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How long until you look jacked?

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May 6, 2020

As a natural lifter, how long would you have to lift with quality training and diet before actually looking like someone that lifts?

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Title How long until you look jacked?
Author pdatsyuk77
Upvotes 97
Comments 131
Date 06 May 2020 08:06 PM UTC (9 months ago)
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[–]1rad_dynamic286 points287 points  (43 children) | Copy

Lol. Funny. 2 replies and one says 30 days and another 10 fucking years.

1-year people will be able to tell. 2 years it will be "you're the guy who lifts." 3-5 years it will be most likely the thing you are known for socially.

Ofc this depends on diet, talking about if you are consistent with it and arent a retard in the gym.

Just keep at it for a year. I read on here somewhere that you don't ever look bigger, everyone else just looks smaller.

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[–]WonderfulPipe23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fucking this man. I remember seeing some scenes of guys without shirts on movies and thinking "damn this guy is jacked" and seeing it now like "wtf this guy was small"

[–]LegendarySuperSalsa16 points17 points  (8 children) | Copy

You know this is very true when I think about it this way. I’ve been weight training seriously for about 1 year now and while I’m not the leanest fittest guy I certainly have sexier arms than most guys I know to the point I look at other guys who clearly don’t weight train and think ‘damn those puny arms would be snapped like a toothpick by my treetrunk arms’. Some people are lucky and at this point might be well chiseled but I figure I have at least another year to go until I can feel confident taking my shirt off at the beach and show off what I’ve got. It’ll probably be 2 years until I’m at the 12-15% bodyfat I’d ideally like to be at but I try not to think so much about that but rather how far I’ve come already and how hard I’ve worked to get here.

[–]JasonStar792 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

2 years to get to 15% body fat? Holy shit.

[–]LegendarySuperSalsa2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy

Counting the one year it took me to drop about 8%. Keeping that average estimate from where I am now at about 21% I’d say thats a generous estimate.

[–]i-am-the-prize2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

the "second" 8% drop will be harder. just fyi, don't get discouraged, just keep trucking. you got this.

ref: guy who went from 45% to 14% in under 3 years. my goal is 10% without losing muscle, so I'm on a slight cut while lifting 5-6 days a week and each % is tougher to lose than the previous one. all good, it's about the process and GDamn it feels good to see and experience gainz.

[–]LegendarySuperSalsa0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Yup exactly thanks for the tips and encouragement thats where I kept failing in past attempts the stubborn risidual fat that wouldn’t come off in the end would discourage me so I’d give up because I wanted immediate results while putting in minimal work and I was dealing with minor depression but now my mindset is much better. This time I’m staying hard set on the goal thanks to people here and people IRL. I feel better than I ever have in my life before at 225lbs and 21% bodyfat down from near 280lbs and 30% bodyfat. Goal is to keep a healthy 190-210lbs range and a 12-15% bodyfat. At some point I am prepared to get a personal trainer to assist me towards the end if it seems I’ve hit a snag so I don’t get discouraged again because this is the last time I’m ever going to lose weight because from this point forward I’m going to take care of myself and eat better. I’ve got muscle underneath now I just gotta get it to show!

Edit: love that username

[–]i-am-the-prize1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

I feel better than I ever have in my life before at 225lbs and 21% bodyfat down from near 280lbs and 30% bodyfat. Goal is to keep a healthy 190-210lbs range and a 12-15% bodyfat

that's good stuff. how tall are you?

[–]LegendarySuperSalsa1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

6 feet even the last time I checked. 27 years btw I used to hold that average weight of 225 since hs but i was more fat than muscle instead of a healthier ratio now as my old high school pants I use for yard work and miscellaneous household tasks are loose and the jeans I’ve wore for a few years are now practically2 sizes too small and i went from using the first two belt notches on my belt to the 10th notch so I’ll also need a new belt as well. I’ve never been below a 40 inch waist since I was in grade school so that makes me feel I’ve accomplished more success than ever before.

[–]i-am-the-prize1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Nice. I know what you mean. I finally bought a belt-hole-punch to try and salvage my nicer leather belts.... all new belts for me in the end. feelsgoodman.jpg

[–]dm2225 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

What about looks? Does everyone else get uglier if you improve your looks and u look the same to you?

[–]i-am-the-prize1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

most do get uglier over time, both men and women

  • tired/shit posture
  • fatter/flabbier
  • less muscle mass
  • bags under eyes
  • facial and hand wrinkles (more a negative on women)
  • hair loss
  • you get shorter, yes, you fucking shrink as you age

the good news, if you:

  • stand tall, shoulders back, core/abs tight - you won't be like the rest
  • stay lean - you won't look like the rest
  • build and keep muscle - you won't look like the rest
  • get good sleep and eat clean - you won't look like the rest
  • about hairloss and height, well, you can shave it and wear lifts or NGAF - you do you.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

As someone who went from about a 4 growing up to an 8 now, yes your standards change dramatically

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Like thinking Brad Pitt fight club or Russel Crowe gladiator were big

[–]send_it_for_the_boys0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It is true in your own perspective. I can tell I have definition and am fit but lately people have really noticed my gains that I don’t seem to realize

[–]bestsparkyalive24 points25 points  (6 children) | Copy

Yes the 3 year mark is definitely where you’re known as the lifter in your social circles. Honestly I feel bad for so many people because they don’t have the discipline to reach this level of freedom. It’s such a great level to be at.

[–]walt_sobchak6914 points15 points  (4 children) | Copy

Perfect combo of disparate words that most guys never connect. Discipline & Freedom. You are only truly free when you are Self-Disciplined. Else, you will need someone to tell you what do. Self-Disciplined people hate being told what to do. Un-Disciplined people, the masses, love it.

[–]EnoughDforThree4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

Interesting point - although you can see this have the opposite effect especially in those particularly dedicated to fitness. If your self discipline prevents you from enjoying outings with alcohol or "bad" food, stops you from making other activities due to your commitment to training, is it hindering or freeing?

I'm not really making a point, more of a point for discussion. At what point does Self-discipline impede your freedom? It's incredibly difficult to manage self-discipline to always be a net positive.

[–]bestsparkyalive2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Of course these concepts exist on a spectrum and have lines that cross and turn positive to negative at certain points. But like life itself those things are fluid and ever changing as we grow through time. Just my 2 cents.

[–]EnoughDforThree1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Thats true that it's ever changing - the same level of fitness discipline at 22 may not be enough to get the same, or even positive results at 32. Good point

[–]thesoloronin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is why it’s important to get bank sorted before you hit 30-31. As that’s when men’s SMV is coming up at its peak. You can’t afford to be bound to a job if you desire the same level of fitness physique, social game, and the time freedom to do the other fun things that complements and/or further boosts your game.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

When you’re that level it truly is freedom. Before lifting And TRP I thought I had to do so much to be worthy of a woman - stressful job, big paycheck, bending over for her needs, etc

When you’re in shape and fit the world is your oyster

[–]Guarnerre199518 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes I agree with this. You can accelerate this process by having a very strict diet, so let those muscles shine.

Also depends on the person. Ive seen some gifted dudes get jacked with training 3 times a week.

Some train 2 times a fucking day and are skinny (do have muscle mind you) as fuck

Hope this makes a bit sense.

[–]Greek-God-Brody1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That only if you have zero serious injuries during all this time, any kind of shoulder / elbow / spine injuries can hold you down big time. Avoiding injuries is crucial.

[–]wtfdoiaskfor11 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

With steroids:

  • 1 year: you're bigger than almost everybody you know
  • 2 years: gym bros woo at your pecs
  • 3-5 years: you're so muscular, you only need to go out and breathe to have girls fighting for you

[–]1rad_dynamic0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

All achievable without steroids if you are strict porn and fap. Only fapping before you go on a date. Shit gets me manic as fuck and mega IDGAF attitude.

[–]wtfdoiaskfor11 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Meh, steroids speed it up. I understand they are not for everyone but if you know what you're doing, they can speed shit up. And it'd be dumb to take the inefficient route for the sake of it.

[–]WENDYSTHO0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Don’t want small wee-wee

[–]wtfdoiaskfor10 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

If you spent more time researching about AAS instead of looking up stupid shit on urbandictionary, you'd realize steroids don't make your dick smaller.

By injecting testosterone, your balls stop producing their own because now you have plenty from outside (so they figure, why work?). So they shrink.

When you stop, they go back to their normal size. And if you want to keep them big sized during a cycle, you can do so using HCG (which I highly recommend anyway).

Quit your misinformation bullshit

[–]JaydXThomas1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dude, this is spot on. I've been training naturally for 6 years and the time line you proposed is almost precisely how it was for me.

In my first year, people could tell I lifted but I looked average, not much muscle but you could tell I lifted. Second year, I got bigger, big enough to fill all my clothes and look 'big', but not impressive due to my fat gain. Fast forward to today and I'm the 'guy with the muscles', and I look more impressive than the majority of the people in my social circle, and it's the same pretty much most places I go to. I'm still not 'jacked as shit', in fact, I'm not big at all, but I'm lean and I'm carrying some muscle.

OP, like this guy said, if you're not eating and training like a piece of shit, you will stand out after 3-5 years of natural lifting.

[–]Yaking72[🍰] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

What about age? Like if you are over 30 are the results the same?

[–]muricanwerewolf13 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

As far as you or anyone else will be able to tell. Like yeah you’d progress faster and farther if you were 20 but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t do it.

[–]1rad_dynamic8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Bruh I'm not a fucking fortune teller. Try it and tell me when people start noticing.

[–]Treyby1111 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well of course your hormones arent as good as they wouldve been a decade ago, but you should still just work out anyway, even if results are a little worse than they wouldve been.

[–]shvmir0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

don't ever look bigger, everyone else just looks smaller.

very true

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That last line is definitely true. You don’t feel bigger, but I remember growing up a bean pole and being weaker or intimidated by basically any guy.

Now it’s jarring if I meet a guy bigger than me. Not saying it doesn’t happen, but if I do that guy also regularly works out and likely has for years

[–]thrwy754790 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ofc this depends on diet, talking about if you are consistent with it and arent a retard in the gym.

It also heavily depends on where you're starting from.

If you're a lard-ass that's 400 lbs overweight, it'll take far longer than someone that's slightly skinny fat.

[–]1DullIntroduction106 points107 points  (7 children) | Copy

The day you started lifting is the day you became forever small.

[–]PachoHerrera030 points31 points  (1 child) | Copy

Facts LOL no matter how big you get, you never will look at yourself and say “yeah, I’m jacked enough”

[–]RanaMahal5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

idk i think i’m pretty satisfied. i’m not like massively huge but i never wanted to be. and i’m 6’2 with a huge frame to begin with so i just needed to add on some muscle and boom i’m good to go

[–]theoverlordactual8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy

I have a problem, I can still fit through doorways.

[–]RedditCantGetMyEmail1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I‘d rather overtrain than undergain

[–]theoverlordactual1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This guy gets the reference.

[–]send_it_for_the_boys0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I never can after back day.......”invisible lat syndrome”

[–]Greek-God-Brody-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Limiting belief.

[–]0ggles25 points26 points  (0 children) | Copy

You get most of your gains in the first year if you are consistent. Then you bulk diet to put on more muscle mass. Then you diet down to get the rip/tone look as in the fitness covers, a body fat ratio less than 10%. Generally, it takes someone between 2 to 3 years depending on age and starting weight.

[–]tonysoprano638 points39 points  (1 child) | Copy

It depends. Don't think about it and just work your hardest. Physiques aren't built in weeks.

[–]bayfarm6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly. My opinion is everyone's body is different and has different goals to. I think a lot of people get caught up in the looks part and rely on that for their self-confidence. The problem is people get big but it doesn't fix whatever mental issues they had. Don't worry about looking like someone that lifts otherwise you'll never be satisfied. Focus on the journey. But to answer your question if you lift a couple times a week you'll see results in a few months.

[–]sasakuowo13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you don’t workout at all and you start rn, as long as you’re training properly (progressive overload) and have your diet in check (slight deficit if overweight, slight surplus if skinny) it’ll take around three months for people to say things like “you started working out??”.

But it’ll just be that, as another user said after about a year of training people will really take notice. After 2 years you’ll be known for being a weightlifter. Good luck bro!

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (10 children) | Copy

Doesn't matter how long it takes. Staying jacked is the real challenge.

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[–]TheTastelessBatman12 points13 points  (5 children) | Copy

You both are right. It's easier to maintain physically but mentally it can be hard as gains plateau and there is no goal to work on.

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[–]TheTastelessBatman2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Me neither. My nibba Greg Doucette opened up my eyes. Dude's videos are the best pre-workouts.

[–]ReaperX442 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Ah zeeeeeroooooo!! 😂😂😂

[–]TheTastelessBatman2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

"I'm not a doctor. I don't know anything about anything. 😂 😂 😂 If you don't want to build muscle, go watch Jeff Nippard's videos."

I have been eating popcorn and French toasts and now I'm so swole, my muscles have muscles.

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[–]ek19950 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Fuck, yeah, lol. Changed it, thanks for the heads up.

[–]LukeVTruth21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy

In two years of good lifting and dieting, you'll be 80% of the way towards a peak natty physique. The other 20% will take another 5 years after that.

[–]FudgingEgo8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Depends on what your starting point is, I went from 135lb to around 170/175lb in less than a year, probably around 9-10 months. I didn't have abs or definition but people could tell I worked out.

For example I went from 5 reps 20kg deadlift to 2 reps 170kg deadlift.

[–]GraphiteIsInPencils10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

It depends where you start. I can tell you no matter where you start it definitely wont be a matter of months.

Let's just say you're an average weight maybe a little chubby. Probably a year of hard training to look like you lift, to look good. Add another year to have girls stare you down at the beach.

Again this is assuming you have a strict diet and exercise regimen. Dont listen to those "30 push ups a day" challenge or those excersies they tell you to do during commercial breaks. Yes its better than nothing but you wont really look any different from them.

Dont try to get a summer bod 3 months before summer. It's not going to happen. It pisses me off that people even think they can get a summer body a month before summer.

[–]redgr81222 points23 points  (4 children) | Copy

Not going full athlete mode about 6 months going 3-4 times a week about an hour a time. My advice have fun don't make it a job. Do just you like for the first month or so then build your workout routine. Your not gonna be The Rock be realistic.

[–]PlusTenStrength11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not with that attitude

[–]bigmacked41 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

How do you have fun with it? Its always felt like a chore for me regardless of whether I'm doing lifts I like or not.

[–]WhatRemainsAfter2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

If gym ever becomes a job, I am done with it.

Add music, Get those muscles on fire and you're having time of your life.

[–]redgr8121 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Making the gym fun. 1. Go to every area of the gym (get comfortable being there) 2. Learn how the machines work (just ask gym bros love showing off how much they know) 3. THE KEY- start with exercises you like (you like bench but hate squats then bench don't do squats) it's not about avoiding what you like it's building confidence being there in the gym

[–]buddhone5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

You have to make training a habit in your life. You will end up liking it and how long it will take won't matter.

[–]giantfireplace10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Bench 225 with abs and you look like you lift. Bench 275 with abs and you look jacked. Bench 315 with abs and you become a meathead to people

[–]alltherain214 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Two years

[–]_ernesto54 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

As they say, it's a marathon not a sprint

[–]MityMax965 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think it depends on your starting point. Your genetics But I would say 3+ years minimum Staying on point with diet. Building muscle is key Getting body fat percentage low

[–]L0nerizm16 points17 points  (3 children) | Copy

6 months-1 year

[–]Jacked5parrow3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

That’s newbie gains and those vary too much

[–]adicille2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

You can for sure look like you lift in the space of 6-12 months.

[–]kollegah13374 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yep, I do.

[–]popsickkle3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you stick to a half decent routine and diet, you’ll get comments about a year in

[–]__TheDon__3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

3-5 years depending on diet, training regiment, and of course genetics.

[–]RivenHalf2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

It's 80% genetics 20% what you actually do. A dude with good genes can start lifting and put in a year and look better than someone going for 5 years. Don't use that as an excuse though, Go put the work in, when the results come they come.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lol I got some black friends who admittedly will lift, play some basketball, and diet consists of lucky charms that get bigger quicker compared to me doing all the macro and healthy eating Bs

[–]RivenHalf0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Just how it is, yeah. Some people can eat McDonald, play call of duty all day and then do some push ups once a week and look jacked as fuck. Some people can put in all the work and still never look as good as the other person. Genes are a huge factor but there's nothing you can do about it short of juicing so it is what it is.

[–]impotentludius6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy

i think the fastest way you will look good and like you lift is to get to a LOW BODY FAT. im talking about 6-10% area, when you get to that even if you have 14 inch arms you will look pretty amazing especially when you have your shirt off.

so my estimate would be if we take the average male(6 feet 180 pounds 17-18%bf) would take him a year to get to a 170 pounds 8%bf very lean physique.

obviously you will not be jacked, but you will be the guy who looks pretty fit with his shirt on and guy with the impressive physique when you take off the shirt. (and having a chiseled face/sharp jawline from the low bf is a very big bonus too)

after that to get jacked you could do a lean bulk and go on like that.

so my advice would be to look like you lift and look good in general, maintain a low body fat level.

[–]seekingagym0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

lol that transition is more like 3 years at least. Everyone on the internet is sub 10% bf and then when the few who are ballsy enough to post pics do so, they realize they aren't even sub 15%. The main reason I mostly left this sub is that vast majority of everyone here is all talk and no one posts even a physique pic to back up their point

[–]impotentludius0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

well thats no reason to leave the sub, its not a bodybuilding sub anyways.

[–]seekingagym0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

yeah but if you look DYEL to even normal people all that time you spent so far in the gym didn't really make you more attractive.

[–]paint-the-world-red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It took me a solid year. Granted, I dedicated myself to strict diet and was already committed to a daily bodyweight workout I’d cooked up.

[–]128bitworm1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Depends on how much effort you put into it, and your process.

[–]Richard_strokerr1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

To really get nice and jacked u need hard work + good genetics, or hard work + steroids

[–]KilluminatiGotti21 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Depends on diet, genetics, exercise selection, recovery, posture/mobility. There are world record powerlifters that don’t even look jacked.

[–]LLL3peat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Depends where you start/what your goals are. Too broad of a question.

[–]beardestbird0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think 6 months if you train properly and depending on where you start. If youre a skinny guy or a fat guy it could wane differently.

[–]Big_Homie_Mozi0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Focus on the journey not the destination u fool

[–]MrAnderzon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You can not out train a bad diet. Your hard work in the gym can become useless without an tuned diet. Yes it also depends on your genetics.

Let’s face it if you had those freak genetics you wouldn’t be reading this. Hard work wins overall regardless of genetics. It just might take you longer but you’ll get their with hard work.

[–]Krebota0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The thing about this is that it isn't the same for anyone. People always believe in a magical formula but it's simply a fact that people have less muscle mass with the same strength. I know people that started lifting and got buffed in 6 months, I know people that are finally getting a really good form after 5 years. I know people that don't get some supersized muscle form at all (which is funny because people always underestimate them).

I've had pointless discussions with people about how it all simply boils down to how much you eat vs how much calories you burn and how much is used for muscle gain whereas, in reality, this is different for anyone. It's just like how for 2 people with equivalent behavior and diet, 1 can be fat (or chubby I guess), and 1 can be skinny as fuck. Personally, I'm that skinny guy. That doesn't take away that no matter how well you will be able to notice, you should always start lifting because it will always benefit you. But there is really nobody that can give you a number, you will really have to figure that out for yourself. Lift for 6 months and keep track of your progress in the mirror. You will start noticing; even the skinny fuck that I am started noticing a difference, even though there barely was any.

[–]WolfofAllStreetz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ive been lifting for 12 years, took a good 5 before i looked big but Im 36 now and i dont recover like I use to. TRT helps.

[–]kenbu0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

They teach this in many sports coaching accreditation training.

The optimal time to gain strength and size is during the year of an athlete's peak growth spurt rate when you're juiced up with natural steroids and growth hormones.

[–]CareIsMight0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

After every workout I feel jacked, haha. It depends on your progress and what you consider to be "jacked". If you are starting from scratch then you'll probably see good progress a few months in, that's how I felt and I was noticeably bigger and my friends and co-workers would comment on my body. I wasn't by no means "jacked" but I had done enough progress for others to notice a difference and that was a good step in the right direction. I don't see myself being jacked in at least 1-2 or more of consistent bodybuilding, but that's not my goal as I do a lot of running and have to train for other sports that don't require big muscles.

[–]Jessor690 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

2 years minimum, 1 year you have a foundational frame but 2 years is when you see the most results

[–]tommybahama666660 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

4 yrs hard lifting

[–]when_its_too_late0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Over a year that's a fact.

Starting from scratch, I only saw noticeable results about 6 months in. A year and a half and "you look good".

[–]boy_named_su0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I started out 50 lb overweight. And not too strong, though I had lifted years before

After 6 months of dedicated effort, injuries to every joint, I hit the thousand pound club, and a girl saw me naked and said I had great muscle tone

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It depends on the effort and discipline you put into it I would say on average 1-2 years (depending where you are starting ) if you lifted in highschool and you've still got some muscle leftover and you've just put on 30 lbs and you dieted and exercised super hardcore mabye 6 months.
But from a fresh newby to a greek god with proper nutrition and discipline 2 years to be Jacked but you can look good in less than a year.
That being said if you are starting out a 300 lb man or a 110 lb man you're gonna have to work a lil harder and be more consistent to get there.

[–]Wrote 1230 words about This One Girltakka10130 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

To look like you lift about 1.5- 2 years

But to have more of a impressive body then more 5-6 years .

Remember you have to be lean enough for your muscles to show , you can train 8 years and be at a high bodyfat percentage and a guy thats trained for 3 years will look better if his super lean because his muscles will be showing and you will look no better then just a normal fat guy even tho underneath you havr built a impressive about of muscle .

[–]kraken99110 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

From a self perspective you will never feel like you look as good as you think you should if you're coming from a background of being fat/obese.

I worked my ass for 7+ years. I surfed, biked, ran canyons, ran track, lifted, and did body weight exercises. I never felt like I looked jacked even though I was in very good shape. Always felt like there could be more.

Then I let myself go again and when I look at pictures of myself I realized "damn I actually did look good".

Currently rebooting again to get back to fitness levels but I'm 38 now so I have a feeling my level of fitness expectations need to be managed.

[–]bannana80 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hop on roids and 3 months. Lol jk. Not really but yea. All these people giving you estimates really have no idea. It comes down to genetics and how much you optimize your lifestyle to grown. You could have shitty genetics and barely grow. You could also have insane genetics and look fucking awesome earlier than most people. But looking at it like lifting is an end goal is just a way to failure. Most people lift their entire lifetime, get jacked and still dont think they're big or strong enough. Lifting is not a means to an end. It is an end in of itself

[–]Greek-God-Brody0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

For the average guy, 2 years of continuous lifting, no injuries or break periods, to look like you lift.

[–]Moyzcom0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You can lift for 20 years but if you dont take care of your nutrition you wont do a thing

[–]fungusbanana0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

depends on so many things, can be anywhere from 3 months to X years

[–]SpiderAlpha330 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If you're not on juice then good 4 years of consistent training.

[–]Iluvalmonds830 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If you’re the average 20ish American guy who’s between 25-35+% body fat(everyone underestimates how fat they really are), and have a good working knowledge of how calories and macros work plus consistently following a decent strength / resistance training routine that uses Heavy weights, you’ll see changes within the first 6 months - year.

“Jacked” is subjective. You talking about professional athlete, bodybuilder or fitness /underwear model jacked? Closer to 5-10 years, with PED’s. Doing it Natty you will not obtain the same level of muscle mass obviously, but that shouldn’t be everyone’s goal anyway. If you’re talking about gains that people will notice? Probably after 2+plus years.

Another thing is a lot of people make nutrition mistakes during this journey that will cause hiccups along the way. like thinking they need to eat 5000 calories a day when they’re already a fat ass or needing 400 grams of protein in shakes and bars.

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1-2 years of serious hard work

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Jacked is relative. In terms of girls feeling me up, random non lifters saying I look jacked, people saying I look athletic, etc. I got there in 1-2 years of regular lifting and diet.

Compared to online people in other communities? Not even close lol. Once I got to around a 1,000 pound total (squat, deadlift, bench) and 12-13% body fat I was in a sweet spot.

Can only bench 230 pounds but get compared to Superman in terms of build pretty frequently by strangers

[–]AuberyBitoni0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

2 years

[–]Ukhupa0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

From personal experience, you can start seeing changes in yourself after the first six months to a year after you start lifting and eating properly. But you'll have to find out what works for yourself. I do better with brief, full body, high intensity, and low volume sessions of no more than an hour but I had to go through everything else in order to find out.

[–]emd96291 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Honestly like a decade

[–]IRA_INK4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Shouldnt take anywhere near 10 years. If it does then you're doing something wrong.

[–]LukeVTruth0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If your goal is to reach a true peak natural physique a lot of natural bodybuilders will say it takes about ten years to reach a true peak natural physique. Honestly though like I said in a previous comment with good training and diet you can be 80% of the way there in 2 years.

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It depends on your body type. Are you skinny, fit, overweight.

Assuming you are already kind of fit with an average frame, and know what you're doing you absolutely can get jacked in 3 months with intensive training and strict diet

Full Chad body with HD abs may require more like 6 months

[–]Street_rat2426-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

A lot of the "look" of being jacked/shredded just comes from being a low bodyfat % and genetics (insertions, small waist, broad shoulders, etc) unfortunately. Don't think about the end goal of lifting, just think about doing it consistently and properly and I promise you, unless you have the worst possible genetics and diet in the world, you will see the most gains you'll ever experience in your life in the first year of effective training.

[–]omega_dawg93-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

check your myostatin levels.

that will determine how fast you gain.

[–]Numero34-1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy

With respect to body fat, you would* need to run somewhere between 400-500 miles to burn 10 pounds of fat. This is a very conservative estimate as you'll see. To be jacked I'm gonna ball park as someone being between 8-12% body fat, so figure that out with respect to a target weight.

I wrote this up regarding weight (fat) loss:

I would suggest doing it as fasted cardio first thing in the morning.

The idea is based on respiratory exchange ratio, respiratory quotient, and exercise calculator for a 200 pound man. Basically running at a 5 mph pace burns an estimated 728 calories in one hour. From the RER/RQ you can assume that you're burning a mixed fuel source. If you're not working too hard you'll be using more fat for fuel, so I've turned this assumption into burning half, see Maffetone link, specifically this. Then it's basic math, 728/2 = 364 calories from fat per workout. The "do it for a year" part is if you have to lose 30 pounds of fat. 1 pound of fat is about 4086 calories, times 30 = 122580.

122580 calories/364 calories = ~336 sessions, or about ~110 sessions for every 10 pounds of fat you'd like to lose.

Anyway, hope that makes sense. You could be more accurate with a heart rate monitor and punching in your own data to get estimates for calories burned. You could also look up estimated calories burned for other exercises that you like to do and simply mix it up, e.g. rowing one day, running another day, maybe a combatives session if you care for martial arts.

I do think the fasted part is important with respect to maximizing fat loss which I interpreted from your wanting to be more toned.

*edit for the fucking retard below that actually thought I was suggesting that the only way you could lose fat was from exactly what I wrote.

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[–]Numero34-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy

Refute it or shut up.

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[–]Numero340 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

You can lose 10 pounds of body fat without ever running or doing any form of cardio. What you should have said is "If you want to lose 10 pounds of body fat, you need to be in a caloric deficit of fx 500 calories a day for 10 weeks, which would result in a weight loss of 10 pounds.

That's nowhere near enough. 10 weeks it 70 days. 70 x 500 = 35000 kcal deficit.

The problem is that you're assuming that deficit is entirely coming from fat, which as you mentioned it won't be, so I have no idea how you think your math even makes sense with what you're suggesting.

Hence the rationale to go based on RQ as Maffetone had figured out and which you obviously didn't bother reading. Do you even know what RQ is? My guess is that you didn't read anything I wrote and immediately scoffed at what my suggestion was. Read it again more closely and you'll see the rationale for using RQ as a guide. Your metabolism is mixed, hence why you should assume that half the energy you're utilizing is coming from fat stores. This is perfectly valid given that as you increase exercise intensity the RQ moves away from fat and towards carbohydrate.

You can lose 10 pounds of body fat without ever running or doing any form of cardio.

I used running 5 mph because I set the RQ as 0.85 (half fat/half carb for energy). So yes while you don't need to run to lose fat, it was simply the method I employed based on the circumstances I was proposing. If someone were to choose a lower intensity method such as treadmill walking then the RQ would be lower and they would greater utilize fat for energy. Your statement is pointless. I never suggested that you couldn't change your body composition in other ways. You seem to be inclined to reading things (when you bother at all) quite literally and without context.

Regarding your studies on fasted vs. non-fasted. Okay, I can accept that it's inconclusive but empirically there does seem to be something to fasted morning cardio as the norm when it comes to minimizing lean mass loss and maximizing fat loss. The reasons for this is intuitive. It's low intensity and doesn't create the same recovery deficit that actually running does.

Your meta-analysis didn't just look at fat loss, it looked at weight loss as well which is what's it's primary conclusions are based on as only two of the studies even measured fat loss before and after. See table 2. One of the studies saw almost double the fat loss in the fasted group with respect to change in body fat percentage after 4 weeks of fasted vs. non-fasted morning cardio, 1.4% vs. 0.7% on average. The other found no noticeable difference after 6 weeks. This doesn't support either of our cases. Did you only read the title or abstract and not actually look at the contents of this publication?My guess is that you didn't read that meta-analysis very closely, if at all, and simply went with it because it's the same one mentioned in that T-nation article. If this is what you did then you are extremely lazy.

Here's an article from there on fasted morning cardio with a protocol that is worth following.

There are no studies that definitively prove that fasted cardio makes a difference in long term fat loss.

That's exactly what Schoenfeld's study from the meta-analysis that you cited showed. 1.4% from fasted vs. 0.7% non-fasted cardio on average. No it isn't conclusive, but it sure supports what I'm suggesting better than what you are.

Collectively based on all the statements you've made in this discussion my guess is that you simply reacted emotionally to what I wrote, looked up the quickest links that supported your gut reaction, and then didn't bother reading them before thinking they support your assertions.

How can you even say such bullshit?

You seem to be the only one that spouted bullshit in this conversation. You didn't read what I wrote and you clearly didn't read what the sources that you cited.

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[–]Numero340 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Then your math doesn't even make sense. How does burning 35000 calories result in 10 lbs of fat lost if it's not all coming from fat? Never mind that 10 lbs of fat is more than 35000 calories.

You clearly don't know the meaning of the word "need".

OMG, I didn't write can instead of need so your little brain narrowed it's focus to the point of not taking in any other information or thinking in context, or thinking at all. You're being pedantic while ignoring all of the bullshit that you wrote down. Should I start nitpicking your words that you don't need to have high protein diet to offset the lean muscle losses? You understand that that very need you're creating is based on the type and intensity of exercuse you're doing, right? So if someone were doing low intensity fasted treadmill walking they wouldn't need a high protein diet necessarily, would they? Do you have some RCTs that support that you need a high protein diet for this?

I'll try and dumb down my language for you in the future.

Why no comment on the shortcomings of your citations?

If you actually care about this discussion, go back and read what I initially wrote and then you should understand the rationale for the things I mentioned.

[–]SpicyYeetJuice-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

When I was in hs I weighed 130 soaking wet at 5'10 and I hit the gym in the biggest grind of my life over a summer came back 160+. I looked like I ate the old me. I worked out 2-3 times a day for 3 months and did 56 days straight my friends were saying i lost my mind. Oddly the only thing I ate was Super Mass gainer 3 times a day (which is now a shit sup). This is a true story, people like to put limits on results because 30 pounds in three months is no near practical. But anything can be done with enough dedication.

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I mean I was jacked 6 years ago in highschool . 220 lb 6ft 1 165 lb lean body mass . If I just went on a 3 month hardcore diet exercise kick I'd be a ripped 190 why don't I do it? .cause I'm married and I dont have to.

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