Do you think this new barbie model is fat and encourages being obese?

cxj · 2016-01-29T19:21:19+00:00

Not at all, she looks way better. She's got meat on her thighs and more of a pear shape :)

Fat would have much more fat around the waist and arms.

BaadKitteh · 2016-01-29T19:28:07+00:00

She's not anything even approaching "fat"; she's just moderately more realistic than traditional Barbie. Traditional Barbie is built to literally impossible measurements. Anyone who thinks a normal body is "encouraging obesity" is flat out retarded.

This Barbie won't encourage obesity because it doesn't show obesity. The old Barbie could, and did, present an unachievable standard of "beauty" to little girls, but I think most little girls figured that out pretty quickly and I don't think they hurt most people in any lasting way. The ones they did hurt were probably also parented poorly and had self-esteem issues unrelated to dolls because of it. So while I do not believe there is any damage in the traditional Barbie, I also have no problem with their new, more varied offerings that include not just a slightly more realistic body shape but taller and shorter dolls. I wish I'd had different heights and shapes of dolls when I was a girl; I think it would have been interesting.

Oh, and obesity is whatever the medical standard for obesity is currently, in my opinion.

drok007 · 2016-01-29T12:25:34+00:00

There's also a new Barbie who is even taller and skinnier than the original Barbie. Are they flipping out about that one, too?

windexo · 2016-01-29T17:02:44+00:00

I don't believe this encourages anything. However it could potentially normalize other sizes. Barbie's have not been well known for realism. Now that they have more obtainable features they will normalize how girls look at themselves.

summit_girl · 2016-01-29T14:58:12+00:00

The 'curvy' barbie is more like 'slim-fit female body'. The original one was completely unrealistic, you need some 2 or 3 less ribs to fit on that waist lol.

alreadyredschool · 2016-01-29T12:21:40+00:00

My gf complained about that one. The first one was too extreme and instead of making a normal one they make a fat one, it's like they don't even know how to make a normal one.

Does barbie really need a realistic body type? When I look at most dolls then they look pretty normal, maybe that was their unique selling point. And now they make a fat one to be unique again.

Obese is pretty fat, unattractive is pretty much everything above 15 and 25% body fat. *some rare body types excluded.

I think parents make kids fat, not toys.

MindTheFuture · 2016-01-29T13:45:30+00:00

Meh. The Monster High are the best dolls around, who cares about the Barbie.

Interversity · 2016-01-29T12:23:14+00:00

Do you think this new model will encourage obesity more in children? And when we are talking about obesity, please define what you think that is.

No. Anyone who claims that this will 'encourage obesity' should be clawing their eyes out already over the normalization of the American style diet (extreme levels of carbs, lots of added sugar, mostly processed, low in vegetables/fruits) and the general trend of an increase in weight and a decrease in exercise.

Let us also recognize that the proportions of the new barbie are quite similar in many regards to the old, proportions that would not support human life. The length and width of the neck, the length of the legs, even the still-relatively-small waist. It seems less like a 'more realistic' look and more like they slapped some fat in random places on the original and widened the hips to an absurd degree.

GoldPilot · 2016-01-29T15:02:45+00:00

In what universe is that "fat?" Reminds me of Joan from Mad Men.

GridReXX · 2016-01-29T14:42:40+00:00

No.

This Barbie just has actual hips and likely gets her period.

Old Barbie wasn't birthing anything.

djchazradio · 2016-01-29T13:47:24+00:00

Jesus Christ that new "curvy" Barbie is slimmer than my wife!

Also smaller. And shorter. And a doll.

twopumpkins · 2016-01-29T13:13:46+00:00

Can somebody please tell me how shitting your fucking pants over a DOLL is going to help get you laid? What the fuck is the matter with them?

[deleted] · 2016-01-29T14:12:42+00:00

Personally, between the two versions, I think the new one has a "hotter" body type than the original. That being said, I'm a fan of curvy women like Christina Hendricks (Mad Men era, not when she was younger. she was far too skinny then).

As to if this doll will cause obesity?! McDonalds has far more influence on that issue.

GaiusScaevolus · 2016-01-29T14:46:15+00:00

I don't really think it will encourage obesity, except insofar as barbie miniatures are sold with Happy Meals.
I've never understood the argument that Barbie is 'unrealistic', I know several girls with a 'barbie build', so unless we're saying it in the way that all dolls/ action figures are unrealistic, I think we are being nonsensical.
Barbie is a play toy and a fantasy object. Of course she has a body type in the 'ideal', it's fantasy. Similar to how G.I.Joe has served for over 50 years without aging, going bald, or losing muscle tone, or developing PTSD. Same reason Batman/Superman/He-Man/Spider-man/etc. are all either jacked or ripped or both.
If we're interrupting the fantasy of play for realism, I argue we should go full on. Ken should now have a dadbod and a receding hairline. Barbie dream house becomes the Barbie 3rd floor apartment (comes with 1 random roommate). Doctor Barbie and CEO Barbie should be replaced with LNA Barbie and Administrative Assistant Barbie. If realism is so important, let's go full on.

yasee · 2016-01-29T17:01:38+00:00

No, I don't think this will encourage obesity in children because the "curvy" Barbie is not obese

[deleted] · 2016-01-29T15:43:22+00:00

My goku and vegeta action figures encouraged me to go super saiyan

buartha · 2016-01-29T15:06:16+00:00

Nothing says 'sexual strategy sub for men' like catastrophizing over a toy for little girls.

Seriously though, while this particular barbie looks like she's just the upper end of a healthy weight, I do think that normalisation of very large models (as in morbidly obese rather than 'plus size' in the sense that the modeling world originally used it) could make people who are overweight more comfortable in their bodies, and thus less likely to actively try to lose weight, but there's a whole industry promoting unhealthy attitudes to food that's probably fueling the fires more than fat girls in bikinis, so I really can't bring myself to get too worked up over that sort of thing.

ianturpiesmoustache · 2016-01-29T12:31:29+00:00

So on TRP, there's been a whole outrage over the new Barbie model.

That is too cute! Glad to see they're worried about the big issues, like dollies for little kids.

Now, I would call this just a bit curvy and certainly a more realistic body type than the previous one.

Yep, pretty much. She's got a fair sized arse on her, but that's, you know, how a lot of women are shaped. Literally no woman in the history of the world has been shaped like the old barbie... where would the internal organs go?

And the next question: in the TRP thread, there are lots of comments claiming that this will encourage obesity in children. Now, first off I would say that this barbie really does not have an unhealthy body, but even so, did the first barbie model ever stop people from getting obese?

What a bunch of wowsers. No, it won't encourage obesity at all (any more than He Man dolls encouraged dudes to grow into hulking man-beasts), and that doll is nowhere near obese, anyway.

BiggerDthanYou · 2016-01-29T12:05:44+00:00

Don't take them too serious.

In this case they are behaving as paranoid as always

gay marriage will be the downfall of civilization and will destroy the family unit

immigrants will destroy our civilization and will be the downfall of our glorious white culture

a non-anorexic Barbie doll is the downfall of our civilization and will make all people fat

They are scared of change.

sofcknwrong · 2016-01-29T18:10:47+00:00

At times like these, I really miss "Celebrity Deathmatch".

BaadKitteh · 2016-01-29T12:32:52+00:00

no to both questions in the title.

edit: i guess i hadn't looked at barbie in a while... the original looks like a lollipop. is her head actually bigger than her waist?! haha.

statsfodder · 2016-01-29T14:37:21+00:00

He man??? Does he come with an ex-wife and a beer gut?? Seeing as we are all about realism...

If you can't hit the societal norm then complain and complain until it is changed to suit you....

Thanks femme tards for ruining my kids futures.

LifterofThings · 2016-01-30T02:45:19+00:00

No, and no.

Being obese is willingly taking on a lowly social status and no number of "fat acceptance!!!" cakewalks is going to change that. The ratio of "being fat is awesome!" to "here's a new diet/exercise regime to lose weight!" messages out there is still really low.

I think there's some nuance here that a lot of people miss-- actively encouraging people to get fat, and suggesting that fat people needn't loathe themselves quite so profoundly are different things.

MakeEmSayAyy · 2016-01-30T05:28:06+00:00

I just expected better out of America. We should feel ashamed everyone here is fat.

lbspredh · 2016-01-30T09:44:18+00:00

nah it's not about body image teething toddlers just need something more substantial to chew on than a stick thin barbie.

besides you need to be fatter than that to qualify as obese, that said she's clearly not counting calories or working out too much, and honestly the real problem I'm seeing is that clearly neither of these barbies has been to the gym lately.

wombatinaburrow · 2016-01-30T10:56:51+00:00

She looks bizarre. Thunderthighs Barbie.

Gnometard · 2016-01-31T01:26:04+00:00

Curvy is about bone structure. If your hips are only wide because you can't stop shoving food down your throat, you're fat.

DrunkGirl69 · 2016-01-29T18:04:37+00:00

Is nobody going to call Barbie out for becoming an overweight feminist complete with blue hair??

Xemnas81 · 2016-01-29T20:23:40+00:00

Can't wait for when they release HeMan: Cardio Bunny edition.

DivinePrince2 · 2016-02-01T08:52:29+00:00

No kid looks at a barbie and says 'i want that body' they just want to take her shopping and shit.

But yes she is fat as fuck and needs a diet.

I am obese and I hate it. It sucks. Don't become like me. Be healthy and enjoy life.

Karlo20 · 2016-01-29T12:32:01+00:00

Well the reason why they're so eager to change the original barbie is because they think she is too thin and encourages eating disorders. Now if we take this to be true then the current farm animal barbie will encourage obesity and overeating no?

I also like how toys for boys can have six pack abs and be ripped beyond any human capacity and have a mean look on his face and guns coming out of every orifice, but as soon as there is a barbie that isn't a fatass: "omg think of the children".

[deleted] · 2016-01-29T13:46:28+00:00

Well obviously from the company's perspective they are targeting a wider range of customers.

I don't think it encourages obesity, the media always pedestalizes skinny women and that didn't encourage women to be skinny did it?

exit_sandman · 2016-01-29T15:41:13+00:00

I don't think the barbie encourages obesity.

I do think the barbie was come up with because of the "body positive" idiots' campaigning.

BaadKitteh · 2016-01-29T16:42:17+00:00

I don't think it's "fat", but on a side note if they upgraded barbie to a more thin (and apparently realistic though some examples prove otherwise) version, then how is it that other superhero figures such as Superman, or Batman haven't been upgraded to a more realistic physique? After all, is this not an example of double standards, where women have the option of existing in many sizes, yet men must typically be at least 6 feet tall and a relatively slim build?

Christian_Kong · 2016-01-29T20:19:52+00:00

I feel like both dolls have unrealistic proportions. Skinny Barbie looks near death. Curvy Barbie looks like an borderline or overweight girl using a corset, or a girl with a bit of weight that happened to find its ways to the tits and ass.

Freshman 15 Barbie is a better name for the curvy one.

mc0079 · 2016-01-29T20:37:42+00:00

No...new Doll body = more sales from collectors and parents...It's probably a money thing. They also came out with new a slender tall version too...If Barbie sales weren't dipping they probably would't care, but Frozen and Disney princess dolls are muscling in on the territory.

anacrassis · 2016-01-29T23:43:53+00:00

That Barbie looks like it has an unhealthy BMI. But I really don't care what children's toys look like. I think that if a child learns that it's OK to be fat from a doll, the parents have failed to such a degree that if that doll didn't negatively affect the course of the child's life, any number of other possible negative influences would have.

[deleted] · 2016-01-30T03:13:54+00:00

Yes. It's disgusting.

[deleted] · 2016-01-29T17:31:11+00:00

Fat? No.

Those proportions look fucking stupid though.

closetrpw · 2016-01-29T23:14:33+00:00

The new barbie is still not normal. What was "fictional"/impossible about the original barbie was NOT how skinny she was but how long her legs were compared to the rest of her. The new Barbie keeps this same absurdly weird ratio and just makes her thicker. So yes, the new Barbie is fat and she just looks weird with those long legs.

If they wanted to make a more realistic Barbie and keep her pretty, they would have just shortened the legs. Maybeeee thickened the thighs but honestly an adjustment to the proportions was all they needed.

insurrecto · 2016-01-30T00:36:44+00:00

The original Barbie doesn't have normal human proportions, especially in the torso. The new Barbie is fat, not curvy.

And, yes, I do think that the new Barbie teaches people that being obese is "ok" and "normal." It isn't. Obesity is a disease.

Title	Do you think this new barbie model is fat and encourages being obese?
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Date	January 29, 2016 11:56 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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