Utah Teacher Who Had Sex with Students and Tearfully Cited ‘Extreme Self-Esteem Issues’ Is Denied Parole

darwinsaves · 2017-02-04T22:37:39+00:00

Guys, she was just "romping" with them. I'm sure they wouldn't jail a male teacher for romping with three underaged girls, right?

CaresLessEveryday · 2017-02-04T21:51:12+00:00

Misspelled "raped"

Cityman · 2017-02-04T23:17:21+00:00

This is kind of sketchy and grey. I say that because, although she should definitely lose her job and be barred from teaching ever again, the age of consent in Utah is 16 for a girl and 18 for a guy.

http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/utah-age-of-consent-lawyers.html

So while she did commit statutory rape, it was only statutory rape because they were boys and not girls.

EDIT: Turns out it is rape because the teacher is 36. And in Utah if you're more than ten years older than the minor, it statutory rape regardless.

oh_no_aliens · 2017-02-05T02:34:50+00:00

Female teacher to underage students: "She had sex with them"

Male teacher to underage students: "HE raped them".

gimpwiz · 2017-02-05T00:03:47+00:00

Obviously she has self esteem issues - who the fuck wants to have sex with high school kids?

I don't think "self esteem issues" get you out of jail, though.

jspliff1 · 2017-02-05T04:57:32+00:00

"I was having self esteem issues and they made me feel good"

"Had sex after being arrested"

Bitch wtf

drugsuser · 2017-02-05T01:28:37+00:00

i understand statutory rape, and do not think this woman's actions are excusable, but even still I always wonder why the underaged party's pov is never even touched upon in these articles. I wonder how the kids feel about these things in retrospect.

OneHundredBigMacs · 2017-02-05T01:52:39+00:00

You people are heartless. Even if this is rape it's statutory rape. While I don't agree with he actions and I belive she should be pushed, 30 years in pretty excessive.

Might I remind everyone that both parties consented to this act. They were practically adults too.

You guys are saying this woman should have the same punishment for what she did as someone who forcibly raped some 12 year old kid. That's not right.

You guys are so hell bent on equality that you're not even considering if the punishment is fair.

Also for the record I'd argue the same defense if the teacher was a dude.

Edit: All you guys are missing my point entirely, i completely understand how the courts are biased and all the shit, which I don't agree with.

My point is that the punishment doesn't at all fit the crime. I'd argue the same is the teacher had been a male and the "victims" female. I belive some punishment and a bar from teaching is in order but 30 years is way over what I would consider justifiable considering the "victims" were practically adults and it was consensual.

Also for the record u/rekabis ,I'm a dude.

NMEChachi · 2017-02-05T03:28:18+00:00

As satisfying as it is to watch the female perpetrator getting equal justice to a male one (thus far) this story more than most of them really highlights how utterly absurd our age of consent is. All three of those teenagers are legal in almost every Western country, and it's not America having it correct and all the others being "immoral." When you say a 13 year old can be tricked into wanting something he actually so strongly doesn't want that it'll be traumatic later, I'm a bit skeptical, but in some cases, sure. 14, you're taking cases to an extreme rarity. No 14 year old I've ever met, let alone myself at that age, is so reserved, manipulable and blissfully unaware of what's going on with themselves and the world that they could not under any circumstances confidently state that they wanted sex. By 15, it should be universal. Excessively innocent kids having shitty parents and shitty schools refusing to educate them about sex is a problem that should be resolved by law, instead of putting a bandage on the greater problem (the sway abstinence-nut Catholics hold on public education) at the expense of...well, anyone the 17 year olds are attracted to

Roshambo-RunnerUp · 2017-02-05T06:56:31+00:00

To all the people that say the teenage boys are 'happy/proud if they got to fuck the hot 32 year old female teacher (which may be true) .... Why do you think the teenage girl isn't happy when a 32 year old male teacher fuck them?

Girls mature faster and typically have much more social intelligence in their teens then boys do. They might like it even more than the boys! Stop thinking that teen girls are little princesses made of sugar and spice and everything nice. They are more promiscuous and aggressive today than the boy are ffs!

My point is that, the sentencing is too tough for the adult women AND men.... And let's stop thinking that women are always the victims in these types of sexual situations. They are not.

Valac_ · 2017-02-05T03:14:14+00:00

She's fine as fuck.

God I hate these cases I know it's wrong but I can't help but think shit I'd have been one happy ass little dude.

sojerboy08 · 2017-02-05T00:33:39+00:00

Hey its me ur student

Realrowanatkinson · 2017-02-05T10:32:14+00:00

She looks like a creep too

smoke-billowing · 2017-02-04T23:38:12+00:00

Niiiiccccce

LawBot2016 · 2017-02-05T03:25:42+00:00

Oh man, "victims" were 16 or 17 at the time! Which is legal age for sex in literally all of europe and happens all the time. It's even legal for student-teacher relationships.

Branding sex with 16 and 17 year olds and adults as some kind of sexual assault/deviancy/pedophilia is a very United States only thing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe

EDIT: No my username is an Undertale reference, not a pedo reference.

Thanks for the PM. Not.

hl-99 · 2017-02-05T09:04:27+00:00

she looks fucking horrible

WhenDidIBecomeAGhost · 2017-02-04T23:31:12+00:00

Ha. I attend the same high school that this chick got fucked at. And just a few weeks ago I heard the story first hand from her first victim (not the only victim) . I could tell he was kinda boastful about it, and of course he's not gonna give the full details, but this teacher really did make the first move on several kids. Wish I was one of them. The bitch was hot. #FREEALTICE Edit: looking at some of the comments and I can answer questions on the matter if anyone is interested, I know quite a bit about the case.

FatherSigma · 2017-02-04T21:28:21+00:00

Even I, do not hope she serves 30 years for that. Yes - It was wrong and she should serve time - but hell no, that her crime was worth 30 years. Not for anyone. Man or woman.

dabilee01 · 2017-02-05T13:17:09+00:00

What she looks like at the club. What she looks like in the morning.

Be careful out there, gents.

spicybuttholenachos · 2017-02-05T01:49:36+00:00

I know I'm part of the problem and I hate myself but...... Teacher is fucking smoking !

boondockspank · 2017-02-05T06:27:38+00:00

ITT: a bunch of people who think these dudes are scarred for life over this. If that is the case (it's not), then they are seriously weird dudes. She's fairly attractive and having sex with an attractive woman as a teenage male is not a "traumatic" experience. Fucking Christ. This woman does not deserve 30 years in prison for this.

realstekcor · 2017-02-05T01:52:01+00:00

i'd still bang

Ferguson97 · 2017-02-05T05:29:57+00:00

She should serve some jail time, but 30 years is batshit crazy. Like... 3-5 years max.

Thehulk666 · 2017-02-05T09:56:55+00:00

30 years is ridiculous, this isn't pedo shit.

Hope499 · 2017-02-06T18:56:05+00:00

"During the parole hearing, Altice admitted to inappropriate sexual conduct with the victims, who were 16 and 17 at the time."

Come on...

I am sorry, downvote me all you like, but a 17 year old dude...I hardly think he feels victimized.

Shit, i was 15 when i slept with a 35 year old, still a great day for me lol.

I dunno...guess I am weird.

as_above_so_below · 2017-02-05T06:11:14+00:00

If she was giving me gobbies at 16 I'd have been a happy young man and would've kept my mouth shut. I know everyone is different but damn in that first photo she can get the dick.

dark_knight097 · 2017-02-05T00:18:17+00:00

Man, where were these teachers when i was in high school?

2017-02-05T06:57:08+00:00

Disgusting subhuman.

aarghj · 2017-02-05T08:09:03+00:00

Man, she went from mega hot to mega not in only 2 short years...

Brandwein · 2017-02-05T08:19:20+00:00

Everyone who has sex with minors has issues. You can't cite this issues as a DEFENSE, because they are the CAUSE. And they are YOU, not something that you have no fault for.

Rhythmusk0rb · 2017-02-05T08:46:25+00:00

My opinion on 'how wrong' this is doesnt matter. A man wouldve gotten life as the minimum

freenarative · 2017-02-05T09:05:46+00:00

This is fucked up. I read "underage" and I thought they were, like, 10.

In the UK they would be of legal age. She'd still be in trouble with the law though for "abuse of a position of trust"

nuesuh · 2017-02-05T10:37:30+00:00

b-but she's a woman? And she's crying!

rapscallionx · 2017-02-05T15:18:05+00:00

I'd be willing to bet most pedophiles have extreme self esteem issues.

van-nostrand-md · 2017-02-05T16:41:00+00:00

Have you ever noticed how people always say "I take full responsibility for what I did" but then ask for leniency? Taking responsibility is bearing the consequences for your behavior. You can't just say you take responsibility....you have to actually take responsibility.

I hope she's denied parole and bears the full sentence. People are always so swayed by tears. Somehow I don't think she shed any tears after she got home from one of her encounters.

2017-02-05T16:59:14+00:00

I know it's wrong but I wish I had her as a teacher and it happened to me.

2017-02-05T18:32:13+00:00

She's attractive. Doesn't strike me as too severe hope she catches a break.

RottonPotatoes · 2017-02-05T19:44:48+00:00

/r/punchablelipbite

2017-02-05T19:44:57+00:00

Glad to see the law come down on a rapist, regardless of gender. What a shit excuse.

Kungligapostverket · 2017-02-05T20:00:49+00:00

Well that's too bad, say good bye to your life.

SethVermin · 2017-02-07T19:41:02+00:00

Fucking good she was denied. Fuckin bitch.

AndyFNG · 2017-02-05T04:43:10+00:00

Up to 30 years? Holy shit. The kids were 16 and 17. Even the minimum of 2 years seems like a lot to me. This doesn't feel like justice.

Angry_Concrete · 2017-02-05T06:26:21+00:00

Where the hell were these teachers when I was in high school?

2gudfou · 2017-02-05T05:10:55+00:00

16 is the most common age of consent in the US, she is a criminal for having sex in the wrong state. Although it being a student is not okay

nib_igc · 2017-02-05T02:55:10+00:00

As a Utah tax payer, I'm super happy we will have to continue to pay to house this super dangerous criminal, since according to my state, an otherwise capable 17 year old can't legally decide to fuck... great stuff. Well, so long as ya'll can enjoy your little meninist circle jerk, I guess it's all worth it.... Every penny... super worth it.

BannedFromImzy · 2017-02-04T21:53:33+00:00

I hope they keep her in until 2045. So that her kids and her grandkids will only remember her behind bars. And that afterwards she has to register for life as a high category sex offender so that even interaction with her grandkids and great-grandkids have to be supervised.

feluto · 2017-02-05T07:49:25+00:00

Those "Kids" were of legal age almost anywhere else on the planet, it was still fucked up but 30 years is a bit fucking excessive

Bman1973 · 2017-02-05T02:59:22+00:00

This shit drives me crazy, if this were a male teacher, the judge wouldn't be asking him if he thought he understood the gravity of what he was doing, he would have gotten longer. It sounds like they want to be lenient with her!!!! This is Nuts...We need to organize on a big level and first and foremost, work to end the insane preferential treatment that women get in custody cases...and also this female rape of young boys thing that is happening more and more in schools...

2017-02-05T06:49:19+00:00

Altice, 36, pleaded guilty to three counts of forcible sex abuse in April 2015

I think the word you're looking for here is "rape"

The_Sad_Deku · 2017-02-05T06:53:41+00:00

Raped, not "had sex with"

She is a rapist.

Fat_n_Ugly_Luvr · 2017-02-05T03:02:32+00:00

Damn she's hot

2017-02-05T04:44:59+00:00

Not so bad. They were 16 and 17 at the time. 16 is the legal age of consent here in Canada, and it was 14 (with parental permission, I believe) up until a few years ago--this was based on physical maturity [please read up on it if you're interested, I am too tired to put any more effort into this comment than these brackets right now] so kind of sad to see her even go to jail in my books.

The courts really need to get a handle on this stuff so it's more about biological/psychological maturity of both parties, position of power, willingness, etc., than pandering to the angry townspeople. Edit: words for clarity.

hereforthensfwstuff · 2017-02-05T00:57:51+00:00

Isn't there links on how it affects personalities?

theoleslippydrip · 2017-02-05T02:52:48+00:00

Dont read the comments on that site...

lookxdontxtouch · 2017-02-05T03:37:55+00:00

His did I miss this story? That was my fucking high school after all!

...although quite a few years after I had graduated. Also, side note, my English teacher in tenth grade was married to bmx'er Fuzzy Hall and she was gorgeous! I wrote a poem about her for an assignment once, but I certainly never got laid for it...I thought it was worthy.

PunctuationsOptional · 2017-02-05T04:36:06+00:00

W/makeup: 7

W/o makeup: 4

rekabis · 2017-02-05T06:50:55+00:00

But… but… but… but… she’s a woman… how can they possibly set the standards of her sentence to the same degree a man? Doesn’t she deserve leniency due to her sex? Isn’t that what third-wave feminism is all about? /s

MrMeier · 2017-02-05T06:52:36+00:00

Oh I pled guilty and traded rape for forceful sex...

WTF America! Who came up with that?

CountyMcCounterson · 2017-02-05T08:11:52+00:00

They were 17, that would be legal in most countries

sylect · 2017-02-05T08:56:06+00:00

Niccccccccccccccccce

MrMoustachio · 2017-02-05T09:41:32+00:00

Still not an excuse, but I believe her. She looks like a goblin. That no doubt causes self esteem issues.

MannekenP · 2017-02-05T10:09:55+00:00

She was sentenced to at least two years and up to 30 years in prison

Is that the same as "30 years but you can be released after 2 years if certain conditions are met" ?

LEGITIMATE_SOURCE · 2017-02-05T12:57:40+00:00

Leave now if you're looking for a rational discussion. Then again, this sub is about holding women to the standards of dealing with men. Never touches on the deeper issues of flaws in perception of justice.

rackflowseidon · 2017-02-05T15:43:32+00:00

I went to high school at davis and I know two of the kids she had sex with. Kaysville has a lot of Mormons and this was definitely shocking to everyone.

2017-02-06T15:08:58+00:00

At some point schools have to stop hiring young women to teach high school boys, there is a new one of these stories every week.

chillmonkey88 · 2017-02-06T19:38:37+00:00

Make-up is a hell of a thing. I might start using it just to see if life is easier.

2017-02-06T21:36:11+00:00

I go to Davis and she was my teacher. Fucking crazy. Hot as he tho

the_unseen_one · 2017-02-05T02:59:09+00:00

It's crazy seeing all the comments on that article defending this woman and saying she should have got parole. Meanwhile if a man did it, he would have been locked up for 50+ years. Equality!

za4h · 2017-02-05T05:48:44+00:00

She did terrible things and deserves to be in prison, but if my teacher looked like the picture on the left, I'd let her do whatever she wanted to me.

PacoRamirez1966 · 2017-02-05T14:37:06+00:00

These double standards crack me up. Feminism is a disease.

NthngSrs · 2017-02-05T02:50:23+00:00

Lock her up. Perv.

nmagod · 2017-02-04T23:41:03+00:00

Her current scheduled release date is 2045

YES

sign_on_the_window · 2017-02-05T04:28:32+00:00

Part of me is angry that a teacher took advantage of students and messed them up down the road.

But I gotta be honest.

Part of me is jealous as fuck that none of these teachers taught my high school. I only had one hot English teacher who is literally the reincarnation of Satan himself.

Erudite_Delirium · 2017-02-05T04:34:35+00:00

To all the apologists of this pedophile, please read the full article. It talks about the victim impact statements for all 3 victims, and how her actions had really fucked them up, created problems for them and compounded pre-existing problems (that she arguably knowingly exploited). That would've been taken into account in the sentencing and is also being taken into account at the parole hearings. I really doubt she'll get anything close to the full 30, maybe more in the 6-10 range, imo the parole board would be waiting for her to express remorse not just for how much she regrets having affected her own life but screwing them up and being so predatory and abusing her position in the community (her having sex in a church parking lot probably wouldn't endear her to them much either). That massive sentence scope also gives opportunity to see how well the victims recover and that will probably also play a big role in the length of the time served.

rebbell19 · 2017-02-05T03:51:19+00:00

I might unsubscribe from this shit it's getting ridiculous.

prometheus_winced · 2017-02-05T03:27:50+00:00

If you (as the student) look back on it and masturbate to it as your greatest sexual memory, I don't think it's a crime.

ThugDaddy · 2017-02-05T04:08:59+00:00

as someone over 18, id smash

2017-02-05T04:58:11+00:00

Those poor 16 and 17 year old victims who had sexual relations with their hot teacher in the parkign lot during lunch break. Justice must be served. She needs to stay in prison for at least 30 years

2017-02-05T05:08:45+00:00

I wish my math teacher in 9th grade had sex with me :(

casemodsalt · 2017-02-05T06:20:24+00:00

hope that rapist rots in jail

COMPTONOAK · 2017-02-05T09:04:29+00:00

NIIIIIICCCCEEEE

ELITEJoeFlacco · 2017-02-05T00:23:51+00:00

What's with her lip on the left photo ?

judgedeath2 · 2017-02-05T03:49:29+00:00

Jesus Christ, Kaysville

What gives? Utah just a hotspot for this?

Tmanbro · 2017-02-05T05:09:07+00:00

Niceeee

ender89 · 2017-02-05T05:48:04+00:00

I mean, if I looked like that, I'd have self esteem issues too.

Ekrank · 2017-02-05T05:53:14+00:00

Niceeeeeeeeee

__word_clouds__ · 2017-02-05T06:49:53+00:00

Word cloud out of all the comments.

I hope you like it

bob1689321 · 2017-02-05T07:06:59+00:00

Literally nothing to do with pussy pass.

FundleBundle · 2017-02-05T08:26:44+00:00

God damn, 16 and 17 year old dudes? Why is she in jail?

2017-02-05T08:36:09+00:00

I had friends in her classes when this all came out.

I shit you not, she teaches English and they were reading the Scarlett Letter.

odkfn · 2017-02-05T08:57:28+00:00

It's weird, but I do think it's different - I'm not even sure why.

Is it sexist that I think in this scenario the boys would have been equally up for it and there will be no lasting emotional effects, but if it was reversed the girls would be victims and the teacher would be a predator?

RaymondRasmusson · 2017-02-05T09:00:57+00:00

Niceeee

2017-02-05T10:46:11+00:00

Faaaaarrrrrkkkk just had the best spackle to her photos. Fucken insta-jizz

pabbseven · 2017-02-05T11:54:25+00:00

Everyones dream!

ingrown_hair · 2017-02-05T14:30:11+00:00

I can muster some sympathy and I'll let the parole board sort out her sentence. But I always wonder why these teachers don't just find someone age appropriate to have sex with. In cases where there is only one victim, you can understand the attachment, but when there's more tan one student (or more than one teacher) it's both immoral and stupid.

2017-02-07T19:10:51+00:00

I'm going to be perfectly honest; 16 and 17 year olds are not children.

She should be fired, but I don't think this deserves jail time like this.

For the record, I would say the same if the genders were flipped.

Kangaroobopper · 2017-02-07T19:53:39+00:00

Altice admitted to inappropriate sexual conduct with the victims, who were 16 and 17 at the time

...nice

fancyleggs · 2017-02-07T21:22:16+00:00

I would have banged my hot young teachers if I had any, as a guy with a large penis and high sex drive i don't see the problem

mhmmrockets · 2017-02-13T16:28:27+00:00

I wish I could go back and bang some of my highschool teachers

2017-02-15T18:30:54+00:00

She is way too hot to have self-esteem issues.

Title	Utah Teacher Who Had Sex with Students and Tearfully Cited ‘Extreme Self-Esteem Issues’ Is Denied Parole
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Comments	452
Date	February 4, 2017 8:58 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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