Both men and women face some inherently unfair standards of attractiveness.

2021-04-22T09:39:56+00:00

Except men are significantly more affected by those standards. Being below average in height or balding at a young age significantly reduces your dating pool as a man. Having below average sized breasts will have a negligible effect however (let alone nonsense like leg proportions).

There are no women out there that can't get a boyfriend because they have 26AA tits or whatever, but plenty of men that can't get any pussy because they're 5'4.

0112358f · 2021-04-22T12:03:36+00:00

Breast size and height have petty negligible perceived impact on women's attractiveness. Survey agree survey shows "medium" sized breasts as most popular with roughly equal and substantial numbers of men preferring small and large. Similarly most men's height preference in women seems to be primarily "shorter than me" with men again somewhat divided in preferring shorter versus taller.

Weight for men matters, though the argument it matters less than for women is true. Height for men and facial standards for both stand out as the big "can't change" features.

I think a lot of men are also complaining because while women seem to think all men want a skinny and thick woman this isn't actually true (and is particularly not true for wealthier men). Being fairly slim is what most men want in women. Men are in a different scenario - women judge them less on their body, but the standard to have a "good" body is much harder to obtain requiring simultaneous significant (not body builder but athletic level) muscle while also having low body fat. That's a relatively unnatural combination.

Kaisha001 · 2021-04-22T10:38:41+00:00

There's a TON of top 9/10 and 10/10 girls out there with small (A's or B's) tits. Most models that aren't freaks of nature or sporting implants are A's or B's.

For women the one thing that really matters is facial structure/beauty. The rest is negotiable.

Carkudo · 2021-04-22T10:00:53+00:00

but they're still not seen as attractive just because men are attracted to them

Need I even say anything?

Illustrious_Wish_383 · 2021-04-22T09:23:41+00:00

Dick size for men also

Platinirism · 2021-04-22T12:33:02+00:00

Facial features

Barely matter, give me a healthy weight girl with a meh face and I’ll show you 100’s of equally unattractive men who’ll line up to date her at a drop of a heartbeat.

Size of tits

ABSOLUTELY DO NOT MATTER IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM. There are tons of men that actually prefer small tits. /r/tinytits doesn’t have 670,000 subscribers for nothing.

Height proportions

Unless your girl is in the extreme ends like 6’2 or 4’5, most men don’t care too much about height.

Sure, both men and women have the same unchangeable traits. But they effect men much much more.

Fact: Less than 20% of all women in the USA DO NOT want to date a man 5’5 or smaller, regardless of any other trait he has.
80% of all women disregarding an entire man because he’s 2 inches smaller than the average height of men.

A 4’11 women? Hardly effects her dating life.

JimBeamAndCoke2016 · 2021-04-22T09:25:03+00:00

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icedhumblepie · 2021-04-22T09:51:30+00:00

Here's a list of things I can think oft that can't be changed

Get thee to /r/theglowup and /r/looksmaxxing !

DaBlockObama · 2021-04-22T10:25:04+00:00

You are saying that most women can attract a romantic partner... but the problem is that they are not “seen” as attractive?

That’s not a real problem. It’s literally an imaginary problem, because it is only “seen” in people’s minds.

Imagine a millionaire who wears rags and begs for change all day. He is “seen” as poor. But the truth is that he can afford a home and some food. So it’s bullshit for him to say that him and actual homeless people both face a difficult life. The rich man’s life is in fact not difficult. People just “see” him as homeless. But he has a home.

It doesn’t matter if you “see” a woman as unattractive, if she can easily attract people then she is attractive, whether you “see” it or not has no bearing on the reality.

bowserfire73 · 2021-04-22T12:31:54+00:00

Men are into a wider variety of features than women though. You can find a guy into every trait imaginable, but women's tastes are usually very similar.

RepresentativeSwan1 · 2021-04-22T08:50:33+00:00

They both aim for people better than themselves, thus "unfair" standards exist.

The only difference is women are more likely to ignore their physical standards for men with subjectively interesting personalities, while men disregard their physical standards out of sexual frustration.

Right_Palpitation_56 · 2021-04-22T09:32:19+00:00

Of course you’re right, but this sub is filled with incels:trp men who will argue that awalt/it’s biology for men or some other crap.

But I agree you can’t change the most important features that make you attractive/unattractive the best both genders can do is focus on other aspects of their life.

And men here love to bitch about women’s weight when we know men are actually fatter then women in most western countries (like mine) and being a fat man is less attractive CIA no one wants titties/ass on a guy.

_lemazaki · 2021-04-22T11:14:31+00:00

Here's a list of things I can think of off the top of my hat that women can't change though:

Facial features. ( 4 is enough for most men )
Size of their tits without being fat, basically. (reduction surgery. small is not a problem for most)
Height and proportions. Can't grow your legs any longer either. (most men don´t care)
Skin diseases etc. (ok)

Same for men:

Facial features. ( idk... social apps studies says 7 or above )
Height. (some women care and there is a line)
Genetic issues, such as receding hairline. (ok)
Skin diseases etc. (ok)

For regular dudes most problem is weight and some problem in life, for some men having a children for a previews relationships. Usually they are the sellers

Regular girls tend to have for requirements naturally. Usually they are the buyers.

renfsu · 2021-04-22T10:55:25+00:00

I do believe that if every man and every woman did their absolute best in terms of being attractive, it'd be more equal. The issue is the difference in effort needed. "Women are born, men are made" you ever heard of that statement? Every woman has been born but a far smaller proportion of men are made.

Pilling_it · 2021-04-22T09:00:00+00:00

The standards for men are pretty much one kind of guy. Unlike women, I'd argue this haven't changed because marketing haven't been able to delude them other body types are attractive to women and cashing on it. I'm not a woman, but even I know how much clothes for overweight people are that much expensive (fucking hell some of these bras).

Standards, at their core, exist because you cannot attain them, so companies can cash on them. I'm not feeling bad for not having the body of Brad pitt in wolverine when I know the dude got through about 36 hours of fasting so he can look like that. And I just have to explain this to people for them to get it.

Women can build some good ass though since it's more than just fat, which I'm suspicious that's why it's preferred to big boobs nowadays, because the women who have them tend to be fat/overweight.

Overall, I'd say women are much more able to make a change if they work toward it, but they're also much more sensitive to marketing and buying on impulse. Your points are pretty good though.

Jakes1967 · 2021-04-22T12:45:29+00:00

Both men and women face some inherently unfair standards of attractiveness.

Bull.

How many fat guys (except the wealthy) are with models/good looking women?

How many fat women are with thin/fit guys?

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abcdxyzx · 2021-04-22T18:18:37+00:00

Facial features can be covered up with makeup, which is 100% socially acceptable
Size of their tits can be covered up with a push up bra or shaping bra, again 100% societally acceptable
height and proportions are irrelevant to a woman because a man has NEVER given a fuck about height and if they do she’s some 4’9 bitch trying to ruin some 6’5 dudes genetics. A woman’s height and size do not effect how feminine she is, 6’ tall woman are supermodels as well as short woman.
skin diseases can be covered up by makeup, which is again 100% societally acceptable

Now, let’s look at men :)

facial features can’t be changed, you are stuck with them from birth. Shitty jawline? Too bad, fuck you. Shit cheekbones? No contour for you bro
height cannot be changed, but the majority of your masculinity will still be based on it. If you are found out to be wearing lifts you are ostracized
receding hairlines cannot be covered up with a toupee as again, it is not socially acceptable despite weaves being acceptable for woman.
skin diseases cannot be covered up without makeup

This results in a 4/10 female maybe being able to stretch to a 7 or 8 for a date by using makeup and not feel like shit about herself. She gets an ego lift from having someone be interested in her

The 4/10 male just gets told “be confident” as his suicidal ideation get closer and closer every day

2021-04-22T19:15:00+00:00

Then why do eating disorders disproportionately affect women?

ItWasAlwaysOver · 2021-04-22T21:15:29+00:00

women jut have higher standards in general

JimBeamAndCoke2016 · 2021-04-23T02:28:09+00:00

With all these comments about height, does the modern woman go on a date with a tape measure in her bag, just to make sure he is 5'10, and not 5'9 or lower?

LMM-GT02 · 2021-04-23T15:03:35+00:00

I wake up and my dick is harder than the life of a western woman will ever be.

Mondholm · 2021-04-22T09:13:55+00:00

Wait a second, a receding hairline is a sign of attractiveness in men. Look at Cesar. It's like having big tits for women.

Aldabruzzo · 2021-04-22T15:11:54+00:00

It's not really "unfair" that these are standards. What's "unfair" about it is that some men and women are objectively more physically attractive than others. What's "unfair" about it is that some men and women have immutable physical characteristics that disadvantage them, and others do not. But, this is part of "life ain't fair". Men and women have to play the hands they're dealt.

Some men are short. Some have busted faces. Some go prematurely bald. That's life. It is totally fair that some women or a lot of women reject short men, or ugly men, or bald men.

Some women have busted faces, poorly proportioned bodies, or genetic issues. And, well, some women are just ugly. Some women are just overweight or obese. Some women have genetic issues that make them unattractive. It is totally fair that some men reject ugly women, fat women, or women with undesirable genetic characteristics. That's life.

It is totally fair that men and women evaluate each other on these characteristics. Even if it weren't totally fair, men and women would still do it. Men and women do this whether they know it or not, whether anyone else knows it, and whether they say so or not.

SonicBackScratcher · 2021-04-22T13:20:19+00:00

This is not a change my view post unless I'm going to change your view that life isn't fair. Its not, so yea?

BioStu · 2021-04-22T18:20:07+00:00

So...women can’t change the size of her tits?

Title	Both men and women face some inherently unfair standards of attractiveness.
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Date	April 22, 2021 8:28 AM UTC (5 years ago)
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