The "Real" Red Pill: If we're not getting them pregnant, is sex just a fancy way to jerk off? Existential crisis

The_Phoenecian · 2018-08-09T02:41:21+00:00

Fantastic discussion topic in my opinion. Hormonally speaking, I know that having sex with a real woman releases a plethora of endorphins and neurotransmitters in the brain that are not released when you jerk off. That being said, I think the vast majority of sex that is had is a masturbatory endeavor, in the sense that it is solely engaged in for the pleasure of the two (or more) individuals involved. It's an expenditure of large amounts of energy for personal gain with no real tangible benefit to society or to the individual long-term. Having a bunch of sex doesn't get you any further in life, it just makes you more sexually experienced and (hopefully) better at sex. It doesn't get you a better job, it doesn't make you smarter, it doesn't make you better looking. If it doesn't end in the conception of a baby, It's essentially masturbatory.

I believe very strongly in human beings' propensity to transmute their sexual energy and utilize it in other endeavors. Mike Tyson didn't have sex for 5 years when he was at the absolute top of his game. Nikola Tesla was celibate and swore that his lack of sexual release contributed to his mental acuity and mathematical capabilities. Isaac Newton was celibate. Steve Jobs wouldn't cum when having sex with his girlfriend because he "needed that energy to generate wealth and power." Many great men throughout history have shunned sexual conquest in the interest of dedicating their time and energy to something they deem more important. Getting girls in bed regularly takes a lot of time and energy. Having a girlfriend takes a lot of time and energy.

Here's my potentially un-popular opinion: Society is so oversexed because the powers that be want men to be sex addicts whose sole purpose in life is to have as much sex with women, or men, fleshlights or donkeys as possible. They want men to jerk off as much as possible. They want there to be a fuckton of porn out there, and they want it to be as accessible as possible. It doesn't matter how men get their release, so long as they are addicted to sex and orgasm and forever unable to harness their sexual energy and transmute it to something else. I believe sexual transmutation can give men the ability to cause severe civil unrest and social disruption. It can also give men the ability to create great and amazing things.

For reference - Kundalini Yoga & Tantra.

zyqkvx · 2018-08-08T18:41:02+00:00

existential dread is like feeling suicidal. They make sense in their own bubble but is universally seen from the outside as a shortsighted petty pity party of one. It doesn't take much of a mission to stay clear of that. We don't know any of the things we demand ourselves to know, like the afterlife, or the importance of offspring.

Eat clean, go to the gym and do sets awhile you figure out your existentialism so 3 months from now the world is your oyster instead of 3 months of wasting away. Keep it simple: 3 months from now will come. Take a trip to the mountains and you will realize you are anywhere you put yourself.

Seaghan88 · 2018-08-08T17:56:50+00:00

Sex is good. Sex is fun. It's hardcoded into us as men to desire sex and make the steps to fulfill this desire. So of course when there's an opportunity for casual sex, without the repercussions of the past (procreation), we're going to want it.

But this only goes so far. Personally, I want to have sons one day. I have a lot of respect for my father and the fathers who came before him, so I'd see it as letting them down if I didn't continue this tradition. It's more cultural than anything.

I can see why some men don't want children. Perhaps they prefer maintaining 100% control over their own lives, and you relinquish a bit of this control when you father children.

If you don't want children, and you still feel unfulfilled, why not seek out some other interests? Why not build a business or go travelling? TRP is a means to an end, not an end in itself. A man can take what he wants.

LowSpecTea · 2018-08-08T18:01:00+00:00

This really evolves into a more "what is the purpose of anything we do in life?" for just about all our actions.

And that is a different rabbit hole altogether.

From a surface level:

You are a human being and thus a part of a society. Society has said that having sex with women is not a fancy jerking off-it's a separate activity and rightfully so- it involves so much effort and understanding power, game, and bunch of other little nuances. Jerking off is deriving genital pleasure from yourself, the sheer inclusion of another person in the activity would make it something for both of you..no?

Hence it's not just you anymore and thus not jerking off.

From your deeper perspective:

I could say the exact same thing about becoming a pro athlete-isn't it just a fancy way of playing games?

About becoming an actor- isn't that just a fancy way to lie about who you are?

About politics- a fancy popularity contest of sorts...

ETC

Sometimes you gotta step back from being too meta and take the frameworks of society as they are. not all frameworks that society gives are bad- you just have know what they truly are and play the game accordingly to your own desires for said framework.

Thotwrecker · 2018-08-09T09:05:22+00:00

Weaker men need to have sex to build confidence. Building confidence will make them stronger men in the long run.

Stronger men can take or leave sex, and when they do have sex, they actually are doing it out of wanting to fuck the girl, to enjoy the act of sex. Not out of a desire to validate themselves, feel cool, look badass to male friends, prove that they "got revenge" on the bitch cheerleader in high school, or defeated their inner demons.

Sex for weaker men is an opportunity for exorcism. Slowly and painfully, by learning how to be a man of abundance, you exorcise the inner bitch in you.

Now, when you combine the traits of a weaker man with a lack of sexual success? A lack of sexual validation AND sexual satisfaction? You have either a rare case like Tesla who can channel sexual energy into amazing pursuits. Or you have the 99.9999999% of guys like that - guys who just live kinda sad pathetic stunted beta lives. The dude who comments on girls on instagram like "I'd eat that ass all night" like.... that guy. There's millions of that guy, but there's maybe 1 Nikolai every century.

This is why you need to be fucking hot young pussy, or at least pussy that means something to you. Pussy always becomes pointless when you go far on this journey, because it is. But there's understanding that conceptually, and then there's realizing it for real through your visceral experiences. The first leaves you jerking off to fetish porn and donating to some twitch thot's amazon gift list, and then posting on nofap like "fuck guys I ruined my 8 day streak, I hate myself." The latter is freedom.

HierEncore · 2018-08-09T03:50:23+00:00

mods, you can delete this if you want, but I'd recommend if you want to have children, don't fuck around and waste time. Seek a woman who you believe would make a good mother and move her in and impregnate.... I can't tell you how many of my friends grew up with this illusion that they'll find a young girl of fertile age and decent mind for mothering when they get old and frail... never happened... they are childless and not likely to ever have children unless they move to a third world country and try to take on a disingenuous relationship.. also how on earth do you think you're going to raise a teen when you're 50 or 60?

curiousdude · 2018-08-09T03:33:07+00:00

The real winner of this generation is that British dude who ran a sperm bank, but it was all him. Link

Viking_RnP · 2018-08-08T23:25:36+00:00

I think having children is simple in that all it does is enable another "soul" to journey through this life.

I see this reality we live in as hell. Things that comprise the "human condition" for lack of terminology are our tools in this trial of life.Tools being emotions, instinct, physical needs and such. I see all these things as conflict with peace. Peace being, in my mind, a kind of "end goal." A state of mind that is free from the constraints of the human condition.

We notice that the more educated and understanding people tend to be the ones who produce less children. This can be interpreted many ways. One way could be through some kind of understanding that they subconsciously know they do not want to subject a presumably innocent being "the child" into a life they know is quite hellish. As through their education in life they learned how truly horrific their human condition can be, and choose to opt out of their biological wiring and lead a life that does not serve the laws of nature but the wisdom of spirit.

BillyRedRocks · 2018-08-08T22:39:50+00:00

Why are you replacing God/society/anything else with "Nature" "DNA" or anything else? The fact that reproducing worries you makes me thing you've kicked something that was controlling you and now you want to replace it with something else. You want to follow something - nature is dis so I must do dis or I lose according to nature.
Dude, this is The Red Pill, you get to chose what you want to do, you get to define what winning is. IF winning is playing WoW 24/7 while drinking dr pepper - have at it. If winning is fucking as many women as possible - have at it. If winning is making a football team of kids - please stay away from me, and have at it. Stop looking for Nature or God or your wife to define what "winning" is for you.
You're God - you decide what winning is.

On another note - fucking girls is not just elaborate jerking off. I like how they giggle.

GodOfDinosaurs · 2018-08-08T17:54:58+00:00

You're committing the "naturalistic fallacy" by associating 'is' (evolution, natural selection) with 'ought'. There's nothing about nature that can tell us how we ought to live our lives. You must choose. Some people want pleasure, some want money, some want to fuck as many bitches as possible before they die. A man who dies without any offspring did not "fail" in any real sense unless producing offspring was his goal. You, not nature, are the author of meaning in your own life.

SlyGradient · 2018-08-08T21:00:59+00:00

While this post is borderline, we're gonna leave it up for now for the interesting discussion below. It is a worthwhile endeavor for any man to question his purpose. Or to quote Plato: For a man to conquer himself is the noblest of all victories.

The post unfortunately has been cross-posted to the Drama sub, so for any visitors from there, we will be reporting any brigading.

Brixylian · 2018-08-08T22:38:50+00:00

This seems relevant for men to discuss, because the ugly truth is that the maternal/nurturing/parental skills of younger women have been in steep decline for years.

These same beings with their endless trivial addictions to attention via social media have in a large part lost the ability to love and nurture anything on a primal level beyond masturbatory validation from selfies.

Having a child becomes an exercise similar to obtaining a puppy. Often ill prepared, thinking that it'll be cute, with zero forethought to what it really takes to successfully rear a child.

Consequently, if men want to produce worthwhile children it's up to us to pick up the slack.

I have two sons' 18 and 16, and have been raising them since the ages of 5 and 3. You hear people bitch about their kids' all the time. It's so hard blah, blah blah. Fucn. Disgraceful. What it is duh, is a process in which you create the family that you always wanted. You're the maestro, the leader... and the end result is something beautiful. A bond, a family unit, closeness and kinship beyond compare. It's awesome. And it's up to us. In the long run...

hearse223 · 2018-08-08T19:22:04+00:00

You have to ask yourself what your destiny is.

At the end of the day, your money wont be shedding any tears for you at your funeral.

chauncy_popperstein · 2018-08-08T19:03:38+00:00

There is more to it than just an orgasm. There is the thrill of "the chase" and excitement of meeting new/interesting people.

Achieving goals that work toward your "mission". Sex gets 99.99% of the attention on this board simply because most of the people are bad at getting it.

Smart, fit people deciding not to have kids, or to only have one, who might not have turned out so well.. Physically repulsive people breeding like rabbits..

Because smart fit people have options. Dumb ugly people are desperate.

roadmaptonowhere · 2018-08-09T02:14:40+00:00

The process that leads to casual sex has intrinsic value for a man. Everyone thinks it is something you chase just because you want to feed your ego - in fact, it is exactly the opposite. Meeting random women and seducing them forces you to put your ego on the line - everyone who doesn't agree with this statement has never cold approached a woman.

If you master it, you master yourself - because you will get all your flaws exposed, so you better have steel confidence and frame.

So, casual sex itself has no value per se, however the path you have to walk to reach your final destination will give you the most important lessons as a man.

PR0JECT_XIII · 2018-08-08T20:19:03+00:00

Sex is the social lubricant that has allowed humans to survive this long.

It is suggested that one of the reasons why tribes stayed together was because everyone was fucking everyone, so the men never knew who was the father.

The "unconscious" existential crisis in Western society is we are concerned about our SMV so much that those with in the medium to high range are increasingly more likely to focus on their "careers" than find a partner to reproduce with.

Japan is a perfect example of this as it's population is declining.

kEEWAIT · 2018-08-08T23:14:58+00:00

I love this sub

-uftw- · 2018-08-08T18:02:49+00:00

I agree with you. I'm planning on having a bunch of babies. I'll also donate my sperm.

The book "The Selfish Gene" by Richard Dawkins explains exactly what you're saying. In short, we're in fact extremely complex tools designed to assist our genes to reproduce and win the competition of life. I read it 15 years ago and it changed my life.

So many people on this sub swear never to have kids. To each his own. I know where I stand on this.

Revo_Luzione · 2018-08-08T22:20:18+00:00

Great post, this is a topic I've been thinking about a lot.

I agree with what OP is saying here. I've been in the game for a decade, and went from wicked one-itis to having sex every week for years on end, often with different women. Spinning plates, soft harems mixed with longer relationships, sometimes overlapping the two.

What I've noticed: I look at fathers with kids, the ones in good relationships with healthy sexual dynamics, and see that as a desirable end state.

I look at my father, who had three sons and has been married for almost 50 years. Desirable state.

I look at the last few women I've dated--the n+1 with a random, unless she's super hot, doesn't add any value to my life. Even then, if she's promiscuous, which many are, the value drops for me.

I look at men who've been playing the game for two and three decades. I can't see doing it in my 50s and 60s. I will if I must, perhaps, but I think having a family increases life satisfaction in one's older years, and the research supports that.

For me, the desire to procreate is mostly selfish--I see it as deeply meaningful, a profound source of joy and happiness as one gets older.

The reproductive imperative is as strong as it is for precisely the reasons OP states--it's an evolutionary drive.

alexjhargreaves · 2018-08-09T09:31:31+00:00

Yes friend, I’ve had a similar change inside me. Once I realised I was a strong capable man, suddenly I’m less interested in mutual masturbation and more interested in raising a child in this world. God knows there’s enough children raising children.

Zirealeredin · 2018-08-08T21:48:09+00:00

Yes. If the woman isn’t completely committed to you it’s a waste of time

Compeliminator · 2018-08-08T22:00:33+00:00

Ive thought about this a great deal over the years. I am by all accounts a successful man except in the area of offspring. I didnt want kids for all the reasons this sub espouses but i cant help but secong guess myself at times. my brother was killed in a car accident over 30 years ago and i was the only kid left. i am now 54 years old. my lineage will become a genetic dead end because of my decision not to have kids

Zanford · 2018-08-09T01:34:01+00:00

Do I think people should just have as many children as possible? Fuck no. Absolutely not. I don't care if anyone here has kids. The world doesn't need more people.

Now...what if the most productive and intelligent people follow this advice, and no one else does?

MortalSisyphus · 2018-08-08T19:01:48+00:00

If you decide to have kids simply to "win" the "evolutionary game" you are still doing it just to stroke your ego. Nobody wants to be a "loser" and if you equate being a genetic dead end to being a loser then it's still your ego pressuring you to have kids.

It's ALL just "jerking off" if you want to put it in those terms.

Unless, of course, you are living for something bigger and more important than yourself, your pleasure, and your ego... People will rationalize and say you are still doing that for selfish reasons, but being selfishly altruistic is still better than being selfishly non-altruistic, not just in itself but in the consequences your behavior has on others. But I'm on TRP so I'll just stop this train of thought now lol

xenigala · 2018-08-08T19:24:49+00:00

In the near future babies will be genetically engineered with prime-quality genes. (China is already working on this, without the Christian unease about messing with human reproduction.) So, it probably doesn't matter so much if you pass on your particular genes.

Consider how it will impact your current kid's mental health if you leave their mother and start another family.

CC_ee · 2018-08-08T18:16:52+00:00

We all die eventually and the only way to "win" is if your particular combination of DNA is out there somewhere.. (According to nature)

Perhaps, but that's as an individual. We are a collective, we are the human race. In the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter as long as the human race continues. It is in our nature to pass on genes regardless but it won't affect anything if you don't.

How can you consider it "winning" if you pass on your bad genes? Nature doesn't care if you reproduce because others will. The only relevant contribution you can make is by passing on good genes (if you have them) or impacting the human race significantly whilst you are alive. Passing on bad genes is meh and passing on good genes is only slightly less meh.

Wolveryn · 2018-08-09T01:21:02+00:00

You should fuck as many women as possible as practice: Probably the biggest proponent for ptotected sex for fun to me is about getting experience. If you fuck enough women you subsequently really start to understand how to seduce women better and how to pleasure them. So when the day arises that you see the women of your dreams you don't start sweating profusely with a double speed heart rate and screw up the interaction due to going all in like a novice at a poker match.

And plus its fun, and no matter what the scenario, life should be about fun as well as legacy... and given the current world population... not reproducing is a revolutionary act.

NomBok · 2018-08-09T02:30:47+00:00

What really gives me conniptions is the idea of the movie idiocracy. I really think stupid people breeding is a problem. You see it in islamic culture where an insane percentage of them are literally inbred, yet have a dozen kids. Which is bad enough, then you add on the whole terroristic koran.

Personally, I'm a nihilist. I also have enough fucked up genetic mental issues where I've decided to never have kids (and got a vasec, so worth it). I simply wouldn't do that to anyone, life is just overall not worth it imo (dont worry not suicidal, i've been very fortunate and am in a good position). Too much bullshit and boredom with such little payoff.

Pepethe1stofHisName · 2018-08-08T21:20:06+00:00

how are the lives we lead anything more than a fancier life similar to that of an ant? The Galaxy is BIG AF, the Universe is probably infinite... you've got no infinitesimally small lasting power compared to the vast expanse of the cosmos (both in space and time).

Too meta for me. Keep it simple stupid.

Do things that add meaningful value to your life: establish friendships and acquaintances, know God, find something you can be good at and can be passionate about: do it well, take good care of yourself, get women, have fun

buy a boat, drink a beer, call your mom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_Along_(Kenny_Chesney_song)

ShellInTheGhost · 2018-08-08T23:29:32+00:00

We all die eventually and the only way to "win" is if your particular combination of DNA is out there somewhere

No, that’s your genes winning. The only way to “win” is to live a life that makes you happy whether you reproduce or not.

Odins-left-eye · 2018-08-09T01:56:24+00:00

If you really want to get down into the weeds, even having kids is "meaningless." Nothing in the universe has any innate value on first principles. We have evolved to take pleasure in things that cause us to be more likely to survive and replicate our genes, but really all we notice is the pleasure part. So why not let us revel in that, even if we are short circuiting the path?

radiantoscillation · 2018-08-09T10:46:09+00:00

Considering that there’s no emotional connexion in casual sex and that most of it is quite cringey, yes Call me BP because I said the e-word, but yeah I think casual sex is fancy jerk off For me RP isn’t about getting girls and fuck, it’s about being in control of yourself, gaining assurance and respect from others, being a better version of yourself and getting girls is kind of a consequence of this

I think you are kind of right, and while I’m at it, I’d say that every stuff you’re reading here you should take it with a pinch of salt, because there’s a lot of stuff talking about how2get laid how2hold frame etc, but in the end, in all of those thread, they just show that they care about that the women think, that the women still gatekeeps sex, to me rp is about not caring about this, be confident in yourself, if you manage to fuck some women, fine, but using rp to find and seek women is monkey-level to me

I don’t think I fully replied to your questionments, though, sorry

InsideEquation · 2018-08-08T18:08:15+00:00

Yes
yes
yes.

But that doesn't mean you won't have it to have a good time.

2018-08-08T21:52:21+00:00

I mean, I have a son, and crossing the reproduction barrier changes an enormous amount of things. But relevant to this sub, it effected both how I view/treat women, and how they view/treat me. Idk. There's a lot more to life than getting laid, and there's a lot more to understanding/dealing with women than just how much you can get laid.

I've had more variety since becoming a father than before, and I didn't do anything to try and make that happen. I'm not saying "knock a girl up so you're real red pill." that would be really fucked up. Creating life is not a thing to take lightly, unless you're sociopathic or something.

And as a few others have said, you're treading much more into existential questions or the purpose of all things. You might get a much less polar view elsewhere tbh.

BiteAndThrow · 2018-08-08T23:11:46+00:00

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eclectro · 2018-08-09T00:22:03+00:00

I mean maybe it comes down to "choose your illusion"

Very good OP. Actually excellent. Let me help with that mind blowing just a bit with the theory what the red pill really is;

You are still stuck in the Matrix red pill or naught.

Redagogue · 2018-08-09T01:24:47+00:00

As someone who has a biology degree, viewing sexual reproduction as a legacy of the individual is simply not true. Your kids are half you, your grandkids are one quarter you, and their kids are one eighth you. Also, genetic recombination means that your chromosome gets shuffled with everyone else's, to the point where grandkids can have more DNA from one grandparent than another.

However, with the need of the ego to feel important, I'm sure none of those details matter.

111Dx · 2018-08-09T07:53:22+00:00

Lemme think: So if I had a five sons, I am a winner. What IF none of them wants to have son then again I am a huge failure.

The question is : What is life about?

Is it only about saving your data through passing your genes? Is it only a battle of these data between humankind OR between different species?

Well, you will never know. You can try but you will never know. You will never understand what life is about. You were never meant answer this question. You were meant to live it.

MattyAnon · 2018-08-09T12:24:04+00:00

This is a sexual strategy group, not an impregnation group.

pmmedenver · 2018-08-09T15:38:29+00:00

There is no inherent meaning in life so you best give up searching now. The best we can do is make an arbitrary decision that something is important and roll with it. Things will matter to you because you've invested in them, but at the same time there's no reason to take anything too seriously because its all arbitrary.

Pittbullbill · 2018-08-08T21:59:08+00:00

No dont have anymore kids, horde the money, horde the pussy, make an awesome life for yourself. You deserve it.

Avskygod0 · 2018-08-09T13:17:13+00:00

Eh, that's another redpill

This one is to acquire sex, what you do with it is another thing. Only a module in a bigger redpill. If this one is unpalatable to normies, then the actual redpill would kill them immediately

wss5112 · 2018-08-09T02:57:11+00:00

Real men don’t adhere to theories and the authority. Natural selection is the way biologists explain things. Social Darwinism is people trying to backup their stance. These relying on authority is to persuade the crowd that they are right. They are not real men in this sense.

ChiLongQuaDynasty · 2018-08-09T17:21:51+00:00

One problem with this winning in life shit by having kids is that at any point in time, future generations of your genes can just say fuck that narrative, or have an unfortunate accident and your legacy ends there. You sacrificing your personal enjoyment and happiness will end up being all for naught. You "winning" right now isn't a forever thing, that win can change into a loss in the future(whether you're there to see it happen or not doesn't matter) and I'm surprised no one has mentioned it yet. Also think about it anyways, when you have a kid, that kid is 1/2 of you. That kid has kids and they're 1/4 of you. And then the same thing happens and they're 1/8 of you and so on, until your genes get dispersed to irrelevance(probably naturally selected out if anything via epigenetics) and whether or not you bred or "won" has no significant impact on future generations(especially if you're not passing any genes that can IMPROVE the genomes of society) with simple math. Like other people have said, winning and losing is determined by your own choice, personal beliefs and goals, you shouldn't be cucking yourself into thinking that winning/losing is dependent on OTHER people's choices in the past(which may not even be optimal or logical and it changes all the time like what you said in your second sentence).

Demiurge_Decline · 2018-08-09T17:56:14+00:00

Great topic. I totally understand why smart people have less kids. The condition of the world. The uncertainty. The leaderships and the decline of civilization. When you weigh the pros and the cons, it truly is a hard pill to swallow. Much harder than the red pill. Do I live free or follow my biological drive? Do I ignore my drive and pursue happiness selfishly? Do I really want to bring a soul on this planet that I will definitely leave one day? is this Hell I am offering? They will suffer as I have... OR do you flip this on its head and say - Well, the world needs more good smart people. I can produce that. What is the best gift you can give the world besides curing hunger, cancer, etc but to have a good human? Why let the earth fall to the lower species? Should I really end all of the hard work of my forefathers and ancestors who fought tooth and nail and Ijust opt out the life battle or gene flow? All their work, sweat and tears and I jump off the genetic bridge? That little sperm that beat all the others and that little egg that hung in the balance... What if they failed?

BostonPillParty · 2018-08-09T21:18:12+00:00

I spent so much time thinking about this before considering getting a vasectomy.

CanAm10004 · 2018-08-10T01:52:10+00:00

Fundamentally, we exist to reproduce. That is life itself. I have done my duty in that regard. That doesn't mean we can't enjoy life the rest of the time, but if we don't reproduce, we are an evolutionary failure. 50% of males throughout history have not reproduced.

AllahHatesFags · 2018-08-10T16:24:48+00:00

This sounds like some tradcon bullshit. Would you want to have a kid with every THOT you fucked? I think not!

dontbethatguynow · 2018-08-08T18:49:08+00:00

after 4-5 generations, your "genes" or "DNA" is less than 1% in any further offspring aside from inbreeding. However you can view procreation in terms of culterual norms or leaving your "Legacy". In the end do what you want.

LiveAFTSOV · 2018-08-08T19:14:49+00:00

Sex with a woman as an intimate need which is the third tier of maslows hierarchy, and is far different from simple orgasm through masturbation, which is a basic tier one physiological need.

Sex is different then masturbating. Hookers are a step up from jerking off.

Even if you bang body pillows and real doll sex doll flesh lights, your subconscious mind screams at you for not actually fucking real woman.

/Thread

Also, you're trying to be sadomasochrist

P.S. Edit - Just count every time you've had sex with a real woman as a potential pregnancy. That's what makes fucking with a condom / birth control different from jacking off - your body and mind know you are wasting cum, but you NEEED to cum to survive- next step to the top is to put it in somewhere

sciroccomindrape0087 · 2018-08-08T22:51:02+00:00

Lol, nice attempt to mind rape. Anyway sex is about fulfilling every lust or natural desire. It is like eating food. It is not about planning to father a bunch of fucking brats. If you want to get a modern western women pegnant you might as well flush half your wealth down the toilet, or gamble it in Vegas.

The-Somberlain · 2018-08-09T11:43:37+00:00

Yes, it's just a fancy way to bust a nut but what is the issue with that? Human sex drives are absolutely through the roof probably because early humans dropped like flies and had to reproduce that much. We no longer need to do that. It won't change because we still fuck as much as we ever did, we just found ways around actually reproducing because sex is fun. I really think that constant urge we have is outdated because it is no longer necessary for our species and if you realize that and just use it to have fun, then it's all good.

freew33zy · 2018-08-09T13:44:14+00:00

I've actually thought about this a lot myself. I am in a one-way open relationship, and the chick is amazing--so I've thought about this from the standpoint that I could make a smoother relationship, reproduce with her eventually, and have a better long-term goal than continuously making waves by fucking other chicks. In my scenario, the two are pitted against each other just like in yours.

So, what have I determined? I determined that the other sex is honestly pretty worthless. If you're ever having sex and thinking "I don't want this girl pregnant" you're wasting your time, honestly. That said, it does feel good, so I plan to indulge for a bit more... then probably transition into having a smoother relationship with threesomes now and then because, long-term, it's better. You're actually achieving something. Sex that isn't to reproduce reminds me of books like Brave New World or that one book about clones who are destined to die and fuck all the time but can't reproduce but can love or something (forget the name). In those books, it's some futuristic society where sex is separate from reproduction, but people still love to have sex--honestly, it's a lot like the world today even if we don't realize it.

But yeah, I wouldn't say chasing sex is BAD, but reproduction goals should be put ahead of sex goals. Often times, sex goals can be used to achieve reproduction goals (i.e.: you plate a hot as fuck 9/10, she falls for you, you now have access to top tier genetic material to reproduce with) but the two are not the same, and a truly conscious RedPill man should note this.

Icarus663 · 2018-08-09T19:54:26+00:00

Fully disagree on your view of losers and winners depending on your will to reproduce. You are not your genes. If you decide to not reproduce, your genes are losers. But if as a result you have a more fulfilling live, you are a winner. Evolution makes mistakes sometimes. It gives us a sexual drive to fuck any available woman as a means to reproduce our genes. But since birth control exist, fuck is not linked anymore to reproduction.

I say, fuck your genes. If you think you are going to have a more fulfilling live with a bunch of childs, by all means, do it. If you think you are going to have a more fulfilling live without childs, also by all means, don't have it.

-uftw- · 2018-08-08T18:01:32+00:00

I agree with you. I'm planning on having a bunch of babies. I'll also donate my sperm.

The book "The Selfish Gene" by Richard Dawkins explains exactly what you're saying. In short, we're in fact extremely complex tools designed to assist our genes to reproduce and win the competition of life. I read it 15 years ago and it changed my life.

So many people on this sub swear never to have kids. To each his own. I know where I stand on this.

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Swan_in_a_Cage · 2018-08-08T21:48:16+00:00

Sex isn't a fancy way to jerk off... it's just a more meaningful way to connect with our primal natures as men.

Jerking off is more a mental or visual connection, while sex is multi sensual and involves establishing dominance.

Sex therefore has many facets to it that make it inherently more meaningful and beneficial.

And because it involves maintaining a healthy masculine ego, sex plays a part in advancing a man's existential understanding.

Atolla2 · 2018-08-08T21:48:39+00:00

This is an excellent question.

I've considered going deep into sperm donation to counter this: as long as you fit the height, intelligence & health requirements. There's something about that primal urge to reproduce that is so difficult to ignore.

OfficerWade · 2018-08-08T22:26:04+00:00

I’ve wanted to multiply my seed as much as possible since I was 13.. there’s a horn dog archetype personality in all men we just need to own it. By having boundaries we can separate it from the man inside us so we don’t have 4 or 5 kids on welfare. We can provide for these kids by getting a job. And so on, you’re the prize remember that.

BeeLow0519 · 2018-08-08T22:26:13+00:00

However in the time of TRP taking place it is very minuscule in comparison to the grand total of time of people reproducing. Therefore, TRP is nothing to worry about until like 500-1000 years before natural selection even does a hint of change.

Superspick · 2018-08-08T23:14:31+00:00

It’s a valid question dude. It’s definitely well-beyond trp and is more about defining your purpose proper than you might realize.

For example, everything you’ve posted is unrelated to the purposes of trp because trp is not concerned with anything beyond the conquest and embracing masculinity, in my opinion. In fact, if our “genes” wanna procreate but we just smash, that’s pretty alpha.

But while “applying” trp in your life, everything you’ve touched on comes into play. But it’s up to one to decide if procreating is what one defines as winning; it’s not what I define as winning, for example, but it’s 1000% valid in its own right because, objectively, a part of being human and male is forging your own way, fuck what others think (within reason lol).

Like if you ask me, our imperative as humans would be to ‘elevate’ our species, not procreate because unlike our primal ancestors, we rewrote the food chain and have propagated our species thoroughly. But we don’t do that because reasons - reasons being that we’re human lol.

rmandan · 2018-08-08T23:16:47+00:00

Very interesting

MrTrizzles · 2018-08-08T23:31:45+00:00

You're confused about the nature of RP.

RP did not form to get men closer to their evolutionary purpose. RP is not for men to learn about evolution.

RP formed to help men get more sex. Evolution is only valuable to RP in that context.

But if you're concerned about evolution doing it's thing, don't be. It's still the high value men who are reproducing, and the low value men who are complaining. Same as it ever was.

SeemedGood · 2018-08-09T00:05:15+00:00

No. The physical intermix/creation is just a (small and representative) part of the act.

Aestheticcunt1996 · 2018-08-09T05:44:09+00:00

Why don‘t you go to donate your semen brah... then your genes are out there in nature as well and you don‘t have to do or pay shit for it... in fact you even get paid

tchower · 2018-08-09T07:35:29+00:00

Huh, I’ve never heard of someone having a disease that prevents a virus, I’ve only heard of external factors and environment effecting genes and inherited traits being passed down effecting resistance to a virus. In terms of being born with the right proteins or genes to resist a virus, it could also be that their body was able to resist the virus and then develop anti-bodies ect. so applying Dawkins that way makes sense, but resistance could be inherited or environmental, it just depends. However, my point was that applying Dawkins selfish gene theory to people deciding to have kids or not doesn’t really match up very well, it’s a mistake similar to Social Darwinism.

ktr0n3 · 2018-08-09T09:10:41+00:00

I think we are becomig overly obessed with leaving a legacy that will be remebered for generstions to come. It's just self serving and you may have loads of children as a result but the more children you have, the lesser the care, supoort, love each individual child will receieve so you are in fact doing a disservice in the present to maybe leave your gene floating around for a bit longer?

stuub7 · 2018-08-09T10:49:21+00:00

a friend who had already given up on life once told me ”it’s just a luxury jerk off” and i disagree

ratpoison987 · 2018-08-09T11:33:49+00:00

nice step back... good prespective.

Ramp_Up_Then_Dump · 2018-08-09T15:20:02+00:00

You are giving too much credite to hibd brain. Even the simpliest animals have urges to reproduce and survive. These 2 are most important 2 thi gs at evolution.

When an animal sex, all the catch is pleasure. Thats why having sterile sex is "alpha programing". Normaly this would make a lot of children but our hind brain wants to have sex rather than reproduce.

When animals get castrated, they dont sex. The operation does nothing to "wanting baby". When an animal's hunger node in lower brain is damaged, they starve themselfs to death. They wasnt eating to survive in first place, they eat because they are hungry.

Trp is selfish, passing genes is not important unless you want kids.

magnificent18 · 2018-08-10T18:28:12+00:00

They way it should be is that a man should gain as much knowledge as possible and then have a kid that can easily pick up all the knowledge the father has learned within a short period of time. Remember kids are sponges.

Then that kid will have your knowledge and build upon his own and once he is ready, he will pass your knowledge, his knowledge onto his son. By doing this each generation is smarter and has a higher chance of surviving because he has generation knowledge, which is very powerful.

It's pointless to have kids for the sake of having kids when you are young and dumb / horny because how are you going to teach your kids anything or instill discipline. They will be the same as you.

So as men it's fine to fuck around but eventually once you are ready you want to actually get a girl pregnant and pass on what you've learned to your next generation.

You want the next generation to be better than you intellectually, physically, emotionally. But you need to do be there to teach them.

A lot of men today have to start from scratch in terms of knowledge (especially on getting women /redpill knowledge) but the ones that will teach themselves and learn will pass it on their sons at an earlier age, so that their sons don't have to make the same mistakes the did and waste time and be on this sub.

ToryTosh1922 · 2018-08-16T06:58:36+00:00

Basically the people who should be having children aren't, and the people who shouldn't be having children are in large quantities.

Society is ridiculously easy to accomodate for the weak genetic offshoots thanks to the feminised overly-generous welfare state. Ordinarily, in harder times, these people would be lucky to reach their twentieth birthday. Nowadays they're the biggest contributors to the population.

I firmly believe humanity will go downhill from here. We have no natural selection. Rather, we have unnatural preservation.

Mother Nature is a harsh mistress, and we are delusional to think we can subdue her so easily.

thedragonrises · 2018-08-18T15:19:24+00:00

I found that as soon as I had hobbies and passions that I really wanted to explore, trying to talk / date / sleep with multiple women was a massive energy and time sink with little personal progress to show for it. I quickly realized that the personal stats (e.g. how many people you have slept with, etc.) that a lot of guys love to talk about quickly became meaningless to me when I was thinking about how I could use my interests to change the world. I think this only came about after having been with multiple women at a number where I can now comfortably feel like "yea I can get women". I guess the number came for me earlier than it did for other people (n = 8 or 9). But the idea of losing energy after sex is VERY real. And yes, the whole Hindu system of thought that another poster mentioned e.g. kundalini, balancing the chakras, preserving the fierce highly charged sexual energy within the body is a very real thing. I have felt amazing effects after just abstaining from 2 weeks. Which leads me to think that the Hindu concept of life being a battle between controlling material urges and seeking a path towards a higher level of thought is a very real thing. Anyhow, my two cents

gattaca_ · 2018-08-08T21:17:33+00:00

We all die eventually and the only way to "win" is if your particular combination of DNA is out there somewhere..

Unless you're an atheist and don't believe in an afterlife.

In that case we're all just dead.

Life isn't a race or a contest, nobody "wins". At least not from my perspective. We just carve out our own little niche and enjoy life the best way we know how.

Nocryingok · 2018-08-09T19:58:37+00:00

YES to have casual protected sex is to enjoy the decline, and the natural purpose of sex was always to procreate. But you don't need to let your instincts dictate your whole life, just be aware of them. You certainly WILL regret not having more kids later. But it might be worth it to not have'em anyways.

It's a close call, to be honest. My plan is to enjoy a lot until 35 or 40 and then start having lots of kids. I won't need much money after 50, anyways.

ktr0n3 · 2018-08-10T10:54:58+00:00

Yes, I actually agree with you as being a yonger subling, I learnt a huge amount from my sister. I was talking more in terms of having >3-4 kids. Generally you have child support in most western countries to cover the financials (if you are poor) but for most working class people it is still a challenege to raise a lot of children.

-uftw- · 2018-08-08T18:03:29+00:00

I agree with you. I'm planning on having a bunch of babies. I'll also donate my sperm.

The book "The Selfish Gene" by Richard Dawkins explains exactly what you're saying. In short, we're in fact extremely complex tools designed to assist our genes to reproduce and win the competition of life. I read it 15 years ago and it changed my life.

So many people on this sub swear never to have kids. To each his own. I know where I stand on this.

MakeMenGreatAgain44 · 2018-08-08T18:42:56+00:00

There needs to be a balance to be honest. From what I've learned so far, and to be honest I still have a long way to go seeing as how I'm only 27. You need to balance between the alpha urges of fucking without remorse and committing to some type if relationship. Leaving alpha widows behind won't do because you son won't have tour values. He will have your genes but not your alpha values. So the way I see it is develop yourself in TRP fuck bitches. Commit to some sort of LTR and fuck bitches on the side if you need to. Always mqmaintain alpha but keep some relationship you g where your son or daughter can grow.

Fiendish · 2018-08-08T18:47:15+00:00

The anti-natalist position is actually not that substantial IMO. The world may well need more people, how do you know for sure?

What if choosing to have children is an incredibly brave sacrifice that is good for everyone in the long term, even if you have some bad genes? What if people that choose not to have children are the problem because they are basically anti-life?

We have plenty of food and plenty of space for a MUCH larger population. We aren't running out of natural resources and our technology is making us exponentially more efficient. Yeah maybe the planet is heating up, but maybe it's natural. I'm just saying, it's too complicated to know for sure. Maybe the right thing to do is to have faith in humanity and that more humanity is always good.

LurchingDeath · 2018-08-09T01:29:39+00:00

Uhm.. a redpill doesn't exactly live with the mother of his bastard son. Be out on your own and hold your legal obligations to the child but be rid of that baggage.

RedPillCoach · 2018-08-09T02:40:16+00:00

I know a cannabis induced post when I see it.

goriladevainilla · 2018-08-09T02:50:05+00:00

I'm high right now and this just blew my mind.

U-94 · 2018-08-08T21:05:12+00:00

Generally, yes for me since I rarely like the women I sleep with. I sleep with them because they want to sleep with me. That's a nice ego boost but yeah the sex can be a bit like going through the motions, alcohol helps keep it interesting. Eliminate higher brain function so you don't have any 'what's the point?' thoughts mid thrust. Ugh, sober sex is awful.

2914iwiK · 2018-08-10T10:08:28+00:00

I chose one night stands over my true biological imperative."

Yes, it is natural to have sex with attractive women and impregnating them. It's also natural to eat sugary and fatty foods. If living naturally matters to you, then you go have that child and get obese.

Nature is a failed experiment based on millions/billions of years of programming through evolution. It isn't useful or holds any value other than learning from it.

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TonytheNetworker · 2018-08-08T17:53:20+00:00

Interesting take but I don't feel like this is the most appropriate post to put on The Red Pill.

Satou4 · 2018-08-08T19:41:46+00:00

Seems like concern trolling.

Sex is good.

Title	The "Real" Red Pill: If we're not getting them pregnant, is sex just a fancy way to jerk off? Existential crisis
Author	ebaymasochist
Upvotes	637
Comments	275
Date	August 8, 2018 5:45 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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