Three Long Overdue Red Pill Reality Checks

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September 16, 2015

1) Getting laid isn't that hard.

You guys, the rule is 80/20; it's not 99/1. Let's forget being "alpha" for one second (and only one second). Alpha is a life pursuit of excellence and not something that's absolutely required for you to have right now this second in order to be worth something. You know what'll work for right now? The much less prestigious "able to talk to girls." For fuck's sake, you guys know what a shit test is, how to beat it, and you've lifted at least enough to max out your beginner gains. That puts you ahead of a disturbing amount of men. Unplugging might be hard, some of you guys probably need to lose some weight or something, but this is really not that hard. Becoming a fully realized Red Pill Man might be hard as fuck but the getting laid part is not.

If you were to walk up to a chick right now who's just sipping coffee or something unimportant then you'd probably do just fine and could probably get a date out of it. Women are just child-like kittenish things with some psychopathy thrown in – kind of like a real kitten. Have you guys ever played with a kitten? I just roll em around on the floor by their belly and they love that stupid ass game for some reason. Real women are kind of like that. If you really get game, you'll see that it's basically just an analogue of doing that but with real chicks. It doesn't take a God or legendary man to do.

2) Chad Thundercock isn't supposed to be Red Pill's Jesus.

This is one of the top 20 posts of all time so it should be considered pretty authoritative. Look at the way Chad's described. He's an idiotic meathead with stellar genetics that she probably met at the club. A year ago, Chad wasn't this stellar God of an alpha to emulate and look up to. He was an illustration of how fucking stupid women are in their choices, how fickle their love is, and how impulsive they are. Nowaday's every discussion of Chad is "Some guys just win! Not every Chad is a meathead. Stop Chad shaming!" Okay fine, there are some successful Chads but there's a damn good reason why the red pill doesn't tell you to be like the guy from that post. It's because that guy's a meathead.

Sometimes looking at reality for what it truly is, isn't being pessimistic. Sometimes the truth is really just that a lot of Chad's drop out. Sometimes the truth is that meatheads aren't these secret geniuses who graduate Yale and wreck shit for their whole lives long. Sometimes, that guy's just a meathead and women only like him because women suck. If you portray Chad with all the goods of being a meathead and all the goods of being a Harvard genius then it's just an impossible standard that's gonna make you think you've gotta be the 1% to get laid. You don't; you've just gotta be decent. Yeah, you'll get more laid for being a God but you can probably get a decent girlfriend right now if you really wanted. This Chad thing probably feeds a lot into my first point. It also artificially raises women's value to think of them as things only available to the 1%. You don't need to be a God; you just gotta be decent.

3) Women on Tinder really don't get all that laid.

People on here project a few too many traits onto women. Fact is, women are irrational as fuck. What too many reds do is they think of how easy it'd be for themselves as a tinderella to get fucked and so they assume women can manage it. Well here's some food for thought: With today's privileges, it should be easy for women to get fantastic wall street careers but how many of them do it? Can you believe that there's a fucking wage gap? You can give women all the advantages in the world; they still don't make shit out of it. They're completely incompetent. Just like the professional world, the tinder world doesn't work out for women nearly as well as it should. "Empowered women" don't do shit in any area, no matter how many advantages you give them.

Men project onto women: "If I were in that position then I'd pick a good 85th percentile man to fuck my brains out, message ten, and then pick from the three who can do it. That'd get me a lay with twenty minutes of effort." Okay.... nice and logical but we're dealing with women here. For them it's like that episode of How I Met Your Mother where Barney gets a phone that always leads him to a hotter chick and then he doesn't get laid. Women go after the 1% guy and then he doesn't give a fuck, doesn't meet her, and she goes to her vibrator. Women are insane. Btw, the feminist women on the internet lie about their counts. They give any ridiculous three digit number (or even high two digit) just to look more sex positive. They're full of shit you guys.

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Title Three Long Overdue Red Pill Reality Checks
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Date 16 September 2015 02:12 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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[–]2rp_valiant459 points460 points  (88 children) | Copy

also, while we're on the topic of mistakes noobs are making, AWALT does not mean all women act exactly the same - this isn't the Clone Wars. AWALT refers to the fact that all women are biologically driven by the same impulses. Just like a normal healthy straight man sees an attractive woman on the street and would like to have sex with her, a normal healthy straight woman will be attracted to a man that she perceives as having strong alpha qualities and will want to tie him down (yes, in both ways). It doesn't mean that all women are guaranteed to cheat on you, but it does mean that if a guy who is more alpha than you shows interest in your girlfriend she will be attracted to him, and a percentage of girls who are put in this situation will indeed cheat. AWALT is about the evolutionarily-selected instincts and drivers, not about the entire scope of female behaviour.

[–][deleted] 193 points194 points  (24 children) | Copy

Way to finally get AWALT right. My God, it's the one piece of theory that EVERYONE fucks up. It just means that women are womanly. It's not like: "All women are out to kill you, okay well not all because it's not literal, but still AWALT." AWALT means women have some feminine shit going on, are womanlike, and have their place in the game due to their role as reproductive scarcity. Here's something I wrote about it once. Here's a delta so that when you get AWALT right again in the future, people will treat you as an authority and get it right themselves.

[–]Squeezymypenisy29 points30 points  (16 children) | Copy

It always seems like its a rallying cry for new guys or perpetual monk mode dudes.

[–][deleted] 57 points58 points  (11 children) | Copy

A while back some guy was advising a teenager on here to go into monk mode throughout all of college.....

I got downvoting for calling him out. People sometimes

[–]Squeezymypenisy23 points24 points  (2 children) | Copy

That's dumb, college is the best time to practice approaching and game strategies. Its filled with tons of opportunities, especially at a big school.

[–]KnG_Kong17 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy

And NETWORKing to avoid ending up on r/lostgeneration

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Oh man, we're gonna need that list of burn centers. Some weenie millennials are offended by that, you know. /s

[–]1Ronin11A90 points91 points  (6 children) | Copy

Four years of Monk Mode? Talk about doing it wrong.

Monk Mode is best used as a psychological "cutting" period, similar to a bodybuilder's dieting down before a show or photo shoot. It's not a sustainable long-term state.

You lean your life out, refocus on priorities, then you get the fuck back out there and crush your enemies, drive them before you, and hear the lamentation of their women.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy

This guy knows what's best in life.

[–]Ojisan114 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

I did 1 year of monk mode, but I was 350 motherfucking pounds. I'm 220 now and feel younger than I did 20 years ago. I couldn't do the gym class requirement of a 15 minute mile in high school, now I can do it in 12 minutes. You're right, this shit isn't rocket science, and it doesn't require ages of time.

Also, now that I have some measure of accumulated RP wisdom and my health, I can look around with clear eyes and see what pathetic fucks even the supposedly "good looking guys" are. There are a lot of beta males out there who look like Chads but sure as hell don't act like them. I watched this Chinese dude I know, who lifts constantly, huge arms that he loves to show off by wearing shirts that are too small for him, etc - he thinks he's a PUA but he's fail after fail after fail at the bar. Even with skanks. They can tell he's an insecure overcompensating fraud.

[–]I_Wear_Jorts59 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

Exactly. The idea of monk mode seems to have become another excuse for a lot of guys on here. It's much much easier to say "fuck it dude, AWALT, I'm going monk mode indefinitely" than it is to actually face your challenges head-on

[–]franklyforthright2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

What challenge? Getting your dick wet omg so exciting! Women are truly useless. I avoid women, some absolutely love it and are super submissive, some are curious, others know why and look at me with scorn. Sexbot really need to come out so women will have to up their game and start being human beings again. The brainwashing is complete with both genders IMO 90% of women are damaged and 90% of men are total pieces of garbage. To stop caring is to give in to evil. I hold strong principles, even in the face of total defiance. A true rebel.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

"Just got a shit test from my great aunt who told me to watch what I eat so I don't get obese, defused it and kept eating"

This place is starting to turn into a cringe fest, these posts are chemo

[–]mate961 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Maybe he was bulking or was simply underweight to begin with?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Are you fucking kidding me

[–]2rp_valiant13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

thanks - a problem I always have correcting newbie mistakes is that a) sometimes the new guys try to be the "internet alpha" and get argumentative for no reason and b) when the majority of the sub are spouting incorrect usage, it feels like it can come close to concern trolling.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

People focus too much on the "all" and not enough on the "like."

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

People dont care about the logic, they just hate you generalizing women regardless of the practicality or the reasoning behind it. You're supposed to blindly roam the SMP and "be yourself", letting women sort you out as they see fit.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well bloops can obviously go fuck themselves but I see people who've swallowed the red pill misuse it pretty frequently.

[–]ModRedSovereign4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Point granted.

[–]likechoklit4choklit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

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[–]2rp_valiant14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

this is true of all people - until you know a person, assume that they are like other people of their group and update your beliefs based around interactions with that individual. For example, I assume that male radfems are wimpy little beta men stricken with white guilt and until I meet a self-assured one I will continue to hold that belief.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

yes, but women have genetically less variation and are therefore more average than randomly chosen men. A very tall guy averaged with a short one is not the same average as two medium lenght women differing much less.

[–]BlackHeart8933 points34 points  (26 children) | Copy

Can we please get this shit added in the list of objective RP truths?

So people can stop arguing that all women are cheating skank whores that will fuck your best friend because his car is a year younger than yours.

[–][deleted] 54 points55 points  (23 children) | Copy

So people can stop arguing that all women are cheating skank whores

Whoah whoah whoah, let's not get crazy here.

[–]BlackHeart8919 points20 points  (22 children) | Copy

well everyone has it in them to do so. But some have higher costs than others.

I know very well that if 6'2 NFL Quarterback came at my girl, I might as well give him her phone number myself.

[–]Sdom122 points23 points  (9 children) | Copy

6'5 NFL Quarterback...

Fixed that for you, 6'2 is running back territory nowadays.

[–]BlackHeart894 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy


I wouldn't know. Thanks for the correction.

[–]Sdom12 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Yeah, I was just making a joke, not a serious correction. Just want to make sure it didn't come off the wrong way.

[–]BlackHeart891 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Nah. You're good. I just took it as a genuine correction.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Tell that to Russell Wilson or Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers

[–]1KyfhoMyoba3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Russell Wilson is going to get cheated on. His religion has made him way too Disney-BP. And Ciara gets too much attention to stay celibate for long.

[–]netgrey 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy

Wow I just googled that shit and she has a baby from an alpha fucks. RW is her beta bucks. Jesus Christ.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Note that he could be AF, if he chose to and elected to choose the mindset for it, but again, his religion is going to screw him over, which is unfortunate, because the Bible is very Red Pill. Most "Christians" don't want to follow what the Bible says about relationships.

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Athletes are the new "warrior class" of the contemporary world.

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[–]BlackHeart8911 points12 points  (8 children) | Copy

My SMV is no where near high enough to compete with someone on that level.

An NFL Quarterback doesn't fit under "every hot guy". These are top tier people. If he wants to fuck and has decent game, then its only a matter of time. Lets be realistic here.

Or you could silently thank him for exciting the girl that you have sex with

Yeah. If she was a plate, that would be fine...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Explain then why the wife of the teams owner isn't running wild with the 'help'?

[–]BlackHeart894 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

The team's owner has massive amounts of cash. He too, is top tier. Having millions of dollars does more for your smv than being physically attractive. Now lets say he has 100s of millions of dollars and the personality that women want...

Another explanation may be that these guys aren't too stupid. "Don't shit wear you eat".

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[–]BlackHeart8913 points14 points  (3 children) | Copy

but I wouldn't sacrifice my marriage for an NFL cheerleader

You have nothing to gain by fucking a cheerleader. On the other hand, if your wife fucked the NFL player and succeeds in getting pregnant, she hit the DNA and monetary jackpot.

If you are with a girl who is actively sought by him, you gotta be worth something.

Worth something <<<< Worth millions

Because girls in LTR's don't feel sexual excitement?

Yeah. But knowing my girl is getting off on the thoughts of someone else while I'm fucking her kills my attraction to her. She can do what she wants. But that doesn't mean I have to like or tolerate it.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Because girls in LTR's don't feel sexual excitement?

Actually, no. Ask some women what qualities make for a good husband. Note what they say. Then, a bit later, ask what makes a man "sexy". You will not find any overlap between the two sets of characteristics, i.e., husbands are not sexy.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I wouldn't sacrifice my marriage for an NFL cheerleader

Well I wouldn't tell my wife about her...

[–]mugatucrazypills0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

really ?

anyways, the linebacker coming at you can see ... I'd worry more about the sneaky fuckers.

[–]icecow0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Haha, I'm going to use that line in a way you are not advising.

You still get your upvote for truth.

[–]Nebulose114 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is the best definition of AWALT I have read in over two years.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

All women are like that

Doesn't mean all wen will act on it

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Exactly. AWALT means all women are suceptible to making certain decisions a certain way, under certain conditions. That's the 'that' in AWALT. It's not all women are exactly alike. It's that all women share certain behavioral traits, and you can use that to predict or preempt behavior.

[–]2rp_valiant10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

it's not about the decisions they make - that's the wrong way to think about it. It's the underlying hormonal and subconscious drivers. All humans are born with 2 brains - their smart human brain and their dumb "reptilian" brain. Human brain can override lizard brain but lizard brain makes us feel things to influence human brain. All women's lizard brains are the same (attraction to an alpha) but their unique human brains make the final call on decisions (should I cheat on my boyfriend with Chad over there?) Just like your dick gets hard for fit girls but you can choose to fuck them or not, a girl gets wet for alpha but still has the final choice. The difference between men and women is men aren't as strongly influenced by their lizard brain and emotional state.

So in summary, no, it's not the decision making, it's the emotional and subconscious reactions to certain inputs.

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Very true. 'Make decisions' was poor wording. 'Exhibit behavior' would have been better

[–]my_redpill_account1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah I see so many confused noobs who just think AWALT means all women are literally a certain way. Thanks for making the post.

[–]Moldy_Gecko0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Honestly, not sure if this has been posted somewhere else before, but this alone is gold. If I could do more than upvote, I would. There are too many dumbasses that are endorsed, prominent, or at least recognized that don't get this simple truth.

[–]Redasshole0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

All women are sluts not because they all acts like sluts but because they all have this internal innate drive to behave like sluts. Now that society rewards this behavior rather than punishing it, most of them behaves like sluts.

But what's really important is that it shows that at their core, women are sluts. That's who they really are. They then choose their behaviour but yes, all women are sluts, whether they act on their slutty impulses or not.

[–]1DRMMR760 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

What I gather it's that all women have an innate ability to be like that, and most of them act on it. Furthermore, you won't know if she is or isn't until after it happens.

I can't remember who said it but someone posted an analogy a while back, though I may get it slightly wrong.

Imagine you have 10 cages in front of you. In the back of each cage is a stack of money. Inside each cage is also a rattlesnake. 2 of them have been defanged. You don't know which. Do you put your hand in one of the cages to get the money?

Such as it is with women. All have the ability to act in terrible ways, though a small amount may not act on it at times. But you won't know which is which until after you've been bitten. Plan accordingly.

[–]2rp_valiant1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

yep, its the ol' case of schrodinger's slut. It's the whole reason humans are classifiers (we pigeonhole and stereotype as an evolutionary trait): if we come across a situation that, 8 out of 10 times, will have a negative consequence we automatically treat that situation as always dangerous. It's where things like racial stereotypes come from and it's where stereotypes that used to exist about women also come from. The problem is that in today's tolerant society, the latter have been locked away in a box labelled "misogyny".

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[–]2rp_valiant4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy

what the fuck did I just read. Maybe try talking straight instead of trying to poetically wank yourself into a fury.

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[–]2rp_valiant1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

yeah you're right. Like tone and pretense. If you're trying to make a valid contribution, try writing it in a way that is readily understood. I read your comment twice and still didn't understand what point you were trying to make. And before you get all "hoho that's because I'm so smart and you aren't" consider that the purpose of the written is to be read.

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[–]2rp_valiant1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

I never claimed that my comment was sidebar-worthy, nor do I care if my contributions ever appear in the sidebar - I'm just here to learn and help the new guys where I can.

Are you seriously getting upset because I made a contribution that garnered a positive response? Check your ego, dude. Jesus christ. A superiority complex is not appealing.

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[–]2rp_valiant1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

like I care what you think - you are nobody to me and your opinion means nothing. Go pester someone who buys into your false intellectualism.

[–]MortalSisyphus-4 points-3 points  (9 children) | Copy

The problem is that such a generalized definition of AWALT leads it to be basically meaningless. It becomes a truism. "AWALT means a girl might cheat on you but she might not, but she could..." It doesn't really convey anything imo. And by the description given it means that AMALT is equally true. Better to just call it evolved instincts and leave it at that.

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The problem is that such a generalized definition of AWALT leads it to be basically meaningless.

No it doesn't because RP's got a TON of theory detailing what exactly what that guy says means. You could shorten it to: "AWALT means that TRP applies to all women." It means that you can apply what you learn on the red pill to ALL women and not just some subset of them.

[–]Sdom116 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

You know, when you read people's posts on here, it's easy to see how religions get totally out of control. People abandon the actual, rock solid source materials and teachings of the founder(s) and project their own meaning onto things. Unfortunately, they are generally not in the same league as the founding fathers were, so you end up with gross misinterpretations and unintended consequences.

[–]oldmanwho 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

you're loosing your mind here. your contention - while valid, while true, while fact - is incomplete. correctness is not the application. in fact, AWALT is stated explicitly to challenge the brainwashed and/or absent minded that correctness on trivia is trivial.

votes be damned. 'trp endorsed' be damned. tiny fleeting things: be damned. they are tiny. your argument addresses a population prevalence remainder, not the population majority. your argument distorts, possibly even subverts, the actual meaningful application: that there is a completeness majority that invalidates AWALT's tiny incorrectness. AWALT is used to invalidate trivia that doesn't matter. what are doing saying that trivialities matter? damn near ironic behavior.

this is retarded. your badge is so that you stand in the public light, not be whored out as your soap box to voice your pavlovian contentions. utility to the mission's missionary supersedes all minority claims.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

no offence but if people want it so easy and not do any research on it and literally believe every woman is exactly the same in every darn way because it's easier to understand then they shouldn't be on trp.

[–]rpscrote1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

they dont actually believe that. AWALT is beta faggots favorite strawman to beat up. They know it doesnt mean what they say it means, but they dont care because they get their smug sense of intellectual superiority out of beating on that definition regardless

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

this is a good point.

Honestly, I find AWALT is something that offends women more than betas. Betas use it as a strawman but saying awalt destroys the female ego because they're whole lives they've been told they're special little delicate snowflakes and have been treated as such. Not something you should say in public if you care about your reputation.

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AWALT (with the appropriate definition above) was meant as an answer to those guys thinking that they somehow stumbled on the one unicorn who love them unconditionally and for whom hypergamy doesn't apply.

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP71 points72 points  (6 children) | Copy

"Me horny! Me go fuck girls now,"

I think this probably also leads to a level of jealousy among the RP awakened. The ignorance truly was bliss... and what's better than knowing the truth of the SMP and getting laid?

Not knowing the truth of the SMP and getting laid.

In a way, Red Pill men have the mixed blessing that is intelligence. An ability to rise above the white noise out there and analyse reality for what it is. Now we can see it... we don't particularly like it. Like when you can figure out how the magician performs his trick... there is no mystery or wonder anymore, and thus no joy.

While we've grown to a state to try and achieve more from our lives than meathead Chad... I wouldn't be remotely surprised by RP men admitting that every now and then, just occasionally... they wonder what it would be like to take away all the negative shit. Hell, I've questioned all my life whether I'd be happier if I was dumb. And to be honest I've concluded that it would probably be down to dumb luck.

The reality is that Chad is idealised in this way as the perfect natural alpha for sleeping with women... but never really for anything else. Would we all really find fulfilment in that? Or would we simply have a new set of woes like seeing men around us who were richer, smarter and contributing more to the world?

Ultimately, reality is always a compromise. As you get bigger, you tend to get less agile. As you get more intelligent, you tend to spot more negative things in the world that you're not in control of. As you become richer, you tend to appreciate the simple things in life less than someone worse off than you would. Chad has to live in reality too... he has compromises too... the real question you need to ask yourself is this:

Is sacrificing who you are and your personal potential worth all the sex with all the hot bitches out there?

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon23 points24 points  (2 children) | Copy

The great revelation of the Chad metaphor is how high a priority for sex a physically attractive man is, and how a woman will use a less physically attractive (but financially successful) man for his money.

This dispels the Disney fantasy that being a good provider is attractive. It isn't, it's useful. And there is a massive difference in the woman's brain. (Women have pretended that they are the same thing for generations, because betas paying and pretending they are somehow alpha is useful)

Chad = desirable. Billy Beta = useful. Chad gets love, devotion, sex, adoration for no more than the cost of a bag of skittles. Billy Beta gets looked down upon, disrespected and divorce-raped for his lifetime of servitude.

The truth is: women worship Chad and then use Billy Beta. Chad gives nothing and gets everything. Billy gets the reverse.

[–]usul162820 points21 points  (1 child) | Copy

Whats funny is if you look closely, the Disney Fantasy is true. It's just people choose to forget the "looking like a Greek God" and "being incredibly strong willed" parts.

[–]nishal130 points31 points  (0 children) | Copy

Or the part where the woman is a rich, young, beautiful, 10/10, virgin, (actual) princess with out of this world sexual and financial market value. Sorry tumblrina, you're fat, watch Netflix all day, work as a grocery bagger, and have fucked 30 guys. You're not a Disney princess.

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[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

Not quite my point. Nor at any point did I suggest that understanding women and their nature is not beneficial.

The overarching point was that becoming the idealised natural chad of today literally rather than just being another form of chad... means you sacrifice the essence of who you are. No amount of HB9s and personal 10s is worth that trade. It's merely a hypothetical because the majority of us weren't born with perfect genes.

The value of chicks remains limited even when it's at their absolute height. That value can not exceed the essence of who you are. Therefore you are always more valuable than any woman.

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[–]WardlyHasted 60 points60 points [recovered] | Copy

I think the problem is that some of the guys who stumble upon The Red Pill get stuck in an infinite self-improvement loop.

Like OP said, they think the 80/20 rule is actually 99/1. They're trying to become perfect. They think, "I need six pack abs to approach women", "if I read these 10 books about game, I'll finally know what to do", "if I work really hard for the next year, I'll get that promotion, then I can get girls", "I need to wait a month to grow the perfect beard", et cetera.

Now, these are all admirable goals: get fit, read books, get a promotion, groom yourself to look your best. The reason it becomes a problem is because of how these goals are framed in your mind. They're framed such that, "if I do xyz, then getting women will be way easier, so until then I'm not going to try".

Guess what? With this mindset, you will never be satisfied. When you finally have your six pack abs, you'll want to work on your pecs. Once you've finished those 10 books, you'll come across another 25 you want to read. After finally getting that promotion, you'll want another one. After growing the perfect beard, you'll want to whiten your teeth.

You can't let self-improvement become something you hide behind. If you want women, you have to approach women. Yes, continue to improve yourself everyday, but also approach women. You don't have to be perfect; perfect is boring.

[–]1Ronin11A47 points48 points  (2 children) | Copy

"The day you started lifting is the day you forever became too small."

People just obsess. They miss the forest for the trees. I stopped posting in the LeanGains sub-reddit because I got sick of the idiotic, hold-my-hand questions that come with exposure.

"Can I do 4pm-10pm instead of 12pm-8pm for my feeding window?"

Here, it's, "Is it still alpha if I like it when she gets on top?"

Some people truly are sheep and can't fucking think for themselves.

[–]machimus10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

Fuck, so much this. I have to take vacations from asktrp from time to time and you nailed why.

[–]sir_wankalot_here9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think the problem is that some of the guys who stumble upon The Red Pill get stuck in an infinite self-improvement loop

I used to have this problem in general. The old joke sums it up.

Q) How fast do you have to run to outrun a tiger ? A) Just faster then the other guy.

90% of everything is just going out there and doing it. The best salesmen often percentage wise are often not that good. But they usually follow every lead, but they cut their losses early. And they will constantly be trying to sell what ever they are selling.

Most of the opportunities I had, I applied for something when I did not have a snowballs chance in hell. One of the guys who hired be told me straight out that I was not the most qualified or smartest guy for the job. But he told me I was the most aggressive and because of that he knows I will get stuff done.

Learn how to handle rejection and bounce back fast.

[–]ItIsMyPrivilege6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Self improvement also creates this negative mindset for the present. I have it often where you don't feel good enough about yourself now because you don't have your goals. Specifically, I want abs. Thought I would have them by now. I feel negative because I'm doing everything right but not yet at my goal. Therefore I feel like I won't be happy until my goal is met. Meanwhile, I look way better now than I did a few months ago, but just because I'm not at my idea of perfection, I feel almost worse than I did a few months ago.

The trick is loving yourself now while seeing your future potential and striving towards it

[–]NecroticFury1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You do feel worse. You just lost months of hard work and didnt even get the abs! /s

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What is this?

[–]NecroticFury2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

you have no idea what you are taking about. the standard for men in the dating sphere is very high, much higher than the "average man."

didnt we already conclude that women consider 80% of men average and only 20% desirable?

[–]skiff1511 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Real talk dude, he does.

I'm a reasonably good looking guy, but I don't lift for shit due to injuries and laziness. I have a chodey job in consulting sitting at a desk all day. I drink more than I should, I eat crappy food. Basically I'm not rich or ripped. I wear hipster clothes. Trainers and skinny jeans and all that shit. I'm no adonis and I'm no bill gates.

I've got a hot lawyer girlfriend who like bringing other people to bed, 2 fuck buddies and outside of them I get laid fairly regularly from clubs. It isn't that hard really. The guy above me is right, most guys are so fucked up that even just half assing self improvement for 6 months is enough to get you into that 20%. I think that being all stressed out and having these insane standards can do more damage than help sometimes. I certainly get laid a lot more now then when I was all super-nutrition man.

Go be successful for your own reasons, for sure, I want to be. But don't get all wound up thinking you have to be like that just to get a date or whatever.

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What is this?

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea19 points20 points  (1 child) | Copy

The Chad thing comes from lacking understand about the nature of the term "Alpha". A lot of people mistakenly assume that being Alpha requires that you be cool, collected, and flawless. The suave James Bond type. In truth, it only means behaviours that are attractive to women.

Meathead Chad is as much an Alpha as is Mad Men Chad. The latter typically has ideals that most of us share. Most of us would rather not be the hardened pot-dealing street criminal, or the Jersey Shore audition prospect. These men are still attractive to women due to their Alpha characteristics.

An Alpha is a man with behaviours that are attractive to women. More than that is romanticizing the concept.

[–]mate961 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think Ian Fleming actually was a more "alpha" man than the character he wrote. From what I know about him he definitely wasn't always calm and collected or even rational. The movies/books should be for entertainment, his biography for inspiration.

[–]WilsonSelf 44 points44 points [recovered] | Copy

"You spend your whole life looking for answers, because you think the next answer will change something, maybe make you a little less miserable. And you know that when you run out of questions you don't just run out of answers, you run out of hope."

Basically, checking out of the need for external validation & happiness. That's TRP. If all you need to be happy is to dress up in a pink dress & do pirouettes, then we can go fuck ourselves for saying otherwise.

Much love, gents.

[–]whisky111114 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

"Basically, checking out of the need for external validation & happiness. That's TRP. "

That is EXACTLY what it has been for me and what a difference it has made!

For me that is the very essence of TRP. If a man can cut his need to external validation he has made it. He is untouchable!

That is a man who can create his own happiness and anything that is happening outside himself is just gravy.

Sure, no man is an island but the man who can truly believe in himself RIGHT NOW, no matter where he may be in life, that is power right there!

[–]Redasshole1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't think anyone could cut his need for external validation. But everyone can learn to deal with it. (stoicism)

[–]Chinny4daWinny1 point2 points  (19 children) | Copy

"You spend your whole life looking for answers, because you think the next answer will change something, maybe make you a little less miserable. And you know that when you run out of questions you don't just run out of answers, you run out of hope."

How do I deal with this? I've been looking for "what else can I do" for my confidence. I lift, dress better and stuff like that, but the problem is internal and I don't think external factors alone will fix that.

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[–]Chinny4daWinny1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, I remember watching this in class a few years ago.

[–]MiguelForte0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

I have but it still didn't solve it.

[–]elevul0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Have you ever used meditation?

[–]MiguelForte2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Probably only like thrice in my entire life and didn't do much. People keep saying it works. Maybe I should try daily. At what time of the day is it best to do it?

[–]elevul3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

If you have disposable income I recommend starting with

That was the thing that finally managed to put me on a schedule and force me to do it daily.

I started in the evening, and then I switched to morning (although it became more problematic once the meditations became 20 minutes. Luckily after the first take* packs you can choose your own duration for the packs coming afterwards), and made it part of my waking up routine.

Once you've completed the first Take10 hit me up, I'll send you one of my free 1 month coupons (you get 1 every time you complete a pack).

[–]MiguelForte0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Unfortunately at the moment I don't have disposable income, so that's not an option. But thanks for the response! I'll start doing it in the morning then, and I'll even try mixing it with positive daily affirmations. Hopefully it'll work.

Thanks again.

[–]elevul1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

No problem. I stopped after the first month as well as I decided that the price wasn't worth it, and continued on my own. Once I had established a schedule sticking to it wasn't that difficult.

[–]machimus1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Part of your problem is leaning on other guys too much for help. At some point you've got to take control and execute the program.

I know you've been lurking here a long time and have read the sidebar, so it's time to get out there and play the field.

[–]Chinny4daWinny1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

You're right. I've been using the people here as a crutch for every little obstacle I run into.

[–]machimus2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don't worry, you learn way faster from experience than you do reading any sidebar anyway.

[–]WilsonSelf 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy

You deal with it any way you can. No one is the exception. Hedonic adaptation is a bitch. In time, love will fade, sex will lose it's charms & your accomplishments from months back will appear mundane.

Self-control & discipline is all you've got. Keep doing what makes you happy and fulfilled. Whatever that means to you. But remember...

"If you like something, don't do it often."

You can burnout on joy.

[–]Chinny4daWinny0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

"If you like something, don't do it often."

You can burnout on joy.

What exactly does this mean, besides literally?

If I love drawing and playing basketball, I shouldn't do this too often because I'll see it as a job? It'll loose it's flare? I'll get bored of it?

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[–]Chinny4daWinny0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This actually makes a lot of sense. Thanks for explaining it like that.

[–]Redasshole0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Dude. Bro.

Confidence comes with external events. Get a hot girl, get a degree, build a car with your own hands...those things will increase your confidence. This "it's internal and confidence comes from within" is bullshit. Confidence comes through external achievements "I did that, and that and that". Go forth and conquer.

[–]Chinny4daWinny0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You're more right then I have been. Younger me did a lot, played sports, won, and was great at things and I was confident out of my mind (oftentimes called cocky). Because of that, I tried to just be good and not great at what I did to not make others feel bad and lo and behold. Here I am feeling bad that I'm not good enough (read: not doing enough to be great)

[–]Redasshole0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy enough to be great?

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Amen. I find the same issue when it comes to a shit ton of other things in life. Especially bodybuikding.

[–]el_superbeastooo12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Excellent post man, really hits home, especially the bit about just looking decent.

Since starting to lift heavy I've been hitting my goals but am constantly disappointed in the results. I know it takes time and that at this point I'm likely to be the biggest guy in most rooms I step in.

Coming here though, dudes give the impression that you have to be the Chadliest Chad 100% of the time to get shit done. This freezes me when I try to do anything and I anxiously hamster it into "oh I can do that once I hit that 4 plates DL" or "My shoulders are weak, I'll get her when I can OHP 135 no prob". Bullshit. Just looking decent sets you apart from the fat manginas.

It's good to always strive to better yourself, but constantly hamstering and telling yourself you aren't shit unless you're the Chadliest fucker around isn't helping.

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I think alot of the comments here hit the issue head on and I think it's obvious the OP has it right. There is some serious perfectionism in this sub. "If I lose frame for 5 seconds she'll never suck my dick," "that guy across the bar is more cut than me, no way can I get laid with Chad here." The 80/20 rule should be enough for some to comprehend, but I think we have to remember the type of man who comes here. These are men were either divorce raped, cheated on, generally beaten down by something to come here. I personally had lost all hope after realizing RP truths before coming here, it was truly daunting. I was afraid, as we all probably would be. I think more than anything these guys are afraid of failing again, hence the "I need to be the 1%" attitude.

I cannot emphasize how important it is to give that effort and let yourself fail. I didn't feel comfortable approaching girls until I failed a few times. You're going to fail. I have a natural chad friend who I love to analyze because he fails several times per fucking day. He engages any girl that's worth it, as in next to him on the bus, on line at a store etc. He's fucked more than 99% of guys, and I'd be willing to bet he's failed more than 99% of guys.

In sum, if you follow the advice here and give a decent effort you can have success with women.

[–]MiguelForte4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

True. "The master has failed more times than the disciple has tried."

[–]DownInBlue1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

I think it's especially striking when you see posts by people who are 18 or 19 y old... I'm sorry, but odds are they have not lived... They have not gone through events that made them need to become a man... Maybe that's a personal opinion, but I don't think that TRP is something you should hop on as you are just starting out in life. To them I'd say: Go out there first, try out things for yourself, maybe you'll get hurt, maybe not...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed, I think it's best to have come across TRP truths on your own. Most of what's said here is universally accepted by men, at least the men I know. If you've been around the block a few times you've seen hypergamy, you've seen examples of AWALT, you've seen the gf of your beta bucks get cheated on, you've seen Chad nail half the cheerleaders.

18 and 19 year olds (and I've seen even younger too) might not have started to see the pattern.

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I'm 24, almost 25. I've come to realize I'm pretty immature and I have a lot I need to experience and learn. Without getting into specifics, I've changed a lot in the past couple of months and I'm starting from the bottom and being realistic about what kind of person I am. I'm just now moving away from an immature, teenage-like mentality.

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I have found most people (in todays day and age) don't really "mature" into men until maybe 23 or 24. Maybe earlier if you go through some serious event but for most not until after college.

I noticed a big change in my thinking and perceptions from the time I was 21 to 24. Like a whole new person really.

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Its not even about being a person in 1% or even 10%. Its about having the attitude that demonstrates that you couldn't care less what category someone places you. Instead, you're too busy being your awesome self to even contemplate caring about how someone might judge you. That's the essence of not giving a fuck.

Combine that with a positive outlook and that's the only frame you need.

[–]2rp_valiant3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy

or in TRP terms, DGAF attitude. You do need to include abundance mentality though - being outcome-independent and hitting on girls for the fun of it, not out of desperation to get laid.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

Pretty much - you don't want to come off as thirsty - demonstrates low value yada yada.

That being said, I tend to loathe these RP terms for the same reasons as pointed out in the OP. Over time these buzzwords get taken out of context and have their meanings distorted. Its far more useful to internalize concepts and articulate them in your own words.

[–]2rp_valiant4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

the new guys come in and misuse the terms. It's our job as more senior members to correct their usage, hence Cis' post here. The terms help to shorten longer descriptions and seen as this is a "FYI newbies you're talking wrong" post, I thought I'd match the correct TRP term with your explanation.

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well it depends on the person reading it. I read a really really awesome post on the forum. Just internalize, apply, internalize, apply. If you're not a selfish cunt like me come back and try to help others. If not come back and share success. But don't just read , read , read and never apply. You don't need the entire sidebar to approach a girl. Read bits and pieces, do stuff, read, make changes, read some more, lift, etc. The problem I believe a lot of people get into is without having any success they spend too much time on trp and there's a balance that needs to be applied. I don't know if I'm allowed to link to that forum but here's an archive. Fuck I can't even find the post anymore but it was awesome.

Something along the lines of: "The red pill is an awakening reality. It helps you get started and it helps you progress. But you got to be careful though. There's a fine balance. Spend too much time there without putting in real-life effort and you just become a feminism blaming women hating virgin. Spend too little time and you just stay a deluded idiot who thinks women are special. Good luck." One of the best posts and a bit of an outside perspective on RP.

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Its because the latter requires an actual change in behavior while the former is just reading an internet forum i.e. shit we already do.

One of my favorite posts on TRP was from a long while back where the guy basically wrote a thank you letter to the sub for being so helpful and showing him a path to accomplishing a lot of his goals (which he had already achieved a few). He concluded by saying he thought that ultimately he had to abandon the sub and continue on alone and finished off the post by deleting his account.

The takeaway is that if you spend too much time on TRP or pussy pass or any of those subs you will inevitably retrigger all of the anger you felt in the past. The only real solution is put knowledge into action and slay some pussy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

yes, I also plan on leaving this sub at one point or another. When I can do that, I know I've accomplished what I need to do. I love you guys here , only place on reddit (or one of the few ) that says it like it is but as a 19 year old once I get better at game and banging and have defined life goals, coming back here all the time is counter productive.

[–]zephyrprime8 points9 points  (9 children) | Copy

"the feminist women on the internet lie about their counts. They give any ridiculous three digit number (or even high two digit) just to look more sex positive. They're full of shit you guys."

I recall a study on how much sex homosexuals were getting in San Francisco. The average count for men was 120 and the average for women (lesbians) was 4.

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Lesbians are a shit lord misogynists wet dream. You take away the male supervision and they have the deadest bedrooms, the most obesity, and the most domestic violence and of any gendered pairing. I haven't looked it up, but I'm gonna guess that gays have the least of all those things.

[–]cariboo_j1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don't forget higher divorce rates than heterosexual or male gay spouses.

[–]2rp_valiant0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

and let's not even get started on political lesbians. These are the girls that literally invented SJW feminism and man are they angry bitches.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah, I admit that occasionally I envy gay men. Fancy being attracted to someone that doesn't give you all that emotional crap and can actually hold an intelligent conversation. There must be downsides, but it looks pretty good from over here. I just can't get my head pointed in that direction, though.

[–]2rp_valiant0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Jim Jeffries has you figured out:

[–]sir_wankalot_here4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Go to a lesbian bar, you will see a bunch of bitchy people just sitting there drinking. Go to a gay bar and it will be a gay and hanppening place, gay as in the traditional meaning of the word, not homosexual.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

there's homosexual gay there too

[–]mate960 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I think you could still drastically up the lesbians count to adjust for lying, as heterosexual women are notorious for doing this. Thinking about this subject matter makes them feeeeeel bad so they rationalise away ones that "didn't count" in order to fix their negative emotions, even though it's an anonymous survey and nobody would ever find out and personally slut shame her.

For the most part gay men are still men and lesbians are still women. Men are honest or up their numbers, women scale it down.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No. One of the few things RP is dead wrong about is that millennial girls are pressured into upping their count, because empowering sex positive! Feminists and lesbos always exaggerate their count because it makes them feeeeeeel empowered.

[–]Circlelurker906 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

"If you were to walk up to a chick right now who's just sipping coffee or something unimportant then you'd probably do just fine and could probably get a date out of it."

Idk man, either you're a really good looking guy that doesn't need to try or you live somewhere with atypically friendly women. Where I live on the east coast, unless you're a celebrity, this will not work.

I appreciate the fact that you're trying to lift everyone's spirits and provide encouragement but I think you have an inaccurate picture of the male population. You're are probably already thinking of above average guys, so the 80th percentile of that group will be 90th percentile overall and will have no problem. But do you really believe the 80th percentile is getting anything more than scraps? Think of all the above average guys you know that get nothing - I know we all know many people like that.

[–]muscularPHD2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

either you're a really good looking guy

Everything in his post suggests that he is. He is being solipsistic thinking all men are as good looking as he is.

[–]Sdom14 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

People on here project a few too many traits onto women. Fact is, women are irrational as fuck.

THANK YOU! Thank God someone other than me realizes this. It's funny how many guys here think women are dithering morons except when it comes to this shit, at which point they morph into super Machiavelli.

Sometimes we give women too little credit, and generally in this capacity they're given way too much.

Also, the type of Chad Thundercocks mythologized on here do exist, but they are super, super rare. Rare to the extent you just shouldn't worry about them.

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Anyone who assumes hypergamy is some kind of Dr. Evil plot, just spend some time talking to an HB10, without looking at her.

You'll find the same social ineptness in the most basement dwelling neckbeard, because she never gets feedback on how vapid her shit is. Lot of super honeys are starfishy too, because no ones called her a dead lay before, since they want in on the hot one.

Go talk to the single women in your office. Find out how many of them are absolutely horrible at planning, financial security, or any ability to take advantage of the world they've been given

I often think of that saying, where the bear is more scared of you, than you are of him. Theres some sociopaths who run roughshod over men... but no ones every tried to stop them, they don't even have the experience in dealing with that.

[–]AllOrDeath4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

How can you say it's easy to get laid to a practical life long incel like myself who can't even get first dates?

[–]mate960 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Virgin here, it's easy for some men. We have to either try incredibly hard to compensate for poor genetics, bad childhoods and shitty economic status or just become MGTOW and deal with it. That or wait for the sexbots or some major societal collapse so we can just impose our will onto women.

[–]Circlelurker906 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

I understand you are trying to address this black and white perfectionism style of thinking but you go too far the other way, and don't even get me started on the comments in this thread. If you think getting laid is easy... Then.... You are attractive! And saying it is easy for attractive men to get laid is not new fucking information!

Also, being attractive guys, you all spend time with primarily other high SMV guys, who are getting laid easily. You think "average" is your average friend, when in reality he is top 15%. Not so easy anymore, eh?

You all also fail to appreciate that a below average looking man cannot become top 20% without 7 figure net worth.

[–]mate960 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Depending on cost of living expenses if you're even making six figures a year you should be able to buy plenty of sex from attractive enough prostitutes. At that point I don't care if most women consider me scum, I'll have male friends and I'll be getting my dick wet.

[–]ShounenEgo2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

For fuck's sake, you guys know what a shit test is, how to beat it, and you've lifted at least enough to max out your beginner gains.

Well, I've read and know what it is and I know how to roughly beat it in theory. And we all know the difference between theory and practice.

What I'm saying is, it's important to let people know that they're going to fail some shit tests big time until they're comfortable with them, and it's going to take a while.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You can still get laid if you fail a shit test here or there. It doesn't help, but it's not always a show stopper. I've found that the first 5-10 minutes are crucial. If you can pass 4 out of 5 of her shit tests, in my experience you're still golden. The key is to learn from your mistakes.

[–]smokejaguar13373 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Solid post. I've been grinding hard for three months now without a lay, and Im pretty damn sure its all in my head. Really needed to see pt. #1. Time to grow some balls and just go knock this shit out.

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[–]DownInBlue0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes! Thank you. So much lingo in some posts that they don't mean anything anymore.

[–]MortalSisyphus 7 points7 points [recovered] | Copy

You repeat twice that you don't have to be in the 1% to get laid, then you say women are insane and can't get laid on tinder because they go after the 1%.

You might wanna clarify your arguments a bit so it doesn't sound contradictory.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

They go for the 1% on tinder but it doesn't really translate into real life. It's kind of like how you can learn more from a grad student in real life then you can from an online lecture given by MIT. IRL counts for a lot. Plus, I doubt that all that much sex comes out of tinder anyways. It's meant to get hopefuls signing up; it doesn't necessarily make more money if you actually have sex.

[–]2rp_valiant7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

for girls, tinder is like a menu without prices attached - they go for the most delicious-looking item and then it turns out they can't afford it (the guy has better offers). Tinder brings a whole region into one list of guys to choose from, whereas when a girl is out at a bar and looking to get nailed she has to pick from the guys in the room. Be one of the best guys in the room.

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What is this?

[–]zeronegative3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

have you gotten a woman to fuck you? I bet you have.

What if someone never had? What if someone is a 26 years old virgin?

[–]mate961 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Then they're well and truly in the bottom 20% and will never get laid, except by prostitution.

My opinion on this topic though is that these arbitrary numbers we point out are very much situational. Imagine a girl goes to school in a shitty neighborhood. The top 20% of guys in that school may be the bottom 20% of guys in the entire dating pool. Still, if that's all she can get, she'll take it. Men do this too, for example the thirst for the few girls in the military, even if they'd be considered ugly by civilian standards.

Guys become perfectionist and get disheartened when they think they have to be in the top 1/10/20% of men across ALL men in order to get laid. You don't, you only have to be her best option in her currrent environment. Massive online validation and the visibility of top tier men to her on social media means this is harder than it once was but still not the same as being the best of the very best.

[–]1grendalor3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Tinder is an artificially inflated environment, because there are hundreds and hundreds of men in one place, which is not replicated in real life. Tinder is going to be more competitive, because of that, than anywhere in the real world, unless you go to very exclusive clubs and so on.

[–]1ErasmusOrgasmus2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Tinder is simply so far removed from reality that it's basically a woman's fantasy land of constant validation. Whatever standard of girl any man gets on Tinder he can do significantly better by approaching in real life because while any guy will send a HB9 a message on Tinder (because it requires no balls and there is no risk), it is much, much rarer for the same girl to get approached by a guy who has a clue what he's doing.

[–]xray777 7 points7 points [recovered] | Copy

This stuff is all extremely true.

Fellas, if you don't believe that its really easy to talk to women and aren't ready to cold approach the hottie in yoga pants and sports bra at Starbucks, go find some random post on AskReddit that is clearly from a woman and just send her a message.

I did that a lot a while back and discovered a few things:

A) Most women will talk to you if you aren't a creep and can actually be interesting.

B) A third of women will send you nudes, sometimes from work, if you act sexy. They're just as horny and often just as starved as most men are. I got one woman to go from "no, I'm not doing that, ew" to a underwear selfie from the work bathroom in 20 minutes. And we both had fun with it. Be fun. Be sexy.

C) It is 100% true that women have a hard time getting sexy attention, even if they want it, because men are so beta. I bit on a couple of posts clearly looking for sexual attention that had multiple "RIP your inbox" replies. Turns out......she didn't get a single message. Not a single dick pic. Two women were actually frustrated that they could literally post "I'll probably send you nudes" publicly and get crickets. Men are THAT beta.

D) That chick over in the next cubicle might be so horny that she's sending me a bra shot she just took in the bathroom while saying how wet I'm making her and will literally fuck YOU that same day if you were actually interesting and sexy enough. Go talk to her.

[–]lono123 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy


I am positive you sent them your picture and let them know how attractive you are before it progressed to this level. Most men could not do that. If you don't believe me you can go back to some of those girls and ask them how many messages they received that they straight up ignored.

Once again it's more about WHO is messaging these girls rather than WHAT he is saying.

[–]mate961 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree. Translated into woman what she really meant was "I didn't get a message from a single guy... that I found attractive or alpha."

Betas might as well be one of those obviously fake spam you'll sometimes receive on a messaging service, they won't even register you as a human.

[–]Firespit2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Turns out......she didn't get a single message. Not a single dick pic. Two women were actually frustrated that they could literally post "I'll probably send you nudes" publicly and get crickets. Men are THAT beta.

There are actually so many fake profiles on social networks, trying to convince you they are real, that guys automatically assume, it is to good to be true. They think it is probably some fatty, or trans or twinkie living out there fantasy.

[–]mate960 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Because most likely it is shudders never again...

[–]Myrpl2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Off topic but your reference to the intelligent alpha reminded me how much I'd love to see a bi-daily/weekly featured post from the past. There are truly some gems hidden that people new to the sub don't even know how to look for them - and I'm obviously not talking about top posts.

[–]Freddy_Fedora2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Red pill isn't a competition to out-alpha eachother either. Just chill out when it comes to your red pill credentials.

[–]King-Kuranes2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Great post.

The biggest problem with this sub right now is you have a massive influx of guys who are just trying to use TRP as some new game theory where the only objective of life is to get laid and if you're not doing that you're some idiot failure. To be Chad is not your goal. You are supposed to focus on self improvement and better yourself wherever that path may lead. You find hobbies, you improve your mind, improve your standing in life and take what you want.

If you're only focus is being Chad and getting laid then you're no better than a god damned animal.

[–]muscularPHD0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

But we are animals. Welcome to the red pill.

Wanting to get laid is healthy and normal and should not be shamed.

[–]King-Kuranes0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm not shaming, but if it is the sole purpose of you taking the Red Pill then you never really took it

[–]night-addict2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Learned all this today during a date I was on. Scored a new plate and confirmed everything you said before you posted it.

I'll drop an FR if people are interested

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Women view sex like blowing your nose. Not a big deal for them. Men view sex as a holy grail activity. When a man blows his load on a woman he sees it as awesome, his magical seeds has spread.

She sees it as cleaning up mucus on her body. That's why women break up with guys who clearly show no commitment for them. They want that commitment/gifts/money/status. Sex is the vehicle to get her prize. The moment he says no to that she stops sex.

If women blew their load like guys do every time they have sex, they would also partake in sex for sex's sake.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

If women blew their load like guys do every time they have sex, they would also partake in sex for sex's sake.

Adam Leonas talks about this in his book. The reason that women got the upper hand in sexual politics is simply that they have a lower sex drive. Similar to the idea that the one who cares the least in a relationship has the power. It is how women can use sex to manipulate, since they can freely withhold it. Men would rarely think of withholding it, since they would just be punishing themselves.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Never thought of it like that. Makes perfect sense. That's why girls go to clubs to get drooled on and have no problem going home alone after. They don't care about the guys who bought them a bottle or drinks, they already have their Chads and male models waiting for them at home.

[–]magus6781 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Great, great post, especially point 2.

I feel like we need more posts like this one; I still see comments where I feel like some people are only superficially "getting it."

I get the feeling that for some RP is just the latest in a long line of emulated personalities that guys, especially younger guys, are putting on like clothing.

[–]OpiumPhrogg1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

A good example of "Chad" would be the idiot football player in the first 10 to 20 minutes of the movie Idiocracy. I couldn't find a clip of that, but if you haven't watched the movie, you probably should.

[–]Circlelurker901 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

"If you were to walk up to a chick right now who's just sipping coffee or something unimportant then you'd probably do just fine and could probably get a date out of it."

Idk man, either you're a really good looking guy that doesn't need to try or you live somewhere with atypically friendly women. Where I live on the east coast, unless you're a celebrity, this will not work.

I appreciate the fact that you're trying to lift everyone's spirits and provide encouragement but I think you have an inaccurate picture of the male population. You're are probably already thinking of above average guys, so the 80th percentile of that group will be 90th percentile overall and will have no problem. But do you really believe the 80th percentile is getting anything more than scraps? Think of all the above average guys you know that get nothing - I know we all know many people like that.

[–]friendlysociopathic1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thank god for this post. I hope we see more of this from ECs.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just a great post from start to finish. Just lays it all out there.

Post #1 could not be more true. Get out of your head, get out there and start meeting women. If you go down in flames; take some time to analyze it and do better the next time.

[–]vakerr1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Can you believe that there's a fucking wage gap?

No, because there isn't one. It has been debunked multiple times, just google it.

[–]TRP VanguardYouDislikeMyOpinion1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

One thing I have to say is that I have met women in the three digit range. Don't know about these harpies on reddit. But you're right, most women are not in the three digit range.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I was on POF this morning, but wasn't signed in yet. I clicked on "my profile" and it still brought it up as well as "suggestions" of other men my age (I'm 44).

These men were not attractive. Most were doing things like work, most were fat, poorly groomed, not dressed up, dirty, etc.

One guy took like 15 selfies of pretty much the same bearded pose. One guy had a picture of him on a Goldwing and he's got shorts on, a shitty shirt, his white legs are showing, and he's got a pot belly he's not even trying to hide.

I thought, "How the fuck can I not beat these guys? I'm only 5'8" but I look better than the do and my pics are better. I'm doing shit, dressed well, around friends, in exotic locations (Taj Majal), and while I'm still overweight I've put muscle on underneath it and I hold everything really well.

I've got a long way to go, but I repeatedly get told by women that I look 36 or even younger.

There's a reason why women find 80% of men unattractive. I used to think it was just bigotry, but for fucks sake a lot of dudes just don't have a clue.

[–]NawtVolkishEnuf1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

A 4th truth that definitely needs to be added is: Opportunity Trumps All

If you don't have the opportunity to meet attractive women, it doesn't matter how much you lift, how much swag you've got, how aesthetic your face is, your race, your wealth, your game, etc. As long as you meet the basic standards -not obese, covered in cystic acne, shower daily, don't look like a serial killer - pre-selection matters more than any of this shit.

A beta who has chubby baby face and no game who is in social circles with lots of women will get laid more than an "alpha" who is constantly in sausage fests. "Monk mode" is practically a nuclear option. I wouldn't recommend it unless you are 50+lbs overweight, haven't bathed in weeks, dress in rags etc.

If you're a guy who's just starting college, meeting tons of women in general, platonic or sexual, should be your main priority, especially this early in the year. As long as you're not a filthy neckbeard, some of them will find you attractive. Or their friends will, or friends of friends at parties they get invited to and you tag along. Build rapport now, and it'll be easier to get laid later than if you waited until you were benching 300lbs and 12% body fat to start approaching girls. There is no time limit to self-improvement, but social connections are fickle.

Chris from Good Looking Loser has the right attitude when it comes to the 80/20 philosophy; all you have to do to be in the top 10-20% is to be above average. Lifting, dressing decently, a healthy sense of entitlement, and a purpose in life already put you above the average dude. If your face is halfway decent looking, that'll get you well past there.

"Btw, the feminist women on the internet lie about their counts. They give any ridiculous three digit number (or even high two digit) just to look more sex positive. They're full of shit you guys."

Men lie about their counts as well. Anytime a man claims to have been with more than about 4 * (number of years since turning 18) women, I assume he's either A) Full of shit or B) Doing some serious dumpster diving.

[–]heero010 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I ask this before i have to ask again is it really how it works now. High count is sought after cause in any conversation with men thats not something being looked for.

[–]Circlelurker900 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"If you were to walk up to a chick right now who's just sipping coffee or something unimportant then you'd probably do just fine and could probably get a date out of it."

Idk man, either you're a really good looking guy that doesn't need to try or you live somewhere with atypically friendly women. Where I live on the east coast, unless you're a celebrity, this will not work.

I appreciate the fact that you're trying to lift everyone's spirits and provide encouragement but I think you have an inaccurate picture of the male population. You're are probably already thinking of above average guys, so the 80th percentile of that group will be 90th percentile overall and will have no problem. But do you really believe the 80th percentile is getting anything more than scraps? Think of all the above average guys you know that get nothing - I know we all know many people like that.

[–]mugatucrazypills0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

agreed, there's threads on here ... don't approach women or even try to fu*k until you're in super jacked beast mode with wolverine claws, complete med school twice, etc.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

have completed med school 9 times, injected litres of steroids into my body and just read over 9000 non fiction books. Going to try complete med school again before i approach.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

God damn. Talk about hitting the nail on the head. BlackDragon has a good article about actual rates of people getting laid and it's a lot lower than we'd think, given the prevalence of "Hookup Culture" propaganda that is out there making people all insecure.

You are the voice of reason in this subreddit and I hope this get's sidebarred.

Keep on good shepherding mate, cracking post.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is something that I needed to hear and kind of experienced yesterday. Assuming your not an Auschwitz toothpick that plays WoW all day, if you just exercise somehow for over six months, groom yourself so you look your best (don't worry about how Chad looks, let's focus on yourself), dress your best and display masculine traits/take the lead around a woman, you can still satisfy your sexual needs. It may not be a 10/10 Russian model with a perfect ass, but she just needs to pass a boner test, right?

Hell I'm 21, skinny (working towards a healthy weight now in college), racially mixed and am in a really nerdy major (math is my shit), but I still had an opportunity to get with this girl on the bus who was sending me IOIs yesterday (she was just a plain-looking white girl, but Boner test was still passed).

Most of the Chad Field Reports are just 1% extremes of reality. Sadly, most of us will never be like the theoretical Chad. All that is really required is to be above average in some way from all of the other guys, which isn't really that hard if you look around.

[–]cashmunnymillionaire0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Mods should sticky this. Too many RP noobs are fooled by these beta-bragging "field reports" that claim to unleash some truth or something. They more so paint broad caricatures. True RP and AM is far more nuanced. Women are animals, not robots. Cesar Milan follows a general code of conduct when a dog is out of control, but every animal is different and needs the right TLC. It's not as simple as input:output. Honestly, "all women are similar" is probably what we should be saying instead of awalt.

[–]Terror_of_the_Void0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you man, I needed this. It doesn't take a god to talk to girls.

[–]Surf_Or_Die0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I find that I really only need to ask myself one thing if I wanna improve my alpha game: what would James Bond do?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Im gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you.

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[–]TheSliceman-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It would be productive if we had an official name for the lion alpha man.

Chad Thundercock = Meathead manchild who can fuck and lift but has ultra high time preference.

Beta Bill = average frusterated chump beta bucks orbiter who gets sex when his abusive fat cuntplanet allows him.

________ = Lion Alpha man. Leader. Makes decisions. Fucks who and when he wants. Lifts late into life. Runs businesses. Owns Estates, etc

Suggestions: Apex Red, Redward Lionic, Red Richard..

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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