Conservatism is deeply misandrist

No1LudmillaSimp · 2024-08-16T06:59:14+00:00

The most pathetic, groveling, sycophantic, white knight simps I've seen online are not male feminists desperate for pussy, but ultrareactionaries with marble statue avatars who fancy themselves stalwart defenders of Western civilization.

SvitlanaLeo · 2024-08-16T05:57:57+00:00

Conservatism views men as cannon fodder for imperialist goals.

HantuBuster · 2024-08-16T06:52:57+00:00

Conservatives fucking hate men. They don't see men as humans, just a commodity. Also you're absolutely right they LOVE to promote MGM (both circumcision and castration). Which just goes to show how little they value the male body.

Johntoreno · 2024-08-16T07:22:51+00:00

Man up. Get married. Provide and don't complain. Bury your hopes and dreams; if you don't, you're a loser. Don't try to complain about divorce or anything else - only losers complain.

The funny thing is that Feminists agree with all of this 100% and simply add the "You should also feel ashamed to be a man" bit.

captainhornheart · 2024-08-16T09:33:19+00:00

Yes. Even from those on the right who claim to support men - ranging from the extremist Andrew Tate to the relatively mild Jordan Peterson - there's an unending stream of contempt and belittlement towards other men. They want to put men in a box, saying there's only one way to exist and if you don't measure up, you're not worthy to be called a man.

The "traditional" roles for men that these people espouse are actually new and artificial, based as they are on a superficial understanding of biology, society and history. Certainly not all men in the past were stoic, hard-working, physically tough, fearless and disciplined. In fact, some of the greatest men in history had completely opposed traits.

Vegetable_Camera50 · 2024-08-16T10:23:28+00:00

Conservatives and red pillers are detrimental to men rights.

Look at the dumb shit Andrew Tate brother said about women and kids should be the only ones to get asylum, not men.

MannerNo7000 · 2024-08-16T07:49:32+00:00

Yes! Left wing is more ‘ironically’ freeing for men and men’s choices. Conservatives want men to be traditional and conform to those values and rules.

ReadItProper · 2024-08-16T10:52:23+00:00

It's called benevolent sexism.

When it is a zero sum game, which life ultimately is in a lot of cases, it means that it falls on men to sacrifice something for this benevolence. Sometimes it's just something small like holding a door, or paying for dinner. Sometimes, though, it's their lives while going to war.

Even though many men do this willingly, it's not really equality until there is a shift in the culture that this benevolence is not required. And while good intentioned most of the time I'm sure, it is still sexist - it assumes the female sex is lesser and can't (or at least shouldn't) take care of itself in the same way males do.

Whether it's getting on a lifeboat before the men, or not paying for dinner on a date, you gotta ask yourself - why? Is it because they're better than men, or because they're worse? It has to be one of those, and in some cases it's both.

cosmofaustdixon · 2024-08-16T13:27:52+00:00

Low Status men are tools and meat puppets in the minds of conservatives.

Phuxsea · 2024-08-17T04:38:17+00:00

That's true. They tell men our worth is to get married, never show emotion, and shame men who aren't as successful as their standards.

ImpossibleSide5926 · 2024-08-16T09:03:52+00:00

This is because misandry has always been a part of "the patriarchy" the feminists talk about if not the entire backbone of it. The further you dig into history, the more it looks like a consolidation of roles birthed around reacting to pregnancy.

This is all underlying religious and militaristic conquest incentivising ridgid social structures to consolidate and exert power over and amongst the people around us

Before the telephone, control especially socially would have been much harder to achieve, and people were much more self sustaining. Movements need boogeyman and the incentive for one is evermore appetizing when it is rooted in a psychologically negative inside space

To elaborate, It's gets even more meta when you realize the entire identify of masc vs fem is literally that it isn't the other which is why trends ebb and flow between the sexes associated. Ex. High heels used to be masculine. Today's state of affairs are a snapshot of dynamic movement that extends further than a lifetime and the only socially approved papers that seem to acknowledge this piece of the puzzle are ones written on "the patriarchy" which is probably why there is so much resistance to evidence that "the patriarchy" is only half the story

If you examine any table of what is masc/fem and reference it against your daily life, you'll find a myriad of things that can fit in either box and this comes pre-realization that the only thing they characterize is the sex of the person associated

And this is a building block of where I'm at because if the whole thing is built on a perspective bias then it's only objective foundation to reality is that we alone perpetrate gender in this sense. And through examining this perspective bias on gender, all that seems apparent is that everybody is acting accordingly and it's to how we are taught to interpret our own experiences, taking heavy influence from this pre built perspective bias on gender

We've made it our identity

I feel the more I see hardline gender talk, the more radical and hypocritical it gets because these are half truths we're dealing with. These are human things

I have yet to stumble across a movement that reflects these ideas in the name of gender neutrality, and I think that is because we don't have one, and I also think it would simply just piss alot of people off

Since children our entire identities have been largely attached/impacted by our perceived gender, centered around where we are in the game

We literally didn't have a word that described female-male perpetuated SA until last decade. We literally only studied male-female SA and then built an identity around it

By the way, if performing emotional labour is a real thing it goes both ways and that's what "the friendzone" was about

If "pick Mes" are real, that's the male feminists equivalent which there goes inclusivity out the window. Feminism is exclusive

If "every woman knows a woman" is valid, so is "every man knows a man" when it comes to false allegations and that's not a socially approved conversation to be having but it needs to be had. Both are valid and are happening concurrently that are deserving of attention

And finally, if the nuance in "men are trash" is implicitly implied the same goes for "women" in the same context of grievance. Being used to intimately (and I mean intimately to all degrees of that word) prop up someone else's life is not gender exclusive. Many "feminists" still want and actively seek men who prop up their lives by providing financially, emotionally, and sexually, and then negatively socially reinforce those who don't fit the same old cookie cutter. Valid in the sense of preferences, hypocritical on the grounds of consolidating grievance to one gender. And the same goes for males who are conservative

Conservative males and radical feminists mirror each other symmetrically. If the concept of something feels off in this life, it's probably just the cognitive dissonance required to maintain it. External validation is almost loud enough to silence the alarm, one dose is never enough though is it?

BKEnjoyerV2 · 2024-08-17T02:26:16+00:00

Even some aspects of liberalism are- I was just watching a Scott Galloway clip and he was basically like the main solution to solve the dating crisis was to find ways for young men to more easily make a lot of money. A lot of times it just seems it’s the same traditional masculinity type stuff regardless of political ideology

Reckless-Pessimist · 2024-08-16T13:25:02+00:00

don't complain.

This one's funny coming from Shapiro because he's such a whiny little baby.

Ok-Dragonfruit-697 · 2024-08-16T12:52:32+00:00

Conservatives have also teamed up with Radfems on trans issues. Radfems who say hideous things about men and only hate transwomen (not transmen) because they think transwomen are uppity men trying to get a more luxurious life.

GNSGNY · 2024-08-16T13:51:52+00:00

conservative gender roles are misanthropic

Cunari · 2024-08-16T14:21:53+00:00

Conservatives label their world view as good for men though. “Working 16 hour days to the detriment of your health is great! You don’t need women! They are all only fans hoes! Just keep working!”

gstateballer925 · 2024-08-16T15:36:38+00:00

Despite the millions of fans he has, nobody can really stand Ben Shapiro. He’s so delusional with his worldview and his advice on relationships is extremely archaic.

Even the more conservative-minded figures in the “manosphere” and RP space, who have acquiesced to the secular culture in the West, like Myron Gaines and Rollo Tomassi, know he’s a joke.

Despite what you may think about the latter figures, their advice for men in the West is much more realistic than anything the Tradcons have to say.

Terrible_Silver7758 · 2024-08-17T07:52:01+00:00

I'm not a conservative but I feel like using Ben Shapiro as the prime example is a strawman lol

Razorbladekandyfan · 2024-08-17T15:45:52+00:00

I despise conservative men like Shapiro or Peterson who rejoice at giving men advice that makes them disposable pawns to women.

Current_Finding_4066 · 2024-08-18T19:48:08+00:00

I agree, but, so is the left. Both for their own specific reasons, but equally toxic to men.

EDRootsMusic · 2024-08-16T21:06:42+00:00

Well, yes, traditional gender roles upheld by conservatives instrumentalize working class men for our ability to do labor and violence, and treats as defective those men who are not as useful at labor and violence as the system requires them to be. Men under capitalism and the state are raised to be workers and soldiers, and much of the emotional repression, tough guy bullshit, and demand that we be willing to suffer without complaint, are part and parcel of that.

ShermansFanboy · 2024-08-16T14:56:39+00:00

The proper mindset in my opinion is to challenge toxic feminist notions of masculinity and the silencing of male issues but always keep in the front of your mind that conservatism is truly malignant. It is to many men disillusioned with the conversations on the other side of the aisle a temptation to delve deep into the "pro masculinity" greek statue worship drug of right wingism to feel like they have power or just support. But it all is built on dehumanizing the man into some stoic god entity that can feel no pain and must hold up the world.

Of course you can find dehumanization of men on the left, that's why this sub exists, but our critiques of gender dynamics came about primarily because of broad social progress opening the door. Before that in many societies we were dominated by an ideology that would see young boys die for the most vague notions of tradition, blood, and general cruel stupidity. When a conservative speaks about their ideas of the ideal man, nation, or family structure, I see the dark maw that killed countless men and enslaved so many more. And that's not even to say what the other side of society suffered. I will continue to be critical and try to speak my mind against toxic narratives against men, but I always remember the og dumbfuckery. Mainly because they're powerful still and very fucking loud in male spaces.

No-Knowledge-8867 · 2024-08-16T15:57:18+00:00

It's all hatred of men whichever side you look at it from

B1G_Fan · 2024-08-16T20:03:40+00:00

Ben Shapiro and his wife got married in a very traditional manner. Where his family vets her, her family vets him, the families vet each other, and the synagogue in which all of these parties interact supervises the whole process.

And honestly, I’m pretty jealous of that approach to courtship culture.

But, you’re mostly correct; Shapiro is blinded by the fact that most women don’t want to adhere to that very structured approach to dating and relationships.

Razorbladekandyfan · 2024-08-17T15:44:36+00:00

Bingooo

BloomingBrains · 2024-08-22T19:26:17+00:00

My ultra conservative grandfather has ranted about how all men are beasts and have the potential to become pedophile rapists. I had to do a spit take when I heard that because I normally expect that kind of crap to come from a woke kid with purple hair.

Radical ideologies really do become so radical they eventually horseshoe and meet up with each other at some point, able to argue for the same thing from different angles.

For instance, from a radical feminist perspective, you could make a case that the 1920's was the best time ever for women. Not expected to work, the man shuts up about his own needs so he can protect/provide, etc. What a paradise, right? You could make the same case from a far right perspective as well: men need to man up and sacrifice everything because women are too weak for it. Sure, plenty of feminists would resent benevolent sexism (at least publicly) but I'm starting to think they actually love it deep down.

There's nothing more pathetic and (ironically) unmanly than a man who swallows all of his own needs and desires to serve women. Yet that's what exactly what conservatives advocate for. I've even heard men talk about the military was such a formative time in their lives, how it "made them a real man" and whatnot, even though in same breath they mention how they were humiliated, tortured, degraded, and rendered subservient in the military.

I guess real manliness is being a bootlicker ready to throw your life away and slavishly devoted to serving a gender that's also allegedly weak and inferior. I want nothing to do with it.

NomaiTraveler · 2024-08-22T22:45:38+00:00

This is unironically what people (used to) mean when they said “patriarchy hurts men too.” Unfortunately that has since been lost.

Vivics36thsermon · 2024-08-16T10:38:05+00:00

Yeah, you’re mostly right I don’t know how many I see talking about circumcision tho But I tend not to follow those conversations because they delve into extremism.

Garfish16 · 2024-08-16T06:37:43+00:00

I think the thing you're identifying is not exactly misandry. Conservatives usually support traditional gender roles and traditional gender roles are extremely harmful to men. There are also elements of misery, like conservatives willingness to throw men's lives away in war and see us die in pursuit of profit for capitalist. MGM is another excelent example. That's different from the soul crushing social expectations conservatives have of men.

As odd as this may sound I think the thing you're talking about is toxic masculinity. Which like ya, conservatives fucking love toxic masculine. Too many conservatives, including Ben Shapiro, the thing that makes someone a "real man" is abiding by a bunch of stereotypes that are bad for men.

Dapper_Platform_1222 · 2024-08-16T13:07:16+00:00

Gonna go with no on this one. Conservatism at least doesn't run counter to male instincts/ desires and then punish men for it. Just because some men and women exploit that for gain doesn't mean as a whole it's misandrist. Whereas feminism tries to define masculinity as either useful or toxic. Anything not being the former being the latter.

Professional-You2968 · 2024-08-16T06:02:32+00:00

You are falling for feminist talking points, what you describe in not necessarily reality.

One side will see it as you do. The other side will see it as a call to responsibility and self reliance.

I like a constructive message so while I not on the right myself I see a lot value in the latter view, especially in giving meaning to men's life.

Revolutionary_Law793 · 2024-08-16T10:15:49+00:00

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