Rethinking the Incel Phenomenon

Zubecci · 2022-05-30T17:32:23+00:00

“For too long, the incel has been used as a punchline because we’ve no other method for dealing with them."

What do you mean? Just use the same method that you use to deal with women's problems. You know, the "empathy" method.

dw87190 · 2022-05-30T19:14:46+00:00

It's a feminist ego complex. Her ego demands that she label any man who's single and celibate, as being that way involuntarily because it would bruise said ego to admit/accept that a man doesn't want her

63daddy · 2022-05-30T17:59:09+00:00

Incel stands for involuntarily celibate, referring to men who can’t find a woman to have sex with. This is driven by the fact society is hypergamous. Hypergamy means there will have to be men “at the bottom” that women don’t feel have enough to offer.

Incels have been the butt of jokes and hatred. I find it ironic that those who are recipients of hatred are labeled a hate group. Of course Southern Poverty Law is an agenda driven woke organization that labels any non woke group including the MRM a hate group. It’s like the KKK calling BLM a hate group.

Whenever anyone uses southern poverty law as proof of anything, I know an incredibly biased, agenda driven point is being made.

Any talk of incels should include the bias of hypergamy that creates the issue.

OldEgalitarianMRA · 2022-05-30T18:36:29+00:00

I spent a few days investigating Incel web sites and totally agree with this author. The idea that Incels are upset because they can't get sex is incorrect. They acknowledge that sex is cheap. They want love.

Men though out history have lived fulfilling lives without women. It is a modern invention that romantic love is the most wonderful thing in the world and necessary, a right.

It's OK, but the love I have for my son is much more important to me.

Suicide infuses the Incel web sites leading me to believe many Incel killings have been murder suicides.

Suddenly_Sisyphus42 · 2022-05-30T21:10:17+00:00

Wasn't it a shock to find the incel was human too?

kaijyuu2016 · 2022-05-30T20:54:49+00:00

All I know is today you get called an incel for something as trivial as not having the same opinion/viewpoint of a woman.

I've also been called and incel for killing an enemy on a videogame.

So, basically everyone is an incel and if everyone is an incel, then nobody is.

offtable · 2022-05-30T20:01:03+00:00

Good read

MGTOW_and_Bitcoin · 2022-05-30T22:38:14+00:00

I haven't thought about this before and I was reading an article about how we have all of this active political discourse promoting the idea that whatever women look like it, should be appealing and we should be considered attractive and if you don't consider all women attractive, you are a sexist bigot and I guess whatever misogynistic term they want to use for the day.

But if you're a man you're simply coded as unlovable without any care or concern. you are an incel and will be shamed for that fact. Moreover, you are toxic if you try to claim otherwise!! If a man claims a right to be attractive he is in some way not deserving of being loved and desired.

I don't know why it has taken me this long to put these two things together, what hypocrisy what sexism!!!

Now to be clear I don't believe anybody has a right the claim that they are to be considered attractive by anyone but to cater two women in a way that we demonize men has to be called out not because it's unfair but because undesirable men do not need to be demonized especially by a group of hypocrites.

AndyBrown65 · 2022-05-30T23:19:06+00:00

"Incel" is just a bullying term.

There have been studies where men rate women's attractiveness and the results were that 50% of women were "attractive" and 50% "unattractive. When the women rated men's attractiveness, only 16% of men were "attractive"

PFfounder · 2022-05-30T18:15:54+00:00

This is so sad.... with body positive and everything we STILL HATE "UGLY" PEOPLE.
Wokeness managed to create more discrimination than there was after Marthin Luther King.
I feel sympathy for these poor men that get hated because they just can't live life like other just because of how they look like.
Fuck both slut shamers and incel shamers.

ThrowAway640KB · 2022-05-30T18:52:39+00:00

This is a great write up, but fails to address some of the other conditions that lead to inceldom: society’s Great Lie.

This is what has been taught to young boys for most of the last century by their mothers, aunts, older sisters and female authority figures.

It is also explicitly designed to make those men who internalize and conform to the Great Lie supremely unattractive to women. The entire point of the Great Lie is to make “inadequate” men intentionally self-select themselves out of the ranks of truly desirable men - the dark-triad sociopaths and assholes.

To have the chaff do all the hard work in separating itself from the wheat, to spindle a metaphor.

As such, !ncels have swallowed a poison pill, and have done so under the instructions of those they instinctually trusted when they were too young to know better.

TitanicPat · 2022-05-31T09:44:38+00:00

Its used to claim that the only value a person may hold, is the value bestowed upon them by women.

Men's gender role, as designed by feminism, is to seek the approval of women by constantly striving to make them happy and comfortable.

Any man who is not motivated by pleasing a woman is "Bad".

Feminists don't have to demand anybody Obey them, they merely manipulate and maneuver morality to benefit themselves and wait for men to be "Good"

tired_hillbilly · 2022-05-30T20:21:53+00:00

I love how most of the people who say "You aren't entitled to sex" go absolutely histrionic if you say abortion should be banned. Don't want a kid? Don't have sex. It's simple; you're not entitled to consequence-free sex

cistacea · 2022-05-31T05:45:50+00:00

I really like a lot about this article

Klutzy_Pride_5644 · 2022-05-31T10:56:21+00:00

The whole definition is actually an interesting insight into how we view the value of men in society. Are we to believe that any time a man does not have an intimate female partner he is "broken" and deviate in some way? How many days can you be single before you are an incel? And, as a related thought process, is a woman with no male partner broken?

TendieDinner777 · 2022-06-01T14:01:55+00:00

This is the most balanced article I’ve read about incels. It always struck me as unjust to denounce those who struggle with their mental health, regardless of their behavior. It’s like bullies…as soon as I learned that it likely stems from their own mental health issues, I stopped lusting for their demise and wanted to help them.

Platinum247365 · 2022-05-31T01:01:03+00:00

Why does LGBT get special victimhood recognition, but not incels? Why are people never concerned about, say, the incel suicide rate?

Typical-Mud8641 · 2022-05-31T00:43:24+00:00

This research is new and focused on Monkeys but Soy consumption (specifically soybean oil) makes monkeys aggressive loners. Society might actually be manufacturing Incels

faith_crusader · 2022-05-31T08:50:12+00:00

If you stop playing the game, you stop complaining about the game. MGTOW is the ultimate cure to inceldom.

throwawayincelacc · 2022-05-31T17:29:38+00:00

The prevailing conception of incels is that they simply believe that women owe them sex, and are enraged because no woman is willing to oblige.

I'm genuinely curious. For those that have maybe participated or visited incel forums and sites, is this accurate? I know the other doesn't assert this, but it's something I've seen asserted in other places. I don't believe this conception to be true but fill me in if you have info.

Anyway I read that whole thing and kudos to whoever wrote it, was a fantastic read. Lots of great points touched on such as media making jokes of men, trying to restructure views on fat/black/trans/disabled women, and the fact that many incels do attempt self-improvement but still continue to face the same barriers.

There's a lot to digest from all of that, I just hope that some people outside of the "manosphere" do take the time to read it.

danielm316 · 2022-05-31T03:49:58+00:00

I believe that Incels don't exist. Getting sex is easy (paying for it) so it is not involuntary.

Legatti · 2022-06-02T02:36:06+00:00

Incels believe they are entitled to sex.

Men feeling alone is worth pity and empathy.

Men commit domestic terrorism, espousing hatred or calls to violence doesn’t.

Anyone who mentions “hypergamy” is almost certainly an incel. Women have the power to make their own choices now. You aren’t entitled to find someone to love.

Title	Rethinking the Incel Phenomenon
Author	irfan98
Upvotes	157
Comments	139
Date	May 30, 2022 5:23 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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