Debunking "Systemic Misandry"? - Dr. Taylor's 37 Questions Challenge

rSlashGigi · 2024-01-17T17:08:23+00:00

I’d say her fallacy is in the “because” part of her argument. “I found 37 examples of oppression that applies manly to women and therefor there is no such thing as oppression to men”.

Francis_Dollar_Hide · 2024-01-17T18:26:40+00:00

Conflating Western Countries with others, and throwing in practices from 100 years ago.
This is one giant ideological straw man.

Stick to the West.

Can you name 1 country where men get shorter prison sentences for the same crime?
Can you name 1 country in the where Female Genital mutilation is legal?
Can you name 1 country where women are forced to serve in the military?
Can you name 1 country where the university population is majority male?

Fuzzy_Department2799 · 2024-01-17T17:18:21+00:00

I don't know why its so hard to understand that misogyny and misandry can exist within the same culture. The questions themselves are biased to manipulate the conversation. This person created these questions with the intent of controlling the conversation only to the points they want addressed to control the narrative. They are arguing that misandry cant exist in a society that has systemic misogyny. Its the same argument that a minority cant be racist against the majority race even if their actions are blatantly racist.

TrilIias · 2024-01-17T18:02:28+00:00

Two can play that game.

Can you name 1 country where women are conscripted but men are not?
Can you name 1 country where men are protected from non-consensual genital mutilation but where women are not?
Can you name 1 country where the law defines rape as female perpetrated?
Can you name 1 country that incarcerates women with roughly 60% longer sentences for the same crime as a man?
Can you name 1 country where women are denied aid and services for DV victims but where numerous such services exist for men?

Even if you can, it's just the exception that proves the rule. Therefore there is zero evidence whatsoever that women face systemic discrimination anywhere in the world.

This is just a stupid game that feminists love to play. They define "discrimination" or "oppression" specifically by how they claim it affects women, so that by definition men are not victims, then they declare that they've proved that men are not discriminated against or oppressed, as if this wasn't because their definition was beyond biased.

But even their premises are wrong. For example, men are raped by women at about the rate that women are raped by men. This isn't well known because, yet again, feminists twist the definition of rape to exclude men and exaggerate the number of female victims.

Some statistics, such as those produced by the CDC, used different categories, "rape," and "made to penetrate." Unsurprisingly, they found that most of those who were "raped" were women and that most of the men who were "raped" were raped by other men (it's true, most of the people who penetrated men without consent were other men, truly shocking. Apparently not all though). The number of men who were "made to penetrate" was about equal to the number of women who were raped.

According to tables 2.1 and 2.2, 1,270,000 women were "raped" and 1,267,000 men were "made to penetrate" in the 12 months previous to the survey. That's basically even. It's a difference of 0.24%.

2.

Yeah, Islam is a whole thing to get into, but believe it or not it's very oppressive to men a well, and there's a reason some Muslim women call it the first feminist religion, but that's it's own essay.

3.

Fair point almost, there are countries where women are not allowed to serve in the military, but military service is not a right. More critically, there are many countries where men are not allowed to not be in the military. Which is a better example of systemic oppression, being refused to serve in the military, or being forced into it, required by law to fight, die, kill, probably come back mutilated and traumatized if lucky? The reason women are denied in some countries is to protect women, because once you make the argument that women are capable of serving, what reason is there not to require it like we do of men? In the US, once women were allowed to serve it became just a matter of time before women will be forced to register just like young men have always been. What's the alternative argument? If women are just as capable as men, then the only reason to spare them from conscription is if women's lives or convenience is deemed more valuable than men's. That's where we are at the moment, but OH THE POOR DAMSELS!!!

4.

Can you name 1 country in the world where universities restrict their male university population to 10-15% to ensure more women than men get into higher education because they are deemed more important than men?

It's not because men are "deemed more important," it's because in those countries men are legally required to financially provide for women and children, while women bear no such obligations. Those laws are in place because if a man is educated he will have to provide for others, but if a woman is educated, she can still expect to rely on a man, but now has her own wealth that no one else is entitled to. So when it comes time to fill the limited spaces in school, if you give the spots to women, you now have men who are unable to provide for their families, unless they take up the typical manual jobs that are dangerous, and if he dies then there is no one to provide for his family. There's a reason why historically there were many jobs that were not only denied to women, but also to bachelor men.

It was deemed crucial to ensure that the people with obligations had the tools they needed to perform their obligations. It was necessary to make sure that women weren't the ones having to take up physically difficult, dangerous jobs, in times and places where that's just most jobs. Some times not only do you not need rights without obligation, but you having those rights may prevent others from fulfilling their obligations to you. Is it a good system? No, but it's certainly not one that uniquely constrains women.

5.

Can you name 1 country where men and boys were routinely sectioned and had their reproductive organs removed because female doctors believed it was causing them to become insane?

Yes, the US. Non-consensual circumcision has been used as a "cure" for all sorts of absurd things, including masturbation, paralysis, cancer, and yes, insanity. By the way, routine non-consensual circumcision is largely only prevalent for two reason, religious influence, and American influence. South Koreans only really adopted the practice because Americans were doing it after the Korean War. It's a cultural thing, not a medical thing. You may have noticed that there's no epidemic of uncircumcized men in Europe suffering from foreskin cancer or whatever the heck.

Jaffacakes-and-Jesus · 2024-01-17T18:05:52+00:00

All this shows is that misandry and misogyny take different forms. Yeah women get banned from the army army don't have access to elite education/ careers in some contexts, but men get forced into the army/ are in the death professions more. What has she proven exactly?

Also 1/3 Kenyan men report abuse by their wives (including sexual abuse) so... https://nation.africa/kenya/news/gender/a-third-of-kenyan-men-mistreated-by-partners-4315336

Acousmetre78 · 2024-01-17T20:22:30+00:00

I was raped by 2 women and sexually assaulted by more than 3. I was just taught women aren't capable of absue.

WanabeInflatable · 2024-01-17T20:02:28+00:00

Her point is utter nonsense. She just proves that discrimination of men is not similar to discrimination of women.

We can reverse this. There is no country on Earth where women are drafted and men are not. There are no countries where women retirement age is higher then for men. There is no country where women are losing 90%+ custodies.

Voila: misogyny and discrimination of women doesn't exist.

parahacker · 2024-01-17T17:39:42+00:00

The U.S.
It's a controversial topic, but there are studies floating around with even higher numbers; there was one census of children under 18 that actually had more boys than girls reporting some form of sexual assault, above 80% of the perpetrators being older women. I lost the thread but if one of you lovely wonders can dig it up for me again, I will thank you profusely
Any Title IX university proceeding, natch
How is this a metric? How about countries where men aren't required to serve in the military in extremis? The metric to judge oppression is not by what awful things you aren't forcing people to do, but the ones you are forcing them. What an outstandingly stupid and contrived question
Depends on how you define 'restrict' - but, ya know, a lot more women's only universities exist now than men's only. I can't even name one of the latter. Does that count?
Paging the intactivists... Intactivists, please note and respond to this one, your expertise is being called for.

Imagine this evil bitch's surprise when she gets her questions answered in the form of "yes we do in fact oppress men here!" Despite her going out of her way to contrive scenarios that completely obscure everyday misandry, she still couldn't hide it all. I'd laugh if I didn't want to scream so bad.

Important-Back-9545 · 2024-01-17T19:53:57+00:00

I love how she thinks misandry is just switching the roles where men are systematically oppressed the exact same way women are.

dankmemezrus · 2024-01-17T17:49:50+00:00

Men and women face very different discrimination. This list of questions is “are there places where men face identical discrimination as women?” And the answer is rarely yes. But you can equally as easily make a list of questions about male suffering and ask where women suffer in the same way and the answers will also be blank. Eg mental illness/suicide, deaths in work/combat, lifespan, homelessness etc

Ok_Contribution_1918 · 2024-01-17T23:36:27+00:00

Dr. Jessica Taylor is a horribly misandrist rape apologist. She is not a serious person and there is no reason to seriously engage with any of her bad faith arguments. She is just driven by pure sexism, nothing more.

Deleted_-420_points · 2024-01-17T17:06:44+00:00

Doctor of what? Women's studies? Good rule of thumb to only refer to physicians (and STEM PhDs) as doctors. Best test to determine who a physician is: can they prescribe antibiotics? If not, they're not a real medical doctor.

Unhappy_Doubt_355 · 2024-01-17T17:24:13+00:00

This is a ridiculous argument all together. Countries are different from one another, and we are talking about society in here and now. A society, where we have the ability to legislate and control our behavior.

Living in the UK and pretending to be a woman living in Iran or Afghanistan is an insult to all the people who are suffering in these countries, and also a cultural appropriation if you want to use this identiy politics vernacular. It is also an insult to her academic knowledge and tutors because this is a fallacious argument: We would like to talk in terms of misandry in a specific society, no "in the world". There is no "rule the world", there has never been and will never be.

Something that she also ignores, is that systemic misandry and misogyny can co-exist., they are not mutually exclusive.

Watching mr Bean would have been more beneficial for my brain than debunking this ridiculous arguments.

63daddy · 2024-01-17T21:16:38+00:00

I the us we passed laws discriminating against men in education, job hiring, business ownership, domestic violence handling, healthcare. There are no laws advantaging women in the these areas.

How many countries can she list where women are murdered at a greater rate than men? How many countries can she make where women are given longer criminal sentences? How many countries can she name that conscript women into the military but not men?

WhereProgressIsMade · 2024-01-17T21:31:33+00:00

Looks like a classic straw man to me.

You would think someone with a doctorate would know that, but universities pop out degrees like a Pez dispenser these days, so I guess not necessarily.

Automatic_Survey_307 · 2024-01-17T19:30:42+00:00

Misandry is different from misogyny. Both exist. Both shouldn't. Defining terms is important so that's a good starting place. What do we mean by misandry? Essentially it means hatred of men. In practice it is manifested as sexism and devaluing of men. Examples include saying "all men are rapists", "society doesn't need men", "men are evil" etc. Treating boys as less valued than girls is a practical example. This happens against girls in other countries where boy children are more valued, but in the USA there's a strong preference for girls among expectant parents.

Ziogatto · 2024-01-17T20:40:47+00:00

"Can you name 1 country where men are not allowed to serve in the military?"

Open 4 chan and show her videos of Russia Ukraine conflict. There's plenty of men getting blown up by explosions and with graphic detail of them still alive with half of their face missing and missing one or two limbs. Ask her if she so fervently desires to experience getting blown up by explosives and tell her you would gladly help her fight the patriarchy and achieve her dreams.

These people are ****ing retarded.

Metraxis · 2024-01-17T22:29:46+00:00

The whole thing is a canard. There's a qualitative difference between misandry and whatever "female-led oppression" is. When dealing with a feminist, always expect bad faith, starting with the definitions of the terms in the argument.

secret_tiger101 · 2024-01-17T21:10:27+00:00

It’s just a poor argument on her part, not a genuine discussion.

HPUnicorn · 2024-01-17T19:24:30+00:00

There is a name for this type of argument: can't remember what it is at the moment but this list is a series of individual questions that are supposed to prove that in the whole world, there is no misandry.

Huffers1010 · 2024-01-17T20:18:17+00:00

Honestly, don't engage. You'll never change her mind and you'll make yourself unpopular.

Obviously, her argument barely qualifies as an argument, particularly for the reason u/rslashgigi mentions below, but in the end this mainly boils down to what the word "systemic" means which is not particularly well defined in this context.

Batokusanagi · 2024-01-17T23:14:12+00:00

If you did find one example, all you have done is found an exception which proves the rule

Are all her questions/statements true in most or even a large amount of countries? If not, she rebutted her own argument.

Further, she says her questions are based on research by the UN, WHO and the like. Can she name any research these organizations are doing to tackle issues faced by men and boys?

Lastly, I don't see the point of her focus on whether a society is "male-lead" or "female-lead" (however she's defining these terms). The gender of the people doing it isn't the issue.

D1onigi · 2024-01-18T06:23:44+00:00

Any: female teachers have all the opportunities they want. I was oblivious to it until my feminist sister told me that kissing a child on the mouth is considered sexual.
United States of America. see Depp v Heard
This is in favour of women. Still men who can't pass physical and mental tests can't access the military in any country.
United States of America. Many STEM scholarships are given exclusively to female to increase their numbers in STEMs
I don't know how many in Africa and in USA circumcision is socially mandatory.

Actually answering this challenge is illogical. But it's the best way to critique fanatics. Only if you are responding in front of a crowd and only if the fanatic is influential and has a following. The audience will be the one really listening to your answer.

Please don't respond to a single feminist this way, because it's rude and pushes her towards extremism and fear. Instead use street epistemology.

https://youtu.be/9gHmhObfbn4?si=CC-87-0XG5EEJsOm

CawlinAlcarz · 2024-01-17T18:12:58+00:00

Unrelated to the question of systemic misandry, the biggest problem with this argument of "systemic misogyny" is the problem of enforcing misandrist policies in countries that do not practice systemic misogyny because some OTHER country DOES practice misogynist practices.

E.g. Why is it necessary to punish western men because men in some 3rd world nation treat women badly?

The premise of the entire discussion is moot and beneath consideration. Misogynistic and misandrist policies exist everywhere and are typically identified through subjective (rather than objective) applications of capricious, opportunistic definitions.

This is a major failing of the "equity instead of equality" discussion, which will remain problematic, and counterproductive for humanity for as long as people allow "equity" based policies.

danielm316 · 2024-01-17T20:01:53+00:00

A very dishonest doctor. He is judging men’s problems according to women’s problems. Obviously men and women have different problems.

SSFW3925 · 2024-01-17T18:20:42+00:00

Asked and answered. 1. Every country, but nobody cares so men don't report it. (If men could get early retirement from reporting it, they would report it too.)

Can you name one country were men can press rape charges against females?
Can you name one country were men are not considered expendable for national security?
Can you name one country that needs more useless feeling degrees?
Can you name one country were men routinely had their reproductive organs removed because it was believed it made them more trustworthy to power? (Castrated men, eunuchs, were common)

Women are the crime bosses of this violence against men, sex is the currency and payment is made to the winning actors of violence not the losing victims. Women are not innocent of history's violence.

solar-garlic1776 · 2024-01-17T18:50:34+00:00

The easy answer, the reason for no "historical data" on s because any female led misandrist society collapsed .

The misandry is everywhere if you want to look. Female dominated professions , me too, the huge double standards in our society.

Aletheian2271 · 2024-01-17T20:06:31+00:00

Name a relationship where the women is expected to protect her partner.

Now name a relationship where a man is Not expected to protect his partner.

Only If women will let go of their privileges

granadilla-sky · 2024-01-17T21:06:41+00:00

This is such a pointless fight and just reinforces that gender equality would be in all of our interests

LateralThinker13 · 2024-01-17T22:30:41+00:00

Can you name 1 country where men are not allowed to serve in the military?

She says that like it's a privilege to serve, rather than a lethal duty/obligation, in most countries.

My reply to this one is, "Can you name 1 country where women are required to serve (drafted) in the military alongside the men?"

Only one springs immediately to mind, and it's a toxic answer for her to admit.

Can you name 1 country where men and boys were routinely sectioned and had their reproductive organs removed because female doctors believed it was causing them to become insane?

Can you name 1 country where boys have equal laws protecting their genital integrity from childhood mutilation (circumcision) that girls do? How many do not?

Throning · 2024-01-18T05:41:52+00:00

Well...

Number 1

Can you name 1 country where 1 in 3 men will be raped or sexually assaulted by women?

I would argue that in virtually all modern countries, men convicted of, and proven to be rapists, face severe time in prison; we are not a "rape culture" due to the frequency, and we are not a "rape culture" because the majority of modern societies abhor the crime of rape to an extreme.

I would argue that there are many instances of women sexually assaulting men, but never face charges for inappropriate groping or forced penetration scenarios - and those women should be held accountable for it, as they probably wouldn't want to be randomly groped by perfect strangers any more than a man would want to be randomly groped by perfect strangers; why or how modern women think it's appropriate to just grab your chest or your junk and giggle about it is insane, many men have stories about this exact thing happening.

I would argue that rape itself as a separate aspect demands definition, as the legal definitions across jurisdictions & countries is not always the same. Some places use legal language in such a way that men cannot be raped, flat out, through defining it as nonconsensual penetration of a phallus into a vagina.

Number 2...

Can you name 1 country in the world where a man is not recognised as ‘a whole person before the court’ and therefore cannot give evidence in a trial unless it is backed up by a woman who is deemed as a ‘whole person’?

I cannot; but there are still MANY instances of court inequality in terms of which gender is most often ordered to do something. Particularly with regards to alimony and child support, and especially in cases where the man is proven not to be the father of a child, but still ordered to pay for the child that isn't his.

We could also include other various instances of a person, gender not a factor, having a valid claim of not guilty by reason of insanity. I don't know the metrics on it or the success rate of it as a defense, but I think it's reasonably safe to say that both men and women have used that as defense. This kind of throws out the particular point of "a whole person before the court"; and really it isn't something that should be generalized in regards to court cases, and would demand subjective/individual case-by-case analysis.

Number 3...

Can you name 1 country where men are not allowed to serve in the military?

Again, like Number 2, this is too vague. Men in the past were denied entry to the military for having flat feet, or some other malady that entrance exams discovered for them.

So then yes, as a technicality, several countries have standards of who they will accept into military service, and have denied some men entrance to that service.

Number 4...

Can you name 1 country in the world where universities restrict their male university population to 10-15% to ensure more women than men get into higher education because they are deemed more important than men?

Again keeping it to relative/current issues, the majority of US and western countries acceptance & graduation rates favors women. Ballpark figures, roughly 60-70% women are going to college, to 30-40% men going to college.

There's no need to push the metric to extremes there to 10-15%; we're already "on track" to reach numbers that low if the education system continues it's current paradigm.

It doesn't help when there are several more scholarships and financing programs exclusively available to women, or women & minorities only, without accepting any men, particularly white men. Again this isn't going to be the 10-15% figure, but it certainly does and would factor in for why men going to college has been shrinking over the past 30-40 years.

Number 5...

Can you name 1 country where men and boys were routinely sectioned and had their reproductive organs removed because female doctors believed it was causing them to become insane?

While not the literal "cause for insanity", any country that freely permits and sees no problem with circumcision, fits the bill. Also not the literal removal of reproductive organs - though the CDC reports that roughly 80% of US men are circumcised; it'd be interesting to hear her numbers on how many minor females have had hysterectomies for reason of 'insanity'.

And arguably for more petty and frivolous reasons; "because mom wants her son's dick to look like dad" which just seems rather pedo/creepy really - or "it's easier to clean" as if they've never heard of q-tips or even want to put in the effort to keep their baby/infant clean until they can be taught to clean down there themselves.

There's only barely an argument for religious reasons, because it seems anything claimed as a religious reason is justification to do anything, although in circumcision it's a bit more "verified" from thousands of years of Hebrew and Christian denominations practicing it.

phoenician_anarchist · 2024-01-18T11:24:58+00:00

Oranges aren't real because apples exist. Go ahead, try and find an orange that is as green and crisp as this here apple... Even if you do find one, it doesn't prove anything because oranges don't exist!

[...] misandry doesn’t, and never has existed in a patriarchy [...]

So, if anyone can find one single example of misandry, by "doctor" Taylor's own admission, we do not live in a patriarchy.

If you did find one example, all you have done is found an exception which proves the rule.

For one, that's not what that phrase means ffs, and two, if you are to claim that something doesn't exist, all I need is one example to prove you wrong.

I don't really want to read through this again, but from what I remember last time, it's just a bunch of "those men over there", "those men in the past", and the usual Feminist bullshit.

shit-zen-giggles · 2024-01-18T20:16:12+00:00

Can you name 1 country where 1 in 3 men will be raped or sexually assaulted by women?

In the US it's 1 in 6, see https://1in6.org/, with respect to abuse in general see https://www.domesticviolenceresearch.org/domestic-violence-facts-and-statistics-at-a-glance/ (check the home page to learn how solid this source is)

Can you name 1 country in the world where a man is not recognised as ‘a whole person before the court’ and therefore cannot give evidence in a trial unless it is backed up by a woman who is deemed as a ‘whole person’?

In Spain and Canada there are specific anti-male provisionings in family court and / or in cases of intimiate partner violence and sexual abuse.

Can you name 1 country where men are not allowed to serve in the military?

Can you name one country where women can be forced to serve in the military (for the record: Israel and Scandinavian countrys have gender neutral compulsory military service)

Can you name 1 country in the world where universities restrict their male university population to 10-15% to ensure more women than men get into higher education because they are deemed more important than men?

In the US there are countless female only scholarships, programs etc based on the assertion that they are 'discriminated', despite women having been the majority of college students and graduates for at least 3 decades

Can you name 1 country where men and boys were routinely sectioned and had their reproductive organs removed because female doctors believed it was causing them to become insane?

Circumcission is legal literally everywhere? The motivation is to dissuade boys from masturbation.

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Input_output_error · 2024-01-17T17:39:40+00:00

I'm not going to click that link but i'll answer the 5 that you posted.

First of all, that is a fucked up question. Firstly, the number she quoted are from a notoriously infamous "study" that asked like 20 people on one campus some very leading question. If I was to apply the same standards as that "study" i could honestly answer that it would be pretty much at least every western country that i have visited or lived in.
Yea.. Let me answer by this with, well if she can name a single western country where this is a thing. If she can't do this then there really isn't any reason for her to bring any of that up. That some fucked up country does something doesn't mean that feminism is needed in the west.
No, i can't, i can name a lot of countries that force men into wars.
Maybe not 10-15% but 20-25% seems pretty normal in western society these days.
No, but i can name a lot of countries where MGM is rampant while FGM is illegal.

None of this proves that misandry somehow doesn't exist, these are cherry picked questions that only look at things that may disadvantage women. It's like asking if she can name a country where the women don't get to a parent per default after birth, if she can't do that then surely misogyny doesn't exist, right!?

Cogitomedico · 2024-01-17T22:26:37+00:00

Men and women are different. Both face different biological, mental, social and legal issues.

How difficult is it to understand?

395benyel · 2024-01-18T02:24:01+00:00

2 things:

“because (caricatures of) Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan etc exist, women all over the world have it bad” is a hell of a take.
Many of these questions presume that men and women are the same. They are not. That doesn’t mean one is better or superior to the other. They both can merit respect.

SSFW3925 · 2024-01-17T17:56:00+00:00

Feminist never get any useful male attention so they think all sex is rape. Feminism's anger comes from useful men preferring 10s to 6s.

DMFan79 · 2024-01-17T23:54:37+00:00

Nobody has ever denied that men ruled the world and that women were slaves at some point in history. We all know there are countries were women are worth zilch, even today in 2024.

The list proves absolutely nothing. Misandry doesn't exist for those men, so what? Are the other men invisible? Or maybe they don't have rights?

How can they be so obtuse to not understand that you can't pick the entire world and expect to apply your (il)logic like there were no differences between countries, ethic groups, cultures...

There are men raping 1 woman every 3 in country X, so all men in US, UK, France, Germany and so on, that have nothing to do with those rapists must be held accountable and pay, just because...

We have a say here in my country: "Not even a person without eyes can be as blind as the person who refuses to see..."

Nachtlicht_ · 2024-01-17T21:54:58+00:00

I'd like to see her reasoning behind connection of rape and sexual assault with misogyny. I don't think a conscious hatred towards women correlates with rape. Why does she specify women as rapists? How about being forced to penetrate? Is it rape by her definition? If not, why? Aren't the culture norms behind men always wanting sex misandry? This list could go on and on and on for this question and each one of the rest.

Third one is really ironic and shows her ignorance.

Forth one btw? Does anyone know what she means? Can anyone name such country where women are the 15%? I think this would be extremely famous case and yet I never heard of it. What is this country if it even exists? And it'd go without saying the higher education problem affects mostly men e.g. in a way of pressure to generate income instead of pursuing it. How is that not systemic misandry? There are more reasons like the very idea of promoting education as a value, which schools fail to promote somehow exclusively for boys? How is that there are no more studies in this topic? Maybe show a country where the number of boys from low-income families in universities is 4 times higher than the number of girls of similar background? Etc, etc.

Honestly with all her questions, if comparing it to the iceberg chart, she's in the freaking sky.

Alternative_Poem445 · 2024-01-18T12:06:30+00:00

this is the classic absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence, with a dash of anecdotal evidence. all of these questions ask you for anecdotes and relies on them as evidence. one could perhaps make the argument it is a texas shapshooter fallacy, which is basically just cherry picking evidence and avoiding the evidence to the contrary.

stupuff · 2024-01-18T14:56:09+00:00

absolutely, 38 questions of your friendly neighbourhood misandry; (go for it and add a few)

ETF-The-Token · 2024-01-18T16:29:00+00:00

This is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard in my life. She’s just cherry-picking very very specific ways that women are or have been disadvantaged. You could reverse it: Name one country where women pay over 90% of alimony and child support to men. Name one country in which women make up majority of workplace deaths. Or victims of false accusations. Or literally ANYTHING that primarily affects men across the world, and there are many.

You can’t use those to “prove” that misogyny does not nor has it ever existed. It blows my mind that this type of anti-logic makes sense to people. Even if you want to believe it, you’d have to be almost impossibly stupid and/or delusional. I think they’re delusional. They NEED to be victims. It’s practically all they care about

TheseMeat4233 · 2024-01-18T18:04:27+00:00

1 Can you name 1 country where 1 in 3 men will be raped or sexually assaulted by women?

No, firstly in many countries men legally cant be raped by women, because rape means forced penetration on the victim. A women forcing a men to have sex wouldnt be rape. Secound as long as the sentiment stand that men always want sex and they get ridiculed if they talk about their sexual assault the dark number will be really high.

2 Can you name 1 country in the world where a man is not recognised as ‘a whole person before the court’ and therefore cannot give evidence in a trial unless it is backed up by a woman who is deemed as a ‘whole person’?

Not a country but there exist matriarchal societies.

3 Can you name 1 country where men are not allowed to serve in the military?

No, but can you name a country where men dont have to serve?

4 Can you name 1 country in the world where universities restrict their male university population to 10-15% to ensure more women than men get into higher education because they are deemed more important than men?

Not exactly, but many western countries dont give a shit, that men fall behind women in university degrees.

5 Can you name 1 country where men and boys were routinely sectioned and had their reproductive organs removed because female doctors believed it was causing them to become insane?

80 years ago homosexual men got castrated in countries like UK

JetChipp · 2024-01-19T00:33:43+00:00

The premise and conclusion seems to go like this:

Premise: none of these apply to men
Conclusion: therefore there is no such thing as systemic misandry, with misandry being defined as systemic discrimination against men because of their gender.

I don't understand how the conclusion follows from premise, isn't it possible that both are not mutually exclusive?

As far as I understand it If you want to prove a absolute claim like: "You probably cannot give real, evidence-based examples for all, or most, or any of these because misandry doesn’t, and never has existed in a patriarchy where men rule the world."

Then you have to disprove every single example of systemic misandry that there is out there, not cite random examples of systemic misogyny.

LeoTheHorse · 2024-01-19T05:24:59+00:00

What about suicide and homelessness rates?
Kurds, an ethnic group of roughly 30 million people who include many men
Yes, but they are forced into the military
All female Colleges, Duh
Circumcision

Title	Debunking "Systemic Misandry"? - Dr. Taylor's 37 Questions Challenge
Author	theoutbacklp
Upvotes	179
Comments	145
Date	January 17, 2024 4:48 PM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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