How do you cope with the mindset that RP men have? (Sincere question)

All_Lurk_No_Post365 · 2021-12-05T21:43:33+00:00

Listen to me, men don't find the red pill when they're doing well with women/dating. They find if after either been burned, been played, or cannot get laid. There's a lot of anger and hurt in there and is often toxic. A lot of guys are just afraid of being hurt again or getting played.

There's no point for a woman to read men's RP. Those are the men women aren't even attracted to and that's why they're there trying to learn. Just focus on building yourself so you can snag a HVM. Good luck.

Niki_Biryani · 2021-12-05T21:35:54+00:00

Most men in TRP are just that. They have recently swallowed the red pill and haven't come to terms with it. It takes years to understand the TRP concept. Once men do, there is no reason to hang around on the TRP forum for men.

Also, I refuse to believe any man would be insecure enough to claim using lube is a red flag. Were you hanging out with teenagers? Try to get their age to understand who you are talking to. TRP is full of 15-18-year-old boys.

cats5483 · 2021-12-05T11:10:05+00:00

theres a really great post on the sidebar that i recommend you read

i hope this clears things up! it definitely did for me.

1master_dom · 2021-12-05T13:32:40+00:00

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KingOfTheNightfort · 2021-12-05T16:11:31+00:00

Men in that subreddit were raised to be bluepill and swallowed the redpill later in life, that’s why they are so angry at women and relationships. They feel like they have been lied to. Most of them are low value.

I was raised redpill, with a redpill father and a redpill mother. They taught me how men and women really are, how gender roles have a purpose. I do not go to that sub, they have the mentality i had when i was a teenager and i wasn’t used with rejection and relationships.

DrBoby · 2021-12-05T23:02:11+00:00

I'm a red pill man and I don't visit this sub because it's filled with idiots.

It's not due to them being red pill. You have idiot communities revolving around anything. For exemple r/worldnews is also filled with idiots, and it's not due to world news. It's due to circlejerk and echo chamber behavior.

Baridi · 2021-12-05T18:15:51+00:00

I used to TRP but I became disillusioned with not the concept but the user base involved. It used to be about recognizing value in relationships. But as it progressed as reddit often does, the user base shifted from people seeking self improvement to straight up incel behavior. Slut shaming and whatnot. I thought the point was to help men understand what makes them valuable as a catch. But it became a circlejerk of "Haha old slut hit wall go brrr."

Usually I refrain from posting here because I am not a woman, though I do lurk from time to time. (Pretty sure most, if not all TRP male subreddits have been banned.) But I just wanted to chime in on saying that I think TRP has kinda got in the wrong track. I don't really have intent on looking for this refuge community you've found because of it.

RPsplainer · 2021-12-06T04:14:36+00:00

Just because a forum has "red pill" in the title doesn't mean that any of the posts or forum members are "red pilled".

You just walked into the men's locker room and didn't like the conversation, thats all. None of what you describe is red pill, its just guys talking.

As for your questions in your 2nd to last paragraph, that is why the red pill exists. Guys owe you "leadership" and "protection" and "respect" in the same way that you owe them a sloppy deep throated blowjob to completion.

Foxrhapsody · 2021-12-05T16:44:26+00:00

By avoiding RP men. I think there’s a big difference between a quality traditional man you meet irl and a man who is into redpill on the Internet

Sea_Bookkeeper_1533 · 2021-12-05T12:34:39+00:00

I realised my opinion is genuinely irrelevant. None of that material is for me to understand or judge. I am not their target audience and frankly my dear, they don't give a shit. So I mind my business.

Acrobatic-Stuff · 2021-12-05T10:52:00+00:00

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HappilyMrs · 2021-12-05T17:55:38+00:00

I dont give it much thought tbh, most of it is just deeply unpleasant. I will read MRP sometimes, but even that I take with a large pinch of salt.

The world is wider and more complex than any binary Pill system. Use anything that helps you personally, ditch the rest.

I don't have a RP husband (which I am glad about), but some of the advice here helps our relationship run smoother and happier, so I take those bits and ignore the things that don't fit for us

RStonePT · 2021-12-15T14:38:23+00:00

You're reading the words from anger phased young men who need a place to vent, and eventually learn something. As a girl there is nothing for you there and it's a waste of time to. There's rabble rousing narcissists who just want to win the popularity game (as lame as that sounds) and there's a very very small percentage of dudes who move the red pill ball forward.

The vast majority talk about women in the abstract, let that sink in. The ones who learned and grew have generally moved on. THATS why it skews so shocking as you put it. Men who don't need help aren't in a sub for help.

Besides, if you are looking for a relationship (and I assume you are) you'd probably get a more accurate picture from lurking in the married redpill.

1master_dom · 2021-12-05T16:01:43+00:00

You don’t need a redpilled man, you need a high value traditional man.

High value traditional men are likely bluepilled, and know nothing of the negative aspects of female nature. They’re naive.

High value redpill men are near impossible to get commitment from, they’re going to be eternal bachelors.

The statement that a redpilled woman is an oxymoron is almost plausible. It would mean accepting damning things about yourself. Such as your hypergamy, tendency to manipulate using feminine wiles ect.

An example would be Esther Vilar who was rare, and hated so much by women that she got regular death threats.

sottera777 · 2021-12-05T14:28:08+00:00

Those types of men are mgtow dudes. They are definitely NOT high value or masculine because all they do is bitch and moan about how unfair life is and about how some girl did them wrong. Theyre effeminate. You definitely can find masculine providers who are not mgtow whiney babies!

Apocalypseistheansw · 2021-12-05T20:28:50+00:00

I’m in both subreddits (RPW and TRP) and, honestly TRP looks more like a bunch of boys receiving bad and nihilistic advice about woman.

One can’t blame some thoughts they have since many woman do help to build a very bad image for their gender, but men there have a big trust problem and kinda nihilistic perspective about the opposite gender so looking for the “redpill” life seems more secure.

Jordan Peterson once said in a interview that one needs a lot of courage and trust to be vulnerable and you won’t see they talking about it. Actually, is the complete opposite… no woman, no kinds, no family because it doesn’t bring advantages to you life or they will bring you down. Something like that.

Redpill is more about being strong, having commitments, and archiving your goals in a realistic way. On TRP you can find some good posts, but mostly are just the same bad advices and propaganda against family and woman.

My advice? Forget about red/bluepill, tradicional or liberal or whatever way ppl seek to classify themselves. It’s just a way to create a movement about an ideal and not to help people to learn about life. One difference I like is that here people will tell you redpill is just a tool and on TRP they take it as their life path.

P.s. Peterson has some good thoughts about modern and young man, maybe it can help you to better understand why they are like that.

P.s.2 I apologize if something isn’t clear, I’m not a native speaker.

Pycnostyle · 2021-12-05T21:29:43+00:00

A few things to think about:

There is no exclusivity law about who can use the term "Red Pill". It's a metaphor from a movie, symbolizing the revelation that the society and its rules that you thought were truth were actually a lie that's convenient for someone other than you. That is naturally going to mean different things to different people.
Unlike the movie, "taking the red pill" in real life isn't just a pill that you pop and enlightenment is now yours. It's a long and sometimes unpleasant journey of unlearning those lies and learning the truth. Different people in red pill communities are going to be at different places in that journey and also in different head spaces. Some will feel helpless and lash out, and I see you've noticed that.
Learning how to survive in a society where you can accept the truths of human nature and also not alienate others who prefer to believe the lies is a skill in and of itself. On the men's side, we try to fight the good fight and encourage our community not to "go full autist", but anyway some people are better at that than others.
I think it's a known issue that while we try to set our blackpill members straight, sometimes it's just too exhausting.
Red pill is ruthlessly amoral and we make no judgment on how people use truth. Truth is a worthy enough goal in its own right. It can be useful in personal physical and mental health. It can be useful in business. It can be useful in life satisfaction. It can even be useful to be a selfish twit.
It can also (duh) be useful in sexual strategy. Some men will want to use RP knowledge to have as much sex with as many women as possible. Some will want to apply it to their relationships. Many of us got bored spinning plates and asked isn't there more to life?
I see zero reason we should take it on faith that a red pill woman should seek out a red pill man. Maybe she should and maybe she shouldn't. It's a theory that we should discuss and wrestle with, as part of our pursuit of truth.

Personally, I believe that a red pilled woman can potentially have a mutually beneficial and fulfilling relationship with a red pilled man, but it really depends on how the individuals involved want to use our respective truths. I used mine to be a generally engaged and invigorated person. I know my mission in life and it feels good and right to seek it. I cherish and value the love and support from my wife, and I also apply red pill principles to keep her interested and remind her that she's sailing on the right ship, to borrow a metaphor.

I don't know if that's right for every woman, though. My wife knows that I'm with her because I want her as part of my mission, not because I need her to be. That's that principle of outcome independence rendering its unpleasant head of truth. She is amazing and I love her like crazy, but she is not my mission. It's not like I throw that in her face on the daily or anything (which would obviously be "full autist"), but she knows damn well that a vagina and uterus don't make her special (over half the human population have those) and that I'm looking for something way more valuable from her than just that.

dirtyhippie62 · 2021-12-05T16:31:58+00:00

What’s their new sub called?

sinisterforces · 2021-12-05T18:42:05+00:00

You should look for a traditional man, not neccesarily a "red pill" one. A lot of men that call them selves redpill attach certain own opinions and conclusion regarding the implications of rpt, which makes them very unsuitable partners. RP is a very vague term, and can mean a lot of things. Everything from "being aware of male/female nature and interdymanics between those" to men like that above.

crater01 · 2021-12-05T20:36:26+00:00

Redpill for men at this point is very different for women, specifically this subreddit. I’ve seen mods talk about how a lot of “redpill” men have entirely different goals than us - many don’t want to get married ever. They basically want to get with as many attractive women forever, amass their wealth, and never settle down, and all of that is fine and dandy, but there’s no coping with it for RP women because we already know where the line is drawn.

I have old school, traditional parents, but I would never describe them as redpill lol. Many (not all) of our parents were most likely authentically traditional because of the culture they grew up in. A lot of us now have to relearn or recreate these situations so we can have similar relationships. So while TRP on Reddit may have good advice from time to time, I think the topic of “coping” is out the window because none of us should be listening to people who 1) talk about women like they’re disposable 2) say women under 24 are already used up and trashed and 3) have no intentions on getting married anyway.

ajemn · 2021-12-06T01:21:02+00:00

I’m married to a very hvm who has hvm friends. None of them have even heard of the red pill.

ChadCon3000 · 2021-12-06T02:18:57+00:00

At the end of the day they’re just random assholes on the internet. Nbd.

And I’m just another random asshole who’s now advice-ing you but what the hell why not:

There are red pilled men who are chucklefucks.

There are men who know nothing of TRP but just know their value and act like it.

Don’t sweat it. Trustworthy people to date are hard to fine no matter your gender or beliefs on sexual dynamics.

Vet well, be a person worth dating yourself and you’ll be alright.

1987dd1987 · 2021-12-05T13:03:53+00:00

https://open.spotify.com/episode/4Sm54QNo93M5az5qGa1n8I?si=M0fH55NQR3yrfN8TvEg4Wg

This podcast helped me understand the dynamics a little better

ronn7x · 2021-12-06T06:48:58+00:00

RP men mindset is fundamentally: Reals before Feels.

Instead of professing that it's okay based off of personal experience/feelings, you could respond with something more discussable or corelate-able.

For example:

Which part of the vagina is responsible for lubrication and how much fluid can it hold?

How many ounces of fluid can a given vagina produce and at what rate?

Which factors are proven to stimulate lubrication?

Which physiological properties correlate with amount of fluid and its rate?

Is the fluid's moisture easily absorbed by the male's penile skin?

Does latex effect wetness?

I know this sounds like too much of a hassle but that's how I see the usual RP discussions going.

Rispy_Girl · 2021-12-06T09:12:02+00:00

The subreddit r/asktrp was much better. Sadly reddit margenilized it out of existence.

LateralThinker13 · 2021-12-07T02:14:02+00:00

Consider this basic red pill truth:

Women acting blue pill are often bitter, unhappy, even hateful people. They look for a better, true path, and find RPW, and learn a happier, healthier, more positive way to treat men and earn a LTR to a HVM by raising their RMV.

Men acting blue pill are often unfulfilled beta providers who get dumped for Chad Thundercock. They look for answers and truth and find TRP, improve their status/SMV and get SEX with hot chicks.

These are polar opposite origin stories. Best way I can sum up the difference.

LordgenbuUSA · 2021-12-07T16:48:21+00:00

I think it’s strange that women go to apps for dating like bumble or tinder which have been marketed to men as sex apps.

Drunk_Cat_Phil · 2021-12-08T11:40:53+00:00

First off, they absolutely can and should work together. In fact, they work better together than any other combination, however there are caveats and the caveats are important.

There are different stages for a man's redpill experience and different types of redpill men. Every man goes through some kind of 'redpill rage' period. It's just the natural reaction to feeling lied to all your life-avoid them during this period. They can and do phase out of that (some go doom pill and they should be avoided like the plague). Some end up becoming MGTOW (which is more because of shit divorce laws) and some end up being PUAs (play boys) and some end up using everything they have learnt to become 'purple pill'-married with a redpill mindset. Depends on the guy, his age, the culture, the divorce laws and the quality of women around him. You want a guy that has gotten all the rage out of his system (usually takes a year or so) and kicked on and decided to become the best man he can be.

You can try dating a bluepill guy but you might find he doesn't 'get it'. You might feel insecure, like you can't totally relax and be fully feminine, can't truly rely on him etc.

The redpill was the best thing that ever happened to me and it's made my relationships with women (friends, family and my gf) so much better. I'm a much better man having taken the redpill. I'm 20kg (44 pounds) heavier, I'm healthier, leaner, more assertive, self confident, decisive, happier, calmer, less confused, and I want that responsibility.

I find it hard to imagine why any woman would choose bluepill me over redpill me. I was a loser!

ForeverSwinging · 2021-12-14T15:08:51+00:00

Understand that a lot of it is coming from anger and hurt that they have, and while understandably so you’re better off reading it than engaging in it. I do think that the response you posted in response to his question was a good one, and all you can do is put your opinion out there. It’s up to him to take advice. The two communities need their own venting spaces.

Tyred_Biggums · 2021-12-15T05:11:28+00:00

RP women exist in the context that they are aware of relationship needs with male and female polarity. The Disney fantasy doesn’t exist and for BOTH parties to be happy - there must be minimal ego protections.

They know the score…it’s only men that are fooled.”

A true RP man doesn’t keep a scoreboard

I went on to reassure that her needing lube for the 4th round is normal, especially with rough sex. It had nothing to do with her not being turned on at him. No one agreed and they all told him that he was being played since she needed lube and didn’t physically want him enough.

A true RP man wouldn’t need validation of a “wet pussy” to know he is the prize.

He was told to lie/not tell either of them about the other because “you don’t owe women the truth.”

A true RP man would know what he wants and not lie about it for a single woman / to save a relationship

In other parts the men were saying you can never stoop so low as to only be with one woman. Once you’re a boyfriend you’re a beta.

A true RP man wouldn’t give two shits what internet weirdos think and make his own decision.

as women supposed to respect men that don’t want to be a leader or a protector or show us even a small amount of respect?

No. Most men suck. There are very very limited HVM out there who lead, guide, and protect. I know the amount of times I’ve yelled at my LtR is 0 in 19 months. 0 raising my voice. I accept woman as they are - they are chaotic, feminine, soft, emotional, and damn fun. Your “old” trp people don’t get that. I created a D/s relationship which has amped up the dynamic more. I respect her needs and wants. I choose what’s best. I know what she needs better than she does and deliver. That’s our agreement. I don’t get mad at her for being a woman. That’s just like yelling at the weather for causing rain.

The questions women need to ask themselves is “if I want a HVM what do I need to bring to the table?”
Fit Sexy Feminine Fun Service oriented Etc

All help.

Title	How do you cope with the mindset that RP men have? (Sincere question)
Author	aitathrowaway707
Upvotes	67
Comments	78
Date	December 5, 2021 10:47 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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