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I Have Been Doing Cold Approach For 2 Years Now: This Is How I Went From Kissless Handholdless Virgin To 15 Lays In 1 Month

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ForeverKarlMalone
May 2, 2020
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About 3 years ago, I was a 29 year old Asian guy with only a couple months to go before I turned 30, working at a Big 3 Accounting Firm, and I was realizing that I was unhappy and miserable, working long hours at all times of the day and night and spending all my free time playing Overwatch, and Dota 2…

And despite earning good money, I had a house and some savings, I just knew my life was NOWHERE near where I wanted it to be or thought it SHOULD be, despite all the years of hard work because I was FOREVER ALONE. I was still a virgin at age 29. A kissless handholdless virgin… I just wanted to take the time to finally get this off my chest since I have nothing better to do during the quarantine.

I soon decided, with the help of an epiphany while reading an article on RedPill titled “HOW TO GET LAID LIKE A WARLORD” that this was not the life for me and that I would need to start approaching girls and learning game to have any hope of losing my virginity before 30…

I didn't want to become a 100+ lay gigachad like the article outlined:

  • I just wanted to experience what other guys experienced in college that I missed out on.
  • I just wanted to have someone I could share my hopes and struggles with, someone I could come home to and hug if I had a bad day.
  • I just wanted to have some fun before I get married and start a family…

Was that really too much to ask?

So I quickly began to learn about game and seduction and browsed Reddit and other forums almost daily to get hyped up and learn how to do cold approach. I soon discovered, however, that I had bitten off far more than I could chew…

I met up with a white guy I met online who seemed equally as motivated as me to go out and approach and we went out to several bars and clubs together. Every time we went out, he would always go home with a new girl, mostly Asian girls… I’m not proud of it, but I was extremely jealous since none of these girls gave me any kind of IOIs or other signs of attraction when I approached, and stopped going out with him. Now, I realize it's because he went to the gym a lot and always had a nice haircut, but back then, It was kind of ridiculous how I’d approach girl after girl and get one word answers and a GO AWAY vibe the entire conversation and he would come in a few minutes later and THE SAME GIRL would be smiling and asking him questions about himself, it felt like he didn’t even need to do any work to get laid…

At this point, I was watching pickup videos from or reading articles on how to get girls on an almost daily basis, trying to study and learn all the latest game techniques. It felt like I hit a brick wall. This was SOOO much harder than I thought it would be. The “HOW TO GET LAID LIKE A WARLORD” article specifically said that “women would rather fuck an ugly guy with a strong frame than a handsome guy with a weak one” but that didn’t seem to be the case. I was a 5’5” Asian guy competing with 6’0”+ white guys at every club I went to and it felt like no matter what I said, no girls were even willing to have an actual conversation with me. This is after 100+ approaches so I knew that it wasn’t just bad luck or lack of effort.

So reluctantly, after learning some valuable lessons about the harsh nature of reality, I invested $2997 in a well known pickup bootcamp since I figured I was already watching so many of their videos, and it’s only fair that I pay them and hopefully learn how to break through my sticking points since my strategy of trying to learn everything by myself was clearly failing.

For those of you thinking about going to a PUA Bootcamp, be very careful you don't waste all your money like I did. This particular company did not give a single FUCK about me other than my money. My instructor just kept telling me to approach and approach, which I already knew how to do, and every time I asked for feedback on why none of the girls seemed receptive, he would give some bullshit feedback on how my vibe was off. I asked him how to correct it and he never had any real answers, always giving some woo woo answer about how I needed to have outcome independence and have more fun. It was really weird that everyone who seemed to succeed seemed to be the type to go to the gym a lot and pay a lot of attention to their physical appearance, even though they teach that looks don't matter.

I finally lost my virginity through sheer luck after over 500 approaches. It was a fat and ugly latina girl who was so drunk she didn’t know where she was and I just happened to be there to help her home but it still counts. At this point, I was so desperate that I tried to go out on dates with her and become her boyfriend but she stopped responding to my texts after the second date… Over the next couple of years, I became obsessed with getting good with girls, which certainly kept me going, but it also caused some problems…

I went out with so many wingmen, hoping to find that gold nugget, that shining piece of knowledge or wisdom that would finally catapult me past this unbreakable wall, but they would either be just as bad with girls as me or be over 5'10", no exceptions. I read an article on Reddit about how you had to talk louder and slower and that actually helped a lot. Girls would actually give me a chance to have a conversation with them instead of rejecting me immediately but they would still shake their head when I asked them to go home with me or even just grab a drink together. That's when it hit me that I didn't know as much as I thought I did and that there was a lot more to learn.

The bad news is, all this rejection was not good for my mental health. I started to wonder if maybe a short Asian guy like myself is just not meant to procreate… I was seriously considering moving to Thailand or The Philippines to try to at least find a gold digger wife…

But finally, I found one particular dating coach that really resonated with me and I immersed myself in his training… He was 5’7” and Asian, so a short Asian like me.

The first thing he told me was that my hairstyle, fashion, and body language were all shit and unless I fix them first, nothing else would work. Now this is completely contradictory to some of the other advice I read like the HOW TO GET LAID LIKE A WARLORD article which convinced me that looks don’t matter but I decided to give it a shot. I got a blazer and chinos from Zara and got an undercut haircut with faded sides along with a gold watch. I didn’t expect anything to happen right away but the difference in girls’ reactions really was noticeable IMMEDIATELY. Suddenly, they would hang in and listen to every word I had to say instead of just politely waiting for me to leave. One girl even started asking me questions about myself and followed me when I asked her to grab a drink with me! I was SOOO HAPPY, it felt like everything changed.

Next, he told me to fix my posture and stand up perfectly straight with no neck or back tilt. This was really hard for me because I spent my entire adult life playing video games and working in front of a computer, always hunched over. I even had to go to a chiropractor to undo the years of bad habits and damage to my posture but it finally got fixed after I started wearing a back brace like they give to scoliosis patients. Again, I noticed immediate results. I actually pulled a girl home this time and got a blowjob! No lay thought because of last minute resistance…

The one thing that really transformed my results though was to speak to girls with vocal variety. I had a very monotone voice that didn’t change in volume or pitch at all. He had me watch episodes of F.R.I.E.N.D.S and we noticed that every character spoke with such vocal variety and inflections that it sounded like they were speaking in color compared to my black and white. This did not come easy but I worked had on it until it was at least somewhat passable. This turned out to be the tipping point and I finally started getting laid regularly when I go out instead of once every 500 approaches like before. Overall, I'm very happy to have fucked 15 girls. I know that's not a lot compared to some other guys on here but it's a big improvement over ZERO.

That’s kind of the level I’m at right now. The girls aren’t like model level 9’s or 10’s yet but I’ve gotten a 7 before, mostly 5’s and 6’s but it’s a massive improvement over nothing. The quarantine obviously put approaching on hold but luckily, I already had a plate I was regularly seeing before shit hit the fan, so I’m not wanting for sex, just spending my days reading and learning as much as I can about working out and nutrition since I got fatter from the quarantine and plan on hitting the gym as soon as things open back up. Hope everyone reading this is safe and got some value from my post. Just needed to get this off my chest before work starts up again.


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Title I Have Been Doing Cold Approach For 2 Years Now: This Is How I Went From Kissless Handholdless Virgin To 15 Lays In 1 Month
Author ForeverKarlMalone
Upvotes 878
Comments 194
Date 02 May 2020 04:07 PM UTC (3 months ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
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Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/gc8ydl/i_have_been_doing_cold_approach_for_2_years_now/
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[–]∞ Mod | TRP Vanguardbsutansalt[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children) | Copy

For reference:

HOW TO GET LAID LIKE A WARLORD: 37 Rules of Approaching Model-Tier Girls <-- solid information, but like the OP found out looks, height, and build do in fact matter. They're not the be all, end all of what makes men attractive to women, but they do play an important part. If you didn't hit the genetic lottery and are not in the top 10% of men, then you've got some work cut out for you, so the more you improve those areas the better off you'll be in the long run. For example, if you are obese, lose the body fat. If you're scrawny, put on 20lbs of muscle. If you dress like a schlub, have bad skin, or a terrible haircut for your face shape, then fix how you present yourself. You get the picture.

> speak to girls with vocal variety

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIho2S0ZahI

Bonus:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ks-_Mh1QhMc

https://www.entrepreneur.com/slideshow/299610

[–]Gus-_262 points263 points  (59 children) | Copy

Good shit. So you didn’t think to get nice clothing/haircut for years?

[–]1ForeverKarlMalone[S] 199 points200 points  (49 children) | Copy

As weird as it sounds, no because there were so many gurus that told me looks don't matter

[–]eboyster80 points81 points  (32 children) | Copy

I can say with the lockdown going on my hair is long as fuck and girls aren’t even looking at me like they normally do. I haven’t lifted either in a month so the shreds aren’t here either

[–]Stron2g60 points61 points  (26 children) | Copy

Closing gyms are killing me. Open them back up ffs LOL

[–]muricanwerewolf173 points74 points  (24 children) | Copy

That might be the worst thing about this. Not only am I a gains goblin but exercise is the most reliable thing to keep the demons at bay, my sleep is shit and my drinking right now is terrible. I’m angry all the time. If I could just hit the gym I wouldn’t feel like this at all.

[–]absolutelynp44 points45 points  (2 children) | Copy

bro just get a pullup bar, put weights in a backpack and do pushups and pullups all day

[–]Indythrowaway223 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I have also been putting weights in a backpack to do dips on my back porch. Same effect as a 45lb plate hanging from my waist at the gym. Gotta get creative. For my pushups I just have my 8 or 12 year old hop on my back.

[–]absolutelynp2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

yeah I actually only work out at home always. you really can get creative, get some equipment, build a cable machine with dirt cheap pullies. everything is possible. t-bar rows in the corner of the room, my new favorite lol.

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[–]Dandeeasalion4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah, there's some really good books out there on bodyweight exercises

[–]dauntlessmax11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Try rearranging your stuff/washing your car/doing housework, getting a high from exerting strength haha.

[–]Deezney4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

I have an over the door frame pull up bar and a dip station and a few dumbbells at home and it kinda does the job.

[–]muricanwerewolf16 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

When gyms were open I spent at least an hour four days a week at the gym. That would not do it for me.

[–]misterljam3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I understand it sucks haha. Ive been doing calisthenics and bands for certain isolation movements, walking and jump rope for cardio. Still not the same but better than nothing

[–]LiberianCongauBCBa1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

“Exercise keeps the demons at bay” perfect quote

[–]usernameagain20 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Check out rucking and ‘Goruck’. I’m not affiliated, just a fan of the system.

[–]HondaCrv20100 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Iron wolf on YouTube would like to have a word with you

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

calisthenics are fine. it wont give you the gains a gym will, but you will have a routine to keep the demons at bay and it will keep you at least somewhat fit. also, get some sand bags, good lifting equipment replacement

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[–]muricanwerewolf17 points8 points  (7 children) | Copy

PTSD and clinical depression, yes. Exercise is my main therapy. It is difficult to manage in these conditions. All I can say is thank god for the state for keeping me "safe" from a disease that has a practically 0 percent chance of killing me while my mental heath goes down the shitter.

[–]adfaer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I’m in exactly the same boat, man, clinical depression and ocd. What’s saving me is stair sprints. I just sprint stairs until I want to die twice a day, keeps me on a permanent high.

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[–]Endorsed ContributorSKRedPill3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Amazon to buy and everything is anyway on library genesis (gen.lib.rus.ec)

[–]SomeComposer550 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I didn't know about that site. Thanks for the link.

[–]RanaMahal2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

idk what you’re on about. i have the jesus hair going on and it’s completely fine 🤷🏾‍♂️ unless you mean you have the awkward in between phase then ya

[–]cuztrp-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I did a small social experiment on this. Since quarantine started I didn't get a haircut nor shaved my beard either. I looked okayish but not attractive enough to let girls turn their necks when walking in the streets. Not to sound self-cinceited or anything but I do notice iois just walking around the city on my best days.

Anyways. with all the hair going on no one gave a fuck, I uploaded a picture of before and after shaving my beard, and most people said that I looked more masculine with my messed up beard and ugly mustache. However now every time I need to go out for the groceries, I don't wear a mask, girls would throw IOIs. I can't wait to get a proper haircut from my barber and get back to the game man

[–]pacjax50 points51 points  (9 children) | Copy

thats the worst myth out there, luckily red pill doesn't teach that

[–]brockbridges54021 points22 points  (8 children) | Copy

Definitely. Bald on top for years and used to random women cutting me down. And I mean personal, offensive, judgmental comments that guys would never say in the face of unattractive women. Totally shaved my head for my own satisfaction and I play around with different beard styles. Presto Change o and girls come up to me. Not all the time, but I never get that female resentment vibe that I used to. Fuck them, they're only good for sex and carrying on our genes.

[–]gabeangelo20 points21 points  (4 children) | Copy

Fuck them, they're only good for sex and carrying on our genes.

You really do sound resentful, man.

[–]FinallyRed7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy

Being dismissed personally for things you have no control over and seeing no repercussions for the offenders will do that.

[–]gabeangelo1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

That's what stoicism is for, to take other's offending opinions like if they were nothing and as a sample of the poor quality of a person that woman is, hence, why anything she says is worthless, because it's only a projection of how she sees herself. I hope that makes sense.

[–]FinallyRed0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

That's probably for the best, but I empathize with people that aren't pleased when that shit happens all the time and you can't chalk it up to a couple bad apples. Women are whack dude.

[–]gabeangelo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I guess you're right. Consistent rejection with very offensive remarks is really hard to shake off.

[–]LethalShade11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

Are you really surprised? Don't men do the exact same thing with a fat girl vs a normal-looking girl paying them attention? Might seem a little silly about hair but it's even worse for girls, they paint their face and they get different levels of reactions from guys.

[–]i-am-the-prize5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don't men do the exact same thing with a fat girl vs a normal-looking girl paying them attention

not the same. 99% of overweight chicks are fat due to shit choices and lack of discipline.

guys go bald 99% of the time due to things beyond their control (ie: genetics)

so there is a difference.

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire214 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's funny though, because sometimes it SEEMS like they don't, but if you aren't getting results, you HAVE to do something different. Some guys who get laid a lot, appeared VERY ugly to me, but they were compensating in other ways: posture, social proof, social manipulation, putting in a lot of effort. Meanwhile, other guys that didn't have those things going, but were of equal looks, would get ignored. I, on the other hand, looked good, but was socially awkward, so I was always obsessed with these invisible things that seemed to be getting in my way.

The nice thing about looks-maxing is that it is relatively easy to fix, and then you are done. You buy good clothes, get the best haircut, take care of your skin, exercise regularly, fix your posture, and then you'll notice an improvement in how you are treated.

The other stuff can be a bit more difficult because it is idiosyncratic, and it is in your head, and invisible, so you have to draw it out through introspection, meditation, and writing.

[–]winterspassing9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

It’s a good point, the phrase should be looks don’t matter but presentation does because you can always change how you present yourself but you can never change your looks. Kudos on your journey!

[–]Endorsed ContributorSKRedPill4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

You should have observed celebrities then. Initial attraction is all about looks.

I think you learnt one lesson - everything has a place and purpose. And your game is never stronger than its weakest part. Don't listen to people who shit on others - they're just upset someone else has a tool they don't.

[–]LethalShade3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Really bad advice. I always took it to mean "Maximize your looks but don't get obsessed by getting something that you can't i.e. being taller if you're short, being a different race." As that actually doesn't matter and will only hurt you.

[–]BryanJz3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

You might have misunderstood the looks dont matter thing. You wanna look the best VERSION of you always (clothes, haircut, smell) but the fact that you're the same small asian guy did not change. Thats the part that doesnt matter and you shouldn't obsess about

[–]improvingtommy47 points48 points  (4 children) | Copy

You'd think that would be the first thing a guy trying to pick up women would realise. Even men who aren't red pill understand this. Nice haircut, nice watch, nice shoes and clothes that fit. Clean shave or tidy up your beard, be in decent shape.

[–]muricanwerewolf115 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

You’d think, but there’s a lot of bullshit about how confidence is everything, and owning who YOU are.

[–]Vloneturtle9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

I can relate to this. I agree!

[–]redditme7893 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

But with all that indoctrination about how looks don’t matter. Girls love you for who you are, be yourself.

And these are things that TRP tells the truth about

[–]PaulMurrayCbr10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

Every man carries a number on his forehead. A number visible only to women and gay men. That number is: the total retail price of what you are wearing, including accessories.

[–]myfirsttimecoding7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

I’ve pulled more girls in a £3 muscle fit t shirt and no jewellery than any fancy hype beast or guys who dress like malefashionadvice posters

In the end the girl will go home with the guy who approaches and who she finds attractive enough. Most people can’t tell the difference between £20 jeans and £100 jeans or £20 shoes and £400

[–]RPOpenUp0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

What about rocking a buzzcut? Allways been curious about this.

Is a buzzcut considered to be a nice haircut?

[–]RightNowImReady0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's a masculine haircut, great for getting girls age 25-45 that are tired of pussy boys, it goes best with a masculine face obviously. However it's the worst haircut if you are going for JB.

[–]n0oo7199 points200 points  (11 children) | Copy

I met up with a white guy I met online who seemed equally as motivated as me to go out and approach and we went out to several bars and clubs together

The most upvoted post in this sub should be "how to find platonic Male friends for life" cause that will probably improve your life more than anything.

[–]woehtovanquished75 points76 points  (5 children) | Copy

To have good friends is to be a good friend.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (4 children) | Copy

Exactly. This is a truth of life.

If you go around constantly trying to extract or get things for yourself, you will not have success. While if you go around trying to BE friends to everyone - not just male guys who will bring value to your life, be friends to people, all people, especially people who can’t pay you back- then you will learn how to be a good man. Being a good man is how you attract good friends BUT again - if you’re goal is right you will become a friend to many people.

The shift of focus from yourself - to others - is the key success factor for all human relationships. It’s hard to say this is even true with women but it is. It just can’t be at the beginning of a relationship (before sex) because women see this as a manipulation tactic and they are often right. So yes, even in game - you can be a giver. This is a careful topic that needs explaining but it is true.

[–]kaymaximus1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Completely agree. The purpose of every relationship is to give. You do however have to pay attention if it gives you nothing of value!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Actually, there are going to be many times you don't get value. I think eventually everything works out. If you are constantly looking for getting value then you are by definition not really giving, you're trying to exchange.

The highest ideal is to go around giving and most people won't return the favor, but that's the world's problem and not your own.

[–]PhasmaFrank0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

But wouldnt you say theres a fine line with people talin advantage?”being too. Good”

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

No, you can't be too good.

If you were perfect - and you were good to everyone, chances are - some people will take advantage of you. However, you can't affect people's behavior being bad. Obviously you have the wisdom to not let people abuse you but your aim is still on the good. You can't be "too good".

[–]holyrasta19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is hard as fuck as most dudes are not your friend. Carefull.

[–]realperson679825 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

We could use more content on this. Invaluable.

[–]∞ Mod | TRP Vanguardbsutansalt2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's what The Fraternity is for.

[–]Lion_Of_Mara0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I Have my buddy, who would shared PUArtistry books. But didn't know about TRP. The day i knew about TRP, i shared it with him. My buddy was so receptive, and after months of trying we always share about what he has found out in the field or what i have found out.

[–]deeznutsbeswingin54 points55 points  (1 child) | Copy

Gratz, op. Trp needs more content like this

[–]dethroes20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed, op. You are a humble learner as all of us should strive to be- even the gigachads out there.

[–]jacoballen2234 points35 points  (3 children) | Copy

Gonna spread some positivity here cause apparently Reddit doesn’t have much of that. As a fellow 5’5” dude, I respect your approach.

[–]Endorsed ContributorSKRedPill9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

Most of you guys ought to look in your own backyard. You will usually be taller than more girls from your own region than the average European or American.

[–]jacoballen223 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

You’re correct. I tend to gravitate towards women taller than me for some odd reason but the long legs get me.

[–]Endorsed ContributorSKRedPill2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ha ha...men can date up and down (but not so down to the point of un-attractiveness). Women are way more picky (but only as long as their prime lasts). It's just a partial manifestation of K vs R Factor reproduction.

[–]recov3r84 points85 points  (2 children) | Copy

All those gurus who say that look does not matter don't want to loose their potential clients who lacks in looks department, so its best for their business, but the thing is you need to look presentable and have some decent dressing sense. You can relate it with the HR screening, then after that you will be evaluated on your skill set that is the minimum requirement for the initial stage. Chicks who spend hours on their physical appearance and try to hide any imperfections they have but you won't judge on looks is bullshit lie, they do but that doesn't mean you need to look like model just be presentable take care of you basic hygiene and then evaluate what needs improvement next.

[–]Lion_Of_Mara2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'd rather replace "Looks" with "Image",

[–]TheGreatConst3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, right. There is a big difference between looking like a cool guy and looking like a loser.

[–]712195804120124 points25 points  (2 children) | Copy

Hmm any tips on solving the vocal variety issue?? Did you just practice acting like FRIENDS characters in front of a mirror or something? I definitely speak in a fairly monotone voice right now.

[–]1ForeverKarlMalone[S] 41 points42 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yes, I would watch a YouTube video of a world class public speaker like Tony Robbins and copy his words and tone exactly, everything from his body language to how loud he is to exactly what kinds of inflections he makes. This is actually a really really hard exercise to do if you really try to get it exact and not just a poor imitation. I went back and forth with my mentor on Skype for days before finally getting a passable version.

[–]brockbridges5403 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

That makes a lot of sense. Thanks!

[–]00jppcbc0079 points80 points  (6 children) | Copy

Not even a fan of the pickup scene but the "Just be confident bro" myth is so stupid it hurts.

[–]HellSpeed40 points41 points  (4 children) | Copy

Honestly, confidence is probably the number one thing to have when it comes to pick up. I get the feeling a lot of people don't really know what that means though. But having confidence doesn't mean you can neglect all the other areas like style and fitness.

[–]00jppcbc0018 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

What I'm saying is you should be focusing on bettering yourself even before wanting to fuck any girls. The amount of desinformation is disgusting

[–]00jppcbc001 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You really believe that? Some coaches blatantly lie to their clients and charge thousands of dollars. You need to put an effort in yourself, for you and not for any other person, not just to pick up chicks.

[–]znikrep1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you can actually benefit from someone telling you "just be confident", you haven't internalised what confidence is.

[–]00jppcbc00-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's a simple numbers game, you can still pull chicks, but at a stupidly low rate as this guy(1 in 500). If you take care of yourself it will be much easier. Confidence is not the main thing, you can't be a fat lazy shit trying to pick up chicks

[–]aidsburgerss2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just be Confident bro!

[–]SomeComposer5516 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

I love reading success stories like this. Thanks so much for posting this.

[–]LeatherBoundWisdom14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy

What you said about voice inflection is very true. The most prominent change of my pill swallowing experience was my accent. I switched from unobtrusive monotone to boisterous Brooklyn and the difference is monumental. It's actually more evident in my professional life than my dating life. My interviews are incredibly entertaining for both parties, and I have yet to interview without being extended an offer since the switch. A roller coaster that doesn't go up and down is no fun, the same is true of a voice.

[–]catsdontsmile0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Really? My voice goes up and down all the time and I've always thought it plays against me so I try to keep it under control and try to keep it deep if possible which doesn't come naturally if I let myself go. Picture Seinfeld, that's me talking comfortably.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6yFDm9xT2E

[–]LeatherBoundWisdom4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ha, I'm exactly the same.

If you're too much in the higher end it will definitely go against you. The general rule of "deep voice is masculine" still applies. My "average" inflection I'll keep rather deep, and my fluctuation is relative to that deep midpoint. So when I'm going "high" - I'm really going average or slightly above average. When low - very low. This wasn't natural to me, but over time and habit it will become so.

I'm convinced a naturally high voice is a product of a submissive tonality developed as a child, due to low confidence. My voice naturally used to get higher when I talked to my father, who used to scream at me.

[–]peacemakerzzz10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good that you are in progress. I’m a taiwanese guy and my height is 5’4, definitely smaller than you. Your post seems like it is still coming from the perspective of exiting the matrix, but you still seem like you’re in the frame of no-confidence.

To a certain degree height matters, and you really can’t do anything about it. It’s just a matter of preference the same way you choose which car you want to buy. The best thing for us short guys is to always play to our strengths, never on weaknesses. Sometimes it’s good to use weaknesses as a form of humor but I don’t recommend it unless the woman you are talking to is humorous herself.

I wouldn’t say height is the causal factor for a lack of confidence. Ever since I started lifting in 2016 and now that I’m really (really) shredded, my confidence just soared higher than ever. There was this one time when I was in Bali I made friends with this French dude in a hostel and he was impressed that I was getting more girls than him. Mind you, he was more attractive than me but he wasn’t very vocal with his words, very monotonous. He asked me how do I do it, I told him not to be embarrassed with your own sexuality and just be genuinely enthusiastic in meeting people.

Fashion wise, you do you man don’t copy anybody else’s swag. Just make sure what you want is still appreciated by many. My closet for going out to clubs/bars consists of all black pieces of clothing. Different shades of black and just jordan 1s. The different color tones of black add style to the monotony. My point is, just cos it’s zara doesn’t make it stylish. What’s stylish is adding your own take on the piece. After all, fashion is a form of art. Don’t listen to PUA for fashion advice, most of these guys have poor tastes in fashion 😂 Instead, look for youtube fitspiration or check streetwear. Depends on your tastes. If business setting, that’s a different thing but you get the point.

I also recommend you read Way of The Wolf by Jordan Belfort. It’s not a PUA book, but a sales book. I’ve been in sales for 4 years now and there’s not much difference from selling a certain product, to selling yourself to women. Selling requires mastery, and mastery is the root of all confidence. If you know your shit well enough, you would see future obstacles as necessary challenges to reach the climb. They are there for a reason.

Sales also teaches you that rejection is just a bump on the road because the buyer needs more persuasion on why she needs to buy. That’s what salesmen are for, to help them rationalise the rejection. Rejection is just an innate part of human decisions, it clears doubt the same way you read reviews on yelp before you go to a restaurant. Cold approaches and cold calling both have rejections on the menu. They’re no different in the world of sales.

I understand that you are coming from a desk job? It’s important that you need to learn at least how to think like a salesman... or an entrepreneur because it really helps you think for yourself. An outside the box perspective that you don’t get working for a company (no matter how big they are, you will always be inside the cubicle). I left my job in 2018 and things have gone sour but they’ve gone much sweeter too because of the freedom.

Be that guy who knows his shit. Don’t copy anybody else’s “Game” and you do you.

I realize I’ve written more than I should but to hell with it. I’m tiny lol

[–]ahackercalled4chan6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

great work bro! really good field report too

[–][deleted] 91 points92 points  (50 children) | Copy

This isn't a success story lol

I finally lost my virginity through sheer luck after over 500 approaches.

Imagine how much time and energy / resources was invested to get to this point. Probably thousands of hours / thousands of dollars. And all you got was random sex with strangers that you don't care about / and that don't care about you.

It's funny even people who teach game for years now -they get bored and realize, maybe we should chase money because after we figure out girls they are kind of boring and not worth dedicating our life to. It's interesting those that are the most successful in "getting girls" also seem to value it the least. That should tell you something.

Imagine if all you did was focus on improving your finances, fitness, social skills, masculinity, mission / purpose and learned a little red pill knowledge (by a little I mean like well under 10 hrs, maybe like the rational male and 1 other book and an occasional YouTube channel - still, well under 10 hrs total time investment).

You would be a better man. Who cares if you get sluts in the club to sleep with you. I don't understand why men measure their success based upon what thots think of them. The 15 girls you got laid with, they've also slept with 50-100 other dudes. Why is this something to be proud of or even seek? Why not seek to become a high value man and have excellent character. Things that have value for years to come rather than something that is worthless.

Now this is completely contradictory to some of the other advice I read like the HOW TO GET LAID LIKE A WARLORD article which convinced me that looks don’t matter but I decided to give it a shot. I got a blazer and chinos from Zara and got an undercut haircut with faded sides along with a gold watch. I didn’t expect anything to happen right away but the difference in girls’ reactions really was noticeable IMMEDIATELY. Suddenly, they would hang in and listen to every word I had to say instead of just politely waiting for me to leave. One girl even started asking me questions about myself and followed me when I asked her to grab a drink with me! I was SOOO HAPPY, it felt like everything changed.

This is kind of funny that you had this realization. Yes, women are attracted to resources. I could go buy a 100k car because I earn well more than that annually. I could have a whole bunch of flashy success indicators and women would want to have sex with me. So what? Are these good women? These are women who whore themselves out for guys with money / resources.

Yes guys - if you make money, have a whole bunch of indicators (very nice house, nice car, nice clothes, nice grooming - all that scream I am a rich / high value man) - you will get tons of girls to want your genes (sex). This isn't a surprise. Guess what, these relationships are worthless. If you build a relationship on her wanting your genetics - that won't last. So you just become a man whore and sleep with 100 girls, maybe 200 then realize it's all pointless and women are predictable and not satisfying. It happens to all these guys. Or you get slapped with child support for 2-10k a month... those flashy resources / success indicators you showed off - there's a reason women sleep with these men. They have money. Michael Jordan's new wife had a prenup to get 1 million per year (increasing later to 5 million per year) - but she knew all she had to do was have kids and she's set for life - billionaire child support is pretty high - she had twins almost immediately. Women happily have sex with high provisioning / high resource / high value men.

Overall, I'm very happy to have fucked 15 girls. I know that's not a lot compared to some other guys on here but it's a big improvement over ZERO.

Want to know the funny thing? You're the same guy. You are literally the same person as before. You learned how to dress nicer, speak in ways that were entertaining, project yourself better as more confident or whatever - but when you go home, you're the same guy you were as a virgin. You have improved some qualities but the fact that you got your count to 10, 20, 50, 100, etc. - doesn't it matter. Here's a better question, did you have to have sex with 15 random girls to feel value of yourself and build your character? Could you have become better and still been a virgin? The answer is yes. You think your value is attached somehow to random girls wanting to have sex with you - but your value as a human being is beyond that. But societal pressure said you shouldn't feel valuable because you're a virgin and you let society determine your inner value.

The truth is - men are valuable based upon what they do and who they are and their purpose / their character. These things are completely independent of women. A high value man will be valuable regardless of if he's a virgin or whatever. If he has a count of 1 of 500 - it is independent of women.

Women don't define you. Your successes or failures with women don't define you. What you do and who you are define you.

[–]livefreeofdie46 points47 points  (17 children) | Copy

Nicely put.

Some of my points

  1. some people put their confidence on their dating ability. You may not be a virgin till 29 as he was and he said he is short and a Asian. That takes a toll onyour confidence. The world is against him. Ever heard of Bamboo ceiling? The women already treat him worse and men are also racist towards him. This shows a sheer will , determination and the discipline required to get what he wanted. Now you are saying this is worthless. After a certain extent : Yes. But for him it did magic. He will see world with new eyes and a new confidence. What you are saying is like "A Billionaire saying money doesn't matter". Bro, money matters a lot. Just the Billionaire will never understand. I think this guy (whatever he chooses to pursue) can achieve any realistic goal he makes for himself. You or people agreeing with you maybe tall, white or some nice ethnicity. But the world (especially west ) is skewed towards short Asian guys. I think if anyone knowd and has seen racism and discrimination they will understand.

  2. You said fucking whores is shit and useless and OP should have spent time on self improvement, money and stuff. Well he said he already earns well. Has savings. Enjoyed his life. The one part that was lagging was chicks. He was a virgin. Now endless pursuit of thots is definitely useless. But A zen or Buddhist or religious person will say the same thing about what you said. A zen or religious nut or Buddhist will say why focus on money and endless pursuits of meaning less things do meditation believe in God, spirituality etc etc. To these people you are a mindless creature who is wasting his time. To you OP is mindless who is not understanding his worth. It's a cycle. Everyone judges the other one. How about we focus on letting people be happy (if they don't hurt others)? I understand what you said and to a certain extent you are correct. For future purpose I would suggest to OP to listen and understand what you said and not go on a journey of meaningless pursuit as it is useless and non-rewarding. But what he already did is not wrong.

I hope I didn't offend you. I agree with your point to a certain extent.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (16 children) | Copy

My losing of my virginity was similar to him. I felt pressure to pursue sex in my early 20s because I was a virigin and it wasn't good sex and it was meaningless and I also fell to societal pressures. I didn't have the wisdom or self-confidence / belief to understand that my value wasn't determined based on what some thots think about me.

Yes. But for him it did magic. He will see world with new eyes and a new confidence.

Haha - it's not REAL confidence. Confidence that comes to you based upon some thot deciding you're worth having sex from is not real. It's built on a house of cards. The same confidence you have from that will shatter the second things aren't going well. 100 girls reject you. You have a terrible accident that disfigures your face or you have a disability - where is that confidence? Gone. You're now suicidal because your worth is based upon something flimsy without any real value or meaning.

What you are saying is like "A Billionaire saying money doesn't matter"

This is true in a way. We praise money and obsess about it. I earn a top 1% income myself in the United States. I live on under 30k per year. Why? Because things and money don't actually bring meaning. Marcus Aurelius, the emperor of Rome, also lived modestly when he was the ruler of the world, the richest / most powerful man on the planet realized that money / wealth are not signficant. We just need enough to take care of our needs and you can have a surprisingly good life with only 50k per year as a single man - probably 35k to be honest.

You or people agreeing with you maybe tall, white or some nice ethnicity. But the world (especially west ) is skewed towards short Asian guys. I think if anyone knowd and has seen racism and discrimination they will understand.

I'm tall and athletic but a minority. So I understand what you're saying. But I don't think you understand what I'm saying. Let's take this example. Guy becomes something Red Pill forum says, gets 15 girls to sleep with him. Let's say they are all 7s. Here's my point. WHO CARES. Let's say you could only get a girl who has a decent body but a 5 of 10 in the face. Ok. She's not that great according to the world. Who CARES? She has a vagina just like the other girls. What is so special about these thots. Jay Cutler married a girl who some think is an 8 or 9 or whatever, now he made 100 million and she divorced him. Tell me, why is the guy dating a needy 8 or 9 better off than the guy with a 5 or 6. I'm not saying to date fat women, not saying to date women you're not attracted to. The question is this:

Why is someone more valuable if they get a few instathots to sleep with them?

The reality is - your value is based upon who you are and what you do. It is NOT based upon random whores sleeping with you. All these relationships are garbage. He will likely never talk to many of those 15 women again. Why is there any value in that. Because he had an orgasm? So now we just chase pleasure and chase highs? Because orgasms are god? It's a terrible path long term and men who follow it will agree. They get through 100 or 200 girls and realize how worthless all this was.

OK, now we get to the red meat. I will discuss your 2nd point.

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You said fucking whores is shit and useless and OP should have spent time on self improvement, money and stuff.

Let's clarify my point. I said sleeping with tons of random girls is worthless. I said it would be better to do things that make you more valuable or provide value to society. Let's just mention a few: Working hard and serving people in business or the community - this provides value and usually pays you well. Being socially valuable - you are kind, generous, fun to be around - you are spreading joy to people because you focus on them. Taking care of your body - eating well and being physically fit. Other hobbies where you grow skills. These are are things that bring value to the world and yourself.

What doesn't - going out and drinking and talking to hundreds of random girls who are fickle and hard to please and are all chasing pleasure / attention / resources from men. They will suck you dry and then be out of your life. Sucking your time, attention, resources, etc. They offer no long term benefits. The 15 girls he slept with will give him nothing in the future.

I'm saying invest your time wisely.

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Well he said he already earns well. Has savings. Enjoyed his life. The one part that was lagging was chicks. He was a virgin. Now endless pursuit of thots is definitely useless. But A zen or Buddhist or religious person will say the same thing about what you said. A zen or religious nut or Buddhist will say why focus on money and endless pursuits of meaning less things do meditation believe in God, spirituality etc etc. To these people you are a mindless creature who is wasting his time.

I believe in God. I don't think building value and doing good things in society is worthless. You are providing value to other people and giving. You are doing positive things and creating / building / living. These are positives. I'm not saying to go around being obsessed about money - this is an extreme perspective. Working extremely hard and serving people - focusing on that - isn't making a god out of money or wealth.

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To you OP is mindless who is not understanding his worth. It's a cycle. Everyone judges the other one. How about we focus on letting people be happy (if they don't hurt others)? I understand what you said and to a certain extent you are correct. For future purpose I would suggest to OP to listen and understand what you said and not go on a journey of meaningless pursuit as it is useless and non-rewarding. But what he already did is not wrong.

haha... you think I'm judging him? I was probably worse off than him. We are discussing ideas. I'm trying to HELP him. I trying to show him a better path. Not because I want to criticize him. Why would I take all this time to tear down and criticize another man. If you read where I am going - I'm trying to help him focus his time and energy on things that will increase value in his life.

I'm not against talking to women or game. Read 1 book. Talk to girls that you run into in life. Ask a few out here and there. If you click with one, take her out. Is she an 8 or 9 or a 5 or 6? WHO CARES. That's just to pad your ego. Did you get 50 girls or 2 girls? WHO CARES. That's just to pad your ego. None of that matters.

Basically I've told him to build a valuable life and don't focus on women so much, if he wants to ask out girls and have relationships / sex - then great. I'm telling him to focus on doing valuable things and being a valuable man.

But what he already did is not wrong.

I'm talking about finding out the best way to spend your time and energy. I'm not trying to tell him he did something wrong. That's not helpful to him or me. I'm having a rational discussion - what value do you have from what you did? What value are you building? These are good questions.

Good luck!

[–]PhantomLegend6162 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just wanted to say that I agree with everything you say. Chasing hoes won't bring any value to your own life. It's better to focus on yourself.

[–]Ravenanom1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

My man. Dude it is quite refreshing to read the thoughts of people who think like you because your shoes is where I want to be in a couple of years. I rarely comment on here but just wanted to tell you big props. You seem to have found the nugget of truth in life.

Still working on my ego because let's face it, the thing is one gigantic bubble in which to protect our feelings from the world. Validation is like crack. I get why girls are so addicted to it. But really it is a false confidence because you're right, what happens to that ego and confidence if something happens to you? Gone, poof. This is one of the things I struggle with because I haven't given it the proper time to resolve it. I am a sociable guy and it really pains/disgusts me sometimes how much getting validated boosts my ego and emotions up, and vice versa. But I digress, awesome post nonetheless.

If you don't mind me asking, what do you do to be a 1% in the USA? Not a religious person, so I'm temporarily replacing worship of God with worship of money. One of my main goals in life is to make more money than I know what to do with, so insight might be useful. Currently about to start in tech and I'm already salivating over the pay.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy

I'm a physician so unfortunately - it's a hard job to get into.

Tech is a fantastic area to work in. There's a YouTube who was a tech lead at Google / Facebook earning 500k or so - so it's very possible although you may be working like 60-80 hrs a week.

I would caution you - I think it's very good to work extremely hard and to earn as much as you can BUT I wouldn't make it your purpose in life. I don't know what a stretch goal is for you, 100k? 200k? But just set it as a goal - work your tail off and get it done. But don't make it your god. The best place to be is indifferent to your income - whether you earn 50k or 500k - you are indifferent BUT you work your ass off and produce as much results as you can. Money follows those who produce. Always be the #1 producer and #1 worker (or the best you can be). But worship of money I don't think is good either as it can dry up too and then you had your identity in something weak. I think identity if working hard, identity in producing results, being reliable - having great character, being a great man - those are things that are unbreakable.

Good luck!

I know my opinion on a forum like this is unpopular - but I wanted to give another take for the few men that will decide to go down a different path. I wish you well.

[–]PhasmaFrank4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

Its refreshing to hear your opinion, sometimes this forum is filled with stories about guys whose most important thing in life are girls, 8,9, 10s, Its all about numbers with money too, plates, but in the long term, all of that isnt a good investment of your time.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

Good luck friend.

It's a hard world. The majority will rarely be following the best path. Bruce Lee said an interesting quote once,

“Adapt what is useful, discard what is useless, and add what is specifically your own.”

You must almost use this sub like that. There are some useful ideas here. But follow no man - because in the end they have an incomplete philosophy. You may find some of my ideas useful, apply them, adapt them - but some of what I say you may find unless - then discard it.

But the most valuable thing I've said is that you should think about what your time is yielding you. Going up and talking to 1000 random girls is a huge waste of your time and yields little benefit. Becoming excellent takes a lot of time but yields dividends for your entire life.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

How did you obtain your mindset?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Exactly as above - I read all the best ideas out there and have combined them. I’ve read all these red pill books, rational male, etc but also read meditations by Marcus Aurelius, the teachings of Jesus Christ, as many modern philosophers and older psychologists, and I’ve taken what is useful.

There are patterns in the universe of what brings success - game / intersexual dynamics is of obsessive importance to a 20 year old man but as you hit 30 and you think less with your sexual drive and more with your brain, you can see more wisdom. This is the problem of being a 20 year old male. You think with your little head.

[–]Ravenanom0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You are spot on. This place is like a tool like any other. There are some very good content for how to live your life well here and there are other's that have no use whatsoever. Pick what beniefts you most and discard the rest.

As to your earlier point about being careful to make money my God, I made it in jest but there is some truth to it. I've come from the poor of the poor and have had the fortune of being given minor wealth as well which I blew it all. None of the shit I ever spent my money on ever gave me fulfilling happiness. Point being, I'm extremely grateful for the way I am right now in regards to how I view life. I am going to make bank. But there is very little I desire to spend it on other than the freedom to do what I want when I so choose.

It's my own conscious growth I'm most interested in and how that defines me, those around me, and the world at large.

Little packages of meat with the ability to think and create on a tiny planet. This thought alone shows the absurdity in life but the utter freedom we have in shaping our own reality. This is the true power I got from Redpill. The power to make my own laws and rules for my own reality. The establishment of frame comes from this state of mind.

[–]livefreeofdie2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy

I agree and understand what you said in terms of lot of things. You gave me some things to think about.

But the point about Billionaires saying money doesn't matter and you agreeing to it is laughable to me.

Lets just agree to disagree on certain things.

Thank you for your time and effort. Nice comment.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy

But the point about Billionaires saying money doesn't matter and you agreeing to it is laughable to me.

That was such a side point - I didn't spend time on it or clarify.

What I am trying to say is that money's value is highest when it meets needs (healthcare, home, shelter, food) - then money's value starts to dip when you start to buy (basic entertainment, phones, recreation, etc). And money's value takes a huge dive once you reach 75k or so.

In fact, the wall street journal (?) did a survey on this and found that happiness didn't increase with income after 75k - because you can buy things you want and need, you can have a little fun with the money, etc. Take Jeff Bezos... he has house / place to live, I do. He has a car, I do. He goes on vacations, I do. We are literally doing similar things - he just does things nicer and vacations in France while I do it locally. But the idea that he is much happier because his net worth is billions higher than me, that's just a false idea sold to you from people who don't have money.

In summary: Money after a certain point doesn't add significant value (US - probably somewhere around 70k).

obviously to a poor person, let's say someone earning 20k or so - that's going to be very meaningful to go to 50k or 75k. I'm not saying money isn't important but instead that the obsession over getting more and more money in America is misplaced. I do think a person earning 30k is better off with 75k. But the 75k going to 150k... that's where I start to say hmmm. Or 150k to 1 million or 1 billion? Hmm.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/nation-now/2018/02/26/does-money-equal-happiness-does-until-you-earn-much/374119002/

This article references the original 75k study (86k in today's dollars). Obviously some people may argue if it's 70k or 100k. But the idea is the same, money's useful declines as income increases beyond a certain point.

[–]lala_xyyz0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

survey on this and found that happiness didn't increase with income after 75k - because you can buy things you want and need, you can have a little fun with the money

that's pretty close to 80% income percentile. there is a book on applying pareto principle to every facet of your life, including learning new stuff. the only thing where a man should be near 100% expert is in very few areas that are related to his job/mission, and for everything else goals should be 80%

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Good point. What is the book

[–]lala_xyyz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The 80/20 Principle

it's not that good of a book imho but the principle is still valid. the actual takeaway imho should be the emphasis on the last 20%, that it takes 80% of effort and is simply not worth it and you're wasting your time unless it's your actual life goal

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Jordan Peterson had a lecture about that 80% rule.

[–]TheGreatConst0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The thing is, the same thing could be said about money. Is it worth it to work 50+ hours per week to earn more, especially if you are already above average in terms of income?

The thing is - life is hollow by default. There is no real meaning in life, only the meaning you give to it. Your financial success and status wouldn't make you happy and neither would women. True satisfaction comes from within. But it is surely better to earn more and to fuck more. As long as it doesn't prevent you from living the kind of life you truly want. The hardest thing is to figure out what kind of life it should be.

[–]1ForeverKarlMalone[S] 8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy

Yeah, I don’t deny it, you hit the nail on the head, I realize I’m only doing this for external validation from society. I’m not really at peace with myself yet and have a long way to go

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don't worry - we all go there. It's because we seek society to validate us as you just said.

My point wasn't to criticize you as much as encourage you that your value is based upon who you are and what you do.

These women are fickle dude. You could get 100 women to like you because your clothes / car / voice / behavior is just right... but that's a worthless relationship and worthless to chase. Those relationships all fizzle out. None of those people will be in your life in 10 years.

At the same time, if you focus on what I'm saying - becoming a great man, becoming great socially (not in a red pill way... in a way that ALL people want to be around you - 80 year old women, 50 year old men, children... in a way that gives to other people and encourages others - being socially valuable), becoming great physically, becoming great financially (not to prove a point to anyone but instead to do the best with what you have), becoming great mentally, becoming great in a circle of men. This is what you want to pursue. But greatness is service. Not service as a slave where you are trying to get things from others - service as a free man who is giving because that's the right thing to do.

There are so much better things to be seeking than thots who post on instagram and sleep with random guys. I hope you see how worthless it is soon because you could wake up in 10 years with a notch count of 300 and nothing to show for it other than TRP fame and a few posts.

[–]inertargongas2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I didn't pick up on this from your post at all. You wanted something, and you found yourself unable to obtain it. Now you can get it, and you know how to do it in a reproducible manner. That's success as far as I'm concerned. I don't see why anyone feels the need to tear into you for not valuing yourself. You accomplished something - you filtered out the noise and figured out what works. And the dude you're replying to acts like there are better women, but AWALT. Good job dude.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I didn't pick up on this from your post at all. You wanted something, and you found yourself unable to obtain it. Now you can get it, and you know how to do it in a reproducible manner. That's success as far as I'm concerned. I don't see why anyone feels the need to tear into you for not valuing yourself. You accomplished something - you filtered out the noise and figured out what works. And the dude you're replying to acts like there are better women, but AWALT. Good job dude.

haha - this is a complete misreading of what I said. I wasn't tearing into him. I am speaking to him as I would a brother I truly cared about or as a son I don't have.

If you understood the point is I said you are MORE valuable than the false sense of success you get from thots wanting to have sex with you. Basically, he found a recipe online and reproduced it in his life to get thots to have sex with him. My point is... so what? What do yo have now. "I feel great about myself". Why? "Because I'm valuable now." NO. you were valuable before. Your value is based upon who you are and what you do - not on thots deciding to have sex with you.

Then I gave examples of how to spend time wisely - which may even be things he was doing before: Improving socially, physically, financially, career, mentally, in his masculinity, etc. These are all positive things that pay dividends for his entire life.

And the dude you're replying to acts like there are better women, but AWALT. Good job dude.

haha - I will answer. I do believe all women have the same nature. I also believe that men shouldn't legally marry because the family courts are disgusting in America and that it gives women too much power. I think all women if put into a power position over men, they will lose attraction and be tempted to use that power - hence I think legal marriage is terrible. However, to think that every woman is promiscuous is wrong. Actually, there are studies that show women who sleep with over 20 partners get divorced much easier than women who only sleep with 0 or 1 partner before marriage. There are women who do only sleep with 1 or 2 men in their entire life. To think that all women are the same as these club thots that post their butts on instagram is absolutely wrong. Not all women sleep with 100 men. So yes, all women have the same nature and all women should not be given power over men because that's not the proper nature of things BUT not all women are whores.

[–]whoareyou310 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Nah fuck that guy. This was a huge success. Sure the end game if to be monk mode like what he’s preaching but what you did was nothing to downplay.

That’s like rich people tell poverty folks that money isnt everything. You cant get to a mentality of understanding money isnt everything when youre living in poverty.

[–]Rock_Granite6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Imagine if all you did was focus on improving your finances, body, mission / purpose and learned a little red pill knowledge (by a little I mean like well under 10 hrs, maybe like the rational male and 1 other book and an occasional YouTube channel - still, well under 10 hrs total time investment).

You would be a better man. Who cares if you get sluts in the club to sleep with you. I don't understand why men measure their success based upon what thots think of them. The 15 girls you got laid with, they've also slept with 50-100 other dudes. Why is this something to be proud of or even seek? Why not seek to become a high value man and have excellent character. Things that have value for years to come rather than something that is worthless.

This is like the billionaire telling me that money doesn't matter. If you don't have any amount of something, you are really going to want it. That's why he wanted to fuck the thots.

[–]whoareyou310 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yep exactly. That guy needs to get off his high horse.

[–]Kizzou[🍰] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Agree wholeheartedly but just like Op many of us have to run through these hoes to understand that we are actually running away from ourselves. I know I went through it in my early twenties

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I should clearly state - I had to do the same thing too in my 20s. It's sad but we are taught from society that our value is built from what hoes think of us. I had to navigate this terrain like the rest of you. I am just trying to write down the reality so that a few people may see the light before having to go down the same path.

Good luck.

[–]Gym5hark1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This comment is godlike I’m saving this shit

[–]gabeangelo1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Yes it is, it doesn't have to end with a perfect 10. It's a successful story in the sense that he finally broke a plateau and found the right track to continue on. That, and the uplifting vibe you get from this. Also, the emphasise on the importance of nice clothes and posture is a great for learning. There are so many lessons here that if you don't find it a successful one (due to your very high standards) it is at least an inspiring one.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

You missed the point of my post.

I don't mention beauty of women once. My standard is to seek value within yourself instead of from women or #'s of women.

[–]gabeangelo3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Dude, we're talking about a guy who was a VIRGIN and having his sex/romantic life so unfulfilled inevitably started to affect him. Speaking of value within when one is seeking love or at least sex, is out of context.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I didn't say he shouldn't seek to have sex or relationships.

I offered a different path of doing it. You can go drink and go to clubs seeking sex with dozens of random strangers - that's one path. My path was to improve yourself and seek sex with women you are in a relationship with that are in your everyday life. I am advocating having sex with women where both the man and woman care about each other rather than random hookups.

Look, I understand this isn't a popular opinion and that 90% of people on the forum won't agree. But I posted it for the 10% that will. But that's life. Often the majority is doing one thing but true success is a different and more narrow path.

[–]Opiated000 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Why are you in a sexual strategy subreddit spewing this autistic shit? Go earn your money and avoid girls.

He is not the same guy. He is beaming with pride and has an improved mindset. Rightfully so, he put in the work. He has freed himself from being a self-loathing, sexually frustrated incel. If you're fucking, then you have less sexual hang-ups and don't need to word-vomit why girls aren't worth fucking.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I didn't say to avoid women - I had sex a handful of times last week. I said avoid sleeping with multiple thots in meaningless relationships.

I guess that's my point though - if I had sex with 50 women or 1, or no sex in a year or tons of sex last week - that doesn't define me as a man. I get it though - when people have not enough success they obsess about things. Like Elon Musk, so much money that a few days ago he stated he would sell all his possession - not even own a hose. To a person who is poor or millionaire or multimillionaire, that sounds crazy. But once people have true success they stop defining themselves by the outside results. That's why a billionaire like Elon Musk could care less about stuff he owns while others are obsessed about having a nice car, nice house, nice clothes, etc.

[–]Frodolinador0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I have read all your comments. They gave me some insights I haven't thought about. I will reread your comments tomorrow. Thanks AltruisticRabies!

[–]1empatheticapathetic0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

What is the purpose of this comment? It provides no value other than shitting on the OP. What are you even trying to tell him?

OP faced a challenge, worked at it and got past it. That will do more for his own self worth and his ability to face future challenges where he has more to gain than simply writing the entire thing off. What are you suggesting he does instead? By your logic he should just kill himself, everything in life is pointless.

We live in a society. We interact with other people in a society. He has a need inside him telling him he wants to fuck a woman. Who are you to tell him that he should ignore that or shouldn't chase it? It's easy once you've 'done it all' to say "focus on money, all that other shit is worthless" but that's because you've done it. You're completely failing to empathise with where this guy is in his life and what beating these struggles means for his self worth.

You're trying to separate his ability to attract a woman and his self worth and they simply aren't as separate as you're pretending they are at this stage in his life.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

The purpose is to show him a better path.

I explained clearly what the better option was. Look, if my comment was so ridiculous then it wouldn’t have so many upvotes. And clearly there are a ton of down voters among the upvotes.

I never said to abstain from sex. I also never said to focus only on money.

I am separating his self-worth and his ability to attract women. That is the first thing you said that accurately depicts my position.

Look, I don’t think it’s worthwhile for us to communicate. You misunderstood 90% of what I said. Just downvote the post and move on. But be clear that many found it valuable including the OP. And even if I only got the word out to 5% and 95% hated what I said, it’s worth it. Because those 5% are the ones I was seeking to communicate with.

[–]1empatheticapathetic-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

The purpose is to show him a better path. I explained clearly what the better option was

Better option for who? Who are you to this guy? Completely subjective. Learn to express ideas in a more open manner. For how successful and woke you are i'm surprised you don't have that skill already...

I never said to abstain from sex

You shame him for trying to attain sexual encounters. You never express any other position than that. So i'll have to assume you're lying to me. Another credibility drop.

The problem is, as i stated, you are pushing your agenda onto him, without empathising with where he is in life and the significance to him of what he's just achieved. We get it, you have a better life than everyone else, you're not tied down to ego (lol) and whatever other foolish things us mortals hold dear.

But your execution of your idea was awful and the fact you made this poorly executed comment at the completely wrong point in this guys journey indicates to us that maybe there is something wrong with you or what you are saying.

The fact you attribute so much to upvotes is another worrying sign.

You don't seem to align with the values of this sub, perhaps you misunderstand them.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Better option for who? Who are you to this guy? Completely subjective. Learn to express ideas in a more open manner. For how successful and woke you are i'm surprised you don't have that skill already...

This is wrong. I defined better as: Invest your time in things that produce value and bring value to you longterm. Don't invest time into things that bring no value and provide no future value for you.

This would be like me saying, eating healthier food - then you saying - healthier for you, who are you to define healthy food.

I gave examples but no clear prescription. The general idea was to invest your time in things that are valuable - sleeping with 50 random thots isn't valuable. Sorry. No one can make a good argument that spending thousands of dollars, thousands of hours and energy / time / creativity on sleeping with 50 random girls who will never see him again nor care about him at all. This is the epitome of wasted time. What I point out is that it is false to think that this journey turns you into a better man. The reality is, you can become a better man on any path.

Look - it's fine if you disagree. You may think, 50 random thots is good, 100 random thots is great, 200 random thots is epic. I understand some people think like this. I'm trying to wake men up to understand this is a foolish path. I didn't say avoid women or avoid sex. I said to not make them your life. I said to not chase after them like this.

The problem is, as i stated, you are pushing your agenda onto him, without empathising with where he is in life and the significance to him of what he's just achieved. We get it, you have a better life than everyone else, you're not tied down to ego (lol) and whatever other foolish things us mortals hold dear.

Wrong. I offered an opinion and a set of ideas. Some people will find it valuable, other people like you will not. That's fine. That's what discourse is. That's how ideas are tested and refined. I empathize with him completely. The thing you all missed is I said his value was INTRINSIC - that it was INDEPENDENT of random thots sexual caprices. This is a powerful idea. It's so much more empathetic than - "Great job banging all those thots! We didn't think you could bang that many random thots! wow". This is ridiculous - and a fool's path - so I'm trying to wake him or others up. Look, I realize 90% of you will think - "Oh this guy is autistic - let's go seek pleasure and sleep with as many random women as we can. If 20 whores is good, then 100 whores is great!" I realize that most young men will think like this. But I'm asking a few rational men to stop and think if there might be a better way.

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You don't seem to align with the values of this sub, perhaps you misunderstand them.

No. I don't. I think the values of the sub will likely recommend getting a notch count of 200. Like if you could sleep with 5 models who are whores, then sleeping with 50 models who are whores is even better.

I would rather tell men to become excellent in their finances / career, in their social life (NOT with women - with humans - 80 year old women, 50 year old, children, teenagers - being socially excellent where people want to be around you and you make them feel good / important), come excellent in your fitness, in your intelligence, in your nutrition, excellent in masculinity and leadership - become an excellent man - and guess what, if you talk to women as an excellent man and learn a little red pill (I defined this as maybe like 1 book or 10 hrs maximum of time) - then you will be MUCH better off than the guy who spends 10 years going to clubs, getting drunk, sleeping with 100 random thots - these things bring NO value to your life or to the world. Also, these men rarely have good long term relationships because they are not high value men. I'm telling men to become high value and not put so much weight into if a woman is a 5 or 6 or an 8 or 9 - women are a side show to the real importance in life - which is becoming an excellent man to provide value to the world.

You get what you focus on. I think men who are wise will read the picture I paint vs your picture and chose what is better. But I would be foolish to think that the majority of this sub would buy into what I'm saying. This is only for high level men - which by definition will be a smaller percentage. It takes sacrifice, hard work, character, discipline, the ability to say no to pleasure seeking activities / instant gratification - this is what masculinity is about - about doing hard things and becoming something valuable and producing valuable things.

So no, I don't expect you to understand. But good luck to the men who do!

I will exit this discussion as I've said my peace.

[–]1empatheticapathetic0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Hilarious stuff. Your black and white thinking, use of ‘subjective’ ideas as ‘objective’ and constant assertion that most of the sub would prefer to mindlessly ‘bang thots’ rather than focus on anything else meaningful tells us all we need to know about you.

Have a nice day anyway.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Lol, submit to his frame like a bitch.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

There's nothing wrong with what you said, but this mental transition requires experience, specifically for those who missed out in their younger years. It's a deep carnal desire to prove genetic worthiness, that you have the ability to do so. You can't dismiss it once it rears its ugly head via screwing with your psyche. Only once you've satisfied that ego need can you de-prioritize sex for good. Downgrade it from ego and self-worth to just pleasure. Best to get it out of the way so you can move on.

Stage 1: Ego repair (stop feeling like a loser)

Stage 2: Ego boost (Validation, thrills)

Stage 3: Self-Assured (de-prioritization, Don't need sex to feel good about yourself)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree with you - in the replies I had mentioned that I had to go through the same issue also. It's not 100% clear to me that you must go through an ego boost phase with validation and thrills. But your point is taken that it is a path forward to being self-assured.

Your point is well taken though - being self-assured / feel intrinsic worth is what I am talking about.

But that is why the discussion exists. I am happy they let the discussion happen - many subreddits will ban any thoughts not similar to their own (even Reddit quarantining). I have begun to dislike reddit because it prevents free discussion with banning and quarantining. It becomes an echo chamber and free speech is silenced.

Good luck

[–]CyJackX0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Yeah, I noticed I saw the post again in the AsianMasculinity subreddit...he's posted it to like 4 subreddits for...validation, I guess.
And he celebrates losing his virginity to a girl so drunk she didn't know where she was.

[–]poortrait100-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This level of intoxication can vitiate consent. This comes off as predatory and a bit rapey.

[–]whoareyou310 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

It’s hard to understand your perspective for someone who’s a 29yo kiss-less virgin. That’s like rich people telling poor people money isnt everything.

To get to the mentality that money isnt everything you first have to overcome the barrier of poverty.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I agree it's hard to understand his perspective.

I also believe that he can build value and become high value. High value socially, financially / career, physically / fitness, grooming / appearance and other activities. Men who are at the highest level they can be in all those areas and have a strong purpose and are masculine, if they ask out women they will find a woman that will go out with them. If he finds a worthwhile woman and is awkward with her sexually or whatever, that's fine - we've all been there at some point. The fact remains he can become high value in all those independent areas without going around and sleeping with random thots and all this stuff.

There's a false idea that you must follow this Warlord path or something. You don't have to. Whatever skills he's acquired socially, fitness, career, grooming, masculinity / leadership / confidence - these are all skills he could acquire without women. I.e. you can become a high value man without ever sleeping with one women. Women don't make men. They don't. Also, if your confidence is built on thots they it will fall on thots also. Women are fickle.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I 1000% agree with you. Extremely well said!!

[–]GameUpBoyHustleHardr9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

I was a 5’5” Asian guy competing with 6’0”+ white guys

Damn son

I got a blazer and chinos from Zara and got an undercut haircut with faded sides along with a gold watch. I didn’t expect anything to happen right away but the difference in girls’ reactions really was noticeable IMMEDIATELY.

Hell yeah bro.

He had me watch episodes of F.R.I.E.N.D.S and we noticed that every character spoke with such vocal variety and inflections that it sounded like they were speaking in color compared to my black and white.

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Well it seems this is proof there is hope for anyone. The voice inflection thing is interesting, id never thought of that. And I guess these few points are worth more than the $3000 you spent.

Now that you've gotten laid, you gunna look for a wifey? If you find a 5%er keep her.

GL king

[–]ChadMini16 points17 points  (4 children) | Copy

How women work

Are you physically attractive? They want to fuck you.

You doing those steps made you more attractive.

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example girl with make up vs no make up.

[–]musclemaniacohyeah4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

It helps, but it is not the only way. There are plenty of ugly guys that are not really rich and still fucking hot bitches.

[–]ChadMini1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

It’s the number one way. Period.

[–]TheGreatConst0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Op didn't become more physically attractive, but still, start to get more girls. It isn't about it. It is about being cool and looking cool. Being dominant and looking dominant.

[–]izzyinjurious3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

When he says you can be ugly and still get all the girls he means, that ugly dude still is trying to look good. He still carries himself with confidence and trying to look best that he can and be the best he can be as a man.

If you don’t give a shit about you, then no one will give a shit about you.

The confidence is what ultimately gets girls tho. I know pretty hideous puas that hit West Hollywood and always bang the hottest chicks. I look ten times better than them, but their confidence trumps mine every time thus them able to get 10s.

[–]slamdunktiger863 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fellow Asian guy here, same age.

It’s hugely a height thing man. It’s unfair but it’s true.

when things open up again though, I’d augment your workouts with Jiu Jitsu.

It’ll just give you a very raw and primal self-confidence once you know you can take down or choke out most people. Plus, why not learn self-defense?

I can also tell you don’t own guns or gold. Time to catch up man.

[–]comcain12 points13 points  (7 children) | Copy

Good post. Thanks for writing this.

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Show us proof, sounds like some guerrilla marketing - waiting for you to release details of the person that helped you, so they can provide us with a course.

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[–]DrEbstein1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Congrats my dude....im in a similar boat. Who was this coach? Mind dm-ing me info on how to find this coach? If not, any coach? I didnt know such a service existed

[–]DouglasPR1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

During pandemic: Do work outs at home, many tutorials on that on line. Improve your cooking skills, chicks dig that you can cook healthy. Dont stop gaming your plates or prospects. Im currently lining up my ducks for when the quarentine is over, so I can be back dating sucessfully as soon the restrictions are lifted.

[–]Besthater1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

good for you dude. I am really happy for you. 1. look like the guy, 2. feel like the guy, 3. be. the. guy.

[–]PhaedrusHunt1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Very good post thanks for sharing.

I always have a lot of sympathy for short Asian guys that are in this situation. Not pity though-- Your story proves that self-pity and pitting another are both counterproductive.

when someone complains that they can't get laid I always point out that Stephen Hawking left his wife for a younger hotter woman when he was in a wheelchair and could only move his goddamned cheek

[–]The-Wizard-of-Oz-1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wow. Well done man.

Though the Handholdless Virgin is new. Let's see if it catches on.

[–]sadhukar1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I wanna know how you met your Asian genie and if I can get in touch with him too?

[–]thedevineruler1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Great read man, congrats. Only question I have is — Big 3 accounting firm? I thought it was Big 4?

[–]jjbrownn101 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You do realise you just admitted to raping that Latina girl?

[–]johnhello0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Can anyone else confirm this? I’ve never had good results from just dressing better; if you want to talk about going to the gym the reason you’ll be getting results would be because your hormones are better... ie higher testosterone... I’ve always come from the looks don’t matter camp, and it’s all about your energy camp... but maybe I’m wrong, anyone got any stories?

[–]1319Skew0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you for sharing. Keep up the good work.

[–]ImplodedVeggies0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Your new goal should be to get that $2997 back in presents and shit through girls, I feel like the accountant in you would enjoy that goal

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

This coach seems to be suattingcasanova, right?!

[–]1ForeverKarlMalone[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

No, John Elite from Vancouver

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

He's the only short Asian PUA coach in existence with verifiable evidence of lays. I really think a lot of men don't understand how much more difficult it is to be in the field as a short Asian. You are literally at the bottom of the totem pole in SMV. The only thing worse is a man who has birth defects or a large permanent physical injury.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Good shit dude. And thanks for the quality content.

I have to look into that voice tone thing you mentioned, sounds interesting.

[–]Endorsed ContributorSKRedPill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lesson : Every element of game has a place and purpose. Your game will never be stronger than its weakest link.

Don't listen to those who shit on others using a tool of their choice. They're usually upset because they haven't learned to use it themselves.

[–]Mytriptorussia20180 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

What Asian? Middle Eastern, Arabic, Hamite, South Asian, (Indian, and lower, black asian, oceanic, asian islander, (Phillipeno, Thai etc,)or just plain old yellow, (American ""Indian"", South East asian, Australian local?). The red pill is dating and banging advice?

[–]rayboomboom0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hey man good luck more power to you

[–]cuztrp0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hey very interesting post, reminds me a lot of a post published here a few months ago titled hard case Asian or smth like this.

And exactly like that post i relate to this a lot. I've also always followed the general advice that looks don't matter and it's all about inner beauty. So naturally I was a fat fuck with a shitty haircut and ugly beard and 'stache. I was also a handholdless kissless virgin by the age of 21, but it all changed after learning about nutrition and cutting 15kgs, getting a haircut I used to regard as the Chad fuckboy asshole haircut, and dressing sharper. It all happened at the same time and the difference in everything was noticeable overnight, exactly when we went back to university with the start of the new semester. Everyone was practically treating me differently and girls gave more IOIs than I have ever experienced before and it induced an air of confidence I've never known it existed before. I got laid a few times then I had a girlfriend, we broke up a year ago, then I had my fair share of laids, and then life happened, and couldn't game anymore cuz I was busy studying and also kinda depressed for my breakup. I read that post about the hard case Asian and it motivated me to talk to girls again and it worked and had a successful trimester spinning 2-3 plates in the same time at some point.

Now quarantine happened and it was such a hit to my game and yesterday I met a fat girl in my student dorm and the conversation was so awkward I can't even.

[–]SpecialSpnk0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's great bro. What I will add to it is to get your frame strong you must have confidence. Start lifting heavy and start going to MMA once the gyms open back up. Once you learn through hard experience that even at your size you can defend yourself adequately it is a huge confidence booster.

[–]kaymaximus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If you read and apply corey wayne’s “how to be a 3% man” all your troubles will go away

[–]whoareyou310 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Nice bro. Very inspiration.

I think I had more confidence when I was under the impression that looks didnt matter like during my college years. Now I think my frame is weaker than before because Im less ignorant about dating dynamics. I really gotta get back into all this soon. Ever since i started my career, my social life has been downhill.

[–]crazycoconut2470 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You give me inspiration man. I only have been with 1 girl and we were in a 4 year relationship. Since I've been getting my 💩 together. Got a new job, I was going to the gym regularly, but I need work on the hair/clothes department. I kind of wish I had girls to help me with that lol.

[–]DubsPackage0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Good writeup.

The thing about Game is that you could learn alot in 6 months that increases your dating, but then learn in the following 2 years that could make your dating WORSE, because you discover some glaring deficiency in your thinking, or your motives, or your internal validation, or you have some kind of personal crisis.

Game is a life-altering JOURNEY, it has peaks and valleys.

In the beginning you learn that if you have X haircut, Y clothing, you will get laid. But eventually you will learn that you could show up looking like a homeless man and still get laid.

The way you present yourself is a tool (some would say, a crutch.)

You wear cool clothes = you feel good = confidence

What if you had that confidence without the clothes?

What if Game is just a microcosm of everything else in life?

That selling yourself to girls is no different than selling shower curtains, or selling tires, or selling arms to liberian warlords.

The newbie salesman needs a suit and a nice haircut to make him feel official and grown-up to make the sale.

The veteran salesman comes in with 3 day old coffee on his breath and still makes the sale.

Everything comes with practice.

You repeat the same process 500 times, a little bit different each time, high voice, low voice, middle voice, with beard, without beard, brooklyn accent, asian accent, nice clothes, crappy clothes, thug clothes, preppy, clean-cut, hippie look, try every angle and you see what works for you.

"But I'm getting rejected!"

You're not getting rejected, your APPROACH is getting rejected, your sales pitch is rejected.

You are the exact same person before and after sales training.

The product is the same product you were selling before and after.

At first you get laid for validation.

After that you get laid for fun.

Eventually you would get laid with very specific goals in mind, to find a partner and build an empire together.

The better your game, the more you can cherry-pick the finest women to become your long-term partner.

And it also helps in life.

For example interviews, any kind of social pursuit, giving speeches, increase your status, make more money, make happier life in every way possible.

Game taught you how to accomplish a goal.

You can apply that to anything.

If you decide to do X, you will do X, there is never any doubts or question if you can do it, only how much time and money it will cost, and whether the juice is worth the squeeze.

Onward and upward king

[–]zino1930 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Here's the golden nuggets:

>it felt like no matter what I said, no girls were even willing to have an actual conversation with me. This is after 100+ approaches so I knew that it wasn’t just bad luck or lack of effort.

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You do not have strong frame, you go and suck energy from interactions. You need the girl, a random girl to pep you up and support you. Girls will do this if they are initially interested only. This may be because of the white guy or fly guy - but that's the breaking point you need to realize

> women would rather fuck an ugly guy with a strong frame than a handsome guy with a weak one”

>outcome independence and have more fun.

Fun guys, guys in places of status, fit guys - all those are hooks that make women come to you, or at least pull down the initial bitch shield, to know if you have more to you than your initial impression. It's not a matter of having all of them, or a special one...I would not get a crew cut even for a chance at Karlie Kross pussy.... But you DO NEED something. You can't be plain pasta and be surpised carbonara gets all the attention. Even if you are the best plain organic fresh pasta in the world.

Also, there's a thing to be said for clubs, there is a clear reason people go to clubs, there;s a certain type, a brainy girl that is looking for a guy to experiment with will do fet life before she would go to a club. A carreer driven woman that just needs a bang - would stalk her highschool crush in hopes of meeting him randomly and getting some nostalgia dick rather than go to a club. You go to a club because that\s traditionally where the peak SMV go, to be picked by women and have them play the pick up game. You are basically competing in yoour local semi-pro league with a disadvantage - any success is a huge win.

Given this - I suggest you increase your social circle. Get smart cool guys to go with and pull groups of women in. If you know game, and don't try ... you will out shoot them in the long run.

[–]FractalNerve0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Best and most honest post here ever!

Summing up, this is what I learnt in general:

  1. Slower and louder tone with more variety (idk, tell us more please!)
  2. Good Haircut (this is subjective, but important, any recommendations?)
  3. Better Clothes and style (price=unimportant, add contrast, use slim. Ideas?)
  4. Gold accessories (fake is good too, just be shiny. Suggestions?)
  5. Streight Posture (better back muscles. What workout?)
  6. Solid Eye contact when approaching (but not like a predator)
  7. Visible Muscles or good Skin (oily cream/suncream helps)
  8. Good Teeth (woman can judge like a slave dealer, sucks for me too)
  9. Good Smell (sweet, woody or spicy? I think sweet and sour/fresh perfume + good deodorant goes ways. Perfume addict here, just ask!)
  10. Dance skills (they impress more than money, I can only imitate.. )
  11. Listen way way more, talk much less 4:1 (engage topics only and listen actively. Here I fail too, but trying)

There sure is more, like frame, being different, or whatever. But I am happy if I get one point in that list only right. Hope you guys do better and leave some for it nerds like me. I think a Blazer/Suit Jacket upgrades most styles btw.

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[–]orangeliquorice0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's more than that though. It's body and verbal language.

[–]Draviz0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

rather than spending 3000$ on a bootcamp it might be an interesting experiment to instead spend it on FaceBook ads promoting an Event only targeting women 20 to 24. youll have to host the Event still but what better position to be in if it works out for that budget already.

[–]Batman_MGTOW0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Or better yet, spend that money on dance classes, public speaking classes, and maybe even language classes, this way you will be able to look cool at the club when you have to dance, you will be comfortable talking with anyone no matter how they look like, and you will gain access to the women who can only speak a language that you didn't know before, so you will have access to much more women, and it can be useful when travelling.

[–]ZlatanAgrees0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Where did you meet the girls?

[–]Dls954050 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

500 approaches before you ever got laid? Simply unbelievable.

[–]pacjax0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

monotone voice is fine if you are a serious person. aka if it fits your vibe and personality (masculine)

[–]Wjourney0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Many girls find it boring but its your life

[–]Azora-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wow you could have just spent all that money on a prostitute and gotten your confidence up that way.

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[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nice story bruh. I am sure I also spent way too much time trying to learn PUA techniques, also considered paying for BS bootcamps, I am glad I did not. When I observe my good looking buddies in social settings, conversations go smooth because the women invest, they just need to smile nod and agree, no need for any advanced techniques. How did you work on your vocals? Did you record yourself or did you do it with the coach? Also, how much did you invest in coaching?

[–]spitfitt-5 points-4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Bro, stop wasting your time.

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