How is FDS manupulative?

beyond98 · 2020-07-14T22:03:45+00:00

“How is FDS manipulative?”

A mod from FDS posted this:

So yes, continue to delay sex with the one you actually want a relationship with and if you’re really horny, find some hot but unsuitable for relationship guy to fuck on the side to bide your time. It’s the only thing that works to get you to what you want from men, maximize benefit and stay one step ahead.

We’ve realized that when it comes to men, unless you show them that you can be just as toxic and just as shitty as they are, they never take you seriously and will walk all over you. If all women were aware of men’s manipulation tactics and not only had ways to spot and counter them, but also have tactics of their own, this dating market would be so much better for women. And that’s our goal.

Men calling us pieces of trash does nothing. It’s lost it’s sting and significance because we’ve now realized that men will shame women for literarily anything, esp if it does not fit their own selfish imperatives. As long as the women here are getting what they want, maximizing their benefits, even at the expense of men, then I’m good.

I’ll still continue to use the men I don’t want for money while fucking the ones I want, because men are incredibly stupid, easy to manipulate and dick is ridiculously cheap.

I love being “equally bad”. Because that’s what men deserve. And until women use more men and discard them like the trash they are, you idiots will never learn.

Women have a lot more value than men and are the ones that choose who to have sex with and be in a relationship with. Men’s only value is money and if anyone should be submitting, its the man.

lilastr · 2020-07-14T22:05:32+00:00

Women from FDS wants the privileges of being a virgin without the responsibilities of being one.

They will lie to achieve this. This is very manipulative

pooppeebuttmcnuggets · 2020-07-14T22:04:35+00:00

From what I've seen on there I wouldnt say it's so much manipulative as it is blatant entitlement. It's fine to want to be respected and want a normal healthy relationship, but these woman make ridiculous demands of men, and ridicule them for doing things men do.

wtknight · 2020-07-14T21:59:43+00:00

It's arguably manipulative if it makes otherwise decent guys change their behavior just to have a chance with that woman. It's not a compromise solution if a woman isn't willing to budge on her rules at all. An ideal solution would be for men to realize the nature of women, for women to realize the nature of men, and then for the two of them to come to a mutual understanding in order to maintain a relationship.

xFallacyx69 · 2020-07-15T00:32:44+00:00

FDS is, at best, raging misandry. They call men scrotes and blame literally everything on us... while simultaneously sport bitching about how they’ve been pumped and dumped more times than they can count and that men can’t make them orgasm... they also treat ANY guy who isn’t good looking like he’s deserving of the worst possible death for being bold enough to try to give his opinion on ANYTHING

Sid_Insidious · 2020-07-15T05:11:55+00:00

It's like PUA, but even more lame because girls invented it.

woxmintari · 2020-07-14T22:24:45+00:00

Then advice they give is garbage because they all want a high value man but these high value men have options and unless you have the golden vagina wont put up with this shit.

Also when most of these women do get even a slimmer of a chance with a high value male all that FDS crap goes out the window.

bobless_jum · 2020-07-14T22:19:37+00:00

How are FDS tactics manipulative, to those of you who think they are?

It's less that they're manipulative, and more that FDS is modded by sociopaths. Exhibit A. Exhibit B.

EDIT: That particular mod appears to have had her account suspended, which is unsurprising. She was one Tinder rejection away from becoming the first female Elliot Rodger (Supreme Lady?)

NinjaOfTheSouth · 2020-07-15T00:23:59+00:00

I have a question ? How old are the people in FDS?

reluctantly_red · 2020-07-15T05:52:46+00:00

Who cares if you label it manipulative or not. The fact remains that women following the FDS are a shit deal for men. This type of woman just needs to be avoided.

wtknight · 2020-07-14T22:00:11+00:00

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bien_leche · 2020-07-14T22:02:23+00:00

Going off the linked comment, FDS doesn't really advise women to cheat or lie. Maybe withhold information, but I don't think that's as bad. I don't really see any manipulation tactics when it comes to HVM, and HVM by definition aren't really vulnerable.

I think the sub has mellowed out a lot since it was first created, and now it's more of a WGTOW kind of thing. A lot of members acknowledge it's impossible for every woman to get a HVM.

THe1NES · 2020-07-14T22:28:43+00:00

What the hell is an FDS

Meritamen9 · 2020-07-14T23:20:35+00:00

It is manipulative but so is everything in life.

If I were not asexual I wouldn't waste my youth (what the men here make perfectly clear that is all a woman has) on men who won't give me something in return.

Sultmaker_9000 · 2020-07-14T22:28:37+00:00

I don't think it is, I just probably would never date any of them, most are too masculinised, mouthy and advocate career women, all unattractive unfeminine traits to me. It does on occasion also turn into a feminist male hate forum. As a broad rule they preach a good way to go about meeting a man, even though it can often be a convert centre for women with previously high body counts and ONS, who are now going to try and pass themselves off as respectable good women, and they'll love to tell everyone how glad they found FDS.

There's a total mismatch between what average looking women on FDS think they are, when calling themselves HVW, when men place massively more value on her looks.

FDS wot go anywhere though, women in general have only ever become easier to get into bed, and become filthier each passing day, I have lead a very comfortable life under the 3 date rule, mostly 1. You'll most likely get abuse online from the average girl hidden behind her screen about high n counts these days, they see slut shaming as men controlling women.

wtknight · 2020-07-14T22:00:35+00:00

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bluefiremagic · 2020-07-14T22:02:03+00:00

You haven’t read enough their is much more than that the tactics are equally as manipulative as any PUA just with different goals in mind.

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Workaholiconew · 2020-07-15T01:30:47+00:00

Simply put? Deceiving buyers and hypocrisy.

I think I do not need to explain how the pill-sphere sees the market as well... a market. And how we talk about market forces, supply and demand and all that shit. Well, there is one thing people have in a market. And it is people who betray confidence in delivering of a product. Aka Deceivers. And FDS does it on a constant rate and without any other reason other than 'they are men'.

It is worsened when you consider their hypocrisy, You see, TRP actually tries their best to not deceive others, to be chosen because of merit and investment. Look at "All-in-one Red pill 101" about "Plate spinning"

Be honest; never imply exclusivity

TRP is (surprisingly to way too many) not intended on deceiving if they can. Their intention is to increase their value the highest possible. And be chosen because of that. And yet they are constantly called traitors and deceivers by FDS women, while actually calling for deceiving left and right of innocent men.

It is hypocrisy in the highest degree.

kwalden2 · 2020-07-15T02:03:19+00:00

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michael1962-01 · 2020-07-15T05:29:37+00:00

FDS as well as RP is a toolbox and a behavior description of possible human strategies.

Every working strategie in love, business whatever is manipulative - if you do not turn the lever (manipulate it) - nothing will change.

So you either can go the esoteric way a lot of women prefer (the universe will care for me, i light a candle set up some luck symbols and will attract the right partner) or take action yourself.

Both ways might work both can be doomed to fail.

FDS is in a lot of points as flawed as RP but both work.

But.....

FDS ... if u use their strategies might let you skip the chance to team with the great guy who loses interest if he sees your "no sex strategie" on the third date or when he tests what you will bring to the table by asking you to pay the date. You might skip a rich one giving you a easy ride with "real love" later on just by doing that stupid FDS thing.

You might lock down some orbiter friend type guy who treats you like a disney princess and uses credit card debt and financed luxury to impress you using FDS.

Wow.... cool FDS outcome.

You'll have to monkey branch when the credit collectors come for him.

Life is neither RP nor FDS.

Concentrate on YOUR goals and your mission.

You want "suburban two kid SAHM" relation? You want to be a "business women"? You want to be a "groupie 4 ever"

I had my goals set very young and concentrated on them since them. A women is at my side while i am on my mission. I can show and teach her if it interests me. I value her opinion but i do my thing. I will not accept her to tell stupidity or misbehave. I do not have golden cages. If she wants to go - there is a wide open world. If she has integrity and dignity she can be at my side. She cheats once - over 4 ever.

If you want to be a SAHM you'll have to look 4 different type of men as a groupie 4 ever party type.

The problem you might get into is that the man you need to attract will not arrouse you. The overweight successful nerd with his multimillion enterprise might disgust you in bed.

So you will live the female dilemma which i can contradict your FDS strategie on the first date.

I'll tell you i'm only into really independent women.

Now answer.

You're into the submission explotation type of disney princess game or into a independent strong relationship where you bring the things onto the table and not only a pussy (i can buy 4 a few bucks everywhere)? Did you educate yourself or did your family did allways good reliable business?

As i do not know you i will call for dignity and integrity and tell you how often i've been told "i'm independent" from broke hoe's.

So i will offer you to take me out on a date and pay. My first wife did pay on the first date. We raised 2 children and where married long time. She had a luxury life, i gifted her real estates cars and much more. So it was a cheap investment for her back then.

Of you tell me "i am old fashioned type of girl and do not believe to pay a gentlemen on a date" i will offer you to cook for me like it was done the old fashioned way.

All of that contradicts the FDS and you would for sure pass me by with your strategies.

But from all my friends in my age group i was the "best catch" for a SAHM living a luxury (submissive) careless life. And they all (even the "independent ones") want that.

As i never was the party type a groupie type of chick would never been happy at my side.

So before actually asking if FDS is manipulative (it is) you have to ask urself for the outcome and process you want for your life.

Then you can paint a mental picture of the guy and relationship you want.

Then you go on a manhunt. You have to be at the places where your potential prey is. You'll seldom find nerds at clubs and you seldom find rockstars at universities....

The chance you hit the one who is in your picture and also sents chills down your soul and makes your body shaking is rare but there.

Now your dilemma is to decide whether you cook for him or pay the date.

He might be away soon otherwise.....

Eastuss · 2020-07-15T11:48:01+00:00

I mean if you also believe TRP isn't manipulation I'm fine.

Otherwise for me to answer you'll have to tell me how TRP is manipulative, and I'll explain to you how FDS is all the same.

Grave_Heresy · 2020-07-15T21:50:20+00:00

I never understood how FDS was different from what all women do anyway.

2020-07-14T22:42:54+00:00

Manipulative or not, if you're a guy and you let some ugly autist scam you into buying her a happy meal you otherwise wouldn't, that's on you for being an undersexed idiot.

If you're gonna pay might as well find hotter girls to pay directly bruv.

"MuH lEgAlItY"

There's plenty of grey areas.

"Make porn"

Sugar date

Whatever it is, if you're tryna get that dick wet and you're paying even one dime in this veritable Gommorah (crazy how much that sounds like Gonnorhea) where guys are getting it in without even giving real names, much less paying a single red cent, might as well get your money's worth, which an ugly FDS autist most certainly ain't,

Chief.

NinjaOfTheSouth · 2020-07-14T22:00:55+00:00

Have guys actually said that on ppd

ARFARFMF · 2020-07-14T23:31:47+00:00

They're on that sub because they couldn't lock down chad so now they're trying to manipulate "HVM" (read: billy beta) to settle down. Idk why anyone's worried about being manipulated by them though cause their definition of a HVM is basically a simp.

LeJacquelope · 2020-07-15T04:36:49+00:00

FDS women are money vampires. They go on dates for free meals. They cheat on their boyfriends and husbands and generally lie through their teeth.

Anthony-waltzs · 2020-07-15T00:18:27+00:00

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How is FDS manupulative?

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