots of sex makes a man more experienced with women, desensitized, and thus more desirable as he doesn't treat women like magical angels.
If a woman does anything interesting she is more masculine than average, or she is doing it with a large group.

adrixshadow · 2016-11-21T16:58:39+00:00

That's because they are the original sin. Joking, joking.

Evolution has not created things to be fair, women always reproduce while men no so much, so trouble is inevitable in this kind of contorted system. It incentivized the bad kind of things.

Furthermore the structure of our current society and its culture has let women free themselves of any responsibility. If TRP has grievances its because of good reasons. It could be said the gritty truth is that current women are fucking evil.

LifterofThings · 2016-11-21T19:19:06+00:00

You're ignoring context entirely. Men and women are different, thus it naturally follows that the upsides and downsides of being a man versus being a woman will be different, and the standards that we hold for men and women will be different.

I can throw out a bunch of glib one-liners capturing popular partially-accurate assumptions about men, too:

Men are incompetent parents.

Men are incapable of controlling their sexual urges.

If a man does something nice, he must feel entitled to sex.

Men are emotionally retarded.

gopher_glitz · 2016-11-22T02:02:53+00:00

Men judge women differently than men because men aren't trying to be with men.

ianiemasns · 2016-11-22T05:24:30+00:00

The whole deal with TRP is that men should look down on women, because doing so makes them more fuckable. Holding these prejudices just makes that easier.

[deleted] · 2016-11-22T16:14:30+00:00

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What is this?

SetConsumes · 2016-11-22T19:35:45+00:00

Why do you post? You don't care.

Yes rp is prejudiced against women and for good reason.

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Title	CMV: The Red Pill prejudice against women
Author	SipsSparklingWater
Upvotes	13
Comments	304
Date	November 21, 2016 12:27 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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