False Accusations

Korinthe · 2022-06-22T22:37:29+00:00

Same thing happened to a family friend a few months ago.

His ex-wife encouraged her daughter to spread lies about him sexually assault her, utterly malicious with the sole purpose of hurting him.

He hung himself in the local woods and left a letter saying that he has no way to escape the situation, it doesn't matter how much he says he didn't do it and even if it was proven that he didn't do it that his name would never be clean.

Its all be proven now, the police went through his ex-wife's phone records etc and have found the plan between her and her daughter. Not like it matters now anyway.

Emet22 · 2022-06-23T01:06:55+00:00

If an accusation is found provably false, the accuser should suffer the same sentence that the accused would have gotten.

Boom. False allegations disappear overnight.

Automatic-Shelter387 · 2022-06-22T22:55:53+00:00

DISCLAIMER

10% of sexual assault allegations are found to be provably false, however research suggests false allegations may account for as much as 40% of all reported sexual assaults. The amount of false allegations spread on social media but not reported to the police is currently unknown.

John_Volker88 · 2022-06-22T20:04:59+00:00

Heartbreaking

regularcomments · 2022-06-23T01:33:37+00:00

In Argentina, a boy, who was ironically a feminist activist, was falsely accused by a female "friend" of rape.

He was stalked IRL and on social media. In the end, he kills himself.

SecondEldenLord · 2022-06-22T20:15:00+00:00

If I would've been an popular influencer I would've started this hashtag and look for the woman who did this to him. He was someone's son and now she might mourn for her lost child for the rest of her life because of some stupid bitch. And yes, I called her this way but this is just infuriating. How many more "Grants" should die because of such women? How many women like this one should walk away with no punishment? How many mothers should suffer of their son's lose because of some psycho bitch? This really REALLY infuriates me because this guy could've been me, and my mom would've suffered for the rest of her life ( she also suffers with depression and anxiety and my suicide would've kill her ). Something really really must be done!!!

hehimCA · 2022-06-22T21:50:24+00:00

Well put together, very tragic. There are so many people like this, hopefully the Depp verdict can be used to shine a light on them.

AcidJiles · 2022-06-22T22:12:28+00:00

It is almost certainly more than 1 in 12. It will not be a majority but it is far more than anyone in media would ever want to admit. This is the damage it does and it should be taken as any other serious crime. It hurts real victims of rape by wasting police and legal time that should be focused on them and it destroys the newly created victims who have been falsely accused.

CriticalConvo · 2022-06-22T21:06:27+00:00

How do we bring further attention to this case and get other news outlets to cover it?

Personal_Ice2327 · 2022-06-22T23:04:41+00:00

You know how they brand entitled women and call them Karen’s.. well we need to brand women who claim fake rapes and make up a name for them

Puzzleheaded-Heat174 · 2022-06-22T22:43:52+00:00

As someone who has been falsely acused before this one really hit me where i live

GreenEco67 · 2022-06-22T23:25:29+00:00

Rest in peace Grant. I'm so sorry

The_Wolf_LM · 2022-06-23T06:48:37+00:00

It happened to me in 2016, and the police worked with the liars to hide all the evidence. If it wasn’t for cloud back ups I would be in jail.

I proved the women were lying, but the police refused to charge them for 4 years, saying that the solicitor general does not want false allegations prosecuted.

So now, I’ve learnt the law and brought a private criminal prosecution against one of them; and the others are to come soon.

They face 7 years in jail each, I’m doing this to make a statement, that there must be consequences for false allegations.

Personal_Ice2327 · 2022-06-22T23:03:28+00:00

Who was the lady that called rape we need to put her face on here she needs to be branded for what she is

matrixislife · 2022-06-22T23:48:04+00:00

/u/thetinmenblog knocks it out of the park again.

Lord_of_Entropy · 2022-06-23T01:00:46+00:00

This is truly a tragedy. And I bet the gf suffers no consequences.

hai85rul · 2022-06-23T02:58:18+00:00

May they rot in hell. This will happen when the laws are lop sided to one side.

HikuroMishiro · 2022-06-22T22:16:56+00:00

Only thing I would change is to add something like 'and the real number could be even higher' after the one in twelve statistic. Pretty much everyone but mra's dismiss false accusations as something that pretty much never happens. People might see the 1/12 stat from a somewhat reputable source and believe it may be happening more than they thought, but most are likely to just file that under still a rare occurrence. Adding some kind of line to indicate the real number could be even higher than that might get some people to take the issue more seriously. Unfortunately the real statistics are something we don't know, and will never know. False accusations might make up 2%, or they might make up 92%. Either way hopefully graphics like this will help get some people to realize the problem instead of just dismissing it.

CptKillsteal · 2022-06-23T07:07:57+00:00

The lowest point in my life was when I was listening to the rape claim in court. I had completely accepted my life was over at that point as their wasn't even a spark of joy when I was ruled innocent. It has changed me permanently regardless. I've definitely become very bitter against women who abuse the system and their inherent trust. The whole "believe all women" statement is the worst.

noprnaccount · 2022-06-22T21:03:18+00:00

Please include this Instagram page @thetinmen in the heading in future as they post great content.

Heartbreaking story, rest in peace.

Shame on the BBC

MaxTheCatigator · 2022-06-23T02:36:25+00:00

In Germany, a study on ~2k cases from the year 2000 found that in 7.4% of what was initially presented as rape or sexual coercion, the accuser was prosecuted for faking a crime or false allegations. An additional 1/5 to 1/3 of the accusations were considered obviously not trustworthy by the prosecuting specialists.

CompetitiveCompany58 · 2022-06-23T00:21:41+00:00

This is depressing

TFME1 · 2022-06-23T00:55:28+00:00

This is saddening and infuriating at the same time.

Reductionism and oversimplification makes "1 in 12" sound like a "nothing burger", and it's a simple weaponization of math and statistics. It's like saying 1 in 7 Americans are black (13-14%, depending on what source you're data comes from). 1:7 sounds pretty miniscule and diminutive, right? This is abuse of perspective, since most people will never "do the math" in their heads. While 1:7 IS "technically" accurate (approximately), it gives no sense of true scale. Approximately 46,200,000 (46.2 million) Americans are black.

All number types (percentage, gross/aggregate, & ratio) should all be stated for any such references or simply not referenced at all. Anything less is either laziness or malicious weaponization. And "not making the references" isn't a great option. In fact, it's a terrible option, since nothing ever gets solved that way.

Another example: LGBTQ estimates are approximately 5% of the population or "1 in 20" people. In aggregate or gross numbers, that equates to approximately 16,500,000.

Quite frequently, oversimplification under the banner of "easier human consumption or ingestion", actually works against the pursuit of greater understanding and increased cooperation, by minimizing the true scope of the most important factor: people.

3-10 · 2022-06-23T05:07:29+00:00

I feel for him, and it still occurs, one of my first posts was s false accusation:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/77rgsi/i_finally_decide_to_leave_my_abuser_and_she_gets/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Since then I have had 3 more false accusations, I have lost 2 careers to those accusations, spend $40,000 between those accusations and custody and ended up representing my last half of my first custody case.

This is my 2nd custody case and we are not very far along, beat the restraining order move, expect more sides, going to probably spend another $3500 just on the home Investigation. Also beat off the CPS case, but the lady didn’t want to declare my ex as abusive.

The military has me listed as a victim of DV, but they still threw me out by refusing to let me re-enlist so 2 months later I could go to OCS.

We are here and we are victims too

CdnPoster · 2022-06-22T23:36:52+00:00

I'm curious, assuming that money was no object at all, what would the solution be?

Should each person who is falsely accused be able to hold his accuser responsible for his living expenses for his lifetime? Like they have to pay his grocery bill, power bill, mortgage bill?

Should each person who has falsely accused someone be imprisoned?

Should the false accuser have to call each and every person the acquitted person interacts with and explain that, "No, I falsely accused him."

What's the solution? How do we get justice for a person whose life has been destroyed by a false accusation?

2022-06-23T09:47:29+00:00

These woman get rewarded not just financially but on so many levels to make false allegations. The system rewards it. It validates woman and gives them enormous power over the man.

TurtleMOOO · 2022-06-23T09:55:24+00:00

I was accused of rape in college. I slept less than three hours a night for months, failed all my classes, and ended up dropping out. Years later and I’m still missing one single credit for my degree, working a shitty job that I am actually at right now, on hour 15 of my double shift.

I was cleared of everything but it doesn’t fucking matter. I lost friends and absolutely ruined my life temporarily. I’m happy with where my life is at but I should have a degree and a much better job. Not to mention over 10k in lawyer fees that I had to ask my parents for. That was a hell of an explanation.

Morden013 · 2022-06-23T10:11:08+00:00

This is something that really bothered me with the whole topic of men that are accused of anything and the whole Amber Heard - Johnny Depp trial.

It really boils down to this:

women's tears and statements are enough for the shit-storm to be initiated and the man to really start hurting.
man needs steel-solid proof and a very competent lawyer-team (read - a lot of money) to have a chance to mitigate the damage and repair his standing in the society.

During the trial, I asked myself - if Johnny Depp, as a talented actor and a rich guy, takes such hits to reputation and earnings, what chance do I, as a regular guy have.

Half-blind-bear · 2022-06-23T07:14:37+00:00

The tin men never fail to hit me in the feels

Borekp2 · 2022-06-23T11:27:44+00:00

This is really fucking depressing, seeing as a lot of people experience the same thing as Grant did.

Jacksonorlady · 2022-06-23T12:01:34+00:00

Had I not found my wife so quickly after this happened to me, I probably would have taken my own life.

strawberrycoconutice · 2022-06-23T14:39:41+00:00

I think it's great to bring this into the light.

I wish it would have been done sooner.

I support Jonny 100 percent.

Me too is real and so are false accusations.

Edit: I was wrong and he's gross

Ok_Status_1982 · 2022-06-23T21:22:19+00:00

This is horrible and more common than many would think, beware of some woman

BritishBloke99 · 2022-06-23T10:59:32+00:00

Oh man that is so sad, poor guy

Sinner12180 · 2022-06-23T12:54:26+00:00

The false accusation rate is higher than 1 in 12. That statistic is based on studies that found 1 in 12 to be BASELESS...meaning it was obvious to investigators that no contact possibly took place. Some studies suggest almost 50% of rape accusations are false.

Next-Singer1838 · 2022-06-23T13:55:12+00:00

I had a friend growing up that was driving down the street when a 4 year old child walked out into the street in front of him. He put the kid on the sidewalk who told him he snuck out and walked a couple blocks because the mom wasn't paying attention. This was before cellphones so he went home and called police. This was at noon on one of the busiest and most viewable streets from hundreds of home in the area.

The mom in order to dodge a reckless endangerment charge said he tried to kidnap the child.

The district attorney didn't care that the child was 2 blocks from home, that he didn't put the kid in the car or that he called police, they cared that the women claimed he tried to kidnap a child.

He is a registered sex offender now after they lied and said if he pled guilty to a lessor charge it would be a misdemeanor.

rainbow_bro_bot · 2022-06-23T18:41:09+00:00

It's worth noting Johnny Depp could afford the best lawyer and had an army of fans who adore him for his role in movies.

Unfortunately, when everyday bloke John Smith is falsely accused he may not have much money or an army of supporters. Any media publicity John Smith is going to get is guaranteed to paint him as a villain.

2022-06-24T11:02:34+00:00

I used to think the same, now, I could care less what other people think of me, and anyone who does this cares TOO MUCH what other people think of them, which isn't good. Go ahead, claim I'm a rapist, I'll be whatever you need me to be to fit your narrative just so you can sleep better at night. How do these men not snap and go on killing sprees before ending themselves? Why do they not ever go after their accuser? Do people like that deserve to live? Why or why not? Would you go after your accuser? Is it justified? It's mind-boggling.

Most men who are falsely accused get little to no support because they're NOT a high value A-list Celebrity man. Our society only values the rich and famous, or the alphas, whatever you wanna call them.

*Waits for incoming perma-ban for "inciting violence" just for asking rhetorical questions cause reddit can't address the real issues*

Informal_Ad219 · 2022-06-22T22:49:32+00:00

1 in 12? More likely 95 of 100 are false.

Ziogatto · 2022-06-23T12:11:27+00:00

The UK home office is a bunch of incompetent idiots and GROSSLY underestimates the amount of rape accusations that are false.

Fean2616 · 2022-06-23T12:45:15+00:00

When you hand one side of anything all the power you destroy the other, that's what's happened unfortunately.

Icy-Start5536 · 2022-06-23T13:01:06+00:00

Rest in peace.

Men we need to actively look for people in danger of committing acts there's no coming back from, I know most of us are anyway. We need to rewire our psyche and adopt a co-operative rather than competitive approach to one another. If we fail, there's no way of turning this around.

TheBlackMobster · 2022-06-23T17:25:11+00:00

False accusations are pretty common. Like 9 years ago when i was in 6th grade i remember playing dodge ball and this annoying girl had been getting on my nerves all week so i just targeted her first.. 30 minutes and a couple of headshots later coach came up to me super seriously and asked me "hey Savanah jones said you grabbed her boobs during p.e when we were picking teams" [yes i dropped her name fuck her] and since im like 11 or 12 i dont actually realize the situation and im just laughing like cmon coach she doesnt even have any. Luckily coach could kinda tell i wasnt even into girls or sex yet so he figured out she lied to be vindictive but now that im older it genuinely pisses me off that some random bitch would try to get me like that over hitting her with a dodgeball for being annoying af. And im sure most guys if they think back can recall 1 or 2 things similar with women just saying bs

hao_magnificent · 2022-07-03T20:19:50+00:00

wow this is very distressing and disturbing may he rest in peace

Huffers1010 · 2022-06-22T22:31:23+00:00

I'd be a bit careful about publishing the one in twelve number. Do we know where that data comes from?

The reason I ask is that the most widely used false claim rates are based on the number of people (mainly women) who are criminally convicted for making false rape claims. This is vanishingly low because they're just has hard to prosecute as the rape itself, and because many jurisdictions avoid prosecuting them for political reasons.

Simultaneously, it's common to hear people complain (probably quite correctly) about low conviction rates for rape.

So the vast, overwhelming majority of rape claims are never proven either way. I take no pleasure in that, but the fact remains. We don't have the faintest idea how many of them are true or false and nobody should get away with claiming false reports are rare, any more than anyone should get away with claiming true reports are rare.

I notice that most of the politics on this does revolve around the idea that false reports are rare, though.

NoCommunication5976 · 2022-06-23T10:06:43+00:00

Relating to the 2nd to last slide, the FBI has published a paper that states that over 40% of rape accusations are confirmed to be false, and most likely more accusations are false.

WestwardAlien · 2022-06-23T02:11:01+00:00

Eh not a woman, who cares.

Hound_of_Hell · 2022-06-23T02:14:33+00:00

Saw this on Instagram yesterday. Heartbreaking

MadBlackGreek · 2022-06-23T04:00:29+00:00

Even after being found innocent, society-at-large still crucified him. My heart dank when I read the part about his suicide

hih_h · 2022-06-23T07:47:48+00:00

I am out of words to describe what I feel. It's just unbearable.

subud123 · 2022-06-23T09:24:04+00:00

Its way more than 1 in 12. More like 4 in 10

UnablPossih8acc · 2022-06-23T08:16:22+00:00

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Diksha231 · 2022-07-22T18:04:55+00:00

Still doesn't change the fact that majority of rape accusations are true..

transformboi · 2022-06-23T02:46:38+00:00

This guy just keeps taking posts from @thetinmen on Instagram and posts them on this subreddit without giving any credit

Barkeri · 2022-06-23T02:11:44+00:00

Juries don’t give “innocent” verdicts. It’s “not guilty”. Big difference.

shoesofwandering · 2022-06-23T19:40:43+00:00

Out of 1000 rapes, 6 rapists will see the inside of a prison cell. False accusations are not the problem.

DataRedated · 2022-06-24T05:49:15+00:00

Only 1 law that favours men:

We get conscripted, which gets us out of this shitty world quicker.

GalaXy-World · 2022-07-06T11:43:13+00:00

He wasn't popular, johhny Depp is. You can't expect every single dude to get the amount of attention like johhny. But it's sad yeah

iMali_inqabile · 2022-07-10T23:24:26+00:00

It's bc people love Johnny and don't know grant.

StrangeBabyYT · 2022-07-22T13:10:51+00:00

If any false accusations happen in India, I would recommend watching the video mentioned in this comment of mine and contacting the helpline number of the NGO mentioned in the same.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_cjl6bF1bx0&t=21s

Title	False Accusations
Author	Automatic-Shelter387
Upvotes	2402
Comments	212
Date	June 22, 2022 7:31 PM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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