When TRPers talk about feminism vs when BP talks about TRP

Ercole-- · 2017-03-21T17:52:04+00:00

Then why does TRP call feminism misandrist and then use tumblrinas as example?

You don't need to Tumblr to illustrate a one sided political movement's one-sidedness. It's in the name.

Nucka574 · 2017-03-21T17:38:09+00:00

Third wave feminism isn't about equality. It's about the rise of women at the expense of men. This type of feminism is toxic to the detriment of society.

I am all for equality, but at this point in time its like society (at least in the US) is basically attempting to "pay" reparations for "oppressing" women at the expense of men.

DarkLord0chinChin · 2017-03-21T17:09:17+00:00

There is no sidebar of feminism /thread

Temperfuelmma · 2017-03-21T17:28:40+00:00

The "sidebar" of feminism is basically just women and men should be equal.

So Feminism wants to take away women's rights? Cos last time I checked women had more rights than men.

And some TRPers "well some famous feminists say toxic things too" and then cite feminists from 50 years ago.

Was the Women's march 50 years ago too?

Doesn't matter how you cut it. Feminism is cancer and more people are realizing it day by day, and they're subtly distancing themselves from the movement.

IFuckedZoeQuinn · 2017-03-21T18:14:47+00:00

Feminists have been actively writing anti-male policy for decades and have massive levels of influence in education and government. They simply have far more capacity to do damage than RedPill does. I don't need to point to tumblrinas in order to show how terrible feminism is. I just need to point to the Duluth Model, Dear Colleague Letter, VAWA, NOW's opposition of custody reform or any of the other hundreds of examples of feminists using their political power and wealth to take a fat shit on men.

Redpill is literally just some like-minded random people on the internet. I'm quite confident that you can't point me to a single example of a confirmed RedPiller abusing a position of political power to make laws that fuck women over. Feminists need to fuck off with their bullshit lie that Tumblrinas are the ones giving the movement a bad name. They need to work hard to clean up their movement and reverse the damage they've caused. Unfortunately they never will because the vast majority of feminists are misandrist cultists who utterly refuse to question their religion.

I'd also like to point out the absurdity of Blue Pillers getting up in arms about RedPill. RedPillers say a lot of misogynist things online and you freak the fuck out and create an entire sub dedicated to arguing against them and making fun of them. Meanwhile feminists are out there passing incredibly discriminatory laws against men and boys. The best example of this, the Duluth Model, which is still in effect in many states, claims that women who beat and abuse men are only doing it because those men were abusive to them in the past. It's ultimate victim blaming....and you guys don't give a fuck. Imagine if a gender-reversed version of this was passed by RedPill politicians. There would be national uproar. It really speaks to Blue Pill's gynocentrism that men saying mean things about women online is a million times more pressing than abused men being imprisoned for calling the police on their abusers. Pathetic.

alreadyredschool · 2017-03-21T18:03:21+00:00

What RP is: the guys in the comments who help the anger phasers deal with their anger and correct their ludicrous post.

What bp is: laughing at the stupidity of op in another sub and then conflating these guys with RP.

One thing these guys will say is "stop caring about feminism" or "lel mras". Feminism isn't really relevant.

Randommorningkiller · 2017-03-21T17:18:39+00:00

women and men should be equal

Implying this isn't toxic.

says_harsh_things · 2017-03-21T17:59:00+00:00

I try to point to or argue individual behaviors or ideas than broad sweeping labels.

Feminism and trp are so broad now that i dont argue them as a whole.

I like the idea that women should have an equal opportunity to show their capabilities as men. I dislike the idea that 'women should make up x% of y field because women'.

Same with trp. Some ideas i like, some ideas go too far. One poor idea doesnt invalidate everything under the umbrella, just as one good idea doesnt mean everything under the umbrella is correct.

despisedlove2 · 2017-03-21T18:51:27+00:00

The anger phase is an intrinsic part of RP. Whoever is denying that doesn't know what RP is.

TRP doesn't interest us.

Feminists enacting a misandrist agenda and legalizing robbery of male resources aren't in some anger phase. They are implementing a final solution of male values.

Despite the self serving advertisement, feminism is a social movement dedicated to the expansion of female power and reduction/elimination of female responsibility.

Your cute attempt at equating the male equivalent of a rape victim, and a cold calculating effort at destroying men is noted.

cholomite · 2017-03-21T17:12:53+00:00

Feminism is way more popular now than the red pill. Sure, there are extremes to both ideas, but I see the crazy feminists get validated by society and the media a lot more than I see the angry red pillers on the news getting praised for "standing up for themselves".

dakru · 2017-03-21T17:19:49+00:00

The "sidebar" of feminism is basically just women and men should be equal.

That definition of feminism is to the "TRP is just about self-improvement" definition of TRP.

The "sidebar" of feminism is made up of influential feminist texts and other material that comes from influential feminist authors/organizations. Feminism is for everybody: passionate politics (2000) by bell hooks would be somewhere on the "feminist sidebar".

And some TRPers "well some famous feminists say toxic things too" and then cite feminists from 50 years ago.

I don't think time should disqualify something as relevant. If someone said that they were a feminist because they read The Second Sex by Simone de Beauvoir and liked it, would you object due to the fact that it's almost 70 years old?

UA_Hammer · 2017-03-21T17:29:14+00:00

Criticizing Tumblr feminism is very basic and low hanging fruit "omg sjws are bad guys". The criticism goes to observable mainstream feminism and its effects

RP_EGO · 2017-03-22T00:27:39+00:00

Both sides are basically moronic reactionaries. BP is naive stupidity, RP is for narcissistic, easily manipulable, socially autistic people. BP is wrong but RP is misguided and probably dangerous.

The problem is people. 99% are idiots.

Electra_Cute · 2017-03-21T17:09:44+00:00

You are making the assumption that they care.

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breakfasttopiates · 2017-03-21T19:08:14+00:00

There's no discernable difference between a "real feminist" and a "tumblrina" because feminists refuse to define what feminism means beyond very vague ideas like equality

Returnofthemack3 · 2017-03-21T21:06:52+00:00

nah though. See, a lot of people talk about TRP and nit pick the anger phase stuff, or a few posters, and pretend it's one giant monolith, when it's clear that a lot of top contributers have highlighted that this isn't the case from time immemorial. You also have people using terms and theories incorrectly, which is a direct misrepresentation. It's wayyyyyy too easy to pick out stupiod shit from trp given it's laissez faire attitude to modding, so TBP becomes a meaningless endeavor.

Now, with feminism, you have outspoken people constantly spouting this shit 24/7, and you're trying to frame it as if it's only a few outliers. That is clearly not the case. Even relatively 'tame' feminists like Emma Watson are proving TRP's point on the regular. I don't think that were constantly bringing up valerie solernas as a main voice feminism or anything of that nature

Drippyskippy · 2017-03-21T22:12:04+00:00

The "sidebar" of feminism is basically just women and men should be equal.

Oh my bad, I guess I didn't know that when feminists pull fire alarms when men are discussing their issues that was just feminists saying that men and women should be equal.

EDIT: Oh my bad, I didn't know that when feminist organizations campaign against certain legislation that would bring more equality under the law, that was just feminists saying that men and women should be equal.

Just a couple of statistics to add to the article (because I know feminists are ignorant to men's issues). 80% of child custody battles, the woman gets primary custody, over 90% of alimony is paid by men (alimony is also for life in Florida).

FYI, the equality movement is called egalitarianism.

Princeso_Bubblegum · 2017-03-21T22:51:30+00:00

Feminism is a centuries old philosophical tradition, well within academia.

Red Pill is a decade old quest for fucking and spreading misogyny, whose study can be found on the blogs of crazy weirdos.

These things are not on an equal playing field, don't like terp garbage come off as ever more than it is: garbage.

daveofmars · 2017-03-21T23:52:42+00:00

Not even remotely equivalent.

The Feminists saying toxic things 50 years ago were college professors, academics and artists. TRP saying toxic things now are young guys in college who just realized being a Nice Guy wasn't the right path. I've love for you to explain how they are the same kind of people.

Macheako · 2017-03-22T01:50:24+00:00

BECAUSE NOBODY DEFINES WHAT IN THE HELL EQUAL MEANS lolol

Seriously. I'm so over this talk man. People ask and ask and ask and ask and ask and ask but NOBODY gives a concrete definition for what "Men and Women are Equal" means. Everyone a you BPers will avoid the subject, you'll dodge giving a concrete answer, and frankly man, it gets old.

Dudes in the TRP call it like they see it. Cept, the difference is they SEE shit better than BPers, cause again, BPers live in a constant state of denial. They're inner turmoil with reality and Truth makes it VERY hard for them to be honest. So they lie....a lot.

And TRP isn't perfect, at ALL lol. But they certainly are more honest than most BPers I know. So, what a TRP person "sees" is more likely, in my experience, to be closer to the Truth than what a BPers does.

Again. Living in denial does NOT bring one closer to the Truth lol

topapito · 2017-03-22T05:01:54+00:00

The following is equality.

Right to vote. Right to make choices. Right to make own decisions. Access to same services.

The right to same salaries is bullshit. The right to be firefighters, soldiers, and other jobs that they cannot physically perform is really bullshit. I guess that idiocy will end when people die because a woman firefighter could not carry the victim down the stairs or the woman soldier could not beat that other soldier in hand to hand combat.

These are physical and biological inferiorities and should influence who can do what. I would certainly hate to be in a fire and find out I have to carry out the woman firefighter.

We have to be realistic and stop these stupid fabrications of equality that make no fucking sense. I cannot fly a plane. So I have no business in the cockpit. I cannot have a baby, so I have no business asking to be allowed to receive an abortion.

spikeybumpy · 2017-03-22T06:58:07+00:00

Feminists never leave the anger phase.

FairlyNaive · 2017-03-22T09:05:56+00:00

Every discussion about "Feminist" or "TRP" or "MRA' position is pointless, because neither of this things have its holy book. Hell, even the movements that do have holy books argue constantly on the way to enterprit it. You can only say that person A holds position B on the issue C and than proceeds to discuss it. But thats way less fun than shitposting about something you dont particularly like.

the_calibre_cat · 2017-03-22T13:53:14+00:00

Not an unfair point, but T.R.P.ers aren't getting invited to the U.N. or various media outlets or government functions to "raise awareness" for their plight, while batshit insane feminists are.

poop_cat69 · 2017-03-22T18:03:07+00:00

why does TRP call feminism misandrist and then use tumblrinas as example

Because all they know about feminism they learned from tumblrinaction and their fellow antifeminist spergs on reddit. Then they assume they've learned all they need to about feminism. As a result they don't know shit about feminism, only the wacky "misandrist" (lol) straw-feminists they've built up in their heads and the handful of hate-targets that make the rounds everytime an individual feminist acts badly in public. There is literally not one TRP person I've seen who is well educated on the topic, and its not surprising given TRP's disdain for academia, the social sciences and learning in general.

"Some confused 15 year old kid on Tumblr said all PIV sex is rape! FUCKIN FEMINAZIS ALWAYS SHAMING HEALTHY MALE SEXUALITY^TM Feminism is a cancer! Take my opinions on feminism seriously, please!"

rufflethesefeathers · 2017-03-21T18:18:02+00:00

That's exactly my problem with RP. The belief that self improvement without improving society is meaningful because now I can bang a HB6 instead of a 4

Trp isn't even in the same league as feminism or men's lib or mra stuff and shouldn't be talked about in the same vein

Title	When TRPers talk about feminism vs when BP talks about TRP
Author	EliteSpartanRanger
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Date	March 21, 2017 5:04 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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