What are some examples of extremely common beta behavior you see?

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December 12, 2019

The average man is so extremely beta i cant fucking believe it anymore. I didn't think we had an epidemic on our hands but recently I have seen some consistent shit that made question just how common this kind of behavior is.

Needy, jealous, mate guarding, submissive, soy, deference to women, easily manipulated, no spine or conviction. This shit is the default by the looks of it.

I still find it hard to believe how common this behavior is but i've seen it for the most part and it really is the norm. Most guys get by on contextual Alphaness initially (some lucky storm of preslection) or their looks. Then when it comes down to it their behaviour is just the most pussy drying shit imaginable and it doesnt last. Honestly. I've seen some good looking dudes, ripped as fuck and successful guys and their interactions with their girls are anything but what you'd imagine a successful man acting like.

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Title What are some examples of extremely common beta behavior you see?
Author Just1515
Upvotes 225
Comments 189
Date 12 December 2019 10:23 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]TheDero307 points308 points  (59 children) | Copy

I'm going to speak personally and say the biggest two are:

  • Being comfortable with mediocrity


  • Putting women on a pedestal

I've battled both of these things. It took me a very long time to view myself as a strong, dependable guy that gets shit done. I used to blame it on a lack of parental role models and financial status. And that goes back to the first point. For the longest time I moped around, working part time jobs, taking classes in a degree I didn't enjoy, and simping over girls on social media. I settled into this beta, risk-free lifestyle where I, unbeknownst to me, was setting myself up for a life of mediocrity and no pussy. All I did was make excuses for my poor decisions, and had no concept of confidence, with or without women.

Things I remember fondly that still make me internally cringe:

  • Liking girls pictures on Instagram, thinking they would in return message me and talk to me

  • Spending 10+ hours a day swiping on 4+ dating apps at a time. My pictures were absolute trash, my game was trash, etc. Absolute shitshow

  • Thinking I didn't need to go to the gym because some girls liked skinny guys. Seriously. I thought that was a great game plan

  • Taking shit from coworkers and never standing up for myself/brushing it off/finding a new job

  • Eating fast food 2-3 times a day

  • Video games 8+ hours a day while binge drinking coffee and ignoring any resemblance of a good diet

  • Thinking my problems would "sort themselves out because that's the way the universe works"

  • Texting girls 24/7, and being depressed the remainder of the day if they didn't reply.

  • Assuming girls weren't attracted to me and never making a move.

Feels great to type this stuff out because I realize how far I've come. Never stop improving yourself. Even on your worst days. Even if its .001%. Get better each day, never settle for what's comfortable and what's easy. Chase things that you want.

[–]Domebeers80 points81 points  (16 children) | Copy

Assuming girls weren't attracted to me and never making a move.

fell back in to this trap myself lately. Then I kicked my own ass, remembered the training, and just asked her out. Seeing her Saturday now. Always assume attraction. Doesn't 'cost' you anything to make a move if the girl isn't interested, and you stand to gain pussy.

[–]Nergaal40 points41 points  (14 children) | Copy

Always assume attraction

except not at your workplace. don't shit where you eat. in this day and age, assuming attraction at workplace is a recipe for disaster for fake alphas lurking around TRP

[–]Helmet_Icicle13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's not the point of the axiom, and you shouldn't get involved with coworkers.

You're doing it completely wrong if you think "Always assume attraction" means thinking "All women are attracted to me at all times." That's ludicrously off-base.

The point is to run interference on all the "But what if" nonsense lines of thought that do nothing but bring up reasons why you shouldn't take a chance.

[–]Domebeers5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, obviously. Never fuck at work. I'm a boss at my place so it's an even bigger no no. I don't even see female clients without the door being open.

[–]InsidiousCurve6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

This killed me pre-red pill days, I had changed a bit so my value was higher physically, but mentally I didn't make the shift. It just never occurred to me if you and her don't know each other that well and are going out together 1 on 1, especially at night(logistics) there is interest 95% of the time.

Building comfort and rapport without escalating is a trip straight into the friend zone.

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[–]mrmaika108 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

I mainly only text girls to set a time & place to meet up

[–]Snowaey12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, like everyone else who's red pill

[–]Snowboard181 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

yup im in college and when I don't text a girl for days at a time, they freak tf out cause that's what literally every guy does

[–]CastalianKnecht13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

Good reply. I can relate to these mistakes. Keep improving, brother

[–]TheDero6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks my guy. Still a long way to go but I always remember it's a marathon, not a sprint. Stay real

[–]jagdecat8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

F. This was me before TRP. Just wish I had these learnings before I wasted 30 years of my life.

The last two years have been mind boggling as to how much I've grown after TRP.

[–]i-am-the-prize1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The last two years have been mind boggling as to how much I've grown after TRP.

fuck yeah man. I lol when I see BP/white-knights shitting on RP and defending the BP life. Self loathing losers.

[–]TheWalkingNightmare5 points6 points  (8 children) | Copy

The real question is, how did you reinvent yourself?

[–]strengthenics20 points21 points  (7 children) | Copy

Not OP but the the first steps should be reading the side bar and internalize it, lift, and quit porn. Then read the sidebar again.

[–]TheWalkingNightmare14 points15 points  (4 children) | Copy

Thanks. I'm new here.

[–]TheDero5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

/u/strengthenics is correct. The sidebar is your new bible, it's there for a reason and it encapsulates all of the information RP preaches, as well as great guides and examples by some of the experts. Lifting & quitting porn bring you to a great baseline. Quitting porn was quite a process for me, could barely get hard in the bedroom even with a smoking hot 8. Took about a month of meditating and kegels until I finally was able to get it up with someone in person lmfao.

[–]TheWalkingNightmare0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Fuck bro...I'm getting into the same situation lately due to lots of porn. Imma have to quit porn too.

[–]i-am-the-prize6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

had no problem with porn addiction nor with ED... but I got a kegels app to remind/track me to do the exercises, and it's crazy. I do them about 3-5x a day and the app makes it harder every week (bad pun, but)

i have pornstar level control on when I choose to finish, and thanks to RP lifestyle (lifting, fitness, weighloss, more testosterone) I shoot ropes - and make a mess now all the time on my LTR. (she loves it. was previously prudish and "I don't like messes" nope, that was BS, like most things out of a womans mouth).

it's a reinforcing loop of confidence when I can decide when/how strong. it's nutso. and i do believe the kegels work is a contributing factor.

[–]schroedinger115 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Which app did you use?

[–]Channel_oreo0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

make sure to click the links though.

[–]i-am-the-prize3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

wait, what? I just read the titles like 3x and it's working for me bro, srsly

[–]Truedemocracy55 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Can identify with a lot of these. Bought into the “girls are into different types of guys” hook line and sinker. Wasn’t until I started lifting that had to beat women off me

[–]i-am-the-prize4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Even if its .001%. Get better each day,

Amen. incremental improvements with compounding over time are difficult for our brains to comprehend the power inherent in that program.

Great post and keep trucking.

[–]AshyBoneVR43 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Video games 8+ hours a day

Not gonna lie.... I fuckin miss this LOL.

[–]TheDero3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Same bro. The good times before all those responsibilities kick you in the ass. It's all good though, I still play Halo with some buddies on the weekends even if it's for an hour or two. I treasure those small gaming times more than the all day marathon bullshit.

[–]AshyBoneVR40 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Back when I used to play Destiny I used to roll with a clan. Great group of guys man. I know what you mean by value them.

[–]jagdecat2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

F. This was me before TRP. Just wish I had these learnings before I wasted 30 years of my life living the feminazi ideals.

The last two years have been mind boggling as to how much I've grown after TRP.

[–]theeverydayhustle1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Bookmarked this shit as reminder. 100% gold

[–]mrrooftops1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Aside from the obvious thing about the opposite sex, mediocrity is bang on. Totally and utterly beta behavior is to settle for 'good enough' or 'that'll do' in any walk of life, out of fear of putting in the extra effort to excel. Some people rationalize it as 'being pragmatic' but that's just a hamstered excuse.

[–]RednaxB1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Thinking I didn't need to go to the gym because some girls liked skinny guys. Seriously. I thought that was a great game plan

Jesus dude, not lifting okay but thinking oh yeah some girls like skinny guys that's just so cringey.

[–]TheDero2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Tell me about it man hahahah

[–]Yuurrr661 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

There's some girls who love skinny guys actually, weird but I've known some really attractive girls into thin guys

[–]noserotoninforu0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This was me to a T.

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[–]TheDero9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don't think it's too far fetched to recognize that it's a pattern in younger guys growing up nowadays. Is it social media? The internet? Accessible technology in general? Lack of role models? Fuck if I know. But I do know that this is generally always the reply when I talk about this stuff in person/online. The red pill was such an eye opener for me. Seems to be so many guys out there that are genuinely lost/confused on how to act a proper man and find fulfillment in genuine things.

[–]Warren_Bateman0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Congratulations man. Sounds like you have your feet under you.

[–]TheDero9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

The first step is definitely being able to recognize the underlying issues. The second is getting the balls to take action to fix them. When you have no one to look up to in your life for inspiration or leadership it can really keep you down for a while. Just want my fellow "young guys" to know that you can and should take a leap of faith. The red pill completely transformed my mentality and outlook on life, and I've never been happier. Don't know where I'd be right now without it.

[–]ShootingStar_Press2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

What did you read? I feel like there are just many ways to take the red pill as there are people who want to take it. Some trash, some great. Sounds like you did it the right way

[–]TheDero2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've read a good amount over the past 3 years or so. Sometime around the end of my freshman year in college I stumbled across the redpill subreddit and thats where it all began for me. I wasn't religious about it at the start. I was super beta but I wasn't dumb. I knew that if I wanted to change it would be a proccess. To name a few: The Manipulated Man, The Power of Now, The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck.

Those are the big ones that I remember. I believe there's a whole collection of books in the sidebar, I downloaded all of the epubs and had them on my phone and kindle.

The biggest tip I can offer is to just try and apply the redpill to your own life. If you try and tackle all of your issues too fast, you're going to crash and burn. The redpill is not a rulebook to me, it's more of a mentality. I'm no expert, I think guys just really relate to my story because I embodied all of the really common traits of a beta bitch. I know that there is alot of info out there and ways to approach success, just take it in small steps and remind yourself it's not going to happen overnight. I feel like lifting is the first stepping stone. It creates a solid habit, clears your mind and releases stress, and drastically improves your SMV when people see your physique change.

[–]MGTOWMODSSUCK0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I have always found in hard to gain visible muscle; i work out 5 days a week but I feel bloated if I eat in a calorie surplus and it hurts my energy levels throughout the day. I have had great success with girls despite that; I look skinny but fit. However, this post does make me wish I could compare myself with a more muscular physique to my current one just to see how much a difference it would make. I hear all the time how much better the grass is on the other side of the muscular hill but I’m not entirely convinced, I had a one eighty turn simply from changing my mindset and lifting for health.

How big a difference did that one in particular make for you? By that one I mean becoming muscular.

[–]jjbwrams12340 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I would really like to hear how when did the change started story.

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[–]TheDero0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You start by taking action. There's no cheat code to life, there's no cheat code to getting something done, there's no cheat code to avoiding failure. Listen man, I get the mental battle. Your brain is your biggest enemy. But all you have to do is just take action. Motivation is a fickle thing and you can't rely on it. What you can rely on is discipline. Can you give me an example of something you are scared of taking action on? That would allow me to narrow my advice.

[–]Hungboy696942086 points87 points  (5 children) | Copy

Supplicating to women, not leading, thinking they need to be friends w women first, thinking that being sexual towards women is wrong. I could go on ...

[–]askmrcia17 points18 points  (4 children) | Copy

thinking that being sexual towards women is wrong

I used to think that way in high school because I was always hearing stories of how a guy was creepy for hitting on women or being too pushy. Then I saw the same things in blogs, TV dramas, Teen shows, movies, ect...

The good ole "be friends with women first before you take it to the next level" or my favorite "keep dating her UNTIL SHE IS ready for sex."

Not to mention all the flyers plastered over high school walls that read "yes means no" and you should ask if a girl wants to go further. BS like that.

Then I don't know what it was, but one day I thought to myself "wait a minute, my cousin, brother and some of my friends were all known as d-bags according to women yet they kept getting women. Hmmm."

And that's when the light bulb in my head went off to not pay attention to women say, but watch what they do. Never looked back sense.

I think the biggest issue is you have way too many people spouting bullshit when it comes to relationships and sex. There are documentaries out there (one on netflix I saw recently) that talks about hookup culture and they act as if women are the victims in it.

Kind of rambling, but point is when I really thought about it lots of guys are brainwashed at an early age.

[–]krunchtimer2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The good ole "be friends with women first before you take it to the next level" or my favorite "keep dating her UNTIL SHE IS ready for sex."

This. I was guilty of thinking like this. What got me out of it was a combo of finding out directly from girls (edit:often after a drink) of just how quickly they'd fuck guys they'd known before me, as well as my own assertiveness of just going for it, and finding out I didn't need to be friends first bullshit.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Which Netflix doc did you watch??

[–]askmrcia0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I believe it was called Liberated "sexual revolution".

The beginning is about spring break hookup culture.

[–]screenmagnet0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It’s different in high school, though, because everyone is so young. Most girls are virgins and legitimately not ready to have sex with anyone. Girls don’t have the confidence or communication skills to assert their sexual boundaries and guys don’t have the experience and social skills to pick up on a girl’s subtle, non-verbal cues that indicate true discomfort. Add underage drinking into the mix and it’s a recipe for (even unintentional) sexual coercion. That’s why the “enthusiastic consent” messaging is important in high school and first semester of college (especially frosh week). The problem is that some BP men never grow out of it — they keep the same mindset (“I should ask her first if it’s okay to kiss her” etc) into their mid to late twenties. But while a fifteen year old virgin girl will find that slow pace of escalation (with explicit verbal consent) appropriately comforting and respectful, a mature, sexually experienced woman is going to get irritated or weirded out and quickly lose interest. This should be obvious, but for some reason, a lot of guys don’t seem to get it.

[–]fratercicero64 points65 points  (1 child) | Copy

Constantly rationalizing the decision to not make a move on a girl. Putting girls before your own best interest. Etc...

[–]Truedemocracy512 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

I would extend that and say rationalizing any bad decision. “I’ll start that diet next month” “I’ll go to the gym tomorrow” etc etc

[–][deleted] 54 points55 points  (5 children) | Copy

Sitting in relationships with shitty women and allowing the women to take the lead/abuse them is easily the number one.

Almost every married man I know has a wife who treats him like shit and spends his money and he is basically a servant to his wife. There are some exceptions, but the majority are like this.

Some highlights: My friend, let's call him Gary. Married with a son. He adores his son and is a great father. His wife tells him he cannot have friends and has to stay at home even though she's always going out to clubs and partying. He obeys. They had another baby last year. Baby is fucking Chinese. Gary just pretend it's not obvious he's not the father. We're all too awkward to say anything because it's so fucking obvious there's no way he doesn't already know so he's obviously just decided to put up with it.

Another friend, Gary 2, similar situation but just engaged. He actually looks like an alpha. His fiance makes him have no social life even though she goes out partying and spending all his money (she doesn't work). She cheated on him but said sorry so it's OK apparently. Last week she took his laptop and all his money and disappeared. Now he sits at home wishing she'd come back. I'm trying to slowly redpill him but I can't go down the "go out and fuck sluts bro" route because he's very conservative Christian and he isn't into all that. He is on okcupid tho so that's a start. He said he's arranged for some girl to come over so he can cook for her so there's something I guess, but I'm worried the cycle will just continue and if his fiance comes back he'll take her back.

Both of these guys are great dudes and a real pleasure to hang out with. They're funny, smart, and kind. It's a real shame.

[–]strengthenics14 points15 points  (3 children) | Copy

I feel like these examples are so extreme and the type of shit you only see in movies. I hope Gary 2 learned his lesson.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'm here to tell you they are very real.

I love Gary 2 and want the best for him but even if his fiance doesn't come back I predict he will repeat the pattern with someone else. He's from a troubled home in his childhood and he wants so badly to fall in love with a good woman and have a happy traditional marriage. Poor guy is simply too desperate and wears his heart on his sleeve. Worst part is he's got high physical smv, confidence, and a great sense of humour so he could be a lady killer if he took TRP.

[–]creamynebula6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Can't you convince him to read a book like The Rational Male? It was all it took to change me dramatically

[–]Harambe4400 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Does this video summarize the book pretty good?


[–]Velebit3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

cool story

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[–]i-am-the-prize26 points27 points  (1 child) | Copy

Even worse (I retch when I see it): guys following feminist pages on IG and putting the content on their stories, in a desperate attempt to be woke and modern.

Yeah. That's cringey. Like seeing the beta orbiter sole guy at a SJW/womenz event hoping for some scraps.

[–]hoopingblob35 points36 points  (1 child) | Copy

Letting them cheat, giving them too much attention, looking at IG Thots, making statuses with some romantic shit texts, criticizing your game.

Man, I can't believe men have fallen so far...it's kinda depressing to see your kind jeopardizing themselves

[–]Velebit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

today men are conflict avoidant and can't argue their pow if their life depends on it... bad verbal skills get you crushed.

[–]boy_named_su31 points32 points  (1 child) | Copy

"Just gotta check w the boss", meaning wife

Heard today: "my girlfriend lives in LA". The speaker does not live anywhere near LA

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[–]KrissVectorEOC23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy

Chasing women and letting themselves go once they actually get into a relationship. Not doing the same things that made them attractive to the female in the first place and giving everything up for them. Always asking them what to do, moving with them for THEIR goals and giving up their own, and life revolving around the female. It's easy to spot a relationship destined to end quickly like this. Then they don't realize why the relationship ended because they GAVE so much of their time, finances, and sacrificed so much for their significant other.

[–]Kaz__Kaan40 points41 points  (19 children) | Copy

Allowing women to disrespect you

Getting rid of their "boat" after their gf/wife asks them why they still have it.

Acting like all women deserve the highest level of respect by DEFAULT.

[–]vullnet12322 points23 points  (1 child) | Copy

It absolutely amazes me how many men I hear talk about "Oh the wife would kill me" in response to them spending money. Guy I worked with, cleared $140k a year. Had 2 kids with an ex wife, decided to marry a woman 10 years older than him with 2 of her own kids after that. Her ex husband was an ex millionaire and didn't work. Hearing this dude complain about how he'd love to spend more money on his car but "the wife would kill him" was annoying as fuck.

[–]brosky73316 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Its like what a teen would say about their parents.

[–]sirdaaz17 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy

Allowing women to disrespect you


Also, my phone autocorrected to another, often overlooked quality of a beta:

allowing women to distract you

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[–]newbie3hunna4 points5 points  (12 children) | Copy

Don't think Patrice watched much fitness content, maybe fitna burger in his mouth. Nothing more alpha than dying of obesity.

[–]i-am-the-prize0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

that fish-boat analogy was awesome...

[–]VigilantSmartbomb18 points19 points  (2 children) | Copy

Accommodating her so much they try to change my behavior to accommodate her as well.

No, I'm going to do me, and you can go be her lap dog.

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[–]VigilantSmartbomb4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Like it’s so annoying. Dude complains about his girlfriend all day long - I bring him around some really submissive females, he exclaims he doesn’t know how I do it, then in the same breath says I need to be more accommodating to them.

I’m sorry, who’s bring who around high value women? And who’s in a shitty blue pulled relationship pussy whipped by his low value bitch?

Yeah, not me.

Bitches fight over me

As it should be.

We are the prize, don’t forget that!

[–]Truedemocracy518 points19 points  (11 children) | Copy

Apologizing for everything and self depreciating jokes are big ones

[–]30DaystoSolstice5 points6 points  (8 children) | Copy

Fucking hate guys who make nothing but self depreciating jokes on SM. This is such a femine trait. Not even trait of regular females who tend to be competitive, but beta females who eat pussy and love sub-dom play.

[–]serynada2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

women who like to be dominated aren’t “beta females” whatever that means. even if you’re referring to dommes, still doesn’t make sense.

[–]30DaystoSolstice0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

Already see you angling for trp orthodoxies like women are meant to be dominated, they can't lead etc. But there is more to it. Women compete fiercly among themeselves and that competition produces winners and losers, alphas and betas. In every group of friends there is the alpha chick who gets all the attention. She's alpha not in relation to men, but to her friends who look up to her.

Often in the group there is also the beta one who is no threat to the others. She just tags alone. She is friendly with a lot of dudes hoping to get residual dick in much the same way beta guys orbit females hoping for pitty pussy. ( She usually gets the dick tho, because woman. But she rarely in a ltr cuz her reproductive strategy is so beta.) she gets bossed around by all her friends and when girls night gets wild she goes down on them not because she's lesbian, but because again she's so beta. Just like dudes suck dicks in prison.

She's the kind to make these jokes to signal that she's approachable unlike those other females with an attitude. She thinks sub-dom plays give her a personnality... I could go on and on

[–]serynada0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

actually, not surprised you’re taking this angle.

yeah, i just don’t think this matters much to men. thinking about it flippantly for a couple seconds, can’t think of a reason why i’d care if the girl i’m attracted to is an alpha or beta female, which isn’t to say understanding these dynamics has no value, just that most men don’t care.

if you like her, you fuck her. there are alpha females, by your definition, who i’ve fucked and who’ve submitted to me. all i care about tho is how they interface with me, not their friends. don’t give it any thought whatsoever.

the girls night out / prison gays comparison is...something else.

[–]30DaystoSolstice0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Right. But this don't mean it don't affect your decision. We want to fuck the hot one and getting all the attention makes her the hot one so there's some kinda heisenberg dynamics going on there.

I want to go as far as saying that it explains why females are so thirsty for attention. It affects their smv and their status.

[–]serynada0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

ok i follow, there are situations where all the girls are your cup of tea, and amongst them there’s infighting as is typical in groups of females. in this case, i wouldn’t care which one i end up with, but now that i think about it, i only go after A1 or A2 in a group of females, unless they’re all hot, which is rare.

to build on the attention piece, i think this is intuitive. attention is a lagging indicator of value. so naturally higher smv women will garner the lion share of attention and that attention itself then becomes an amplifier of smv creating a self-perpetuating feedback loop.

rather than seeking attention, women should seek to become more valuable so that the attention they receive is positive and has staying power.

[–]30DaystoSolstice0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I've actually picked up the rational male and right at the begining is talking about intrasexual competition and woman's use of attention for affirmation in a much more articulate way than I. Might interest you if you have access to the RM

[–]screenmagnet0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

This sounds like a weird sexual fantasy. Straight girls don’t go down on their female friends...

[–]30DaystoSolstice1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

And straight dudes don't play with a stranger cock, yet here you are on my dick

[–]CMOAN_MAYNE0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I have to disagree with this.

Self-deprecating jokes, done well, project confidence because you’re willing to put your flaws on display without being insecure about them.

On the other hand, it’s obvious when a cocky and arrogant is compensating.

It’s the difference between overt and subtle communication.

[–]Truedemocracy50 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If someone’s consistently making self depreciating jokes I assure you they have poor self esteem

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

The state of the average man is desesperating.

Even social outcasts and incels can become better than the average man within a few years of work on themselves.

What's wrong with the average male ?

-Massive consumption of mindless entertainment

-massive lack of self-discipline

-massive alcohol consumption

-fucked up diet and sleep schedule

-pedestralization of women

-no hobby other than hanging out with friends

[–]1Red_Pill_Brotherhood13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just some that come to mind...

With women: -Guy sets place setting, napkins, salsa/condiments/etc while woman sits at table(restaurant) -Guys body language is over invested and over excited and she is aloof -getting upset at other guy who is trying to get at his girl or getting upset at other guy if she cheats(exception is a bro of yours who knows better) -guys who refer to their wife as "their better half" and "happy wife/happy life" -orbiting women on social media -trying to angle into a womans pants by being friends and acting like he just wants to be friends -guys who seek out a girlfriend

Life/general: -guys who are skinny/weak -acceptance of mediocrity -following the herd and not thinking for yourself -not being in control of yourself/disciplined

[–]spottedstripes12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sending random women, on social media, money because they post their venmo handle or ask for money on their story

[–]4thAndLong13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

When males say, "Happy wife happy life". It's so fucking cringe.

[–]CocoaPill10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

The dude sitting behind me at work put a picture of his girlfriend on his desk. He's 25, it's the first girl he has banged since college, and they have been dating for 6 months.

[–]askmrcia0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yup this is a good one. Way too young to be putting any woman on your desk at your job. SMH

He'll learn.... the hard way

[–]failed_singingcareer7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not being able to take criticism, and instead resorting to immediately defending your precious ego.

[–]Hitlers_Gas_Bill5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Using every possible opportunity to flex. You can bet that these people are highly insecure.

[–]SilentlyCrimson4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oh dear lord I see so much of my (not so distant) past self in this thread. And even some of my current self. I must keep pushing.

[–]Domebeers33 points34 points  (10 children) | Copy

I mean my dude the culture is controlled by fags and women. No shit it's producing non males.

You know that the lizard people who run society want us to hate each other, right? They want men and women to not get along. It helps them cement power. A fractured society is one that is easy to control. They are literally teaching men that approaching women is sexual harassment. That isn't an accident.

If you can, provide an example for you fellow men. It's going to be up to 'us' to save men.

[–]PippiDeLena30 points31 points  (6 children) | Copy

Tell me more about these lizard people

[–]its_going_down_8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm really interested in them too

[–]spider_133710 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

The reptilians are crafty motherfuckers

[–]theyearsstartcomin4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Theyre blue

[–]VaN__Darkholme4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're dropping the highest levels of redpills here. Don't forget the site we're on.

[–]boywonder2003 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Somebody redpill this guy on the Bogdanoff twins

[–]Domebeers0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

lol I dont mean Alex Jones type, sorry I use it as a placeholder term for 'the shadow powers that run the world', if youre a moldbug type it's the Cathedral, etc.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

David Icke spotted.

[–]Domebeers1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I meant it as a turn of phrase but I googled that Icke dude and now I have so much to learn...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm so glad I could send someone down the Icke rabbit hole. Enjoy!

[–]pointster_VSK16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

Read the book of pook

[–]Compeliminator3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm an older guy . I used to be a beta in most regards but one thing I never did was let women tell me what I could and couldn't spend money on. I spent a lot of time at my shop working on some of my projects. I spent a lot of money on my race cars and things like that . I always made sure everything was paid for ,the house was maintained and things like that . when I was married and had this last girlfriend I always insisted they contribute to the household if they were working. In other ways I was a Super Beta like trying to chase them if they broke up with me or something like that but I never put up with women spending my money or telling me I couldn't go and do something but I guess my way wasn't necessarily correct either because they are gone LOL

[–]thrwy754792 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

one thing I never did was let women tell me what I could and couldn't spend money on

It's important to be careful with this one as well.

When I refused to spend money on them, some women actually began to egg me on to spend more money on myself. At the time, money was tight, and they were pushing me to go broke.

Women will destroy you with your own logic, which is why it's vital to get rid of the ego when dealing with them.

[–]its_going_down_5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Agreeing to everything women say

[–]rizzyfromthe97 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

This guy at work said he would have sex with this 7/10 Spanish chick and put a baby in her then marry her

He was telling me some red pill truths the last work party but i guess he forgot

[–]jzekyll53 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

How is knocking up a chick blue pill

Oh he said marry her

[–]Fulp_Piction2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

All these answers are imo talking about guys who make women run a mile, omegas I guess. A beta has value to a woman: security, stability etc. Nothing tingle inducing, but they're still valuable. Thats why the get enough boring sex to keep them on the hook.

[–]JurJur9 points10 points  (8 children) | Copy

I use to prize myself in my video game skills but I lost the urge to play when i started college. Now that i've graduated and don't play video games anymore, i have come to the realization that video games are just an escape from real life for betas. Plain and simple.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (7 children) | Copy

Not true.

I still enjoy playing video games a lot. I just don't play 6 hours a day, more like 6 hours a week. Video games can be part of a busy and productive life.

[–]PreEntertain3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy

any time invested in gaming/social media/ or anything of the sort doesn't contribute to any kind of alpha goal.

The only thing more Beta than gaming is having a Vagina.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Haha you must be new to TRP. Only newbies have that absolutist attitude. You sound desperate, you have to learn to chill.

[–]PreEntertain3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'm pretty mild compared to most on here. I just cant see how gaming is even the slightest bit productive?

[–]Marino4K-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Gaming is still a hobby to many, myself included. Nobody is chatting up chicks 24/7

[–]PreEntertain-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

RP isn't about chatting up chicks. Thats just a side effect of being alpha.

Gaming is what beta's do while alphas fuck their gf's.

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[–]PreEntertain0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I never said I wasn't. Seems I struck a chord of insecurity with you.

[–]TFWnoLTR1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

The most common thing I see is guys apologizing for stuff that shouldn't be apologized for. I used to do it too and have made an effort to change that, which might be why I notice it so much.

Best example is a guy a work who assigns me tasks related to my expertise. Hes newer and not my boss, but we are supposed to work together. Since hes new, a few times I have forgotten to take care of something he gave me, and he always comes to my office apologizing for piling tasks on me then bringing the incomplete ones up. I almost don't even want to do things for him because he is like that, but I refuse to be bad at my job. He shouldn't be apologizing for doing his job.

Sorry I couldn't answer the phone when you called.

Sorry I opened the door just as you were reaching for the handle.

Sorry I existed in the space near you on your blindside and you bumped into me.

Pathetic. I cringe remembering how I used to do that.

[–]Marino4K0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sorry I couldn't answer the phone when you called

I agree with most of your examples but I don’t see the harm in this one, especially as harmless as you could make this.

“My bad, I was in the shower” Etc etc

[–]XT3M31 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

this is a big one for me, putting anyone else happiness over your own. too many people out there setting themselves on fire to keep other warm, then they have a shocked pikachu face when thats not returned.

and because its xmas, buying a girl you aren't dating a gift just because. especially if this women hasnt done shit for you or you aren't getting anything back for it

[–]Manny140013 points14 points  (17 children) | Copy

Beta behaviors? Real ones?

  1. White guy marrying an Asian girl
  2. Any dude who goes to a woman's march
  3. Dudes who are obsessed with their pets, especially cats
  4. Any guy who unironically calls himself a feminist, or white knights women in hopes of getting sympathy tail
  5. Any dude who has Noam Chomsky or Howard Zinn in his book shelf is probably an epic beta faggot
  6. Guys who work as bike messengers at age 26

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm a white guy living in Asia and while I definitely love banging Asian chicks I can't think of a single marriage between a white male and an Asian woman where the guy isn't totally cucked and dominated.

That said, you could have a RP marriage with an Asian chick for sure. Pick the right one and be RP and you'd be OK. In fact, I'd say RP laws apply even more here in Asia. Higher rewards for a RP man, but conversely also higher penalties if you ever show BP behaviour. Asian women will love RP more but take over/leave you much quicker if you ever trip and become BP.

[–]Tousen710 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Where in Asia?

[–]Virgin_Elf_Master6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Why does Manny1400 sound like a username i'd find on fucking xvideos or something.

Do you know Bruno58000?

[–]TigerXtrm4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

Dudes who are obsessed with their pets, especially cats

Hey, no hating on cats. They make for much better housemates than the average woman.

Also, define obsessed?

[–]Manny14000 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I mean guys who go into a major depression if their cat dies--dudes that are way too attached to animals. Always seemed effeminate and flaky to me

[–]TigerXtrm5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've had cats my whole life. Losing a pet who's been part of your life for the better part of 20 years sucks, obviously. I mean, going into a depression over it is a little much, but people get attached to their pets and mourn their deaths. Don't really see how that's beta at all. Just human psychology.

[–]PreEntertain5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fuck you faggot cats are awesome

[–]AGameofTrolls5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Noam Chomsky? WTF? He's a guy with a great perspective of reality.

[–]rdotskip17 points18 points  (2 children) | Copy

  1. Don’t see how this is anything beta like, simply marrying someone doesn’t mean you’re beta.
  2. True is some cases, untrue in others.
  3. Retarded thing to say.
  4. First thing you’ve said so far that is true.
  5. No idea who those people are but having books on your book-self is far from beta.
  6. Better than having no job, definitely not beta, maybe cringe but not beta.

Yep there are still people on here that understand nothing, no offense.

[–]Manny14000 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

if you knew who those guys were in #5, especially Zinn, you would fully understand what I am saying

[–]schroedinger111 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

What is wrong with Chomsky?

[–]smartfunction307 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy

  1. What is the problem with that?
  2. hehe
  3. you must be an absolute hardass
  4. haha
  5. Noam Chomsky? The Linguist?! What is beta about that? Who is Howard Zinn?
  6. Definitely, guys with jobs are super beta

[–]doonspriggan1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah what's wrong with Chomsky? I'm genuinely curious.

[–]jzekyll50 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Chomsky’s linguistics and cognitive science is harmless.

His politics are facetiously sophisticated but are very obfuscatory and infeasible and convince people who feel the world is unfair that there’s a fair system that they can aspire to.

There isn’t.

[–]AGameofTrolls0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Come on! Stop fabricating consent...

[–]still_unresolved0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I love parrots

[–]smartfunction304 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

> I still find it hard to believe how common this behavior is but i've seen it for the most part and it really is the norm. Most guys get by on contextual Alphaness initially (some lucky storm of preslection) or their looks. Then when it comes down to it their behaviour is just the most pussy drying shit imaginable and it doesnt last. Honestly. I've seen some good looking dudes, ripped as fuck and successful guys and their interactions with their girls are anything but what you'd imagine a successful man acting like.

This sounds really judgemental, like you wrote it with a lot of self hate. I understand your point, but if you were comfortable with these things in yourself you wouldn't have to make this post.

[–]cglehosit3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

“I just feel like...”

[–]newbie3hunna4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Soy? How is a food beta?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Explaining themselves a lot in regular banter. So there's this dude i know who explains everything he says or provides justifications for his actions.

[–]still_unresolved0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Having a female boss, being a male feminist, gynocentrist, white knight is not beta, but omega !

[–]InnerYeet0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

When put on the spot for wrongdoing, they will become defensive and either blame others, make a ton of excuses, and/or wallow in self-pity in hopes that you will feel bad for them and reconsider any negative judgements.

There are some exceptions to this, since some “betas” are in a position of power, but for the most part an “alpha” will have enough self confidence to take responsibility for his actions, even if he is seen negatively as a result. He may even look at situation in a positive light and use it to improve how he handles similar situations in the future.

Another common one (and my absolute least favorite) is when someone tries to present themself as more masculine or intelligent than they actually are.

Examples of fake masculinity: (for normal and everyday situations) 1. When clearly uncomfortable, holding your chin higher than what is natural, back as straight as humanly possible, and arms wide or on hips. I see this one pretty often in the workplace. 2. Using a deeper voice than normal or refusing to talk. 3. Excessive boasting.

Examples of fake intelligence: 1. Using the biggest possible words in your vocabulary and overcomplicating the most trivial of subjects. 2. Intentionally not talking or talking too much.

All of these clearly show insecurity. Comment any disagreements or other examples that you can think of!

[–]i-am-the-prize0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It’s icon says PFEI It’s by Olson apps.

[–]i-am-the-prize0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It’s icon says PFEI It’s by Olson apps.

[–]hazaraMoghul0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Actively listening to womens BS Too much smiling infront of them Fake happiness Having a conversation with women

[–]akod10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It’s how men are conditioned, from the get go we are taught to be successful in life, be nice to women, provide for them, protect them and everything will be fine. We are told to believe that women are angels, they don’t cheat or even like sex as much as men, that they only care about how you treat them and not your looks, status, money etc..

At some point men learn the hard way. They either accept whatever role is placed on them by women to appease societal standards, and turn a blind eye to cheating or they change, learn about the real nature of women, how to deal with that etc...or lastly they check out in some form (go gay, be a hermit, go on a killing spree)..

[–]AshyBoneVR4-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

Extremely hot chick who I know for a fact was "easy" or "got around" in high school (don't wanna say Hoe because a lot of them are close friends LOL) all settled down with bitchy push over dudes to have their kids or raise their little bastard babies. But other than that, you hit the nails on the head. There's nothing wrong with being nice or respectful to women, but when dudes take their shit, bend over backwards for them, or let them take advantage of their kindness all in the name of MAYBE getting laid, then there's a problem.

[–]askmrcia4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

(don't wanna say Hoe because a lot of them are close friends LOL

Her being your friend doesn't mean she's not a ho. It's not like you have a super power that stop women from being ho's because they are your friends.

[–]AshyBoneVR40 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'll agree to that. But I treat people I see as my friend as if they were in front of me. I respect her even though she's done some less than respectable shit in the passed. That's kinda what happens when you're friends with someone. I'm never gonna fuck her, so it's not like I've ever been impacted by her behavior.

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