Why do women here constantly mistake TRP with blackpill?

NarniaFox · 2020-06-14T06:56:03+00:00

There are a lot of incels and guys who believe in the blackpill, my guess is that the recent posts are addressed to them, not to the red pillers.

2020-06-14T13:16:11+00:00

Most people come here with an agenda, and they make any statement and back it up with any logical fallacies that they can, often getting away with it.

Pastelitomaracucho · 2020-06-14T06:45:01+00:00

I mean yeah. But women are increasingly becoming more productive and surpassing men on that.

It's not that women will want men's money and commitment and men will decide not to give those things to men. It's that men will opt out of the game all together, not produce any wealth and automatically become uneligible for women, which we all know do not pair down, especially during hard economic times.

The men that don't opt out and keep on improving will be seen as a rarity and competition for them will be fiercer.

All of this is already happening.

Troy016 · 2020-06-14T15:17:04+00:00

I know , I see that argument in a lot of comments here “ women don’t owe men sex”.

I think it’s more or less like a power thing, since sex is the like the only way women control men.

Like fr no men on here says they deserve sex.

DicamVeritatem · 2020-06-14T07:42:00+00:00

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CyberJen · 2020-06-14T14:01:02+00:00

This whole it doesn’t happen because I don’t personally see it is getting ridiculous. Men use women for sex all time, they get ghosted after sex. Or plenty of men get pissy when you don’t give it to them because they where a decent human to you.

RedPill_is_a_cult · 2020-06-14T15:51:11+00:00

Kinda weird that bit gets thrown in about tax dollars. Like, do you think women shouldn't have access to tax money at all? Or just that dudes are going to kneecap their own earning potential just so they don't go into higher tax brackets so those evil, hypergamous women don't get more benefits from the state? Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

pooppeebuttmcnuggets · 2020-06-14T07:18:42+00:00

The economic output is going to decline from unrestarined female hypergamy and men will focus more on self sustaining work ethic to work for themselves instead of generating surplus labor that they used to produce for their family in the past.

This is becoming a trend in the most advanced first world countrys starting with Japan, and now beginning in the United States. However, you forget the fact that if this ever becomes a notable trend here in America we can and will just important third worlders who still have the burning desire to start a family and be worker drones. Non first generational immigrants from south america that get amnesty in the United States think their getting a sweet deal coming over here and working for chump change, and still want to have a family and with many kids might I add which is also why the white race will become a minority by 2050, probably sooner with the country taking a more and more progressive stance on immigration every year and wanting to import more and more. In order for japan to be the reality for the rest of the world every country would have to be a first world country for one, something we are pretty far behind on.

OXOzymandias · 2020-06-14T16:43:11+00:00

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Dodechaedron · 2020-06-14T09:58:37+00:00

Society is changing, whether we like it or not. It's pushed by many factors, i.e. economy, geopolitics, technology, availability of resources, to name a few. We can't live in the Victorian times or in the 1950's or in any other past. I am not a sociologist, but the reason for women's liberation in the XX in the western world century was that women took men's jobs in the factories, while the men were fighting the two world wars and, going forwards, it was not acceptable to treat women as 2nd class citizens. The society nowadays demands both parents to work, therefore the equality, from any legal standpoint is a necessity. What the men rights movement claims is that, in case of divorce, the court is always biased towards the woman might be true: this, however, depends on the country/state legislation, and, unless the right to vote was removed from women, their interests will be represented by the vote they cast in the ballot box (if they are the 50% of the population, if not slightly more). When it comes to the inter-sexual dynamics, the preferences of the counterparts are dictated both by social pressure and by primeval instincts (maybe also by pheromones). The archetypal male and female laws of attraction have been debated in all degrees of depth. Yes, they apply, to an extent: at some point a conscious decision can always be made.

If some individuals decide that they want to opt-out from the rat race, this is perfectly fine, if they can support themselves. I have friends who run their own business as craftsmen, don't work 9-5 in an office/factory, accept work only if they want to and live perfectly within their means. Others choose to live a monk life, or want to pursue some sort of auto isolation (e.g. the Amish), but these are a fringe minority. Ultimately we can swim or sink and we are responsible of our choices, given the society we have. You don't like it? Get into politics and get elected: if you succeed you might achieve some of the results you like. You don't want to be engaged in politics? Fine, politics will take care of you, regardless.

DubsPackage · 2020-06-14T21:47:38+00:00

Incels have invaded the whole manosphere.

We used to have mgtow, mra's, pua's and incels.

Now incels are everywhere, in everything.

"Hi I'm a virgin can I still be mgtow?"

"Sure m8"

Not saying you can't be both, but at a certain point the message changes from like...going out and enjoying your life (mgtow) to just griping about women all day at your keyboard (incel/mgtow.)

Stop giving a shit about women.

If you're getting any or not getting any, stop. giving. a. shit. about. women.

They are not that important and never were.

staypositivebrad · 2020-06-14T09:16:49+00:00

Blackpill hold red pill beliefs, but they think red pill is awful and that women are awful for allowing red pill to work on them.

It's the same philosophy but different reaction to it

Asbelowsoaboveme · 2020-06-14T16:06:15+00:00

Because angry thirsty men all look the same to us - they look like potential rapists that want to take our rights away because we won’t fuck them.

If I’m hiking in the woods and I encounter a black bear or a brown bear, I’d react the same, even though those are two different animals. They’re both predators and potential threats that probably want to eat me. All manospherians and misogynists are threats to womankind

LillthOfBabylon · 2020-06-14T16:14:06+00:00

There is nothing you have said thats any different from “black pills”.

Why do women here constantly mistake TRP with blackpill?

Because both groups are insufferable to the average person.

I am talking about that recent thread "Its not women's responsiblity to have sex..."

Then stop complaining about “ALL DA SEX GO TO CHAD!”

TRP already made its stance very clear: Enjoy the decline.

That’s very black pill and emo.

Why do women here constantly project about men "wanting" to owe them sex? or other discredited claims like that?

Why are you whining about it? Who cares if Chad’s fucked 1000 girls? Who cares that Stacy wont fuck you? Who cares?

tax dollars to skim off productive men. Sounds like perfectly fair deal to me.

Women also pay taxes.

gigababejfl · 2020-06-14T08:38:39+00:00

I have seen many Red Pillers who support enforced monogamy ad taking away women's choice...

WayOutWest19 · 2020-06-14T07:36:47+00:00

There’s no real difference between TRP and blackpill. Sure, they disagree on “solutions,” but they hold the exact same views on women and society - so it’s like 95% agreement. The implication of “enjoy the decline” is that society would be better off structured some other way. That naturally raises the question of what would be better - should women be forced to have sex with men they don’t want to have sex with? That’s what “enforced monogamy” - socially enforced or other - would essentially do. The implication of supporting that, is that is women owe men sex, and that responsibility takes precedence over, you know, women’s thoughts and feelings. It’s not an unreasonable question.

mandoa_sky · 2020-06-14T12:47:24+00:00

"enjoy is decline" IS what nihilism / the black pill is all about

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oldguy_1981 · 2020-06-14T14:30:58+00:00

It's because they associate incels with "nice guys" and beta related behavior, then they believe that TRP is evil so they also associate them with that. I'm willing to paint with a broad brush here and say that every woman that grew up in a 1st world country has experienced at least a few instances of this.

And this is key - they literally despise these people.

Ordinate1 · 2020-06-14T14:46:09+00:00

Men are not owed sex from women, and women are not owed commitment or tax dollars to skim off productive men. Sounds like perfectly fair deal to me.

Sure, but women are not having it.

Workaholiconew · 2020-06-14T19:33:48+00:00

That is called a strawman and self serving bias, my boy,

Ideologues and socially oriented people do not care what truth is, if you are not for their benefit, you are against them, and should be eliminated. They disregard benefits or ideas of about anyone. To them, any men who is not working for them, is evil. For some fucking reason.

That is just how ideologues are.

guavaberries3 · 2020-06-15T00:35:13+00:00

Honestly I don’t even understand what the black pill is or what the purple pill is. I found this sub Reddit and I like the discussions here so maybe I’m purple pill. Can someone describe the differences? I thought used mostly align with the red pill but I think it was primarily around Machiavellian thoughts

Silverfox17421 · 2020-06-15T04:50:37+00:00

Easy. I hate to say it, but female thinking is rather rudimentary and simplistic in a sense, and it is all based on emotions. Most everything coming out of a woman's mouth has an emotional tail back there somewhere. Women are just as smart as men, but they are not intellectuals. The dry, airy world of pure thought is not a place for women, and the few women there are often lesbians.

Also women are not particularly logical or rational; instead they are impressionistic and intuitive. Two different ways of making sense of the world.

Most of women's concepts are not so much thought-out scientific truths (women haven't much need for science) but rationalizations (via the hamster) designed to make them feel better about this, that, or whatever. Women are also utopians in that they think the world works in this pretty way women want it to work. But it doesn't. So women say reality isn't reality and instead the female (fake) version of reality is truth. I believe that women are actively hostile to logic and reason but this things so often disprove the things they want to believe in.

Women: If I believe in it (because it makes me feel good) it is true. Logic and reason are the enemy because they turn a lot of the things I believe in into lies and that means I can't believe in them anymore.

There the truth is not the truth, reality isn't real, we have alternative facts, and the hamster wheel spins on and on.

The answer to OP's question is simple: Women see Blackpillers and Redpillers as the enemy, sadly with quite a bit of good reason. Redpill is inherently misogynistic. Blackpill isn't, but it makes women look like monsters, so it may as well. Obviously women see misogynists as their enemies. Do you blame them?

Women's thinking (emotional logic):

Redpillers are misogynists, they are my enemies, and I really hate them.

Blackpillers are misogynists, they are my enemies, and I really hate them.

Therefore, redpillers and blackpillers are the same thing.

Obviously that laughable fails even Logic 101, but women could care less. And yes, women actually do think in this profoundly irrational, emotionally-driven way. It's not logic and reason. It's emotional logic and reason. Two different things.

I have devoted the last 40 years of my life to the study of Women and not much else. These are my conclusions.

Protocol_Apollo · 2020-06-15T05:15:40+00:00

Easier to discredit and convince people to not go red.

Sid_Insidious · 2020-06-15T05:32:15+00:00

Men are not owed sex from women, and women are not owed commitment or tax dollars to skim off productive men. Sounds like perfectly fair deal to me.

Except women have succeeded in getting Beta provisioning from big-daddy gubmint through taxation, while "Beta Brad" is out of a job. Why fuck Brad for money when she can get a cheque from Big Daddy?

RimbaudsRevenge · 2020-06-15T09:29:30+00:00

I think a lot of women saying "Its not women's responsiblity to have sex..." do so as a self reminder. Because a lot of them have a mental reflex to first ask themselves what they owe to the collective. They are either innately less individualist or have been brought up as such (probably a bit of both). The indoctrination starts early. I remember preschool and onwards, where female teacher is talking about playing nice, always do what you're told, minding everyone's feelings, deny individualism, propagate mediocre collectivism etc. It wasn't done in a way to indoctrinate little boys so we got away, but the little girls sat and absorbed it like sponges. This became a handicap they carry through life.

This is key to understanding why women get angry when you signal how you will step away as far as you can from ordained collectivism (Won't watch mainstream media, not invest in corrupt societal structures, maybe do some tax evasion etc, not strive for the things everyone should supposedly covet)

That's enough to cause ire, and the response "It's because you're an INCEL, aren't you? Huh! Angry because women don't want to sleep with you!?!" It's a pathetic last ditch attempt to try to goad men back into indoctrination and collectivism. It's basically "Assimilate, do as you're told and you'll get laid" in a roundabout way.

The "entitlement" they fear isn't about sex but the actual liberty to come and go as you please, unfettered. Noone can force you to sit in on round table discussion where everyone is made to synchronize their opinions, beliefs, and wants. Hell, they might even get upset about the fact that a lot of men have stopped putting value in shit that everyone's "supposed to strive for", become a career junkie, get a bigger place to live, buy a lot of shit (but donate to charity and spout PC-platitudes as a guilt vent), getting status so you can hang out with spoiled assholes etc. Oh! and celebrity life must be regarded as glamorous!

Celebrity worship is a toxic effeminate quality. Independent people don't accept leaders without very good reason, and those sure as fuck ain't actors and singers.

When you see women who are not like this, that they have very individual thinking with lots of nuance, you can bet your ass she was a bully victim as a child. She got out of the collective socialization early and should in spite of trauma consider herself damn lucky. If bitterness didn't drown her, that girl is someone you should get to know.

We talk a lot about how bad it is with boys not having decent/effective role models, but I think it's time to talk about how the teachers are an even worse influence on girls. Girls need to go out in the woods, make up their own rules, and find out who they are irrespective of anybody else. Same as we did.

Appomattoxx · 2020-06-15T16:35:22+00:00

Prostitution is our future.

lady_pirate · 2020-06-15T17:20:38+00:00

Sorry what are TRP & blackpill?

ThatGirl50 · 2020-06-15T19:04:04+00:00

Because what I have hundreds of men clamour for, what they have well....

There’s a million of you and only one of me :)

Silverfox17421 · 2020-06-15T05:26:08+00:00

Why do women here constantly project about men "wanting" to owe them sex?

First, it has been utterly unhelpful that at least some of these guys have advocated just that by promoting rape, demanding that the state give them a woman, etc. Of course the majority of both groups rejects these things.

Women are not projecting because women (sadly) don't demand that we men give them sex. Instead it is Denial (reality isn't real) and Rationalization (an alternate false reality is what's real), plus some Demonization. Denial because it's women's favorite defense, and Rationalization is of course via the usual Rationalization Hamster in women's brains who explains everything for them.

Because this is the way that women want to see Redpill and Blackpill, two frankly misogynistic movements. Women think misogyny is evil. Everyone demonizes their enemies. Even Hitler wasn't bad enough. His enemies had to make up a bunch of crap about him that wasn't even true. As if what he did was not bad enough!

Redpillers and Blackpillers are misogynists, and they are also my enemies.

Misogynists are evil, and all misogynists are my enemies.

Evil people, as in enemies, always do bad things and never do good things.

People who do bad things do all bad things, no exceptions.

Demanding sex from women is a very bad thing.

Being bad people who do all bad things, therefore Redpillers and Blackpillers demand sex from women.

In addition, women do not want to see these enemies as rational or good in any way. If people see Redpillers and Blackpillers as good or rational, this will empower and grow their philosophy. Their philosophy is the enemy. Therefore, we cannot admit that there is anything good about our enemies for fear or empowering them.

Women engage in an immature child-like defense called Splitting all the time.

My enemies are 100% bad, 0% good.

Redpillers and blackpillers are 100% bad, 0% good.

When we describe our enemies, we emphasize everything bad about them and say nothing good about them because there is nothing good to say. While we are at it, let's make up a bunch of crap about them, who cares if it's true or not, even if they didn't do it they probably thought about it, more hamstering, etc.

"Redpillers and Blackpillers demand sex from women" makes these enemies of women look very bad. Few people would agree with such a nasty, gross, selfish, and rapey concept. So women say let's say this about our enemies to make them seem evil so we will win the intellectual debate and they will lose.

Female "logic," or "emotional logic" as I call it.

Woman: How do I decide what is true and what is false? The world is so confusing! I'm anxious, upset and I feel bad!

Solution: Ah! I figured out a way to determine truth from falsehood. I feel so much better now and I'm way less anxious and upset, and now I feel good.

Does it help my enemies win? It's false.

Does it help my side win? It's true.

Title	Why do women here constantly mistake TRP with blackpill?
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