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[–]penelopekittyFDS STRATEGY COACH141 points142 points143 points 5 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
In case some people don't know Rachel Moran is a formerly prostituted woman. Notice that she calls it prostitution, not sex work. Why don't people listen to formerly prostituted women?
[–]fulltwistinglayoutFDS Newbie65 points66 points67 points 5 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
I just had a poor experience in a facebook group where we make fun of pickmes. Turns out most of them are still kinkmeishas and they didn’t even pretend to be sorry when I and other women who have been abused by porn and/or trafficked called out how wrong it is. They were actually very condescending and smug. Telling me I’M the anti feminist for being radfem. I got into it with one of them and it was really upsetting. I had to suggest that victims not argue with them and to just block.
[–]blacklikeyourheartFDS Newbie24 points25 points26 points 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Her book Paid For is fantastically written, and a harrowing read. Strongly recommended.
[–]wineandtreesFDS Newbie37 points38 points39 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Went to goodreads to check out her book just now. First negative review had this gem:
“ She talks about "depravity" and puts down kinky johns. Well if they could tell their wives about their harmless quirks maybe they wouldn't need to see a prostitute?” “NEED” a prostitute? Can they not see how ridiculous this is? A man just neeeeds his kink entertained or he’s basically being abused.🙄😤 It’s sad so many people think this way.
Well now it’s going on my reading list.
[–]Charming-Bee-2337FDS Newbie19 points20 points21 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
A man who sees a prostitute and makes her do his fucked up kink is a disgusting man and she should divorce him anyway. Hes basically suggesting men need to either force their wives to do their kink and if they dont theyll threaten to go see a prostitute and make her do it.
[–]wineandtreesFDS Newbie12 points13 points14 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yup, to them it’s the wife's fault for not wanting to be degraded, and a prostitutes duty to be degraded.
[–]kwallioFDS Newbie13 points14 points15 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Honestly, I blame Dan Savage for this BS.
[–]wineandtreesFDS Newbie7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Oh god, I used to read his column in highschool and thought I needed to be GGG for a future partner or else I would be seen as a prude. I had no other influences that told me anything else was acceptable.
[–]kwallioFDS Newbie6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
He's incredibly misogynistic.
[–]unbelyevableFDS Newbie5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks for the recommendation! The Kindle edition is currently $3 right now.
[–]Kylie_FanFDS Newbie1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks for recommending it, sounds like a must-read!
[–]discoveringlibertyFDS Newbie2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes, I'm imagining all the libfems reading this and automatically going 'ew a radfem, you should be listening to sex workers instead!11!', which is what they commonly do to shut down discussion and/or criticism of the prostitution industry.
Sorry guys, but Moran is exactly who you should be listening to if you're gonna take your own advice. That old chestnut isn't applicable here.
[–]_differentmentality_FDS Newbie309 points310 points311 points 5 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
A man who is okay with using prostitutes is a man who has no issue having sex with someone who doesn’t want to have sex with him. To him “consent” is simply the permission to use another person’s body to fulfill his sexual desires, which is why it can be bought. Prostitution is nothing but the commodification (and as a result the objectification) of the female body for sexual use at its most extreme.
[–]NerfboardFDS Newbie84 points85 points86 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Consent is supposed to be three things:
• enthusiastic,
• revocable at any time, and
• freely given.
Its very basis is antithetical to prostitution. If a woman wouldn’t willingly and enthusiastically sleep with you without direct payment for it, money isn’t changing her desire - just her implicitly contractual right to say no or back out.
[–]sleepykittnFDS Newbie4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly, revocable. This is the issue with rape culture, men using regret isnt rape as an excuse or that women cant say no after saying yes, anyone can change their mind about anything. Otherwise its being forced and in no situation is controlling someone acceptable.
[–]GoddessIxtabFDS Newbie118 points119 points120 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
They literally buy themselves a rape, that is what it is. The happy prostitute is a myth.
[–]_differentmentality_FDS Newbie84 points85 points86 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I cannot comprehend how a person can have sex with someone who they know does not want to have sex with them. It seems so rapey to me, I could never do it. At that point it’s just assisted masturbation using the person’s body as a sex toy.
[–]GoddessIxtabFDS Newbie62 points63 points64 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I can't fathom how mens sexuality can be so far removed from their intelligence and empathy. It's scary as hell.
[–]Charming-Bee-2337FDS Newbie24 points25 points26 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
They dont have empathy in the first place.
[–]miasmicivyphsycFDS Newbie264 points265 points266 points 5 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
What gets me angry is when first world country, white liberal feminist think that their sex workers, or the few sex workers that manage to make bank on porn hub, that too after putting up with abuse and sexual assault and possible STDs, is the same as the poor person of color women from my third-floor country who will be raped and possibly murdered in her lifetime for doing sex work.
I remember there was an article from vice, the same publication that accused the sub Reddit of being a shit hole even though the publication has plenty of sexual assault allegations against it, Talking about how sex tourism isn’t just for straight white men, but for queer people too!
I almost threw up in my mouth. The idea of queer privileged foreigners (because I’ve noticed that white liberals will do anything to avoid their privilege, and this is coming from a gay person) coming to my third world country to rape women and also claim they’re a protected class is DISGUSTING!
Not all sex work is created equal! The woman recording herself in the comfort of her only fans is NOT the same as the woman who is one of 12 children, living on a poverty wage, walking twelve kilometers for water, who hasn’t even HEARD of birth control!
Even Onlyfans isn’t that safe considering how employers can trace you back to the scam site! I believe that sex workers and women should be protected, but we need to stop protecting that the pimp sites like porn hub and other bullshit sites are safe. They are predatory and dangerous and sex work is not a fun easy gig.
[–]atreegrowsinbrixtonFDS Newbie109 points110 points111 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
And people can screenshot your OF and post it elsewhere and screw you out of any money
[–]imarriedmybookshelfFDS Newbie14 points15 points16 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is what i was trying to explain to someone i know. Apart from only a select super duper few make bank on OF, what if someone steals your pics and posts it somewhere else?!? Now your nudes are everywhere for FREE thus defeating the purpose of your OF journey.
[–]Reporter_ComplexFDS Newbie22 points23 points24 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is what drives me as well.
The sex positive movement, is only sex positive to first world women.
The rest of the world, where you can still be stoned to death for sleeping with someone, doesn't count - but theyre not ready for that conversation yet.
[–]soleiroliasFDS Newbie49 points50 points51 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
it’s such a narrow world view, like you said. it’s really a shame so many western/liberal feminists don’t understand the world doesn’t revolve around america. thanks for sharing 💕
[–]-badmadAMFDS Apprentice28 points29 points30 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
"Fun" fact: The term sex- worker also includes pimps or porn- producers and the like. These "sex- workers" have a big lobby, they are controlling the narrative.
[–]jargon_explosionFDS Newbie6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is an important point that does not get mentioned enough. All the profiteering "sex workers" are the pimps and producers, not the women working at the bottom of the hierarchy.
[–]discoveringlibertyFDS Newbie6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is why the Nordic Model is the only one people should be advocating for. It de-criminalises prostitution but prosecutes the pimps, johns, buyers. It is the only model that protects women while holding men accountable. Check out Nordic Model Now.
[–]PicklepromisesFDS Newbie23 points24 points25 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This!! So much this!! The number of women in my country who are kidnapped and sold into prostitution every year! And not just women, young girls too!! I shudder to think of how much worse the situation would be if there were no laws against prostitution.
[–]doc-2-beFDS Newbie9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
THIS!!! I wish more people understood this!
[–]imarriedmybookshelfFDS Newbie2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They also want to make sex work legal for the 3rd world women not knowing that these women in poverty would NOT CHOOSE sex work if they had access to better education and employment. They think that by making it more acceptable they would be removing the shame and stigma from the women without a choice but those women dont even want to be there in the first place! they dont want the shame, the stigma, and the sex work.
[–]Ok-Butterfly2156FDS Newbie80 points81 points82 points 5 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
I wish this could be printed out poster size and posted at every high school. I used to lurk on a sub with mostly very young women who thought themselves ugly, unlovable and convinced that only 'Stacy' is treated with humanity.
That's partially true but their solution? Was to get an Only Fans the minute they were 18. It was really disturbing to read how many of them thought OF was some sort of ticket to a better life.
Edit: to the idiot who messaged me that one of her friends totally made Only Fans work and saved her from a terrible life! Sooooo like, prostitution is okay! Please read every single comment here and then slap yourself.
[–]VelvettcumFDS Newbie78 points79 points80 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I can’t believe people support buying women and call themselves feminists it only furthers the narrative that women are objects. Historically prostitution was made so men can continue their infidelity not because of women’s sxual empowerment. You know what’s *real sexual empowerment? When both people are being sxually satisfied instead of focusing on only one partners pleasure. How is prostitution sxual empowerment if you’re not even enjoying it?
[–]_differentmentality_FDS Newbie35 points36 points37 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What are you talking about, of course prostitution is empowering! For men that is. You get to rent a female body to use sexually whenever you want.
[–]fulltwistinglayoutFDS Newbie73 points74 points75 points 5 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
I finally googled this gross niche porn star that I’ve known about forever (my friends and i used to show each other her videos like in the same way we all reacted to 2 girls 1 cup lmao) and found an interview with her. She was asked about prostitution and she said she was all for it especially since it’s the only way some men can get laid so imagine what they’d be like if they didn’t have an outlet for their sexual aggression. Like prostitutes don’t already get murdered regularly.
It is not our job to fix men.
[–]Charming-Bee-2337FDS Newbie25 points26 points27 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
She was asked about prostitution and she said she was all for it especially since it’s the only way some men can get laid so imagine what they’d be like if they didn’t have an outlet for their sexual aggression.
Then why arent men legally considered animals? If theyll rape/murder if they dont get laid why arent they all being locked up then? Such a stupid excuse and I have no idea how you can still like men after thinking they need to rape prostitutes for money so they dont go killing and raping other women.
[–]ello-mottoFDS Apprentice3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's funny how dogs get put down once they harm a human being, yet nothing for men who want to harm women? Lmao.
If a dog did to a woman what a man does to her during BDSM, there would be a national campaign saying that dog shouldn't legally be available for domestication. 😐
[–]jasmine-blossomFDS Newbie38 points39 points40 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Rachel Moran is amazing. Every time I’ve read her or heard her speak she impressed me with her eloquence and resilience.
[–]TululahJayneFDS Newbie1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Would love to see her on the FDS podcast in the future!
[–]sybildbFDS Newbie59 points60 points61 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Consent doesn’t exist in prostitution.
IDK why it’s so hard for people to understand. The financial element of prostitution works as a force or a coercion against the woman to have sex. That is not a consensual act!
Sex without enthusiastic, informed consent is rape, no if’s and buts about it.
[–]_differentmentality_FDS Newbie37 points38 points39 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Buying consent from a woman is like buying a confession from a suspect, it loses its purpose.
[–]w00kieeFDS Newbie2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This needs to be said a LOT more.
[–]relationship_redditFDS Newbie51 points52 points53 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Prostitution isn't just a personal choice either. It affects all women. How many women are pressured into sex because a man paid for their dinner on a date? How many women and girls are solicited for nudes or videos online? Prostitution teaches men that all women are for sale for the right price.
[–]_differentmentality_FDS Newbie29 points30 points31 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
it’s staggering just how willing men are to trade anything for sex. They really don’t care about whether the woman they’re having sex with wants to have sex with them (they only care about that when her sexual performance is affected by it), it’s all about securing pussy one way or the other.
[–]ro0ibos2FDS Newbie16 points17 points18 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nevermind that many prostitutes are actually victims of sex trafficking.
[–]PicklepromisesFDS Newbie26 points27 points28 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What the libfem movement fails to understand is that the title of “sex work” is only for the privileged few. For most women across the world (women in poor countries, women of colour), selling their bodies for money is a product of poverty, desperation, a way to put food on the table. And 9 out of ten times, women end up in Prostitution due to being trafficked or tricked into sexual slavery. This is due to the shame and taboo associated with sexual violence and assault. These women are forced into these positions via fear, shame, intimidation, violence. So no “sex work” is not work. It’s exploitation just like child labour was exploitation.
[–]SoybeanApocalypseFDS Newbie23 points24 points25 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Maybe in an absolutely perfect world where women always have a decent option apart from porn (not 'homeless shelter' option) there would be a small amount of women who actively get off on the dynamic of being paid for sex. In that case it seems like there would be enthusiastic consent that is freely given. Thing is we don't live in that world, the overwhelming amount of sex workers and prostitutes are doing it out of necessity, and the men soliciting these services as a whole do not give a rat's ass about anything beyond "she said yes". Even if there are signs of coercion and trafficking most just get on with it. It's fundamentally broken and will probably never be fair to women as the demand will ALWAYS be higher than women will freely consent to.
[–]jasmine-blossomFDS Newbie14 points15 points16 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
These “willing” women would never exist in great enough numbers to satisfy the demand, so there will always be an influx of unwilling women to fill the gaps. Additionally, the existence of prostitution itself perpetuates the ideology that women and our bodies are things to be bought, and that ideology cannot coexist with the very crucial concept of consent.
[–]ChickaDeeD33FDS Newbie2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Very well put. 🏅
[–]Lazy-Tax3986Throwaway Account1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
To the defenders of sex work - it is primarily used for the function of making men ejaculate. How can the shred of "positives" that come out of sex work be WORTH the abuse, the objectification, the rape, the trafficking, and murder of women of the majority of the cases? How can ALLLLL of that be worth it for the one male physiological function of male ejaculation? It's just sad that an entire dangerous institution exists and persists for that one male physiological function.
[–]Worldly_SellFDS Newbie5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
In theory, I have no issue with people buying sex from a willing person. In reality, Ive just started reading article upon article of people being trafficked and coerced. Even more disturbing is people selling their underage children to perverted adults.
I read an article a few months back about European women traveling to Jamaica for “sex tourism” and some of the male prostitutes were interviewed. They admitted they hated having sex with women 3 or 4 times their age and performing degrading acts but they needed the money. The women, just like scrotes tried to justify it was an even exchange and denied they were taking advantage of people because they “cared” about the men 🤦🏽♀️.
In conclusion, the world is a cold place with some decent people sprinkled in it.
[–]DoeEyes42FDS Newbie10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Are they really wiling or are they dealing with alot of pain and trauma and view themselves so low that they hurt their body and soul
[–]jasmine-blossomFDS Newbie7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I don’t see why we should legitimize buying the use of a persons body by claiming it’s a job or a business. People who want to make money from their bodies can just sugar baby themselves.
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