What do you ladies think?

Rayne2522 · 2021-03-05T17:28:15+00:00

I can't remember what country it was but in the 1970s every single female in that country did no work for one day. They didn't go to school to teach the children, daycares didn't open, fathers had to feed and dress their children. Fathers couldn't go to work because they had nowhere to take the children and no one to watch them. The whole country stopped, and women were finally paid equally. I would love to see something like that happen in the United States.

Myplummms · 2021-03-05T15:48:32+00:00

Men want women to work for free - it's a tale as old as time

OrangeyPanda · 2021-03-05T15:24:44+00:00

Completely true. In anti-work dubreddits I always hear people say "back in the day someone was doing all the cooking, cleaning, chores and child-rearing. We don't have that anymore so now life is unfair and there is no free time". Hmm it's almost like those women wanted to escape their own work prison where they weren't even PAID, had no breaks, no retirement and their "boss" could leave them homeless and penniless at any moment. It wasn't fair back then and it isn't now either. Not until UBI exists.

NoneOfYourBusinessPS · 2021-03-05T15:17:06+00:00

Absolutely true, 100%.

Men want CONTROL over women. That's their ultimate goal. I've said it before, if men were the ones to be pregnant, there would be "abortion booths" in every corner and the morning after pills would be free and given as candy.

The governments of the world (male dominated obviously), could have easily made vasectomies obligatory for men, you know, like they have laws that make abortion illegal? Same thing, other perspective. Make vasectomies obligatory and their reversal free of charge and no one would get pregnant unwillingly and no woman would have abortions. Easy, right? Instead of implementing a law with this simple procedure for men, which takes a few weeks of recovery time and would solve almost ALL problems, they instead make laws for WOMEN'S bodies yet again. Because men's bodies and their bodily autonomy should be respected, while women's should not. It's ALWAYS women, never men.

Imagine the OUTRAGE from men if obligatory vasectomies were even suggested.

advice1988 · 2021-03-05T14:57:35+00:00

Why do you think the governments talk about the birthrate ? Because it depends on it to increase the countries GDP and resource the future workers and consumers by encouraging narratives that include women having children as soon as possible and facilitating it via the gender wage gap, that then allows society to equate a woman’s worth with her reproductive organs & the yield because if you can’t beat or be equal to them (being equal to a man lacks ambition imo) you have to make them.

It’s all connected.

immortallogic · 2021-03-05T18:17:39+00:00

100%

We have forgotten marriage was invented by and for men.

When women stop marrying men there will be a backlash.

Lazy-Design1979 · 2021-03-05T15:35:38+00:00

As long as the 1% has the 99% to exploit for labour and resources, it will. If the population of the 99% starts to shrink significantly though, it causes a problem for the 1%. I think the low birth rates in western countries are an unintended byproduct of the push to get more women into the workforce in the 70s & 80s to help drive down wages and the value of labour. Problem is, nobody accounted for the fact that if women could have their own bank accounts, housing, and jobs, then they'd no longer be dependent on men for those things and consequentially, less likely to have the time or energy to have children. Because wages have been pushed so low, a household needs 2+ incomes to do what it previously could with 1, so fewer children are being born. The choice is either pay people a living wage and provide maternity benefits or force women to have children they don't want. Society seems to be trying to do the latter.

Only_Lime2520 · 2021-03-05T15:07:21+00:00

I agree and I would also add that EVEN for childless women they also depend on us for: our emotional labor, our ability to empathize, care, resolve conflicts, connect resources, our ability to keep the customer service attitude and “make nice” , be it in the context of a relationship or an organization. We have been blindly complying to perform femininity at zero cost to them.

bombay_girl · 2021-03-05T14:14:25+00:00

If your business model depends on another human being exploited, it’s not a good business model. Period.

GabbaG0ul · 2021-03-05T15:41:17+00:00

100% It was never about religion or right to life. It’s all the bottom line. Women make children, become single mothers, and stay poor. The children are raised with little opportunity. Then are willing to work in a factory with low pay or join the military. The capitalist machine keeps going. Nothing to see here folks.

2y-omonkeyonafarm · 2021-03-05T17:25:27+00:00

So in theory, celibacy and abstinence would be the perfect solution, right?? Wrong! We must satisfy men’s peepees! We literally can’t win

InterviewImaginary46 · 2021-03-05T15:05:32+00:00

Yeah doing the unpaid labor is fine for me if it is not in addition to a full time job. But men these days don’t earn enough money so women now need to be double exploited by taking on 2 jobs. Even the curse of Eve is just childbirth, now we have to take on Adam’s curse too? Not happening.

Alpha_Aries · 2021-03-05T15:23:44+00:00

This is actually very close to core radfem ideology: oppression based on sex.

moonartemis1989 · 2021-03-06T01:54:04+00:00

I had a very similar thought to this Twitter post after seeing a recent news clip on how "experts" are worried about the declining birth rate in the U.S.

They wrongly predicted that lock-downs caused by the pandemic would create a "baby boom", but the opposite has been happening. The experts on the news clip were concerned that the declining birth rate would negatively impact the economy, and there will be a lack of people to care for the elderly.

I honestly found the whole thing sickening because it proves to me, yet again, that many people in society look at women as baby incubators, which disgusts me 😑

I also don't know why these so-called experts are surprised that most women of "childbearing age" are opting to delay or even forgo motherhood altogether when we are in the midst of a global pandemic, many people are struggling financially, and most women risk damaging their careers if they have a child. Additionally, society expects women to not only be mothers, but to work full-time while still being responsible for the majority of the domestic responsibilities! It's literal insanity!

I have no interest in being a mule for society. I refuse to carry all of these burdens that society is continually trying to place on the backs of women.

I am living my life on my terms. ✌️

Stuffnthings1840 · 2021-03-05T19:29:37+00:00

If republicans really cared about kids we would have done had hikes in minimum wage, healthcare, education reforms, and no kids in cages. All this pearl clutching about abortion is just to keep poor women in line and stuck clinging to their shit husbands/partners.

ThrowRAanonymouspick · 2021-03-05T15:20:38+00:00

Seems like we were born into a business model and our compliance keeps it going.. oh we not my prob I'm not the government. Everyone who doesn't want kids should get sterilized soon! There is a childfree doctor list on the subreddit

honeybeeroll · 2021-03-05T20:57:02+00:00

This is true no matter what economic system you have. When the Soviet Union was born, society didn't achieve true gender equality overnight. It never did and Russia is still a bad place for women (worse than America for ex). When I was studying stuff about post ww2 Russia, this one piece I read mentioned how women still did all domestic labor, childcare, plus many people had farm animals which the woman took care of. The USSR had Women's Day, and this essay noted the irony of how a man would invite his friends over to celebrate women's day, and the wife had to wait on them all hand and foot, simply because she was a women and they were men. I know Lenin and his wife Nadezhda Krupskaya were very dedicated to the liberation of women from domestic work, and wanted to set up communal kitchens and daycare, but I don't think it ever really took off. I think if Lenin had lived longer they may have been able to set this foundation.

Somebody - 99% of the time a woman - is doing the "invisible" work of domestic labor and childcare, so someone else - 99% of the time a man - can go to work and achieve intellectual pursuits because he doesn't have to think about these things. Sofia Tolstoy and her vile piece of shit husband are the epitome of this imo. Except these days many women are expected to do all this and hold a full time job too.

Thankfully these days women in many countries can say no to this arrangement. We can support ourselves, we don't have to rely on marriage for our livelihood and be stuck with a vile piece of shit for decades, like poor Sofia Tolstoy. We can achieve financial independence and therefore be free to choose a partner that respects us.

EDIT: Also want to add the typical family unit of just parents and kids isn't how any of us were ever meant to live I think. We're supposed to have other family around to help us take care of children so we don't have to trust them to strangers at daycare. I don't think I want kids but if I had them, I absolutely would not trust them to daycare, and I know many others feel that way. Universal daycare, or jobs offering daycare, would help for those comfortable with it. But I think we need to stop thinking of the family unit as just the parents and kids - this needs to be tied to a support system of trusted relatives who either live w/ you or very close. Because the reality is two people can't take care of kids all on their own. When that set up happens, too many burdens fall on mom rather than dad.

TheFinalGirl_21 · 2021-03-05T17:47:19+00:00

BOOM! I’m not creating more people to be consumed by the machine. Healthcare? Unaffordable. Childcare? Unaffordable. Public education? Inadequate. Higher education? Unaffordable.

Tell us again why we should make more American babies?

entpgirl415 · 2021-03-05T15:27:29+00:00

Yes yes and 1000x yes. Wow I never made this connection before finding FDS. God I love this page ❤️❤️

moonartemis1989 · 2021-03-05T18:55:31+00:00

It’s also why patriarchs whine about a rapists career being over. Men being punished for their sex crimes leaves a big hole in the capitalists pocket. Especially since about 90% of rapists aren’t convicted.

BananaSlugGhost · 2021-03-05T17:22:41+00:00

Checks out.

This is why abstinence is taught in school: because it fails and produces teen pregnancies which equals cheap laborers or soldiers.

AntinatalistChick · 2021-03-05T20:30:51+00:00

Finally scrotes start realizing that the survival and existence of the whole human species is at our mercy.

It astonishes me how all children bear father's name and surname as if his LV sperm means more than women birthing and caring all these years for their kids....

Honestly_th0 · 2021-03-05T15:59:26+00:00

Capitalism depends on the oppression of most people. That’s all part of it, but it also works to create competition to survive amongst the majority of workers. It creates “they took our jobs” type of attitudes instead of “the system was made to keep people struggling and poor in different ways.” I pity the men that are turned into morally-bankrupted zombies by porn because they’re unlikely to ever experience the good in life, but it’s an objectively more comfortable way to live than as expected laborers and mothers without guaranteed control over our own bodies. Unfortunately, it also means that the burden to improve is heaped on us as the class with an obvious view of what’s broken, so we have to translate fear and oppression to people who are raised as a stunted-yet-privileged class to get them to catch on that women were never their oppressors.

Our fights will never be as urgent to anyone else. It’s part of why women need to run for elected office as much as possible. Things won’t change otherwise.

panicpixiememegirl · 2021-03-05T20:37:36+00:00

Absolutely. This is why it pisses me off when childfree people in the childfree groups I'm in dont recognize that child rearing and housework should be paid labor.

Fitncurly · 2021-03-05T17:36:07+00:00

Yup, the societal machine needs more workers and taxpayers, and those at the top will not risk losing their money—even if it means forcing women to be broodmares. They don’t care, as the women of the 1% will never be forced into such positions.

GingerRabbits · 2021-03-05T17:43:45+00:00

Completely true.

Our economic system is an intergenerational pyramid scheme that requires ever increasing layers of wage slaves to fill out the new bottom rung and work themselves to death trying to move up a level or two.

That can't work forever even if they do manage to keep most woman as broodmares because the planet itself is reaching it's biological limits. One way or another the pyramid is going to collapse. Don't manufacture more cannon fodder for the system, don't sell your body/labour to a system that's fundamentally designed for exploitation.

w0rmsongs · 2021-03-05T18:35:02+00:00

This makes me eternally grateful for receiving sterilization surgery with nothing but acceptance and zero pushback or comments. It's horrifying to think that's an exceptional experience, though.

Our fucking bodies.

blacklikeyourheart · 2021-03-05T19:17:41+00:00

I urge everyone to read Caliban and the Witch by Silvia Federici. It explores the transition from feudalism to capitalism and talks of the devaluing and control of women’s reproductive labour, porn/prostitution as an opiate for the male masses, and the functions of the witch burnings. IMO it should be required reading.

CroneRaisedMaiden · 2021-03-05T19:39:47+00:00

Communism is a farce of “equality” for women. The marxist feminists do have a few good theories but I’m far from convinced that the “means of production” can mean anything different for women. Don’t forget that women are seen as those means of production in both neoliberal and marxist societies. —source: economics minor, declared

popsthrowsup · 2021-03-05T18:25:46+00:00

Not sure if anyone follows Bernie Sanders.

But he recently tweeted in favor of raising the minimum wage.

highlighting that 59% of tip employees are woman, and that they then are sexually harassed routinely at work!

Imagine how many of those women are single mothers?

They have to pay crazy amounts of money for childcare (some of which isn’t even all week just 3days a week). All because they need to work a job that could only guarante 2.30/hr, where they’re then sexually harassed.

Only to still be struggling to put a roof over their head and feed their child

DallasOMalley · 2021-03-05T17:16:01+00:00

Wow. I've never thought of it like this before, but completely agree! Thank you for sharing this.

Interesting_Day1188 · 2021-03-06T04:16:25+00:00

Have you ladies also heard that the current oldest generation 60+ are the ones who started the anti-old people movement back in the 60's? It was in a documentary I was watching the other day, I have to try to find it. It's now ironic because they're wondering why there's no one to take care of them, when they started the practice in the first place.

They made the world that we have today where people can barely take care of themselves, let alone a family. How are the younger generations supposed to take care of their aging parents, kids, and then themselves?

Our world is so messed up.

XxShykatxX · 2021-03-06T19:16:03+00:00

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/magazine-34602822

Here is the link to the 1975 "Women's day off" movement that shook all of Iceland. An interesting and inspiring read. Shout out to @Rayne2522 for bringing this piece of history to my attention.

t3ddi · 2021-03-06T19:28:56+00:00

This is why what I like to call the "unmothers" are ostracized so hard.

Partypuppers · 2021-03-07T13:55:19+00:00

I work for a Fortune 100 company and I realised that most of its historic profits are based on the fact that it's (mainly male) employees were only able to do their 60-90 hour a week jobs because they had wives to do the emotional labour at home. Think about that - billions in profits made for one single company off of the back of women's unpaid labour at home.

It blew my mind when I had this epiphany 🤯

Women's work is so valuable and capitalism requires that women don't realise this.

ironglaciers · 2021-03-06T03:24:13+00:00

This is spot-on. Yes. I don't have a lot to add that hasn't already been mentioned here.

thehappiestelephant · 2021-03-05T15:11:04+00:00

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the-worst- · 2021-03-05T14:48:02+00:00

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sekhmetwisdom · 2021-03-06T04:35:29+00:00

Yes yes all of this and I add that they want us to continue birthing future military

MsBingoBronson · 2021-03-06T23:10:14+00:00

Sounds right.

Title	What do you ladies think?
Author	Theboredshrimp
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Date	March 5, 2021 2:09 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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