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19-year-old woman who punched an elderly man unconscious in the street, causing him to fall to the ground, hit his head and then die a week later, is cleared of causing his death. Instead, she was charged with "wounding" and given a six-month curfew

Kagedeah

April 4, 2022
2386 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/baby-faced-teenager-punches-man-6900890
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Title 19-year-old woman who punched an elderly man unconscious in the street, causing him to fall to the ground, hit his head and then die a week later, is cleared of causing his death. Instead, she was charged with "wounding" and given a six-month curfew
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Date April 4, 2022 10:52 AM UTC
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Comments

[–]stofugluggi 568 points569 points570 points 4 years ago (101 children) | Copy Link

Did I hear double standards?

[–][deleted] 253 points254 points255 points 4 years ago (32 children) | Copy Link

Nah bruh, somehow thats just internalised misogyny on the old man's part of the story

[–]Grow_peace_in_Bedlam 139 points140 points141 points 4 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link

Exactly, how dare people criticize this valiant warrior in her heroic direct attack against the patriarchy? /S

[–]Great-Gap1030 106 points107 points108 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

6 months sentence for directly causing the death of a man.

Seriously? Where is their so-called justice?

[–]SomeLo5er 89 points90 points91 points 4 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link

White women are the most protected class in the western world and the one that complains the most, go figure.

Also, why I am not surprised this happened in the UK ?

[–]NohoTwoPointOh 22 points23 points24 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Amazing to me how everyone is finally realizing this. I can play a certain song by the Guess Who and it fits like a glove.

[–]ChaoticGoodSamaritan 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tocqueville_effect#:~:text=The%20Tocqueville%20effect%20(also%20known,Europe%20and%20the%20United%20States.

[–]WikiSummarizerBot[🍰] 26 points27 points28 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Tocqueville effect

The Tocqueville effect (also known as the Tocqueville paradox) is the phenomenon in which, as social conditions and opportunities improve, social frustration grows more quickly. The effect is based on Alexis de Tocqueville's observations on the French Revolution and later reforms in Europe and the United States. Another way to describe the effect is the aphorism "the appetite grows by what it feeds on". For instance, after greater social justice is achieved, there may be more fervent opposition to even smaller social injustices than before.

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[–]SomeLo5er 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You deserve more credit for that link. Infinitely grateful I am!

[–]Jakot85 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Also, why I am not surprised this happened in the UK?

Because we live in such an arsehole CUNTry!

[+]RayDho88 -11 points-10 points-9 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Actually, white men are, followed by white women.

[–]SomeLo5er 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not necessarily, women get more lenient sentences for the same crimes.

[–]gjs628 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, because it’s widely known that white men win every custody battle, get paid the most in alimony from the mothers of their children, and let’s not forget rape! When a white man is raped by a woman, he’s believed and sympathised with 100% of the time! Whereas women just laugh at other women, with phrases like “What are you, lesbian? I thought you liked getting dicked down?? Just lie back and enjoy, it’s free dick! I wish some guy would keep me locked in his basement and rearrange my guts with his dick whenever he pleased!”

White men are definitely way more protected than white women. 🙄

Oh wait, that’s Billionaires you’re thinking of. That’s right, it’s Billionaires that get away with murder, not white men in general.

[–]BrickDaddyShark 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You are literally looking at a white woman being sentenced to 1/20 of the sentence she should have.

[–][deleted] 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]RayDho88 -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Pussy pass? Wtf.

[–]Angryasfk 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s the idea that women are let off of things because they’re women. Plenty of women at least instinctively know this and go on about “oh you can’t pick on me, I’m a poor defenceless woman” or “they’re only picking on me because I’m a woman”. And shortly before they were “strong” and “independent” and all that. I’ve seen political leaders do this when caught out. They think playing this will make people go easy on them.

[+]RayDho88 -11 points-10 points-9 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Which is a thing that actually exists. So your sarcasm is unnecessary.

[–]FlatTire2005 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Are you saying this man was a misogynist so he deserved to die? Because otherwise you’d be saying this woman shouldn’t be in trouble because sexism is a thing. Or finally, you’re just deflecting and talking about something completely unrelated for no reason because no one said internalized misogyny didn’t exist.

So what flavor of terrible are you?

[–]Mythandros 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Patriarchy has never existed. It's like the boogey man or the Easter bunny, or Santa.

It's completely made up. By feminists, your ilk.

[–]RayDho88 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Patriarchy exists lmao. I can tell how educated you and the other incels (your like) on this sub are and that you've never picked up a history book in your life. That or you're just choosing to be oblivious and ignorant for bliss.

[–]Mythandros 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Patriarchy exists lmao.

This is proof of your brainwashing.

I suppose you'll tell me there's a giant tea cup the size of Texas floating on the dark side of the moon next?

That's how completely foolish you sound.

I can tell how educated you and the other incels (your like) on this sub are

I can tell you're a feminist because you resort to insults when someone disagrees with you like immediately. You're not capable of considering another viewpoint.

Sad.

and that you've never picked up a history book in your life.

Uh-huh. /s

Cool story, bro.

By the way, I put in the /s because I'm sure I'm taxing your last functioning brain cell to its absolute limit with my reply. I don't want it to burn out because of me.

You're welcome. :)

That or you're just choosing to be oblivious and ignorant for bliss.

Realistic. The word you are looking for is realistic.

I don't believe in things that don't exist. Patriarchy has never existed and never will.

Go back to the sewer with the other feminist ilk and stay there. You can be ignorant there all you want, where your damaging and evil beliefs don't harm anyone else.

See ya.

[–]RayDho88 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Your stupidity is unmatchable. Congratulations. You talk about ignorance while drowning in it - how ironic. I can tell that you have no brain cells let alone one lmao. Go back to the garbage dump where you and youe thoughts reside. Patriarchy exists, pick up a history book. Just because it's an inconvenient truth for you lmao doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[–]Mythandros 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

All I'm hearing is "Blah blah blah rubber blah blah blah glue, something something"

You're truly pathetic and deluded beyond any hope of reason if you actually believe anything you've said here.

[–]Angryasfk 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In the minds of feminists to “explain” women who don’t like feminism and it’s vilification of men.

[+]RayDho88 -9 points-8 points-7 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Internalized misogyny is an actual thing but ok - go off.

[–]FlatTire2005 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fucking lol. A woman gets a slap on the wrist for committing manslaughter and you’re offended because some people have internalized misogyny… which wasn’t even denied here in the first place.

The only sexism here is the woman not getting in trouble.

[–]Mythandros 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

No, no it's not.

You need to put down the feminism, it's damaging your brain permanently.

[–]RayDho88 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes, yes it is. You need to put down the incel, it has already damaged your brain beyond repair.

[–]Mythandros 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Being told my brain is damaged by a feminist means I'm doing something right. Thanks for the confirmation and I will continue to shine a light on your evil beliefs.

[–][deleted] 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]Mythandros 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You act like a feminist, you have beliefs like a feminist. If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

One of the hallmark signs of a feminist is using words like "incel" as a pejorative.

You really shouldn't be using words you don't know the meaning of, just some free advice.

Have a nice life, we're done.

[–]the2xstandard 29 points30 points31 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, you did.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Sorry! What did you say!? I can't hear you over the extreme grating in my ears of a double standard being present!

[–]RayDho88 -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lame.

[–]nflcansmd 54 points55 points56 points 4 years ago (58 children) | Copy Link

Hijacking top comment to explain the law.

Murder in the UK requires 'malice aforethought' which is taken to mean intent to cause at least GBH.

The problem here is that you cannot prove she has this level of intent. The normal person would not expect that they would knock someone unconscious with one punch and it seems unlikely that she would have foreseen this if it was a spurious act.

Therefore a conviction for murder does not seem forthcoming from a mental standpoint.

If we work our way down the offences there is a potential issue of causation, was her action the legal and factual cause of the death. To this end her striking the old man and him hitting his head and dying are, to me, a connected event with no break in the chain of causation (indeed it was as there was no intervention between the two occurring).

Therefore, there should be no issue of causation, unless there is gross negligence which causes the death when he would not have normally died. His advanced age or any other characteristic shouldn't be considered as the precedent is that victims must be treated 'as found' (thin skull rule from R v Blaue).

The fact she gets a 'wounding' conviction leads me to believe she was charged under s.20 of the Offences Against the Person's Act 1861. This is likely because she lacks the mental element of any higher offence, she did not intend to cause GBH but was reckless as to whether GBH was caused. She had not committed wounding though as, by law, a wound is a 'cut or break in the continuity of the whole skin' (C v Eisenhower).

Her sentence of only 6 months is still unduly lenient and should be appealed on those grounds. An important note is that she would not be classed as a dangerous prisoner so would likely be released on licence after only 3 months served.

TLDR:

She was convicted of the correct offence but should have received a greater sentence as 6 months is unduly lenient.

[–]Angryasfk 38 points39 points40 points 4 years ago* (14 children) | Copy Link

Even without intent, she could have been done for manslaughter (which is a much more serious offence than the one she was ultimately tried for). In my state we had a notorious case of an Asian taxi driver who was killed in somewhat similar circumstances (it wasn’t a one punch job though) and his killer got manslaughter and only 27 months! There were a lot of complaints, especially from the widow about the “evidence” which she felt should have been stressed that she imagined would have led to a murder conviction. Part of the reason for the prominence of the incident was that the media (and the widow) tried to make it a racial incident, not just the attack (possibly true, although the attacker sounded like an all-round violent thug) but also by the authorities and jury (which I don’t believe). He could have/should have had a much longer sentence - as manslaughter allows for much tougher penalties that he got.

In this case it’s looks like she got away with it because “two experts” claimed that her attack, and his injuries were not factors in his death. Hence she didn’t cause his death, or contribute to it. I’ve no idea if this is true or not.

[–]nflcansmd 21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I stand corrected. I don't pay enough attention to unlawful act/constructive manslaughter and she could have been charged with that.

"Manslaughter falls into two broad categories: involuntary and voluntary.

Involuntary manslaughter is unlawful killing without the intent to kill or cause really serious harm and is a common law offence.

There are two classes of involuntary manslaughter: unlawful act manslaughter and manslaughter by gross negligence.

Unlawful act manslaughter is charged when death occurs due to a criminal act which a reasonable person would realise must subject some other person to at least the risk of some physical harm. It doesn’t matter whether or not the offender knew that the act was unlawful and dangerous or whether harm was intended. This is by far the most common type of manslaughter with around 100 offenders being sentenced annually. It often involves deaths that come about as a result of assaults, a typical scenario being the so-called “one punch” manslaughter. These can vary enormously in the planning and intention of the offender. There could be a situation not far from being an accident such as a minor argument between friends where one pushes the other who unexpectedly falls and suffers fatal injuries. In another situation, someone with a history of violence may go out looking for a fight and hit a stranger as hard as possible in an unprovoked attack. The harm is the same, but the culpability of the offenders in these situations is very different.

In one case, sentenced in 2016, a “silly row” between two men who had been close friends for 45 years led to one hitting the other, who fell, striking his head, which caused his death. The family of the victim asked for the sentence to be suspended, but a 28-month sentence was imposed. By contrast, another man with a history of violence, who pleaded guilty to manslaughter was sentenced to six years in prison for killing a man in an unprovoked attack in the street."

Source: https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/blog/post/manslaughter-explained/#:~:text=There%20are%20two%20classes%20of,and%20manslaughter%20by%20gross%20negligence.

Ultimately I won't remove my other comment because it is correct to the case at hand due to the experts but I'll put this here none the less.

[–]velvetalocasia 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That would still not have applied, as you know, the punch did not cause his death according to two specialists.

[–]deusdeorum 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

I find it hard to believe the experts given the man died within 5 days of blunt force trauma (both initial from a lunging punch that knocked him to the ground and the impact to his head hitting the ground caused by said punch) caused by this woman.

Seems at a minimum she should be charged with manslaughter, any court would convict a man of the same charge without a second thought.

[–]andejoh 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That begs the question then what did he die of? If he didn't die of the punch, they should have been able to point to something else. Was it illegal to tell the court or did they not want the court to know? Is it illegal for the court to say? I don't think your cause of death is covered under privacy laws.

[–]Angryasfk 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I’ve no idea. The article simply states that two “experts” testified that she didn’t contribute to his death.

Now I’d imagine the added stress of the injuries she inflicted may have been enough to tip him over the edge even if he had a pre-existing condition, but what do I know? I’m not a doctor, pathologist or physiologist, and we don’t know what the cause of death was.

[–]velvetalocasia -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

So where did you get your medical degree?

[–]3-10 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

We can find an expert who says the pyramids were built by aliens.

[–]velvetalocasia -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

And will that guy have an acknowledged education, will work in this field and can you find a second who says the same?

[–]3-10 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Of course you can find 2 people. I can find 2 medical ethicists with degrees and accreditation who support post birth abortion, especially if they are baby boys.

Finding a recognized professional to take almost any position isn’t that hard.

[–]velvetalocasia -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

What? Post birth abortion? You talking the shit mras are advocating for?

[–]3-10 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I have no problem with a father renouncing his fatherhood, I do have a problem with killing an unwanted human, but Peter Sanger comes to mind that he was okay with killing a born baby if the mother changes her mind.

[–]ijoejoe109 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

100%, even if you kill some by accident with no malicious intent you can be charged with manslaughter.

[–]Angryasfk 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly!

It’s the “expert opinion” that meant this wasn’t a manslaughter case.

[–]Vivaelpueblo 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As a white male I wonder what sentence I would receive if I got into an argument with a 58 year old woman and punched her and then she subsequently died...?

Anyone think it would be 6 months or less...?

By the way I think your analysis is entirely correct.

[–]Lumpy_Constellation 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link

It's also worth noting that two separate medical examiners, a pathologist and a neuropathologist, both concluded that she did not cause his death. Mr. Turner was offered medical care after the incident, paramedics and an ambulance arrived on site, and he refused medical care. He chose not to get medical care for almost a week after his head injury and died 6 days after the punch. The reports and testimonies of these two examiners were cited as the primary reason she was not found guilty.

[–]Angryasfk 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

The article only says he didn’t want to go to hospital. Not quite refusing medical care (they must have at least helped him get up as apparently he couldn’t do that alone). And that has no baring on whether she’s responsible for his death anyway.

[–]Lumpy_Constellation 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

I mean you can disagree, but you're not disagreeing with me. I'm just repeating what the article reported. You're disagreeing with the reports of the pathologist and neuropathologist. And personally I wouldn't consider "helping someone up" to be medical care, I imagine the point was that he was told by paramedics that he should see a doctor for proper care after a head injury, and he chose not to.

[–]Angryasfk 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

It said he refused to go to hospital. Not that he refused treatment. It also said he tried to get up, but couldn’t. The story is garbled and contradictory, especially compared to accounts at the time. He had a 7” gash on his head. Do you honestly think the paramedics wouldn’t have at least given first aid?

And where do you get off saying I “disagree” with the pathologists testimony? I’ve been pointing that out.

[–]Lumpy_Constellation 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

I honestly think that he had a gash on his head and trouble standing, and still decided not to get the treatment that would have been standard for a head injury and that I have no doubt the paramedics told him he needed. Simple first aid performed on the sidewalk would not be considered recommended treatment for a head injury. He made that decision to forego proper care again and again every day for almost a week before he died. I think the pathologist and neuropathologist clearly both believe he died because he did not get that treatment, and that if he hadn't made that choice he would have survived.

[–]Angryasfk 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago* (14 children) | Copy Link

Again and again every day until he died? Really? Where did you get that from? He died in hospital apparently. So he must have gone at some point.

[–]Lumpy_Constellation -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Yes, he decided not to see a doctor every day until his death. That decision to forego recommended care is what ultimately caused his death according to two pathologists, that's what the article said and I'm literally just reporting it. I don't see any information saying he died in the hospital either, just that he refused to.

[–]Angryasfk 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

And which article is that one Lumpy? Not the one that’s linked to.

There’s this earlier story (at the time of his death) which says he was taken to hospital! Here’s the link: https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/murder-investigation-launched-after-bridlington-5885194

So where is the article saying he refused medical treatment day in and day out until he died? And even if true (and it sounds like you’re making it up since it isn’t in “the article” and you’ve not mentioned another one) you could hardly say she played no part in his death! She would have inflicted the injuries that killed him regardless of whether or not seeking earlier treatment may have saved his life. The article actually DID say her actions played no part.

So if you have evidence of your claims, put up the link. If not…

[–]Angryasfk 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

And it’s a long bow to say he would have lived if he’d gotten treatment.

Sheash, I thought those here calling her a murderer and assuming the pathologists were feminists, or trying to claim they probably said the punch didn’t kill him, hitting his head on the pavement did, or some such.

And yet here you are claiming that the pathologists say she didn’t cause his death; because it was his own fault for not going to hospital? Any evidence to base this ridiculous assertion on? I mean seriously! If true her actions most definitely contributed to his death.

[–]Lumpy_Constellation 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm not saying it. A pathologist and a neuropathologist said it. I'd imagine you can get a copy of their individual reports and find out what evidence they based their "ridiculous assertions" on, I'm just telling you exactly what the article posted here says. I'd imagine that since she was arrested one day after punching him and charged with that crime, no one is claiming her actions didn't injure him or contribute. The assertion made by the two pathologists were that her punch did not ultimately cause his death because his refusal to get care after the injury was a larger contribution.

[–]Angryasfk 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Got a link to an article saying they said it, because the linked one only says that they say her actions played no part in his death. This would be a false statement if what you claim is true.

The article is linked above. So you’re not fooling anyone making stuff up. If you have another source that actually says this, then show us the link.

[+]velvetalocasia -19 points-18 points-17 points 4 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

So you completely ignore that a pathologist and a neurological pathologist determined that the punch did not contribute to the death? According to them, some other cause lead to his death and the punch did not kick off this chain of events.

[–]Many-Lingonberry-517 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

still 60 days is quite low for fatally injuring someone for no reason

[+]velvetalocasia -14 points-13 points-12 points 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, you didn’t understand what I said.

It was determined by experts that the injury she caused was NOT fatal.

[–]Many-Lingonberry-517 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

5 to 7 inch cut to head not fatal? He was bleeding from head too

[+]velvetalocasia -13 points-12 points-11 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Head wounds are famous for bleeding, that doesn’t make them fatal.

It doesn’t seem as if it was a deep wound, otherwise he surely would have gone to the hospital with the paramedics and would not have declined treatment.

But whatever, not one but two specialized physicians determined it was not fatal.

[–]Bosilaify 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

even if it's "not fatal" 6 months (suspended sentence, so pretty much just probation) for causing a 5inch gash on someone's head unprovoked is pretty wild.

[–]velvetalocasia -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago* (11 children) | Copy Link

Firstly of all…..we don’t get a good picture of the situation from this article. So who did or did not provoke anybody is just not clear to us.

Secondly, she gave him one punch……so you really want to tell me, that one punch with no previous conviction would lead to anything else? For anyone?

[–]TextDependent6779 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

one punch that led to a severe cut. its more than battery, even if you argue it isn't manslaughter. ABH/GBH.

6 months is too lenient

[–]Alarming_Draw 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There is no universe in which a man charged of doing this to a woman doesnt get a long jail sentence, AND public outrage.

[–]RayDho88 -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

People crying double standard at everything nowadays. Hilarious.

[+]youngmoneee -11 points-10 points-9 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Women didn't set up the courts, I wonder who did lol.

[–]Zephyr9865 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

1.Irrelevant 2.Feminists have made significant changes to the justice system, especially with the duluth model.

[–]TextDependent6779 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

why does it matter?

[–]Angryasfk 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The Judge was a woman. Are you sure you want to go there?

[–]paliostheos 227 points228 points229 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

"She has expressed heartfelt and genuine remorse for what she did that night and what happened to the victim,"

Oooookay.

[–][deleted] 87 points88 points89 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh wow, do all the other criminals know they just have to feel genuine remorse?

[–]OlivineTanuki 36 points37 points38 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes Judge, I did brutally run over that family of 5 while street racing in a peaceful neighbourhood, however I feel truly sorry for my actions and I sold my car off.

Sentence should be revoked according to her logic

[–]Mother-Key582 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

At least she said sorry. /s

May as well put her in time out and make her think about what she did.

[–]Book_it_again 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good that'll bring him back

[–]contraterrene 136 points137 points138 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Judges in the UK have been issued directives to sentence women mercifully and not jail them for anything short of a felony.

And behold....

[–]vegeta8300 74 points75 points76 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Isn't assault and killing someone a felony?

[–]contraterrene 50 points51 points52 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But she's a baby faced girl

[–]Angryasfk 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They had two “expert witnesses” say that the injuries she caused didn’t contribute to his death.

That’s why she ultimately wasn’t tried for murder or manslaughter. Was their judgement correct? I’ve no idea. We don’t even know what caused his death much less have the knowledge to form a judgement.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

'felony' isn't a thing in the UK like it is in america. we have civil offences, and criminal offences.

[–]rainbow_bro_bot 54 points55 points56 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Yes

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/7995844/Judges-told-be-more-lenient-to-women-criminals.html

[–]jostler57 44 points45 points46 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Holy fuck, I thought they were joking!

This is blatant bullshittery. Misandry is in the law books!

[–]fiercealmond 23 points24 points25 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Always has been...

[–]TextDependent6779 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

this isn't even the only thing like that fucked with our country.

adding on stuff like our gender exclusive rape laws, and you start to see why people referred to the uk as the misandrist capital.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Australia is pretty bad too

[+]missingpupper -7 points-6 points-5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If it makes you feel better, Men in Russia often get no punishment for injuring or killing their wife.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic\_violence\_in\_Russia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeXBVJetUSw

[–]contraterrene 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's disgusting.

Less disgusting but still disgusting is you implying that I am ok with male > female DV.

[–]Gingerchaun 200 points201 points202 points 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

Meanwhile my buddy did 4 years for punching a guy in the face once while being held at knifepoint.

[–]JayMeadows 101 points102 points103 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

BUt ThAt's a MaN aGainST anOThEr MAn! It'S nOt ThE SaME!

/s

[–]SnooApples3402 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What country?

[–]Gingerchaun 36 points37 points38 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Canada

[–]brandon24745 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, our Country can be pretty shitty.

[–]Aeruthael 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds about right for them.

[–]Pakushy 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

i called the police multiple times for domestic assault. they threatened me, because i apparently was just as violent while defending myself.

[–]Skydiver860 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

how? he punched a guy one time in the face while at knife point and was given 4 years? I agree the system isn't fair toward men but i'm not buying this story. Either your friend has a long ass criminal history or there's a fuck ton of stuff you're leaving out.

[–]WhiskeyWarmachine 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. You're allowed to use as much force as required to no longer feel I danger. This strikes me as "buddy punched a guy, guy dropped the knife and fell to the ground. Buddy proceeds to lay boots to the guys ribs and fucks him up." Kinda story. That becomes assault and is no longer self defense.

[–]AkatsukiGaara -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I still view that as self defense XD

[–]WhiskeyWarmachine 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're allowed to maintain whatever emotional views you hold, but this stops people from being like "well he bumped into me agressively so i broke his leg and then curb stomped him. It was self defense! he hit me first!"

[–]Gingerchaun -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean. He could have left that out of the story he told me, not sure why he would though he already did the time.

[–]Gingerchaun 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Guy pulled a knife on my buddy. My buddy punched him knocked him out and ran away. The guy he punched fell over split his skull open and died. No attempt to render aid or call emergency services.

[–]Skydiver860 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

yeah the fact that the dude died is a pretty fucking important fact you conveniently left out. Not gonna argue whether the sentence was fair or not because i don't know the exact laws where your buddy lives but next time try not to present the story like your buddy gave a dude a black eye and got 4 years for it.

[–]Gingerchaun -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I assumed everyone understood based on the original post.

[–]DallasTruther 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You didn't draw any similarities to the OP, except for the fact that someone got punched.

Maybe "my buddy did about the same thing, and he had a knife pulled on him, but got sentenced blah blah"

[–]SpiritusExAaron 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That seems pretty sad. I hope Canada reforms its laws around that 🙁

[–]Angryasfk 41 points42 points43 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Well supposedly two experts testified that the attack didn’t contribute to his death. A man would have gotten a heavier punishment though.

This comes back to that Welsh charity bemoaning women sentenced to “short terms” in prison. As I tried to point out, women are not sent to prison for first offences for comparatively minor crimes. They are almost always given some sort of “community based order” first. It’s only if they violate this, or are repeat offenders that they’d go to jail. It’s not the 19th century.

[–]SomeLo5er 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So she punched a guy that was debilitated by a disease or something?

[–]1800deadnow 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The patriarcal concept of gravity killed him.

[–]Angryasfk 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We don’t know. The article didn’t go that far. But you could arguably say this applied to Chauvin too!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't want misinformation being spread so i wanna say this, for alot of offences, a custodial sentence isn't the first option, usually community based orders are. but what she did? should be custodial immediately. it's ridiculous.

[–]Angryasfk 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Given she knocked him unconscious, perhaps. Although she didn’t keep hitting and kicking when he was on the ground.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

either way, what she did she should've got a custodial sentence, gbh at the very least

[–]SpideySurreal 104 points105 points106 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is f*cking revolting, and reeks of absolute malevolence and apathy.

If you good Men would have told me exactly two years ago that simply having a vagina gives you so much privilege and leeway, as a brainwashed feminist idiot I would have gone on to have lengthy arguments with you all.

By God's grace and my own persistence, I see the truth now. And it's ugly, very ugly.

[–]rainbow_bro_bot 54 points55 points56 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

This is why we need a men's rights movement.

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[–]Razorbladekandyfan 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Its shameful people are defending what she did.

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[–]SpookeyClown 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

well ackshually

Hahahhaa, that's how I read it in my head too!!

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agree, genders reversed, if a 19 year old man knocked out an elderly woman that later died the following week, it would be a very different public outcry...

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[–]TitanicPat 49 points50 points51 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

On stories like this, I like to post a meme I made.

image in 3 panes, 1st pane is the feminist meme of "Boys will be Boys" but the 2nd "boys" is crossed out and replaced with the phrase "Held accountable for their actions, just like girls are"

2nd pane is zoomed in and now only shows "Held accountable for their actions, just like girls are"

3rd pane is zoomed in even further and shows in sarcastic pixelated words "Just like girls are"

I'll see if I can find it when I get home and share a link to it.

[–]Theresneverenoughpud 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah thatd be great. I have no idea what you are trying to get across by explaining a comic panel.

[–]big_guy_siens 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

i get the meme but "boys will be boys" is not feminist lmfao

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

feminists love to say “boys will be boys held accountable for their actions”, they literally put it on a t-shirt. if you get caught by one of these people saying “boys will be boys” prepare for shrieking and turn your ears off immediately.

[–]GltyUntlPrvnInncnt 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Pussy pass in action.

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points34 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's ok, she's "baby faced."

[–]OverSavior 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Disgusting

[–]anoncitizen4 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Now find a story where the sex's are reversed and tell me the outcome.

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[–]Royal_IDunno 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Just imagine what would happen too a guy if he did that to an old lady.

[–]ChaosOpen 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Even if it was a single punch and she turned out just fine he'd still get far longer than 6 months suspended sentence.

[–]mcavvacm 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So the UK isn't safe anymore to visit for a holiday either, got it.

Guess I'll go to North Korea, I'll be safer there.

[–]TextDependent6779 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

just stay out of Europe. we're all screwed.

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[+]pack_of_macs -14 points-13 points-12 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

If you read the fucking article you’d see the experts specifically say she did not cause an injury leading to his death.

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[–]Angryasfk 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Supposedly the injuries he got in her attack weren’t what killed him.

We don’t know what he died of. So even if we had expert pathologists or ME’s here, they couldn’t determine if the “experts’ judgement” was correct.

[–]Zephyr9865 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Experts in gender studies?

[+]pack_of_macs -8 points-7 points-6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

/r/onejoke

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[–]pack_of_macs -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

yay armchair experts

[–]Starmind0 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Waiting for the female curfew.

[–]Fean2616 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Disgracful, a man lost his life due to her assault.

[–]Optimal_Wendigo_4333 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The UK is so cucked, it's revolting. Men there better wake up soon, or they'll soon be serfs.

[–]Dukunt2 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Omg curfew!.... I thought they did away with cruel and unusual punishments!

[–]pacsatonifil 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That is fucking disgusting! Yet people will claim we live in a “patriarchy” and no one cares about men

[–]Holy_Salsa 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

God i hope she accidentally jumps into a molten geyser

[–]ManofGod1000 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

r/PussyPass

Edit: Oh, and 58 is NOT an elderly man so...........

[–]rtechie1 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

6 months of curfew for a murder?

The UK is just ridiculously soft on violent crimes. But God forbid you send a mean tweet!

[–]Angryasfk -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Supposedly her attack didn’t contribute to his death. We don’t know what he died from. It could have been cirrhosis of the liver for all we know. So that’s why she wasn’t tried for murder, or manslaughter as she apparently didn’t cause his death. It’s still a slap on the wrist though.

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[–]Angryasfk -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Huh?

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[–]Angryasfk -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Have you bothered reading anything?

She assaulted him. Knocked him to the ground, and he hit his head and was knocked unconscious. They arrested her for the assault, before he died. The reason why her charges weren’t upgraded to murder or manslaughter was because the “expert opinion” was that she had “nothing to do with his death”. I only commented that they didn’t release the cause of death, and there was no information on the pathologists report other than to say she had no part in it. If he had died of something like cirrhosis of the liver, then clearly it wouldn’t have been related to the assault. The “coincidence” of him being dead 6 days after being knocked unconscious certainly looks suspicious. But we actually don’t know anything to dismiss the “expert opinion”.

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[–]Angryasfk 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It isn’t a real question. Cirrhosis of the liver is caused by prolonged alcohol abuse. Unless it’s a wife slowly poisoning her husband over a decade or more by adding pure alcohol to his drink, it won’t be seen as murder. And certainly not for some 19 year old head case he’s only met that night.

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[–]Angryasfk 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Did they launch a murder investigation?

She was already arrested due to the assault. He then dies, and there’s an investigation into the cause of death (and they consider upgrading the charges). What happened was that the pathologists declared that the injuries she inflicted were unrelated to his death.

The cause of death wasn’t released. We can suspect that it was brain related, but there’s no information.

[–]Angryasfk -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Any reason for asking a stupid question?

[–]Ok_Designer_Things 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My friend is doing 35 years in prison because he was ATTACKED by two people and he laid out out on concrete DEFENDING himself and the dude hit his head and died ATTACKING him... and he got 35 years.

Fuck THIS. I am beginning to not support feminism as this point.. how are they still trying to advocate for "equal rights" but they get away with MURDER

[–]JimmyTheIntern 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

In spite of whatever expert testimony they might be privilege to, I have a very hard time believing that suffering violent head trauma has no impact on a man's death days later. I'm very interested in a record of that testimony and any related evidence, as this could easily be sensationalist clickbait and not a miscarriage of justice no matter how things appear outside the courtroom.

All that said, gender and age swap this story and have yourself a good chuckle at the tragedy.

[–]Angryasfk 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It doesn’t seem to pass the “smell test” does it. But we’ve no information on what caused his death. It could have been a stroke, a heart attack, or an embolism. Just have to go with the best info available.

As it happens, I hope she didn’t contribute to his death.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wonder why the feminists are dead quiet all of sudden when this gets brought up...

[–]Revorob 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This aughta be cross-posted to r/pussypass.

[–]Puzzleheaded-Heat174 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

To words: double standards!

[–]NoBrick444 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The face of privilege.

[–]FrightInvestigate 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Uhhh wtf??

[–]Kharvel72 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So, I have a bit of experience in the field. Current law student, ex security officer for a hospital in Australia which has a legal system essentially identical to UK law. When the ambulance arrives, they assess the patient on the Glasgow Coma Scale which will give you a 1-15 score. 1 is pretty bad, unconscious, unresponsive to stimuli, low or no respiration; 15 is can hold a cogent conversation, normal pupil dilation, good respiration. Each of the 3 has a 1-5 score. If you are conscious and have reasonable scores in the other 2, you are mentally competent to make your own decisions regarding your medical care. a 58 year old man needing some help getting off the ground is not so unusual it would warrant a diagnosis of mentally incompetent. If the medics thought he was incompetent, they could schedule him under the Mental Health Act and remove his right to refuse medical treatment. From the sounds of things, and yes I am aware the media sometimes misreports the truth, it would seem that at the scene he was assessed by the ambulance crew and deemed competent, and thus had the right to refuse further treatment. Here in Australia, they would likely spend a fair bit of time trying to convince him to go to hospital even if he felt fine, because it is a head wound, but they can't force you to. His refusal of medical treatment would be a big factor in the sentencing of this case. That he was able to get home and go about his normal life for a few days is even bigger in showing a lack of direct cause. Yes - it's crap, I personally think she should have been charged with manslaughter, but this is one of the many areas where the legal system is well removed from justice.

[–]Aimless-Nomad 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If the genders were reversed no one would give a damn about this detail.

[–]xbef 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I read many articles trying to figure out how she wasn’t responsible.

The court did not mention his cause of death.

I am guessing he died of cancer.

From a daily mail article. “Since his death, Mr Turner's family have raised more than £300 in his memory for Macmillan Cancer Support.

His niece thanked those that came to her uncle's 'send off' and described the occasion as lovely.

She said in a Facebook post: 'Cheers to you uncle Andy, you'll be sadly missed but never forgotten.' “

[–]spacepanthermilk 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hope the family sues her

[–]vhisic 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

there were 6 days between his death and her punch, there is no mention of the cause of the death that i saw. so the guy could have had a heart attack or something.

not defending what shes done but there are details missing.

[–]Imperium_Britannia 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A woman can get away with murder.

[–]Mother-Key582 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I’d love to hear what the people who say “b-b-but eVeRY dAY iS mEnS daY” have to say about this. They’ll probably still try and defend this cunt. Which makes my stomach absolutely turn.

[–]AgentSears 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

So what you are saying is she actually got away with murder.....

[–]Mous3_ 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What. The. FUCK!?

I'm not advocating for anything but I think karma would be well served if this stupid cunt got herself ran the fuck over next time she's out drinking.

[–]InformalCriticism 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The western jurisprudence of benevolent sexism is alive and well.

[–]8nt2L8 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course the light sentence had nothing to do with her being

pretty,

white,

female,

and nineteen years old.

[–]SomeLo5er 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If that was my grandpa. Needless to go any further but she would wish she never did that

[–]SomeLo5er 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That’s why the outdated concept that you shouldn’t fight back against a girl is bs. She put hands on you , you have all the right to lay a brick on her chin.

[–]Angryasfk 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You’ve a good point there.

[–]Druue 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hope karma comes around and punches her in the head.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What?! How is that possible? She clearly caused his death

[–]Angryasfk 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Supposedly she didn’t.

[–]Clone_Meat 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This babyface won't be pretty for long. I expect she'll be one of those repeat offender slide shows that show the decent into crippling drug abuse. Either that or someone will give her a smiley in a back alley while she's taking a piss after a night out drinking. She'll look like a dogs breakfast in no time.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There was no evidence that the death of Mr Turner had "anything to do with" O'Hara and this had been confirmed after investigations by a pathologist and a neuro-pathologist.

[–]Oneofmanyadahn321 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What. The. Fuck.

[–]hawksdiesel 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

double standards.....

[–]nooneinteresting-1 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She was direct cause of death, wtf?

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[–][deleted] 25 points26 points27 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

but it is important to acknowledge that it wasn't her intention to cause his death.

I'm sure his family really appreciates that.

[+][deleted] -18 points-17 points-16 points 4 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

How his family feel in regard to this is irrelevant to the case. Punching someone once absolutely does not equal intent to kill regardless of the outcome, if she proceded to beat him while he was unconsious then that would be a different story entirely. Thankfully how the family feel about it isn't and never should be taken into consideration when it comes to the charges.

Edit: I can't believe people think feelings should override the facts of the case and effect the charges. It's not what I expected at all of this place and I'm stunned by it. Absolutely disgraceful, it's the entire reason we have a judge and jury instead of those effected by the case to decide someone's fate.

Edit: I'll just wait here until someone shows me evidence it was murder.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Wow, what an asshole.

[+][deleted] -12 points-11 points-10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Let's just charge every single person in the world who punched someone with attempted murder. Will Smith? An obvious case of attempted murder if I ever saw one.

[–]Angryasfk 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

In my state there is a one punch rule, introduced precisely because of a number of deaths due to “one punch”. Some sources claim the maximum penalty is 20 years, others 10 (I’d have to look at the legislation itself to see which is true). So you can get manslaughter for one punch in some jurisdictions.

That said, you’re right. Intent is the difference between murder and manslaughter. In her case she didn’t get manslaughter because “expert opinion” apparently said she didn’t cause or contribute to his death. Not sure why the Judge had to go out of her way to “comfort” the little thug that she didn’t kill the guy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That sounds like a good rule to have. I suspect though that it wasn't the punch that knocked him out, it's stated in this article and others that they were both drunk and she threw herself at him. I think what likely happened is that her punch and body weight caused him to fall, hit his head and that's what knocked him unconscious. Still no less responsible though and should be hit with a manslaughter charge. I'm curious if the states with "one punch" rules would consider that -if my guess is accurate.

Thank you, I believe the diffrences are important and not something to ignore due to the understandable outrage of her essentially getting away with it, those "experts" need a looking into. I suspect the judge did it due to the "baby-face", probably still seeing her as a child, the gap in empathy between men and women, I believe she felt more empathy for her than the victim and his family.

[–]Angryasfk 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If it was his head hitting the pavement that caused his death, she is definitely responsible, and frankly it’s the judge, prosecutor and police rather than the pathologist and neurologist that’s at fault, as she is responsible for the injury under the law and they’re well aware of it. But we don’t know. That’s just speculation unless someone can access the actual report or testimony.

[–]TextDependent6779 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

For this to qualify as murder intent needs to be proven.

can still qualify as manslaughter, regardless of mens rea (intent)

[–]Angryasfk 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It can. And that’s what she should have been charged with. However the “expert opinion” is that the injuries she inflicted did not contribute to his death. For example, if I hit a man with terminal lung cancer and he died of it a couple of weeks later, I would not have caused his death. So that would be assault (perhaps aggravated assault given his condition) but not murder or manslaughter.

So given the “expert opinion” she can’t be charged with manslaughter since she didn’t cause or contribute to his death. Now the opinion may be wrong. But I’m not qualified to judge that, especially since they gave zero information on what he died of. It may merit further investigation.

One thing that certainly bugs me is how the Judge had to go in great detail to “reassure” this piece of “sugar and spice and all things nice” that she didn’t “in anyway” cause the death. She should have said that although the expert opinion was that she didn’t contribute to this death, she could easily have killed someone with that reckless act, and she needs to be fully aware of this and never do it again! Pathetic.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

can still qualify as manslaughter, regardless of mens rea (intent)

You need to prove that he died due to her actions to which there is none presented in the article and the experts consulted who dealt with him on the day of his passing said they could't find any evidence that it was due to his head injury that day. It doesn't at all help that he refused to be taken to the hospital for his injuries so we have no idea in the slightest of the extent of them.

It cannot qualify as manslaughter.

[–]rtechie1 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I agree that she should be held responsible for the man's death if there is evidence that the trauma she caused to his brain resulted in or quickened his death, but it is important to acknowledge that it wasn't her intention to cause his death.

Who the fuck cares?

This would get her 10 years in State prison minimum in the USA for manslaughter. The fact that she was piss drunk makes it even worse.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Who the fuck cares?

What a dumb and ingorant comment, if you give a damn about justice in the slightest you should care otherwise by your reasoning we should be charging everyone that punches/knocks someone out with attempted murder.

In order to charge her with manslaughter you need to prove that he died as a result of the injuries he sustained when she hit him and he fell. Stupidly he refused to be taken to the hospital when it happened so we have zero idea of the extent of his injuries or if they had any long lasting effects. According to the experts who dealt with him when he died they found no evidence that her attack was the cause.

[–]Angryasfk 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Quite right. But it’s manslaughter rather than murder. There’s a reason why they have different names.

She got away with it because “expert testimony” said the injuries she inflicted (which would have to include him smashing his head on the ground) didn’t contribute to the guys death. We don’t know enough about the case (perhaps deliberately so) to test this judgement. So we have to go along with it I’m afraid.

[–]techminded 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

6 months is an insanely low sentence for accidentally killing someone.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

6 months is an insanely low sentence for accidentally killing someone.

I agree with that statement. But we don't know if she did accidently kill him. Unfortunatly the guy made the stupid mistake of refusing to go to the hospital after the attack so the extent of his injuries aren't known beyond the superficial and loss of consiousness. When he died a week later the medical professionals that examined him stated they found no evidence that it was due to any injury he sustained as a result of the attack. I personally would like more info on his cause of death, but with all we have to go on it seems pretty clear she wasn't the cause. For all we know he could have underlying medical condition or passed away due to a heart attack or something.

She's a piece of shit, sure but it's not fair or right to say she killed him when it really does look to be a coincidence.

[–]Angryasfk 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

There is another link embedded to that story to an earlier report, where the police released as statement saying that he was taken to hospital with what was thought to not be life threatening injuries and he subsequently died there.

So it’s a bit “contradictory” don’t you think!

It’s all very vague. No mention of the cause of death.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So it’s a bit “contradictory” don’t you think!

Most definitely! Sadly, I got fooled by it.

It’s all very vague. No mention of the cause of death.

Exactly, if it had nothing at all to do with the head injury you'd think what killed him would be vital to mention. I can't tell if it's incompetence or a cover up. If our medical professionals are this stupid it's worrying.

[–]Angryasfk 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe it was an unrelated aneurism. It’s a bad look though.

[–]techminded 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Fair point.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Hey, I made a correction in my OP. I was fooled by the writer about the events. You're right, she should have been charged with manslaughter and gotten far more than just a 6 month curfew.

[–]techminded 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I would think at minimum 2 years for assault which contributed to the fellas death. But it's all good, the justice system is kind of messed up at every level.

[–]Angryasfk 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think you’ve got a point there. The lack of detail over the cause of death certainly does look suspicious.

She clearly took off after knocking him to the ground. I don’t trust that “she’s filled with remorse” either. However we don’t have anything to refute the “expert testimony”. It is possible to knock someone unconscious and for them to later die from an unrelated cause. The story does have a bad smell to it though.

[–]Sensitive-Ad6609 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sometimes I believe justice, depending on what situation and who is involved is false.

[–]lliH-knaH -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

End this world already

[–]erilaz123 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Was any autopsy performed?

[–]Sehr_Gros_Baum -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Her pic is out there.

Hard to say whether she'll be alive at the end of the week, if the family members gave a damn.

[+]McFeely_Smackup -11 points-10 points-9 points 4 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link

This would seem to be fairly relevant:

His cause of death was not revealed, however during a trial at Hull Crown Court a neuropathologist confirmed that O'Hara's punch did not have 'anything to do' with his demise.

Unless someone has info as to his actual cause of death, there's not a lot of outrage to be found here. He might have died in a car accident.

[–]rtechie1 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And George Floyd's death had nothing to do with him overdosing on a fuckton of meth and heroin.

[–]Angryasfk 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s the point though. It could be argued (and many do) that it was this abuse, not Chauvin holding him down with his foot on his neck, that caused his death.

And let’s say it was the drug abuse that killed Floyd, and he would have died then whatever the cops did. Would that mean that Chauvin is a victim of a miscarriage of justice (caused by trial by video and intimidation)? Yes it would, if true!

[–]Zephyr9865 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

No, but the fall did, which was caused by the punch, idiot.

The only point of this is to excuse her shitty actions.

[–]Angryasfk 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Possibly. But that begs the question as to why those two “experts” would make this s#it up.

[–]throwaway202108214 points 4 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

Feminists have a history (specifically in the UK it seems) of advocating for more lenient sentences for women and making excuses for crimes women commit under the excuse of insanity, abuse or trauma, or right away forgiving them and voiding their sentence as long as they apologize in a "heartfelt and sincere" way something they'd never do for men, since men have collective guilt in their view while women are individuals that are misunderstood.

The two "experts" here are probably not all ideologically neutral and have a feminist or traditionalist bias.

[–]Angryasfk -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Possibly. But that’s just speculation.

[–]throwaway202108214 points 4 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

It's a possible motivation for why they would make it up in order to absolve this woman. This is something ideologically motivated people do. And ideologies that would lead them to doing this are in line with what feminism and traditionalism encourage (leniency and benefit of the doubt for women, no mercy or understanding for men).

[–]Angryasfk -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminists certainly do this all the time. But again, this is just speculation. Trying to look at other articles seems to indicate that the court did not reveal the cause of death. Merely an assurance that she “wasn’t to blame”. This does look suspicious. But we don’t have any evidence to disregard what the pathologist said. Not at present anyway.

[–]McFeely_Smackup -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

what makes you think the fall was the cause of death?

the article literally says the cause of death was not revealed, and an actual doctor said the fall was not related. I'm not going to just assume a doctor is lying.

[–]ImAlwaysRightHanded -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So this was not the black lady who punched the old man on a public bus?

[–]Angryasfk 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No.

[–]SpiritusExAaron -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It is a shame that this woman did what she did and got a lesser sentence but I would caution using this story as a reason to go off on how women have more privilege then men or are ungrateful brats.

[–]HalalReiz -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Go gurl smash the patriarchy💅💅💅

[+]PolarTheBear -16 points-15 points-14 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Did y’all read the article? The guy refused to go to the hospital, died after the fact, and several medical experts concluded that the woman had no part in the man’s death. What is the evidence that supports the fact that the woman is a ‘murderer’? Can anyone here properly cite a cause of death, or are we just yelling into an echo chamber?

There are plenty of issues in the world. Let’s make sure that this is actually one of them.

[–]Angryasfk 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

If the injuries she inflicted caused his death, she’s responsible regardless of whether he wanted to go to hospital or not! And there is a link to an earlier story on the case where they quote the police as saying he was taken to hospital. Contradictory statements!

The real issue is the “expert opinions” which say her actions didn’t contribute to his death. That’s why she wasn’t charged with murder or manslaughter. Not because he didn’t want to go to hospital, but because medical opinion was that her violence was not what killed him. It’s still a light sentence given the injuries she inflicted (he was knocked unconscious and couldn’t get up - I take it you read that part).

[–]PolarTheBear -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I agree that even if he declined the hospital, the woman would be at fault if her actions caused that man’s death. The problem here is exactly what you’ve stated: the experts who actually looked into the evidence and details of this case say that she didn’t cause his death. Does someone on Reddit have information that these people don’t? Labeling her a murderer might be presumptuous, but yeah the sentence for the attack itself is pretty damn light.

There is a world where an extremely old person coincidentally dies for a completely different reason after something like this, and someone who did a bad act is punished far more than is necessary. What if he had organs on the brink of failing, and would have died that day either way? We can’t know. We don’t have access to their medical records, which is okay, because we can get experts to look at those.

[–]Angryasfk 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

He was 58. I’d hardly say that’s “extremely old”. It would certainly sound too coincidental that he died so soon after the attack, and that’s why I suspect so many call her a murderer. Also plenty haven’t read the article: such as the feminist moaning about it’s not “women’s fault” saying that the blame should go, amongst other places, the “male judge”, apparently unaware that the judge was a woman. There’s a lot of this around unfortunately.

[–]PolarTheBear -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I mixed this up with another story - not extremely old! But still, jumping to conclusions is dangerous and how we get witch hunts. I personally avoid discussions that are based in identity politics because I feel that is not very productive, but I’m sure there are tons of bad takes out there.

[+][deleted] -20 points-19 points-18 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Why is mens rights just a bunch of people trashing women? This sub is so stupid.

[–]Angryasfk 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s the perceived double standard they’re trashing.

[–]Mother-Key582 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Umm, she deliberately pushed an elderly man to his death. And basically got a slap on the wrist because she’s a woman. Don’t … even. If a man did it to a woman, don’t even try to tell me you would say the same thing. Because you wouldn’t.

[–]Frosty-Gate-8094 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

We are trashing a murderer and the simp judicial system which allows criminals to go scot-free.

If you think its an attack on women, then may you should teach girls not to kill men.
(Oh! That's exactly the opposite of what feminism teaches girls)

[+][deleted] -14 points-13 points-12 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Nah I’m not talking about the post I’m talking about the sub. Thanks for proving my point though!

[–]Angryasfk 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

So you’re taking out of your @rse then.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Suck a fart out of my arse

[–]Angryasfk 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Nothing to say on the topic. No real point to make just smears. Yep, that’s about all you have to offer.

Come back when you have a bit more.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Why would I reply seriously to someone who gets off on arguing with strangers on the internet. I’d rather just watch you say random nonsense that doesn’t relate to my comment.

[–]Angryasfk 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Projection projection.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree, you do have that.

[–]redramsfan123 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The post didn't blame women in general it blamed one singular woman and the justice system that allowed her to do what she did.

[–]Frosty-Gate-8094 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The post blamed a murderer..

So, what if happens to be a woman?

Feminism talks about killing and castrating rapists all the time..
Does that prove that they hate all men?

No, they hate rapists (a huge percentage of whom are women).
What makes feminist misandrist is that it tries to protect and defend female rapists.

Not that it trashes rapists. Its that, it condones rape when done by a woman against a man.

[–]smart_storm26 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Criticism where it's due should be given and isn't the same as trashing women. Why do trolls like you waste your time on this sub when you have such a poor opinion of this sub?

[+]SnooApples3402 -52 points-51 points-50 points 4 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link

I think your over emphasising the fact she was a women.

Its more about the legal process and the specifics of the case:

  1. The victim didn't dies straight away.
  2. Charges weren't for manslaughter at the time of the offense
  3. She expressed remorse
  4. The offenders age is taken into account at sentencing.

If it had been a young male and the circumstances were the same. The outcome would likely be the same.

Remember this is also an article from the Daily Mail..it's clickbait and light on detail and facts of the case.

There's a lot you don't know from reading one silly article.

[–]NiceNob 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

There's a lot you don't know from reading one silly article.

feminists have passed misandrist laws based on silly article titles.

If it had been a young male and the circumstances were the same. The outcome would likely be the same.

No. Not likely to be the same in the UK.

[–]Angryasfk 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He would most likely have been given a harsher sentence. But if the evidence (and expert opinion is considered evidence) says he didn’t cause the death, he can’t be charged with it.

Of course if it was an accusation of rape under the former DPP…

[+]SnooApples3402 -32 points-31 points-30 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

it's not a global conspiracy.....look you may not agree with the sentence.

However

The laws are set by the British parliament which is you have a look is mostly male.

The laws are interpreted by the judiciary..... In this case a male judge reviewed the case, the jury passed judgement and the judge passed what was considered an appropriate sentence.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

it's not a global conspiracy.....look you may not agree with the sentence.

When even the UN lobbies for countries to change their laws to not incarcerate women, and women only, for almost anything, it's not a theory anymore.

[–]NiceNob 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

it's not a global conspiracy.....

What are you trying to do here?

mostly male.

male judge

Doesn't make it less absurd. Or are you implying that men can't be wrong.

what was considered an appropriate sentence.

By a clown like him.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They're implying that since there's allegedly a patriarchy (the actual conspiracy theory in this case), men judges not punishing women for their crimes is progress since they wouldn't punish men, either.

[–]Angryasfk 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The Judge was a woman. Shows how much that “analysis” is worth.

[–]Angryasfk 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The judge was a woman: Sophie McKone.

[+]SnooApples3402 -11 points-10 points-9 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You may not like the outcome.

But im trying to apply logic and reason. It's really got very little to do with her being a woman.

[–]Fearless-File-3625 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Courts are more lenient on women in UK https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/7995844/Judges-told-be-more-lenient-to-women-criminals.html

I don't see what logic you are applying.

[–]40moreyears 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Be awesome if you could explain why you think it had little to do with her being a woman, especially in light of u/Fearless-File-3625 ‘s article link below your comment. Thanks.

[–]Many-Lingonberry-517 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

a male judge with the name sophie?

[–]Angryasfk 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We have someone here who “just knows” stuff. Doesn’t need evidence, or to check the story. That’s why you must believe all women, and know that “patriarchy” and “male privilege” and all that rot is true, just Because…

[–]ScarAdvanced9562 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Males can pass misandrist laws…

[–]Angryasfk 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Male Judge????

The Judge is Sophie McKone! A WOMAN! Shows how good your info is! And the penalty this “mostly male Parliament” lays down is much MUCH higher than staying in at night for a while and a short good behaviour bond. It’s the FEMALE Judge that chose that. If you have to make it all about the sex of the authority figure.

That you thought the Judge was a man shows how much bothered to look into the case, and frankly what this passage you wrote is worth.

[–][deleted] 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]SnooApples3402 -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What is?

[–]rtechie1 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

A 19 year old man would have gotten years in prison for this.

[–]Angryasfk -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

First offence, maybe not. Given the injuries supposedly didn’t contribute to the man’s death.

But he was so badly injured he apparently couldn’t get up when he tried. So the penalty would have been a lot stiffer, and I don’t think the female judge would have been going to such efforts to “console” the defendant that they didn’t cause the death.

[–]Angryasfk 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s garbage. If the victim is still alive, the perpetrator is initially charged with grievous bodily harm (GBH). If the victim subsequently dies, the chargers are then upgraded to murder or manslaughter. Just because he was still alive when they arrested her is not why she wasn’t charged with manslaughter FFS. Matthew Shepard was still alive when his assailants were arrested. They were still tried and convicted for his murder.

[–]Angryasfk 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As for the rest. I’d take her “remorse” with a pinch of salt. Maybe she is. But she’d be told to say she is.

And what does her age have to do with it? She was 19, and about to turn 20! She’s not a minor. It’s not statutory rape if you have sex with her (with her as a willing participant), and she can vote and is otherwise an adult. If sent to prison she’d go to an adult one. She’s also free to drink (18 is the drinking age in the UK). She can also vote in elections.

She’s not a minor.

[–]NiceNob 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I just saw this now. A black man slammed a woman and got a 4 year sentence for it. The woman was openly racist and was well compensated for her trouble.

[–]Busy-Argument3680 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Everyone here seems to have a case of having no bitches

-UK Probably

[–]Explorer_Of_Infinity 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Daily dose of man hating.

[–]NeoNotNeo 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why do we need to know she is baby faced?

Imagine writing Handsome Ted Bundy brutally…..

“baby-faced O'Hara attacked the man after he didn't apologise for bumping into her friend.” Well then. He deserved it.

This bias in the courts is destroying society. There will be a harsh blow back.

[–]ManinderThiara07 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wait. This is not the onion? This, real headline?

[–]Skarmex94 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ahh yes, there's that sweet tasting male privilege that I love so much.

[–]Broccoli_sauce24 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A terrible thing she did but what does this have to do with mens rights?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What a piece of shit

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds about white .

[–]fuckyouryootooz 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wtf.

[–]Leavemealone1625 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is where double standards is present. This girl should get a life time in prison. In my opinion.

[–]Honk_am_chonky_goose 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Da fuq

[–]ronintheadmin 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok this has gone too far! Why aren’t we protesting about mens rights!?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s what happens when the legal system is run by men 😂

[–]HeyItsMaddiee 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminists: "bUT… MaLE pRiVieLEgE!"

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