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[–]ToxicRocketry 47 points48 points49 points 9 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
I tried it for a while, but the place I went to only had late-30's up to 50's-aged men and women, most of whom were couples looking to have fun. Plus my schedule was terrible for it. :-(
Maybe bigger cities are better for it, I don't know.
[–]Tesla_2 13 points14 points15 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
This was my problem. I've been to 5 or 6 swing classes and had a blast every time, but each time I was the only person not coupled up already and ended up dancing with the instructor.
[–]recyclablebanthas11 points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Classes are just the first step, man. Having time to dance with the instructor means you are getting free private lessons, basically.
That's not a downside.
You learn in the classes and then go to swing events like Lindy hop exchanges and the like.
Think about the big picture.
[–]MultipleMatrix3 points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Dancing with the instructor is basically the cheat code. Good classes make you switch partners anyway.
[–]truecrisis 23 points24 points25 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dance with the old people! You can still learn!
[–]recyclablebanthas 9 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link
I tried it for a while, but the place I went to only had late-30's up to 50's-aged men and women....
All venues or dances are definitely NOT created equal. In my hometown, for example, the average ages for the other dances were: Salsa: 25, Lindy hop: 23, Argentine tango: 30 (with a range from 14-60), West coast swing: 35-40, ballroom as a whole: 45-50.
And then again, I learned dances in my old college town, where the numbers were even more skewed towards college age.
What dance did you try, specifically?
Can I ask what city or metro area you're working with?
Note that you might want to stay away from venues like Arthur Murray. I mean, it works for some people, but ballroom is often problematic as a dance choice.
most of whom were couples looking to have fun.
I think I read this the wrong way. :P
[–]ToxicRocketry 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I tried a beginners course, which was mostly salsa with moves from a few other dances thrown in and designed for people who basically couldn't dance without tripping over their own two feet. There was another class fully focused on salsa that I originally wanted to try, but I couldn't fit it into my personal schedule.
I live in a small, country town and go to college in a big city around an hour away by car. Sorry I can't share any more details, but I had a pretty embarrassing experience a couple of years ago when sharing a story that happened to me on another forum and giving away one too many details about my location that let me be identified, and now I'm heavily paranoid about any sort of info sharing.
On the bright side, the college I'm going to has a dance club that I recently signed up for, so maybe I'll have better luck there.
Yeah, that could've been phrased better, LOL.
[–]Moderatorrecyclablebanthas 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I live in a small, country town and go to college in a big city around an hour away by car.
Sounds tricky.
Sorry I can't share any more details, but I had a pretty embarrassing experience
Look, I don't want you to dox yourself. But I have contacts around the country and actually around the world. I might be able to point you in a convenient direction that you don't know about.
So if you want, PM me.
College dance clubs are great. Kind of like single swinger clubs. :P I feel like a lot of people were getting passed around back then.
Tell me that you have a place to live in that big city? I used to rent a cheap place in my college town, back in the day, for like $400 a month maybe. Stepped outside my door and I was on campus. SO convenient.
[–]bjlmag 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That's a bummer. Even so, you can always try bringing someone and gathering some more of your friends to get people your age out there.
[–]plenty_of_eesh 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly. Make a date-destination if it's not the right place to find new dates.
If the girl isn't already a pro, then you will seem like one to her even if you've only been going for 2 months.
Plus kino automatically thrown in.
[–]superbad4life 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Try finding a local college. Younger women, most are just as new to it as you as well. And if you know what you're doing, they fall for you that much quicker.
[–]William_J_Bucksworth 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Actually I lived in a smaller area, but I had the luxury of my friend running the dance studio. I ran across plenty of girls in their 20s and 30s. So sounds like timing and availability was just as much of a problem.
[–]PlayLikeNeverB4 25 points26 points27 points 9 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
I get that girls like dancing dudes, but I just don't enjoy dancing. I love singing and playing instruments, but dancing does not give me the same feeling.
[–]singeblanc 18 points19 points20 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Not gonna sugar coat it, you will suck at dancing to begin with, and that doesn't always feel fun.
https://www.salsafs.com/wp-content/uploads/learning_curve.jpg
You get a little rush at the beginning, going from nothing to something. After a short while you learn enough to know you suck.
Then you put the time in, then you are good, then you enjoy it. It's similar to learning an instrument.
[–]xen911 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Salsa instructor- can confirm.
[–]xarthass 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Beginner's hell lol Not dissimilar to other concepts around here
[–]Me2_0 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Its the same as everything, honestly, even lifting weights, you will suck ass and not be able to lift shit at first, but the curve will slowly give you results as you put in hours.
[–]minutiesabotage 9 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
Uh...the strength building curve is literally the exact inverse of this curve.
[–]Me2_0 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Alright well my point is that you need to put in hours at anything to be good at it! Like you cant expect to be able to pull out a gun and defend yourself in a self defense situation if you only shot a gun at a paper target once, without moving or drawing from a holster.
[–]singeblanc 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The difference with partner dancing -- and I can understand why people see it as daunting -- is that you have to do it with a woman. A woman who (as you can see by the graph) will have most likely accelerated past you even if she's only been learning for half the time you have.
[–]bjlmag 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
That's fine, bro. I think dancing is an excellent skill to have but if it's not your thing there's nothing wrong with that. If you're a musician you've already got other skills that are great and attractive as well.
[–]AR-47 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
How can I use my drum-playing skills to initiate physical contact?
[–]mingshen 13 points14 points15 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Beat it.
[–]AlphaNathan 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Calm down, Ray Rice.
[–]King_Awkward_IV 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Then again, sometimes you have to sacrifice something to reach bigger goals.
[–]SirByron 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Groupon
[–]Alexander_SuperTrump 22 points23 points24 points 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
I've always wanted to do this.
What's the cost?
Where do I find a dancing class?
[–]bjlmag 12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link
Those are two questions I can't answer because it depends on location entirely. My Latin studio is $5 and the country bar is free entry. Look up your local studios and they'll likely have different types of classes and lessons or just rock up and introduce yourself as a beginner. I haven't taken a single real lesson; I've learned from all the people I meet.
[–]Alexander_SuperTrump 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Chicago, actually. Anyone have recommendations?
[–]OCabuse 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Try looking into community colleges and see if they have dance classes. This way you will have a whole series of dance classes at a great price. You will also get to meet a lot of beginners who want to learn as well so you wouldn't be stuck with expert level dancers who may hurt your confidence a bit.
[–]recyclablebanthas7 points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Alright, I'll field this one. But give me a preference first. You may not realize it, but your question is way too general to answer without being uselessly general or composing a tome of information.
Lindy hop
West coast swing
Argentine tango: 1. 2.
Salsa
Watch the videos, tell me which one strikes you.
[–]ummmwhynot 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Look up 4fantasticevents. They do salsa style dance events most nights of the week at a variety of venues and they usually start w a class.
[–]hondaaccords 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I just moved to Chicago, but from talking to people here Latin Rhythms and Latin Street Dancing are the big players in Chicago proper.
[–]Valor0us 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I took salsa classes at Latin rhythms and they were great! They also hold dancing socials every two weeks or so on Saturday nights where you can go and practice.
[–]Dyolf_Knip 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Yes, do it. Doooooo it!
Private lessons are expensive, anywhere from $40-100 for an hour. I never took anything but cheapo group classes, usually $5-10, which often included admission to a dance event afterwards. It probably took me a little longer to pick it up that way, but it's doable.
I don't live in Chicago so I couldn't say. But Tampa Bay was loaded with dance studios, so I don't imagine the windy city would be any different.
What's really funny is that if we're hanging out with the dancing crowd, my wife and I are pretty much middle-of-the-road skilled. But put us in with any random group of people, and suddenly it's like we're John Travolta and Uma Thurman.
EDIT: Ok, Chicago. Dunno where you're at, nor what kind of dance you're looking at, but a bit of googling turned up these, which I would personally love to go to.
http://www.ballroomdancechicago.com/group-dance-classes-chicago
http://chicagoarthurmurray.com/about-us/studio-calendar/
http://duetdancestudio.com/ballroom-dance-classes-chicago/
[–]JefemanG 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
PM me more about Tampa Bay. I'm moving there this Summer for 2 months and definitely wanna keep dancing.
[–]rickraus 14 points15 points16 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
TIME TO PUT ON OUR DANCING SHOES BOYS
[–]purplepilled2 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The thing is you have to actually want to dance. That's the problem I have. I just dont 'get it'.
[–]iCaptainJax 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I agree with this. If you're looking for somewhere to learn partner dances. (Waltz, Tango, Cha-Cha, Swing) Arthur Murray is a recognized name among ballroom and famous for teaching. I believe they also give a free try-this-out once lesson. To see if your interested.
[–]orisha 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Well, I would suggest that if you are going to learn to dance, go for the real thing, and not poor imitations. Ballroom dancing is the result taking a social dance and take every bit of style and personality from it.
I said this as a Tango teacher, who often dances Salsa and Lindy hop.
[–]Moderatorrecyclablebanthas 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Truth.
[–]Dyolf_Knip 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Man, I never could get the hang of spotting, so Lindy always makes me dizzy. But I do love my East Coast Swing.
[–]j_blem5 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Been dancing for 2 years now (Bachata and Kizomba), and I love it. Now that I'm pretty good (not trying to brag), I get a lot of attention from the girls, whether I want it or not is up to me. But it has definitely skyrocketed my confidence in myself and as a man. Its addictive when you see results. In the beginning it can be slow, but if you persist it will open your mind to many new possibilities.
For those saying they only have old people where they dance, Great! I started dancing with older people so that I wouldn't make a prat of myself with the younguns when I did dance with them.
edit: OP where you from? London? Could do with a wingman in town!
[–]Dalbana 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Where's a good place to learn to dance in London?
[–]j_blem5 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
For bachata you have bachata spice on the 1st and 3rd Saturday of the month. And 2nd and 4th Saturdays you have BOS (bachata on Saturday) event at union Street bar in great portland Street. Both great nights. Tuesdays kiz lounge at Tiger Tiger for kizomba 👌
[–]Dalbana 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nice one, thanks for sharing.
[–]Gman54 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Long time salsa and bachata dancer, dabbling a bit in west coast swing and kizomba as well. Been dancing 5 years in total so far.
It's the best thing that happened to my social life. Before that I was very insecure and afraid of touching girls. Today I constantly get complimented on how I can dance well. Through dancing I met my first girlfriend ever at the age of 25.
Even though nothing else has happened ever since (I'm 29 today), I still go out dancing once or twice a week. Made some good friends through it as well and also attended a dance festival abroad 2 years ago, which was an incredible experience.
Also, it's easier to learn the basics than it seems, I used to be so awkward and not that good when I started to, but people know that and at least in my scene, were very friendly and supportive.
Pro tip if you do decide to learn dancing: confidence is everything. If you lead assertively and with confidence, girls will flock to you, even if you only know mostly basic stuff.
[–]bjlmag 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Pro tip if you do decide to learn dancing: confidence is everything.
Exactly. I could write an entire post relating dance to just this. I do way better with the girls at my Latin studio than the other guys even though they're much better dancers. I attribute this entirely to my confidence. I went in knowing that I'm a beginner, but I have no problem whatsoever grabbing girls and having a great time even if I'm not impressing them with any special moves.
[–]recyclablebanthas 9 years ago [recovered] (10 children) | Copy Link
Alright, to supplement what OP has read:
___1: Social dancing is great for making contacts__
Social partner dancing is also great because you have a built in group of people around the world. If you travel to other countries, there will be contacts and possibly even people who'd host you. It really does open doors for you.
2: Arthur Murray & ballroom in general = No
Arthur Murray teaches ballroom and they often charge a lot, just to be part of a community that's usually older and overpriced to participate in, overall.
Most importantly, ballroom dances are rehashed versions of a group of street dances with vibrant communities. And what they did to those dances, was not pretty. That cheesy image you may have of the rose in a guy's mouth when someone says, "tango?" That's ballroom. Not the actual dance or the actual music. And they did that to every dance they absorbed into what's now called "ballroom."
3: Where to dance?
Don't know where to dance?
Step 1: Watch these videos to get a feel each of the dances.
Kizomba (Note: this video is out of focus at the beginning but clears up.)
Bachata
Step 2: do a Google search and a Facebook search for "[the dance you're interested in] + [the name of your metro area/city/town]. You don't really need to do both. The FB search will probably be better. But both searches should give you different leads on what groups are near you and where they meet.
Step 3: If there's a college or university near you, check their course listings. If they offer a 1 credit class for a dance you're interested in, take it. College courses require a little more upfront but are the best deal because of the actual rate per class and you get access to one on one help during the teacher's office hours.
Step 4: Reply to this message on the thread with the name of your area and I'll help you if possible. Or PM me if you don't want to share your location with the thread.
EDIT: Added a step about college courses.
[–]WhitePantherXP 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
on a technical level, how good are those dancers doing the salsa and how long will it take a decent dancer to get there (no formal training) if I'm doing it on occasional weeknights in a group setting.
[–]Moderatorrecyclablebanthas 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
on a technical level, how good are those dancers doing the salsa
They're a decent level. Good enough that they have the basics down and are ad-libbing it. Basically, they're having a conversation, nonverbally.
and how long will it take a decent dancer to get there (no formal training) if I'm doing it on occasional weeknights in a group setting.
Dance is a language. You can pick away at it if you want. It's up to you. The speed at which you learn is directly proportional to the amount of focus you put on it. Just like anything, if you half-ass it, it's not like you can get awesome at it, though you could still get good enough to have fun and socialize. You don't have to be an expert for that.
So try it out if you want. And if you like it, dive in. You'll get better faster. Someone going regularly can get to a pretty decent level inside of a year if they try.
[–]WhitePantherXP 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I just went to my first Bachata class (and stayed for salsa too), that Bachata dance was nothing like what I learned! At any rate, glad I went and will continue to go once a week.
[–]Moderatorrecyclablebanthas 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
That's awesome! :)
that Bachata dance was nothing like what I learned!
What do you mean? (This might be helpful for others....)
[–]WhitePantherXP 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The way that couple is dancing in the bachata video above is nothing like what I learned, ours was mostly footwork so perhaps it'll morph into that dance? Or is that a custom Bachata dance? Our arm placements and what not were very basic.
The way that couple is dancing in the bachata video above is nothing like what I learned, ours was mostly footwork Or is that a custom Bachata dance? Our arm placements and what not were very basic.
The way that couple is dancing in the bachata video above is nothing like what I learned, ours was mostly footwork
Or is that a custom Bachata dance? Our arm placements and what not were very basic.
A few things to keep in mind.
Dancing is a language with bodies. (So is kino.) What those dancers in the video were doing requires some knowledge of the dance.
Bachata is led and followed, not a choreography. So the leader doesn't have to memorize a bunch of steps. And the girl doesn't necessarily know what's going to come next and can't assume. Both the leader and follower have to be paying close attention to each other to feel where their bodies are.
You have to build a foundation. Those guys in the video are instructors themselves so you can't jump right into that.
They might also be careful not to get too intense or dirty with beginners because a lot of creepy guys try to learn bachata, thinking it's a license to feel girls up. Which drives girls away and defeats one of the main purposes of coming to a social dance.
The dance doesn't really have a "pattern" you have to follow once you know what you're doing, but they'll likely use some steps or patterns to help beginners get a feel for the dance. Like training wheels. Otherwise, it's like throwing you into the deep end.
That said, if you have access to different teachers for bachata, try each of them out. Different teaching philosophies will strike you better than others.
[–]philogynistic 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I'm in NYC. Do you have any suggestions for salsa lessons? There's actually a lot of studios here but I don't how how to tell which ones are good and which ones aren't.
What I would tell anyone with as many choices as you have, is to simply go and sample a couple of the events around you in the next few weeks.
Start with events that provide a lesson before the open dancing starts. Sample a few teachers. See which teacher or teachers strike you. This is important because the overall vibe and feeling for a dance scene will start with the philosophy of the teachers and organizers at the top. If you have a good feeling about them, that's a good sign.
If you want a recommendation, I've seen a few recommendations floating around in conversations with my dancer friends.
1
2
3
4.
But honestly, in a place with as much variety as NYC, you should just sample teachers and events for a few weeks before you settle on one.
[–]philogynistic 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Great response, thanks dude. Honestly I tried lessons at one studio near my office last summer, but it was mostly people in their 30s and 40s and since I'm 22 I didn't really think I'd fit in there. I've been taking hip-hop classes since the beginning of this year instead (because i genuinely do love all types of dance lol), but I'll check out your suggestions.
....but it was mostly people in their 30s and 40s ....
Ouch. Well, I was listening in on a conversation between some 20-somethings who are already good dancers. Hopefully they work out better.
[–]Suavementeeee 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Listen to this guy!
[–]stopdoingthat 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This guy knows what's up. Though, "not clubbing"? Laughter Out Loudly, if you learn how to move on any dancefloor, you pretty much won't have to know any other stuff to score on a regular basis.
[–]VDKay 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Latin & Salsa dancer reporting in sir!
I like how you comment on kino. You HAVE TO touch the other person in order to dance. I am naturally shy, but I find that hugging, touching and generally keeping your hands all over the place feels NATURAL after you dance with a girl a few times. Whereas, I got childhood female friends that I am still reluctant to hug. Bachata is essentially rubber your crotch against the other person's leg...
[–]Dyolf_Knip 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
So fucking this. Once upon a time I went to 3 weddings and a family reunion over the course of a few months, and I couldn't dance at any of them. So I started taking lessons (swing, ballroom, latin styles), and it was the best goddamned thing I ever did. I wish I'd started 10 or 15 years earlier, before high school, even.
And when I started, I had to aspire to having two left feet. If I can learn it, absolutely anyone can. I will also be making sure all my kids can at least be comfortable out on a dance floor.
I'm getting to the age where some of my friends are starting to get engaged and I can't wait to throw down on these dance floors when weddings start to happen. Bring on those bridesmaids.
[–]bradtwo 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm out of the game. BUT Dance lessons are PERFECT for second dates. It allows you to be intimate with your partner, have fun... make a fool of yourself all while being low pressure / low impact on the girl.
[–]easygo 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Luckily I'm a natural good dancer. And if I can get a girl to the dance floor, it's over. But hard part is getting her there without sounding like a douche
[–]bjlmag 13 points14 points15 points 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
If you're at a social dancing venue, taking a girl to the floor is the point. How could that be douchey?
[–]easygo 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I meant if I'm not already at a social dancing venue. Getting her there.
[–]bjlmag 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Gotcha. Again though, I don't see how inviting someone out with you needs to be douchey. Are you worried that simply inviting someone to dance seems douchey or are you just doing it in a douchey way?
[–]easygo 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I don't know. Maybe it's the type of girls I'm going for. I'm at the age where going clubbing is becoming not super cool. Worked wonders a couple years ago.
But I agree with you. Good weapon to have
[–]Theo_dore 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Where I live, jazz shows and jazz clubs often have people dancing on the sides! That might be more your style.
[–]easygo 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hmmm never thoght about that. I should give something like that a try
[–]recyclablebanthas 9 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm at the age where going clubbing is becoming not super cool.
Dude. Go back and read OPs post again. Like all of it.
Spoiler alert: He's not even talking about club dancing. At. all.
Also: social dance venue refers to where people go to do a partner social dance. Not a club.
[–]xen911 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly.
As a dance instructor, I also want to say for those of you that think you are great dancers, go take some fucking classes. You're not. I hear that bullshit ALL THE TIME.
[–]Moderatorrecyclablebanthas 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What are you talking about? :P
Every single time I've ever brought up the dances I do with a girl, the universal response is something about wanting me to teach them or take them dancing.
It's not douche-y to field a response to that, is it? They already want to go out at that point. No arm twisting required.
[–]Jericcho 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Interestingly, at a social dance venue, getting a girl on the floor means very little. At least at the social dance venues I was at. It was all people from the ballroom dance team, and made it very difficult to determine if someone is dancing with you to dance or because they like you.
[–]13abie 9 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm like you in reverse. Things go great until they want to dance, and then I blow all my good work.
I avoid dancefloors like the plague.
[–]recyclablebanthas2 points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
This is a natural reaction. Men usually grow up with little to no exposure to dance, but tons of exposure to sports. And vice versa for girls.
Hence, girls become the kind of people who "play sports like a girl." And guys always say they have two left feet.
If one never studied a foreign language, it's super common for them to dislike having to interact in that language. Hint: dance is basically a language. And I've never seen a guy too awkward to learn it. I thought I knew one when I started. Everyone thought he was hopeless. He became a guy that women sought out at dance festivals.
[–]AngledLuffa 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"Hey, wanna go dancing Friday?"
Salsa is not a sensual dance. It is a flirty dance, but if you are doing sensual salsa, you are doing something wrong. Zouk, Bachata and Blues dancing are sensual dances. Kizomba and Tango are intimate. Salsa and Swing are flirty and all about showing off.
Spot on. Thanks for the clarification
[–]Kgb725 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I'm uncoordinated , nervous , and scared. Me and dancing would do well to keep far apart from each other
[–]orisha 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
That's the same thing that saying "I'm skinny and weak, I should stay away from the gym".
Dance will make you improve your coordination, and will make you a more confident person. You are exactly the type that most have to go to dance lessons.
[–]Kgb725 -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
That's just not true at all.
[–]orisha 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm a Tango teacher, and regularly dance Salsa, Kizomba, Swing and other dances.
Rest assure I know what I'm talking about.
[–]bjlmag 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
With what do you disagree? I'm with /u/orisha on that example because I've seen the improvements in all manner of people in both regards. The great thing is that you can see the results of dancing much faster than working out in a gym. It's like learning anything else. Great dancers don't just walk into studios and magically know how to dance without any fear of being a beginner. Great dancers start out just like anybody else and practice.
[–]IamaspyAMNothing 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Practicing anything will make you improve. Even if you're naturally untalented it will help you in some way
[–]Kgb725 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I don't see how
[–]IamaspyAMNothing 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
For example, I'm a phenomenal musician but I'm a very uncoordinated athlete. Even if I don't improve much, I might be able to hit a ball with a lot of practice.
As someone who's competing with people at the highest level after a long time of not doing that, practice is everything. You might never been a super engaging dancer, but having the basics down and being able to lead is a big help. Playing basic chords on a guitar that sound like a popular song is enough, having basic proficiency in dancing will set you above most men, which is a start
[–]ModuRaziel 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This doesnt always work. As someone who took dance lessons at a well known studio for multiple years and performed in a few competitions, I can say from personal experience that it was NOT a good way to meet women (at least, for everyone).
My age was a factor, as I was taking these lessons in my mid-to-late teens, and 95% of the women around were 30+. Additionally, the moves I learned were all completely useless in a club or dance setting. Unless I was dancing with someone who at least new the basic steps to the dance (anything ballroom or latin), it was just a waste of time.
Maybe with older more established women this is something that would be helpful. With anyone under 25-30, I wouldn't bother.
Sorry to hear that's how your situation is, but most of the girls I've danced with are early 20's with me. Age may be a factor in certain locations, but people should get out and try before discounting anything.
[–]__ReginaPhalange__2 points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I go to salsa classes and socials regularly. As another poster said, salsa is more of a flirty showing off dance than some of the others.
I started learning salsa with the intention of moving on to bachata. To me, bachata is way more intimate and, I guess, slightly intimidating. I like the showy nature of salsa and it's great for normalising fun, physical contact with the opposite sex without me feeling awkward. So now that I am a more intermediate salsa dancer I feel confident in myself as a dancer to go onto something more sensual.
Being skilled at salsa (and most dancing tbh) does make a guy look cooler. My instructor is insanely attractive and combined with salsa he has the ability to make every girl he dances with feel special. However, he has the added advantage of being hot even if he couldn't dance. So if you're already a good looking guy and become an advanced salsa dancer, you will be a winner. Even if you're not a 10, a guy who has put in the time and effort to sincerely develop the skill can still be attractive.
At socials if a guy asks me to dance I don't read into because it's like an unspoken rule that we're all here to dance. Salsa is already flirty and everyone is feeling relaxed and having fun, chances are it won't register if a guy is flirting with me. So you have to make sure you engage in some quality flirtation in between dances.
Of course it's way different if you're the one bringing people to a dance as a date. You can teach them basics etc and generally look good in front of them. Personally, I wouldn't enjoy going on a date to a social for a dance I was unfamiliar with if there was no taster class beforehand. I'd feel more relaxed on a date if I wasn't a total novice.
[–]rom9 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I am one of the finest dancers around in my city (and I even instruct salsa time to time) and yet I have issues with girls. Lots will be attracted to you but remember that these girls are used to dancing with many men and you being a dancer or learner does not make a big impact on the social scene unless u got game and you are physically desirable to at least some extent. Danicng will however give u lots of confidence to go out there and not be afraid of things. I was much worse before dancing. Dancing has surely helped me along. But it's not something that will change things unless u tighten your game.
[–]paintwhore 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I disagree. Dancing is so widely enjoyed by the ladies (myself included) that it creates bragability. "The guy I met was sweet and funny, a little awkward, but get this: he DANCES." Friends swoon, and complain about their SO's not dancing, BOOM major brownie points. My hubby is a chef--same exact concept. Chick's love to lord that kind of thing over their friends. You'd have to be a super-douche to mess that up.
[–]bjlmag 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm glad to hear this input. I've already had several girls, including girls in relationships, find me on my campus and ask to join me simply because they know I've been going dancing. I'm still very much a beginner and the effect it apparently has on women continues to astonish me.
That said, /u/rom9 isn't entirely incorrect. At my Latin studio especially, even though I'm a much worse dancer, I do way better than most of the other guys with all the girls there because I do have better game in general.
[–]IamaspyAMNothing 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Would you recommend tango or salsa?
I'm a classical pianist and want to learn styles similar to what I play, but I also want to be able to dance in many situations. Tango looks more oriented with classical music. but salsa is so acrobatic and sexy that it seems like it would be a good challenge for someone with rhythm but without grace like me
[–]rom9 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
In an ideal world I would do both. Salsa is more about speed and precision but it's not very sensual. Tango on the other hand is slow and precise and can be quiet sensual at times. Bachata is far more sensual but is not as technically hard as either salsa or tango. So if u struggle with rhythm start off bachata maybe and then move to tango or salsa. Baby steps. If u don't think bachata is ur thing then either salsa or tango will do depending on what u find comfortable. Get one or two classes of each and see for yourself.
[–]Romnonaldao 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Waaay ahead of you. Love dancing
Fuck ya!
[–]plutoniomfeld 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Swing dancing was a mandatory thing for my school. It doesn't seem everybody knows how to do it but it's quite easy and provides enough fun.
[–]Snazzy_Serval 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Social dancing is something that is mostly frustrating for me. I got into it a few years ago hoping it would help me meet women. It has not.
If anything it's become a bit of tease where I get to interact and play with cute girls who have no interest in me. It's not as bad as giving myself blue balls, but it's close.
As for what dance to focus on, I'd suggest taking a Salsa lesson and a Swing dance/Lindy Hop. Then pay attention to the gender ratios. For whatever reason at my local dance hall there is far more men there at Salsa night. On Swing night there is more women.
[–]stopdoingthat 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Learn some hip hop moves and go clubbing. Don't focus on picking up the girls in class where there is a level playing field, use your moves where nobody else got'em. Depends on your age, I suppose, but 50 and below should focus on dancing at clubs. In my opinion, at least.
[–]saxoriko 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Most girls in clubs can't dance. I only had a couple of salsa lessons, but by confidently dancing with girls in a club you already get compliments like: "wow you can dance so well". During dancing it's easy to escalate; start out with the gril on arm's length. After a while you put her arms around your neck and dance closer. Then go for the kiss or/and isolate.
I love dancing and I second. Only one point of departure. This will be unpopular but I don't like Latin music like Salsa, Bachata or Kizomba. Monotonal, diatonic music which is played one key (or chord), no more than 2 keys, and the only thing that changes is the hook. (the clave is the foundation of the latin beat). I do like Flamenco though...
TRY BOLLYWOOD DANCING instead. It is more energetic than Zoomba and one of the best cardio exercises out there. The music is Amazing, full of variation and richness and highs and lows - absolutely intoxicating.
Here is a Playlist
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqSGfwwKZ-64ImRBIjhJHYtXZ7p_LUyzf
[–]Mr_Talent 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Coming a bit late to the party, but I found this thread through another.
Just yesterday I went to my first ever dance class. First hour was Kizomba, 2nd hour Latin dances. I was terrible at both, but considerably worst at Kizomba... It's incredible how seeing only videos it seems so easy and like nothing, yet in the dance studio, even the simplest steps were hard to execute.
Anyway, the "crowd" was not big. 4 guys (counting me and the teacher) and 5 women. Ages of the females went from 22 to 60. I mean, it was a bit awkward how intimate Kizomba is. The girl really gets close to you and I mean boobs touching your chest close! Then you have a hand on their back and they have a hand on your chest... it was fucking awkward dancing like this with a 60 year old lady. On the other hand, with the 2 girls in their 20s it was pretty sweet :D
Still, I was very stiff, very nervous and also tired. I can't help but feel I was the worst student ever. I will start with 2h per week... lets see how it goes.
[–]olronk 9 years ago [recovered] (23 children) | Copy Link
I've never danced before so I don't think doing it in front of a class is a really smart idea.
But sounds like decent advice and I'll look into seeing if there are any private classes that would be more personal.
[–]MrGiggleFiggle 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
DUDE, just GOOOOO. I'm 26 right now but I've always wanted to dance since I was a kid. I remember watching season 4/5 of SYTYCD and I thought to myself, wow, I wish I could do that. So at the beginning of 2017 I made a conscious decision to learn bachata/salsa. Best decision of the year so far.
Go to a beginner class. At my class during the first lesson, we didn't partner up. We only learned the steps individually first. No one is going to look at you anyways. Everyone is going to concentrate on themselves.
Are you able to side step, like this? If so, you can dance.
[–]morthond 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Uh, do you have anything more basic?
[–]MrGiggleFiggle 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Not sure if you're joking but I'll give you a serious answer in regards to Bachata.
Bachata is from the Dominican and has four beats (or eight). You side step on beats one through three and tap your foot on the fourth. After you get comfortable with just stepping, bend your knees and involve your hips as well.
[–]morthond 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks, I was only half joking.
[–]olronk0 points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Well I've never danced before and I don't think I'm able to side step or do any dance moves so no I can't really dance.
It's something I've always wondered about and thought of about a year ago but I wondered what the point of it even is. As in even if I learn how to dance I don't really know what application of it would be.
[–]ScaryShadowx 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link
No no no.
Advice from someone who's been dancing for about a decade, and who teaches.
One of the best aspect of dancing is the social aspect. When you start you are all beginners. Almost everyone sucks but that's completely fine because everyone is learning. Essentially you all suck together.
Taking private classes kinda kills half the fun because it becomes a bit more serious. You miss the chance to make friends, go out together, and actually have a crack at one of the other students.
If you are seriously uncomfortable, go to the private, but I generally would say give the classes a go as well.
[–]olronk 9 years ago [recovered] (9 children) | Copy Link
Well I've never danced before in my life so I think I might not really be a dancing type of guy.
I'm thinking if it's something I'm going to look into maybe I should work on it before I present it in a social setting like a class full of people.
It's something I've thought about but I'm not sure I can see myself dancing so I've always been on the fence about because even if I do learn how to dance I wouldn't really know what to do with that information or skill. Like I'm not really sure what's it's use even is.
[–]King_Awkward_IV 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
You seem like a hesitant fellow who would rather to nothing than risk minor failure.
Having occasionally been that guy I can tell you that it a great way to throw away your life.
But equally true: You might really be a dancing type of guy!
[–]olronk 9 years ago [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link
Well right now I'm weighing options and applications.
If I do learn how to dance I'm wondering what I would even use that skill for as I've never been in a situation where it even came up.
I understand dancing is a skill to learn but I'm not sure what I could use it for. If I should learn dancing or focus on a skill more applicable to my life.
[–]King_Awkward_IV 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
You misunderstand. This is simpler than it seems.
The dance class is the situation where dancing comes up. As you learn, you also socialize with the other equally incompetent students.
It's also not a huge investment. You'll know after a few sessions, at most, if this is something for you.
[–]olronk 9 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
I'll definitely look into it. I've been wondering what to transition to after been doing yoga for about two years I wanna try something different.
Even before this post I was thinking of either dancing or boxing. But I don't really know how I can apply dancing off the top of my head.
[–]King_Awkward_IV 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Just to repeat this once more:
A dance class is the place to apply the dancing. The people I know who Dance, usually go to classes, year after year. You can go dancing at Salsa clubs or whatever, and some do, but mostly it's classes.
So it's not like a school where you study for years and after graduation you can finally start using your skills. It all happens at once, and you'll know very soon if it's for you or not.
Sorry to harp on about this. I know I sometimes need nagging, and you seem a bit like me.
[–]olronk1 point 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I figured that if you go to a class then you're there to learn said subject in order to utilize what you learned later somewhere else.
I'll look into giving it a try, was leaning towards boxing but maybe this would be different.
[–]Moderatorrecyclablebanthas 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Selectively reading posts again? ;) ;)
I urge you to reread OPs post again.
He discusses how social partner dancing involves a skill set that is applicable in areas outside of the dance floor. Like physical escalation. It really is kino on autopilot. It really does help confidence off the dance floor. Etc.
[–]olronk 9 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
Well when I pondered taking dance classes I was mostly doing it to learn the skill myself and not really to get a date or sex.
I know this is posted in seduction for that exact reason but I wasn't looking to learn it in hopes to get laid necessarily.
I was mostly doing it to learn the skill myself and not really to get a date or sex.
You're doing it again. I'm going to kindly ask that I you read what I just posted again carefully. Do I specifically say social dancing is to get "a date or sex?"
If I meant that, I would have said exactly that.
This is a bad habit, adding extra meaning to what you read.
Lastly, I was much like you when I got I to social partner dancing. It's great if you're into self-flagellation. It's great as a pursuit of personal aeathetic improvement. All improvements in a thing like this are victories over oneself.
[–]Big_TX 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Dude thats what thew fucking class is for, to learn! don't worry about it
I've considered it before, but mostly wondering what the applications of it would be if I do learn it. Never been in a situation where I needed to know how to dance.
Just weighing options and applications.
[–]Big_TX 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
They'll probably give you a free week of lesions or something. I recommend going to see if you like it. Some really like it. If you don't like it I don't think there is much value in learning it honestly (unless you learn two step and live in the south (or maybe just Texas) becaue then you can go to dance halls. Or if you can learn the type of slasa they dance in the clubs in Latin America, it will help you a lot in those countries if you ever travel there.
I don't know man free lesions doesn't sound great
Trust me man, it's worth a shot especially if it's an actual class rather than just an open floor. If everyone is there to learn and you go to do that and have fun, nobody should be judging you for showing up. I haven't met anyone at the venues I've attended who was pretentious rather than excited to help beginners. That said, if private is better for you, that's great too.
Most of the people in a dance class are there because they can dance. Many of them have absolutely zero dance background.
Classes with a social component would be better than a one on one situation.
I'll be honest, getting up out onto the floor for that very first dance class was the hardest damned thing I have ever been faced with. But I am so beyond glad that I did.
[–]AR-47 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I've been playing drums for 7 years now. You'd figure I can keep count just fine with swing dancing, but I just fucking can't. I wanna make girls twirl because bitches love getting twirled.
[–]stopdoingthat 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Drumming activates a completely different set of muscles. Coordination and rhythm doesn't translate well between different muscle groups without training.
It takes practice but it can be done. I played drums for about that long myself, so take it from me, you just gotta dive in. If you can accept that you'll be a beginner for a while but still let yourself have fun, you can learn very quickly and the results will surprise you.
[–]Cookiest -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Anyone know of free salsa lessons in manhattan?
[–]Xanarxses -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fuck that.
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