Women are nearly five times more likely to show an automatic preference for their own gender than men.

Endless_Summer · 2015-07-20T11:02:12+00:00

Men and women who automatically perceived men as more threatening or intimidating than women also had pro-female preferences, suggesting that negative male stereotypes can promote greater liking for women.

And the feminist movement hasn't been a notorious legitimiser/promoter of negative male stereotypes? Not to mention encouraging women and girls to hold a general ingroup/outgroup "battle of the sexes" view of men and women (which I think is enough on it's own to explain the difference).

I also found this interesting given the prevalence of female sex-negativity and the feminist demonization of male sexuality :

women who implicitly liked sex also preferred men

nick012000 · 2015-07-20T13:17:44+00:00

This is why you see feminists always assuming the worst intentions by men. See the tried and true 'all these men in congress no one is looking out for women' etc. Women on the whole experience constant own group preference and assume the same of men. The 'boys club' mentality, when it simply doesn't exist, atleast not to a degree that matters.

They're stuck in the mindset that if men are in charge then no one is looking out for women, even if all of history is staring them in the face refuting just that. Women look out for women so surely men look out for men. We aren't all evil, colluding bastards.

LobotomistCircu · 2015-07-20T13:59:14+00:00

This is actually kind of surprising to me, just because I feel like I have a really bad habit of immediately defending or identifying with the man in whatever story I read regardless of context.

Honestly I thought that was something everybody kind of did. You identify with the person most like yourself in whatever setting.

AloysiusC · 2015-07-20T15:22:44+00:00

The implications of this are huge. Because the entire basis for feminism is that society is biased towards men. But this contradicts that basis which means virtually all of feminist theory falls apart.... yet again.

polyphonictree · 2015-07-20T18:12:19+00:00

Just came here to point out that this is ONE study published over ten years ago with a total of 204 participants that were probably screened to minimize differences/diversity... Notice it's also an association study, meaning there is no real objective measurement that can support the conclusions the article, and now this discussion, are coming to.

Sorry, but it's just not scientific to use outdated/poorly conducted social psychology experiments ("research") to support the MR movement - you need hard facts that can't be argued with. I'm not saying I'm on the other team, but I am saying this isn't going as far to support MR as some people are making it out to...

GreasedLightning · 2015-07-20T13:52:17+00:00

Ahh, the old Women are Wonderful effect dissected. It's nice to see I'm not fucking insane when I notice some heterosexual women love being around other heterosexual women, and that some of them hate me -and men like me- quicker than other women without much reason. I think it's safe to conclude that a sign of an unhealthy mind is one that desires more conflict, and these women are just that.

Make your choice: A depressing life bickering and being part of the collective that both simultaneously despises itself and everyone around it, or lavishness and a less stressful life paid off in the form of a bit of isolation? It reminds me of this video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqfAt7TshLw

Personally, I'll take my life and death more happy and fulfilled, with a lot less conflict any day of the week.

The_Kids_Lying · 2015-07-20T14:27:52+00:00

Could this be explained evolutionarily? Looking through these comments, I keep seeing people blaming feminism, but if we think back to a hunter-gatherer lifestyle, the women were back at camp taking care of kids and doing other "household" kind of chores. It was advantageous for women to stick together, and the ones that did not stick with the others as well were the ones eaten by the tiger or killed by the enemy tribe. That's at least how I've always rationalized "the sisterhood." I'm wondering what other perspectives are looking at this from a biological perspective rather than just a social perspective.

Globalization101 · 2015-07-20T07:38:00+00:00

Thanks feminism.

_skipp_ · 2015-07-20T11:35:45+00:00

Okay I'll say it. This is disturbing.

RaptorSixFour · 2015-07-20T12:58:38+00:00

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whitey_sorkin · 2015-07-20T15:11:30+00:00

Personally, I think this needs a larger sample size, and a broader sample. n=204 and only college students doesn't seem like a very representative sample to me.

ConfirmedCynic · 2015-07-20T17:58:06+00:00

We've long known about the "Team Women" thing.

sillymod · 2015-07-20T18:03:30+00:00

Men and women who automatically perceived men as more threatening or intimidating than women also had pro-female preferences, suggesting that negative male stereotypes can promote greater liking for women.

This is the key statement. The proliferation of negative male stereotypes influences pro-female views (though the reverse is not shown from the study, I believe).

2015-07-20T18:26:15+00:00

TLDR: "A clear pattern shown in all four studies is that men do not like themselves automatically as much as women like themselves," Rudman says. "This contradicts a lot of theoretical thinking about implicit attitudes regarding status differences."

"These results suggest that for men, pro-female bias is moderated by sexual gratification," Rudman says. "By contrast, women who implicitly liked sex also preferred men, whether or not they were high on sexual experience."

"So men NEED to have sex in ORDER to feel loved. While Women NEED to FEEL LOVED in order to have sex. - At some point someones fucking lying" - Billy Connolly

Turn_Coat · 2015-07-20T18:43:10+00:00

... and that's why having women in HR is destroying the country.

qemist · 2015-07-20T22:00:14+00:00

APA sucks. No link to paper or citation or even a title. WTF?

Gender Differences in Automatic In-Group Bias: Why Do Women Like Women More Than Men Like Men? Rudman, Laurie A.; Goodwin, Stephanie A. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, Vol 87(4), Oct 2004, 494-509. http://dx.doi.org/10.1037/0022-3514.87.4.494

Full text: http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Laurie_Rudman/publication/8226295_Gender_differences_in_automatic_in-group_bias_why_do_women_like_women_more_than_men_like_men/links/0a85e5324b69af209e000000.pdf

WAFC · 2015-07-20T23:00:03+00:00

Anyone who frequents the relationship subs already knew this. You see it every day. OPs gf/wife does shitty, horrendous things, and all the comments are about how it's his fault.

I think it's just self-interest. Women want to make shitty female behavior socially acceptable so that they can pull it some day.

eyeothemastodon · 2015-07-20T16:02:56+00:00

204 heterosexual college students

I'm not sure this is the sample group represents our whole culture very well.

Conspo · 2015-07-20T10:54:34+00:00

Thank feminism for that. Also, I once saw a study that aske women who watched porn which kind of porn they watched the most. Unfortunately i can't find the study, but I remember lesbian porn was one of the most watched.

bozwizard14 · 2015-07-20T11:47:47+00:00

This is really interesting, though anything showing group behaviour usually is. Not hugely surprising though, an increase in negative images or experience of men makes them feel safer among women.

TechnoSam_Belpois · 2015-07-21T02:54:37+00:00

And this starts young. Just yesterday I watched a group of kids play "duck duck goose." A girl was chosen to walk around the circle first, and she chose a girl. Who also chose a girl. This went about 10 times and on the very last time the girl finally chose a boy.

This could in part be due to the girls expecting boys to be able to outrun them. But at that age the differences are very small.

bub_rub · 2015-07-21T22:19:15+00:00

Is this why girl's night out is a much bigger thing than guy's night out? Or why the other day I was at a baby shower for my fiance's sister and she kept lamenting that the men hadn't left yet, when there were 20 women and 3 men? Are some women unable to have fun in the presence of men?

youdonotnome · 2015-07-20T15:35:44+00:00

"women defend women in all situations? there's a surprise" -Arri Gold

probably not word for word, i haven't seen this show in a while.

2015-07-20T18:02:51+00:00

Huh. I've been citing it as only a four-times greater prejudice. Downplaying female misandry? I guess it's true: I am an accidental feminist!

JayBopara · 2015-07-21T04:47:39+00:00

Interesting self-report academic study. Is consistent with women showing in-group bias towards women.

duhmoment · 2015-07-23T21:38:54+00:00

This is very apparent in shows like Survivor where the women always say "let's make an all woman alliance for the final" the men on these shows then invariably have to circle their wagons and do an all male alliance or be voted off. I simply have never thought in those terms.

SpiritofJames · 2015-07-20T15:59:57+00:00

Men low on sexual experience showed implicit sexism to the extent they liked sex.

Hmmm, I wonder what the hell this is supposed to mean? What is their definition of "sexism" here? Maybe, possibly, the mere absence of the very effect they're cataloging?

MasterZapple · 2015-07-20T12:29:13+00:00

A friend with bachelor's in psychology just said: "well, that's evolutionary psychology and that field is... just... rubbish...."

Ithinknotttt · 2015-07-20T14:52:57+00:00

Who would have guessed...

qemist · 2015-07-20T16:36:21+00:00

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Lethn · 2015-07-20T09:00:53+00:00

Why would people bitch about this? I'm telling you guys, support gay marriage if you want threesomes ;) trolololololol.

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