Study Says Women 77% as Productive As Men

jab1023 · 2016-08-26T04:20:52+00:00

Interesting timing of this post.

Today my desk was moved to where our management team is (obvious to everyone.) I also got double the standard pay raise (just found out today, only management and I know) There was a lot of good-natured "You're moving up in the world," stuff.

Then one a female coworker had to insinuate I was successful because I was a man.

Maybe I'm successful because I show up for work, don't take a sick day once a week, don't run around like the fucking world is ending when I'm busy, and prioritize my shit like a fucking adult.

Or just because I'm a dude.

Either way: Fucking deal with it.

proxy_n00b · 2016-08-26T00:17:27+00:00

Interesting read, but in the service of thoroughness, it's worth point out that the study also said that women's baseline cognitive function tended to be higher than men's, so from an employer's perspective this information is a double edged sword. (Of course, cognitive function is useless if the worker in question in being too over emotional to actually get anything done, or is a disruptive influence on the workplace.

BluepillProfessor · 2016-08-26T02:01:15+00:00

Yet they make 79 Cents on the dollar.

I always tell my classes: Imagine a company with a Billion in revenue and 500,000,000.00 in employee costs with just $100,000,000.00 in profit.

That company could save more than $100,000,000.00 and DOUBLE their profits simply by firing all the men, hiring women and paying them 79 cents on the dollar.

I let it go until somebody "gets it."

"Wait, but that assumes the women you hire and pay less are going to do the same amount of work as the men."

Yes, yes it does. So IF the meme of women being paid less than they are worth is true.....THEN why hasn't any company pursued this winning strategy? There are tens of thousands of companies. Why hasn't even one of them tried this?

The bratty girls always lose their shit when I tell them: "The market determines your value. If you are being paid 79 cents on the dollar as a group, this means your group does about 79% of the work as the group that gets paid 100%.

The bitches fume and complain but they have no answer because there is no answer. It is the truth.

TermsOfColors · 2016-08-25T23:37:35+00:00

In my current gig, it's been a brutal mental exercise coaxing proper requirements out of the two female BA's that are assigned to the project. Even after working in this company and in this department for more than 20 years between them, I get the impression they are nearly clueless about the workflows and processes that move information through their little corner of the business. I get blatantly wrong information, I get conflicting information between them and they often contradict themselves from sentence to sentence on the simplest concepts.

My point is, it's not just that they are unproductive in their own roles. They often are a drag on the productivity of those around them. It has been a Herculean effort on my part just maintaining my sanity. But hey, like they say, "It's your dime". If I didn't bill by the hour I would've quit that motherfucker months ago.

razormachine · 2016-08-26T00:19:11+00:00

Of course, it's not what happens in the real world: men and women are paid the same for the same job. But women provide 77 percent less.

Yes but since her grandmother was oppressed by her grandfather she should get more money then you. You misogynistic scum.

theneoroot · 2016-08-26T02:14:59+00:00

Study Says Women 77% as Productive As Men

But women provide 77 percent less

Did you work over 60 hours this week? Because your cognitive function seems low today. Whatever, that can be said to be a brainfart of yours, but this:

60 hours that men can work translates into 46 hours that women can work

Are you actually this dumb? The article didn't say shit about men only being able to do a 55-60 hour week and women a 45-50 one, that's how long they can mantain peak function. Not only that but 55-60 for men morphed to 60 and 45-50 morphed to 46?

Keep your emotions out of science trp threads, you're not a woman, use logic.

justinjj1 · 2016-08-26T01:38:26+00:00

Anybody who actually works with women know that they don't even really work but maybe 30% of the time. The rest of the time they sit around and gossip and chat with each other.

bsutansalt · 2016-08-26T04:02:26+00:00

It's not that they provide 77% less, it's that they have a workload capacity that's 77% of what men have. It's interesting that this mental toughness is right on par with women's physical strength to men's.

juliusstreicher · 2016-08-26T04:46:17+00:00

Can anybody help me out? I'm looking for a researcher who is soon to be expelled/fired, and I can't imagine where to look...

InformalCriticism · 2016-08-26T11:51:05+00:00

I work for the government and this has been my experience.

The women get by with not knowing how to do their job, not knowing how to use computers, and lying to supervisors about their productivity (or reasons for lacking it).

Most of these women, because they have years and years of federal service are compensated at a higher rate than me, and I'm outperforming them with less than a year in their field. They are paid more and given more time off per pay period.

One of the senior managers, however, has said the cream does rise to the top, it just takes time. Yet, in the same conversation he will encourage me to find employment elsewhere, because he recognizes the ridiculousness of them.

Even the operations manager of the division, when addressing a group of us new hires - all male - he mentioned the fact that almost all the problems that we faced in our office were caused by women.

At first, I thought that candor was pretty unprofessional. I still do, but he wasn't saying it just to be some kind of sexist. They are slow, and they slow everyone around them down; they're force dividers instead of force multipliers.

VasiliyZaitzev · 2016-08-26T00:10:25+00:00

Study Says Women 77% as Productive As Men

Wage Gap, Justified.

(And yes, I know it's not really $0.77. The joke was there.)

AlerioX · 2016-08-26T08:28:15+00:00

Yesterday I was visiting my doctor just asking about a vaccine.
She was building up a 67 minute conversation while it could have been done in under three minutes.
Yeah, they aren't that productive.
Never happended to me with a male doctor.

beginner_ · 2016-08-26T09:17:52+00:00

Yeah but lets be realistic, how many people do work 60 hrs? It's high level manager or people that need 2 jobs because they have no education. You should not be in one of these situation and in the other one you can actually take an influence on that by only hiring men.

microwave44 · 2016-08-26T12:49:28+00:00

It's time to end all this discussion about the wage gap

Nobody talks about the SPENDING GAP

I'm talking about the billions of women that are control freaks and get under the skin of their hubbies and get to control the household spending, giving away over 80% of what the man earns on useless shit like makeup (pareto principle, a 50$ rimmel and coenzima Q10 creams won't make you look better when you're a fatass that looks perpetually pregnant) home decoration and junk food for children. Someone once said that if you want to get rich, make a business that caters to women, just look at how facebook and telephone companies are enhancing their frame.

Guys talk

<ring> Guy 1: Hey bro how are you

Guy2: Great, just finished gym

Guy1: Super, meet at 7 for drinks?

Guy2: I'll be there at half past 7, gotta pick some food and my tinder girl

Guy1: See you there

<end>

Women

<<endless conversation about bullshit>>

Never let a woman control spending of money you earned. Heck, not even hers in some situations.

MrChadthunderc0ck · 2016-08-26T02:22:01+00:00

That's shit and they know it. The only thing getting done during work hours by women is FB, SC, IG, and cat videos

PedophilePriest · 2016-08-26T11:05:34+00:00

I don't want to disparage here, but your example is far from ubiquitous.

Women aren't paid less for doing the same job, they are paid less for holding lower positions...

In my lab there are 6 men to 2 women, and those women work there asses off, and absolutely do more work then the men. Mostly because they lack prioritization skills, they think that everything is important when it's clearly not.

Are these outliers? of course, but women get paid less more so for how their brain works rather than their work ethic.

TyrannyVengeance · 2016-08-26T15:53:23+00:00

HAHAHAHA. No, exceptional women are 77 percent as productive as average men. I know zero women even close to fucking 50 percent as productive as I am, and our office is littered with them.

Staple_Stable · 2016-08-26T01:37:33+00:00

study says women 77% as productive as men

The study doesn't say that at all. If anything, it says the opposite, women have higher productivity (if productivity = cognition, like the article seems to suggest), it just drops off faster. The study also says that women and men have basically the same baseline cognitive level.

It does suggest that men have higher productivity levels if you compare them to women, after working around ~50 hour weeks, but how much so is entirely unclear based off the article. Also, because women have higher productivity levels at lower hours of work per week, its entirely unclear at what point men would be more productive than women for the total week.

michael_wilkins · 2016-08-26T02:54:53+00:00

What does "Cognitive function" refer to exactly?

suske127 · 2016-08-26T14:39:50+00:00

First I would like to say, women make 96 cents to a mans dollar in the USA when equal job type, positions, titles, education, and experience are compared.

Second, I would like to say the logic of this post is pretty terrible because most people work 40-48 hours a week, not 60. So even if a woman is working 8 hours a day, 6 days per week with a single day off, she is still apparently not going over her "productivity limit" for the week, by the logic of this study.

I hate statistics and feminism and all that bullshit in general but here you are simply twisting and manipulating things like they do, in order to help a different cause. You can't beat evil with more evil. Be honest

Eltiah · 2016-08-26T14:47:16+00:00

The gender wage gap doesnt mean women get PAID less, its that women EARN less, on average. Discrimination, or the difference in pay related only to gender, explains a veery small part of that wage gap. Some argue the wage gap is more like 92 cents on the dollar. The real factors in the gender wage gap is workforce labor participation rates. Although women obtain more education overall, they earn less because of materntal responsibilities.

MattyAnon · 2016-08-26T14:54:04+00:00

77%? As high as that?

Seriously though, the relative amount you can work before cognitive decline isn't the same as your relative productivity. Let's not start making up statistics.

There IS a productivity gap, but it's not as high as 77%.

We only need facts, we don't need to make up misleading statistics.

allnamesfckintaken · 2016-08-26T14:59:51+00:00

anyone who isnt full of shit already knew women were inferior to men physically and mentally. you don't need a study for it. 10000 years of human history have already proven this. you think when people were just farmers that men managed to oppress women so much that they couldn't invent jack shit but men could? give me a break. they're not only less productive, they have less drive, less intelligence and less curiosity about the natural world. even today, women are only better at men when it comes to social bullshit. that's it. that's basically all they're doing right now too. crying and complaining and social work. even in politics women don't have the guts to beat men. even after decades of equal educational opportunities, they're still piling onto social jobs. now they're even trying to blame that on men. fucking ridiculous.

WeAreAnimal · 2016-08-26T18:51:33+00:00

As a male who works like a female I win the equality race! Hah suck it!

The-Animus · 2016-08-26T23:57:28+00:00

Yes, fire back with this study so they can look at it themselves and realize you're scientifically illiterate. This study does not say what OP seems to think it does.

Edited To Add: In all seriousness this thread is 5th from the top, has 400 upvotes. This is the kind of shit that makes TRP look bad.

Traz_Onmale · 2016-08-26T06:39:09+00:00

The news article also states that the peak cognitive function is higher in women than in men. Does that mean that women should be paid more than men if both are working normal hours?

nevva_Again · 2016-08-26T03:46:18+00:00

Yes.

All the facts and studies are proving that the ''wage gap'' is a lie.
Except that women and feminists do not care about facts and studies.

Do not waste your time arguing with them with facts and figures.

They don't care about the truth, they are only interested in pushing their agenda. They. Just. Don't. Care.

Branhalir · 2016-08-26T03:54:46+00:00

But women provide 77 percent less.

Euh, no, either your math is off or your mind was having a brainfart. If men provide 100 percent, and women provide 77 percent, then women provide 23 percent less, not 77 percent less.

Edit: After reading the article, I also want to add that nowhere did it say anything about women providing more or less.

toothemoon8 · 2016-08-26T23:13:59+00:00

Lol I'm a girl and I can do better math than you. You know, because I have a college degree revolving around statistics. It was embarrassing to watch you try and interpret the study. I'm laughing at you and feel sorry for you at the same time. But you keep at it cutie ;) head pat*

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Magnum256 · 2016-08-26T11:42:57+00:00

But the average work week is ~40-45 hours (5x8) so both men and women should be operating at comparable levels during the average work week and so equal pay is justified in such cases.

aazav · 2016-08-26T13:12:35+00:00

Then they should get 77% as much as a man makes.

PaperStreetVilla · 2016-08-26T13:49:57+00:00

Get out of their frame.

The argument isn't whether 77cents is true or not, because that assumes validity.

The argument is whether children should be allowed to engage the media

Kalepsis · 2016-08-26T14:27:06+00:00

I can't fucking stand that damn $.77 statistic. There are so many unaccounted-for variables.

How many female coal miners in the US make the same wage as males? Trick question; there are none. How about female construction workers? Hot-tar roofers? Sewer cleaners? Truck mechanics?

Holyburrito · 2016-08-26T15:00:23+00:00

The 79 cent statistic is false and cites itself. Women work fewer hours at the same job because the normally value their time away from work more than men do and can afford to if they are dating or married to someone providing for them.

DatGrass14 · 2016-08-26T15:00:29+00:00

AND they get paid the same

StopShadowbanningMe_ · 2016-08-26T15:38:40+00:00

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What is this?

andres7832 · 2016-08-26T15:39:31+00:00

This is not the reason the 70% pay for women is BS, it is because the calculation of that ratio was to take all the earnings from men and divide by the number of men, and do the same thing for women. It did not take into account profession, time off for childbearing/rearing, education, overtime, etc.
The 70% ratio has nothing to do with this statistic, since in theory men and women should be working the same amount of hours (equal work, equal pay) To say, well, men work more hours before our production drops off doesnt defend the argument well.
But women provide 77 percent less. The next time someone quotes that statistic, fire back this study.

They provide 23% less, as they do provide 77% of a man's work before dropoff. In theory. I would still not argue with a woman with this study as proof of anything.

CounterTony · 2016-08-26T16:56:11+00:00

Using a study about cognitive function and productive capacity is irrelevant to the topic of the Wage Gap, because there is no Wage Gap; men and women are paid the same rate for the same quality of work performed, with variances being primarily related to who you know, how confident/aggressive you are in pursuing raises or claiming credit for things, and how attractive you are. If a woman leaves the industry for 10 years to raise her kids and comes back, she should not be expected to be paid at the same rate as someone else because she has simply not kept up with industry changes during that time frame. Likewise, if a woman takes credit for work she performs and there's a shy guy who wants to share credit with everyone, the woman is expected to make more (her contributions to her employer are more apparent).

While there is no Wage Gap, there is an Earnings Gap, and that is what all of the studies about wages are actually measuring. The reason why it appears that men make more $$$ than women for the same job is because the wages of those in the studies are not reflective of hours worked, years of experience, or any of the other reasons I mentioned above. In the United States, "full-time" Is generally classified as 35-hour workweeks; I and most of my peers are working, on average, 50 hours a week. And in my industry, men and women have very similar salaries, with variances being attributed primarily to merit (plenty of women make more than I do, and I make more than plenty of others; however, we all make "more or less" the same within a few grand).

So please stop posting studies to "justify" the Wage Gap, because there isn't one!

i_have_a_semicolon · 2016-08-26T16:59:32+00:00

Your title is misleading. This only applies to people who are working or expected to work over 40 hours a week.

the_red_monk · 2016-08-26T19:07:06+00:00

While that would be nice, no amount of "reasoning" with feminists has ever been fruitful for me. If anything it just communicates that you're in their frame. A lot of the "science" that feminism is based on isn't really science at all. You can't argue with an ideology. That's what it is, an ideology, even if it's supported by "science" which is just fog and mirrors if you ask me.

I wish it were as simple as quoting studies to counter feminist "facts." But it's not that simple.

What it boils down to is it's a game of power. Women are playing a game of power and winning in our society today. And they seem to be doing a better job of it because they've cut us down at the legs.

To push back we need to play the game of power that is to say use Machiavellian tactics. Deception, duplicity, and spinning the ideology so our bidding is done unknowingly by the feminist elite.

I could go on, but if only it were as simple as using reason, logic, and objectivity to contradict the feminist agenda. That's because the "facts" are just a tool and not actually real facts. They never were.

To win this, we're going to have to play the game of power better than them. And science or facts have nothing to do with it.

[deleted] · 2016-08-26T21:52:09+00:00

Your math understates the true productivity gap because it assumes that women are just as productive as men during core working hours. The thousands of unproductive hours I've spent in meetings with female clients, bosses and co-workers suggests otherwise.

gtypoDD22 · 2016-08-27T14:59:01+00:00

I hire people, and I prefer to hire women - his is why I think any sort of employment "sexism" against females is BS. If you give me an equally qualified woman and an equally qualified man I will hire the woman any day of the week. Double points if she is Asian. You guys only see things from the wage slave point of view, but from my perspective as a boss, men may be more skilled but women are much easier to work with.

Last week I had a guy I hired try and extort me with confidential info. Needless to say, I am only hiring women from now on. Female employees are like sheep, if you know how to herd them you will be fine. Male employees are like dogs, volatile and hard to control.

[deleted] · 2016-08-28T02:32:55+00:00

I swear women exist to answer the phone and immediately put me on hold and find a man answer my question

SummertimeMelancholy · 2016-08-26T03:13:32+00:00

LRM research from LRM researchers in a LRM university published in nowhere... I'm sure this is a research of high quality with good methodology.

Moneyley · 2016-08-26T14:08:57+00:00

Id like to chime in with additional input that would make the 77 cents they get, even less.

Women like to give birth, most of the times they dont give a fuck to who, some alpha dude fucks and dumps and they're ok with that.

Unfortunately, that decision carries over to employment. Immediately days off for morning sickness, next production slows down because everybody is nice to her, she's gonna have a baby, all the women in the office can relate. Its a special accomplishment to open your legs and let some dude (most of the times random) bust his load on them. Next, her productivity drops....shes pregnant so she does not need to handle the extra stress, management has to agree with this theory nowadays so they downgrade her tasks to more remedial projects: filing folders, removing staples from documents and shit. Meanwhile, everybody else that's at work has to carry her load. Wait, she's not done, prenatal appointments come next. Missing days for that. All this time off has got her exhausted, time for short term disability or fmla. This is probably the most appropriate compensation for the work she does, she now gets 60% of her paycheck while she's out. At my job, including myself, there are 3 men for 12 women. On any given day 3-5 of the women are out. My two buddies and me are as faithful to being on point every day as a sick dog. If two of us are out on any given day....the call center goes into MAYDAY mode. They deserve way less than 77c on the dollar we make.

crimmson_ghost · 2016-08-26T17:26:31+00:00

Good points but I would say instead of "firing back with the study" utilize laws 4 and 38 and stfu about it. In this SJW climate better to blend in at work than stand out.

TropicalMermaid · 2016-08-29T13:57:24+00:00

I'm a woman who runs my own business, works more than 40 hours a week, and has my own place to live, my own car, and pays all of my own bills. I rely on no one else to support me. So yes, I can say that I DO work hard and put forth a lot of effort.

nonthaki · 2016-08-26T04:35:03+00:00

Water fills nearly 77% of Earth. :o . OMG , Earth is discriminating Water . (-_-) smh . Fucking female Logic

Title	Study Says Women 77% as Productive As Men
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Date	August 25, 2016 11:27 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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