Do you believe that we live in a patriarchy?

muahdib2 · 2023-08-18T06:59:23+00:00

yeah I got my patriarchy membership card that gives me benefits such as

I can leave the country if there is a war
I have male safe spaces like male only gyms, etc.
I get promoted faster
There are male quotas for jobs, college admissions, etc.

oh no wait, that's for females.

fl_lckit · 2023-08-18T05:36:50+00:00

If patriarchy were real women wouldn't be allowed to bitch about it.

Punder_man · 2023-08-18T06:31:01+00:00

We 100% do NOT live in a Patriarchy as described by OP..
If we did then women would NOT:

Have gotten the right to vote
Have gotten the right to an education
Have gotten a right to earning money / hold a job
False Rape Accusations would be impossible
Women's issues would be ignored unless the directly affected men / men's issues
The Duluth Model would not exist
Men would get default custody of the kids in divorce
Alimony would not exist
etc

Feminists claim that we live in a system in which "Men" (Read: ALL Men) control all the power socially, politically, economically etc.. and use this power to benefit men and oppress women.

Which is all well and good in their fantasy land.. but when we examine reality it becomes pretty clear pretty quickly that none of that holds true

Now, to extend an olive branch I will agree that we live within a system which benefits a minority at the expense / oppression of the majority...
However, that system is NOT a Patriarchy.. we live within an Oligarchy in which the rich use their wealth and power to benefit them while oppressing the poor (This included women AND men)

But feminists can't see beyond their own noses to realize that their Patriarchy "Theory" does not conform at all with reality.
What this leads too is "The Patriarchy" being used as a boogieman for feminists to assign blame too and, by extension they then assign that blame onto men as well.

They will try to defend it with bullshit excuses of "The Patriarchy hurts men too!" or try to claim that issues men face are simply "The Patriarchy backfiring" but that does not hold up at all

Like.. they understand that men can design and implement systems like the power or sewage systems and keep them running..
But when it comes to developing a system to benefit men and oppress women then suddenly men become cave man levels of stupid and we not only somehow manage to create that system.. but at the same time we fuck up SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO badly that said system "Backfires" on us?

Yeah no... pull the other one!

Bowlnk · 2023-08-18T06:10:02+00:00

No, if anything the western world is a matriarchy.

Most of us start our life in a single mother home. With a matriarch at the helm, eather a mother or Grandmother.

Then we go to school where most of the faculty is women, again a matriarchy.

It isn't untill we start working that encounter men at the helm.

Current_Finding_4066 · 2023-08-18T07:06:20+00:00

As far as politics goes:

Women represent the biggest and most active voting block and politicians pander to women to gain their votes. Thus women have a strong voice in politics. As far as their issues go, certainly stronger than men. Simply check how the public and politicians react to mentions of women's issues and men's issues.

Just check how many laws that discriminate against men are around the world. I have not seen one law that discriminates against women.

There are many female leaders around the world.

Also check the actions of international organizations like the UN, WHO,... They regularly champion women's issues.

Social power:

Why do we always talk about women's issues and a large part of the public regularly shows disdain towards men's issues? Why are

As far as money goes. There are many rich women. But in this regard, men are in the lead. But in the end, these men represent a very small number of people and it is not a gender issue, but a class issue. Also, as far as I am concerned it is completely women's fault that they do not have successful startups like men who got rich beyond imagining in the past few decades. If they want to succeed in this way, they need to have bold ideas and take great risks. Of course, it also helps to have rich or at least very well-off parents, as most of these men had.

bifewova234 · 2023-08-18T06:24:45+00:00

The feminist agenda is useful to the rich because it undermines class consciousness, dividing and ruling the working class along gendered lines. This is why the wealthy owners of news outlets and advertising agencies give feminists a platform. Barbie probably epitomizes it, and the hypocrisy of the whole thing was laughable, especially the part where there's a female lawyer railing against corporate speech in a film that is corporate speech.

Tiny_Professional358 · 2023-08-18T07:42:01+00:00

Of course not if we did there’d be no such things as no fault divorce, mothers wouldn’t automatically get child support, women wouldn’t have the same rights as men.

In fact women have more rights then men both legally and socially.

In domestic abuse cases where a man is the victim he’s “guilty until proven innocent.”

If a woman commits sexual assault the man is seen as “lucky” or no one cares because “women aren’t threats.”

Men have to sign up for selective service women do not.

Women get shelters while feminists have shut down male shelters.

International women’s day is celebrated while international men’s day is ignored.

In a relationship the man is expected to pay for everything while the only requirement for the woman is to give him the time of day.

If a women SA’s a minor and she gets pregnant the minor who is the victim pays child support.

Women get lesser sentences when they commit crimes in comparison to men.

Women have all the reproductive rights when it comes to children.

Women don’t have to sacrifice themselves on a sinking ship if they’re aren’t enough lifeboats.

And that’s just scratching the surface.

Wasteofoxyg3n · 2023-08-18T09:20:48+00:00

No.

The only people who dominate society are the ultra wealthy. Feminists should redirect their anger towards them instead of mindlessly hating on men.

beleidigtewurst · 2023-08-18T07:20:24+00:00

Of course not.

Apex fallacy. Apex is mostly men, but majority of men is on the bottom (homeless, suicides, deaths at work and even underdogs at school)

Various_Band5668 · 2023-08-18T06:03:22+00:00

Every POS who says we live in a patriarchy needs to be slapped with a false domestic violence case. Fight it out in court for few years and then come back and tell me how patriarchy exists. Every one of them can F off.

No-Knowledge-8867 · 2023-08-18T09:58:29+00:00

Honest question: Do you believe that we live in a patriarchy?

I'm going to say that I do believe that society has been constructed as a result of patriarchy, but that patriarchy looks nothing like how feminists portray it.

By patriarchy I am referring to a male-dominated society where males control majority of economic, religious, social, and political power.

Society is the result of men civilising the world, and the biggest benefactors from a civilised world are women. Men still essentially physicallly enforce the rules of society through the army and police. Men still construct society that civilises the world we live in. Men still make up a majority of those who make the rules.

A patriarchy advantages men/boys at the expense of women/girls. In a patriarchy women and girls are looked down upon and face discrimination and oppression on the basis of their gender while men and boys experience privilege on the basis of their gender.

This is the point that i think is bullshit. I would say that women are largely the benefactors of all of this, and so then patriarchy advantages women over men. I don't think on this sub that I need to point out all the advantages that society attempts to create for women's benefit over men.

Marvinkmooneyoz · 2023-08-18T09:07:20+00:00

WOmen vote, own property and businesses, drive, don't have legal curfew that is sex-specific, can get education, can start a religion, can hold political office. Yes, a FEW men have outlandish economic power in our society, skewing averages that might be misleading about who makes how much money. But men are not really overall advantaged compared to woman (at least in the US)

Some states are doing some strange things right now regarding sexual rights, so it might be fair to say some states in the US are semi-patriarchal and getting more so.

OhWowItsJello · 2023-08-18T08:16:11+00:00

By patriarchy I am referring to a male-dominated society where males control majority of economic, religious, social, and political power.

So I'll answer this part from the perspective of a US citizen living on the west coast, and my answers will be regarding the mainstream culture - not fringe/sub cultures. I also align more with egalitarian views, so I don't mind "sharing the table" (so to speak) with women. I do have a problem with women "taking the table over" though instead of sharing it.

Economic? I don't know, but I don't think there would be as many powerful female CEOs in the baking sector if that were the case. Also, women are much more likely to benefit financially from the numerous social systems setup for citizens.

Religious? Absolutely. I think this is a hard one to argue against, though it seems to be slowly changing.

Social? Not even close. Women, in my view, undoubtedly hold the most powerful hand here.

Political Power? I'd say it's a game of tug-o-war at the moment. There's a very notable culture war that's ongoing. I agree with most of it, but I tire of the constant power struggle between genders, and wish the mainstream media didn't play off people's emotions so much for views as it only creates a powder keg environment.

If you want to know who holds the power, don't look at who's in charge, look to who they're most willing to "jump" for.

vanislandbroyo · 2023-08-18T11:15:43+00:00

Nope. Feminist propaganda.

jaypb182 · 2023-08-18T11:39:31+00:00

A patriarchy advantages men/boys at the expense of women/girls.

Absolutely not, especially in Western developed countries. I won't speak for other places where patriarchies might exist, but here in Germany, the idea that I'm living in a patriarchal society is total bullshit.

Why do you think so and what evidence do you have that supports your opinion?

The burden of proof is on the person making the claim. So far there is zero evidence that we live in a society that favors men in a systemic way.

How would you disprove someone who believes we live in a patriarchy?

People that believe we live in patriarchy have already made up their minds. No amount of disproving will change anything.

dependency_injector · 2023-08-18T08:10:54+00:00

I don't believe it.

Formally speaking, it is impossible to prove that something does not exist, see Russell's teapot. And I have never seen any proof that the patriarchy exists in reality.

Such a proof would include the names of the members and some documents showing that they intentionally did something that advantages men and/or discriminates against women.

Ask them to prove that the "advantages" and "privileges" are not caused by invisible telepathic pink unicorns. Just like the patriarchy, they are invisible, they can affect people's minds, and they are sexist (you know, regular unicorns are known to show themselves only to virgin girls)

zoxzoxzo · 2023-08-18T09:23:08+00:00

As far as western society goes, it is 100% catering to women and men are being treated like a lower class. But no one wants to admit that and feminists are still going around and shouting "we live in a patriarchal society". I mean, when will it stop? Today women are more privileged than men. How many more benefits and privileges they need to get in order for them to finally admit that patriarchy is no more?
I also find it so stupid that they are the loudest lot when it comes to US and western Europe, but they are silent like a grave when it comes to some eastern countries where some actual opression on women happens. All this is so stupid and this bubble will burst one day and it will be a real mess.

Wewinky · 2023-08-18T10:57:54+00:00

We live in a society built by men for their families.

ayroxus94 · 2023-08-18T10:59:48+00:00

I believe we don’t live in a patriarchy.

Most higher positions are held by men, but women aren’t forbidden from acquiring these positions. Women often believe they can’t get higher positions and that stops them getting them. Women that do get these positions are either the ones who shout the loudest or they play on feminism to get tot the top (then usually don’t know what to do when they get there a-la Teresa May and Liz Truss)

Alarming_Club7413 · 2023-08-18T08:22:49+00:00

No. I would say the opposite. We live in a degenerate, capitalist MATRIARCHY.

Swan_Temple · 2023-08-18T10:01:53+00:00

Preface with which country you live in,

Educational_Bet_6606 · 2023-08-18T11:20:44+00:00

No. Maybe centuries ago, but not now and not really so in the west for at least a century. In parts of the East I can say yes, women and girls often really do have it awful.

kaijyuu2016 · 2023-08-18T11:28:30+00:00

crippledhermit · 2023-08-18T15:09:53+00:00

Matriarchy yes. Patriarchy is as real as the Illuminati.

baby_budda · 2023-08-18T16:41:46+00:00

Not any more. But until a woman is elected president, they will continue to tell that tired old story.

JxSparrow7 · 2023-08-18T16:51:36+00:00

No. Nor do I think we ever truly lived in one.

I think we live in plutocracy more than anything. The rich and elite rules us unfortunately. One of the ways they gain the control is by keeping a "them vs us" mentality towards others. Patriarchy/Matriarchy. Black/White. Male/Female. Straight/Gay. Republican/Democrat. As we fight, they laugh and eat cake.

The old saying is never more true. "Divide and conquer".

throwaway0823700 · 2023-08-18T23:23:04+00:00

We live in a 'patriarchy' where 0.1% of men do everything in their power to trample the other 99.9%. And most of the injustices flagged on this sub are just another means to it.

GrandyRetroCandy · 2023-08-18T06:48:18+00:00

It was a patriarchy. No doubt. In the early 1800s there were no alimony laws. Don't like your woman? Kick her out, call her a wench, she'll be poor, on the streets, in a week. Back then, men did in fact have all the power. Women were not allowed to speak out of turn.

Things have changed drastically.

Women are now graduating college at higher rates than men. They are making the big bucks. The only ones who won't accept this are the non-industrious women who can't figure out how to make money for themselves even though it has quite rapidly become a woman's world.

We are no longer in a patriarchy. The only place it still lives, is perhaps among the ultra-rich, which is a huge talking point for those whole bring up the patriarchy.

In the average person's world, the average household, not the ultra-rich, it's a woman's world.

80% of household purchase decisions are made by women.

They run the household. The are beginning the run the world. Many of them are losing their minds in the process (because when you gain power, you gain not-so-fun responsibility with it, sorry ladies!). Not all are losing it. But for those who can't figure out how to make a dollar (despite all the successful suffrage efforts of the past 100+ years), they shout the loudest because aside from their gender, that part really is irrelevant, they are simply a human being stuck in the victim complex mentality. Who seeks to blame others for personal problems that they cannot come upon themselves to conquer.

Men are quickly becoming an afterthought. If you want to survive, you need to put your ego aside, stop chasing women for lackluster sex, and think about protecting yourself. Or you could get eaten alive. You could lose everything.

Can you imagine being in a courtroom opposing your ex-wife, with a feminist female judge/magistrate, a majority female jury? You will suffer for life after that ruling.

Men need to stop chasing pussy and start thinking about protecting themselves, now, before they get hurt in a way they cannot recover from...the pussy isn't worth it fellas.

I promise you it's good advice.

Being a man cannot save you. You don't hold the power anymore. They created a women's world and you now live in it. Adjust accordingly, if you're smart.

Don't shoot the messenger. I didn't create this world, but I acknowledge that this is the real reality we now live in. Be smart or be destroyed. Too many of them want to destroy you. Some of them do want revenge. Some of them do not want equality.

Our_media_lies · 2023-08-18T07:12:54+00:00

Yes because feminists say so and any questioning if it will result in at the least ridiculing, name calling and bullying. So do as you’re told and apologise for your privilege and believe all women.

Lord_Pogo_Stick · 2023-08-18T08:09:34+00:00

Who’s we?

The thing I dislike most about modern feminism is it ignores the realities of millions of women and girls in societies where they are genuinely considered second class. Instead of tackling the killing of rape victims in the Middle East, genital mutilation and rape in Africa, or girls forced out of education and being told what to wear due to religion around the world, they focus on C-suite positions and Politics in the most free and open societies in the world. It’s not about what’s right and wrong, it’s all money and power and that really is a response to an Oligarchy, not a Patriarchy, and guess what… 99.9% of us (man or women) aren’t happy about that either.

But if ‘We’ are Anglo-American societies (those that speak English) then I refer to Punder_Man’s response.

Albino478 · 2023-08-18T09:58:11+00:00

Absolutely not. Nor do we live in a matriarchy either.

Its more like plutocracy. The rich and wealthy control our life in more ways than we can see. The only way to win is to fight back as a group, but that spot is monopolized by feminists. They're the loudest that need to be pleased, otherwise there's revolt and protests. And breaking those up only exxagarates them

But they also kind of suppress others, muting everyone they dont agree with, essentially absolving or nullifying the voices of half the population. If the government passed a law that they dont agree with, there's backlash, like putting your hands on a hot stove. That doesnt mean that the government is right in these cases either.

But ultimately they are all just people individually. That makes them as a whole sceseptible if they target people one by one. That makes them controllable as well. We arent exempt from this either. We can be controlled as well.

IronJohnMRA · 2023-08-18T11:00:36+00:00

There is no patriarchy.

PheonixDragon200 · 2023-08-18T11:06:20+00:00

Yes men are generally in positions of power, but I think it’s important to realize that all MEN are not in power. It’s not a patriarchy. It’s rich people (usually) who are in power, not men, and men can’t be blamed for what a small group of elite rich and powerful men do.

elebrin · 2023-08-18T13:15:33+00:00

I believe that we live in a series of interlocking hierarchies that sometimes collude and sometimes clash with each other.

Some of these hierarchies have organized around specifically supporting women, while some have organized around looking like they support women. Some purport to work for people in a particular disadvantaged state, but functionally put women first.

Very rarely are men put first by an organization. You can sometimes find something that pops up around fraternal life, professional sports, or trade groups that are virtually all men. They are not particularly well funded when compared to the similar organizations for women - compare breast cancer awareness to prostate or testicular cancer awareness. You see advertisements for mammograms and whatnot for women, but men are never the targets for this. If they are, it's through their wives.

For me, the primary evidence that society caters largely to women is the numbers on household spending. If something is being purchased, it's probably being purchased by a woman even if the person who will be using it is a man. When married men buy things they generally get approval from a spouse, who makes any final decisions.

HfUfH · 2023-08-18T13:29:09+00:00

We live in a patriarchy because the majority of the ruling class are men. However, our society being rules by mostly men doesn’t actually translate to men in general having more rights, because the ruling class doesn't actually care about people who isnt in their soical class

Ronniebbb · 2023-08-18T16:36:18+00:00

Are we talking a specific area or overall world wide? Because living in Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. Is vastly different from western countries and I would argue those countries in rhe middle east are a very toxic patriarchy.

BEEZY086 · 2023-08-18T17:06:10+00:00

This sub does a pretty good job explaining why we live in more of a matriarchy at this moment in time. I think anyone who is actually curious can go to a space like r/feminism and ask why they think that we live in a patriarchy. If you do, it is important to not be condescending or rude cause they'll just ban your ass. Or even just google it to get a more concise dumbass response. If you do look to feminists for an answer here, i believe their lack of an actual answer will be sufficient for your understanding. It all boils down to being an opinion used by feminists to secure their position as the oppressed.

JazzPhobic · 2023-08-18T17:40:55+00:00

Do I live in a central african nation?

Do I live in a religion-is-law Islamic State like Afghanistan?

Do I live in a crime-owned nation with a weak and unstable government like Venezuela?

If you answered no to all 3, then you do not live in a patriarchy.

saito200 · 2023-08-18T18:28:15+00:00

No, in the western world we live in a weird combination of ideologies from the past, mostly oligarchical statism, plutocracy, socialism and finally some liberal principles to a very limited extent. People are mostly treated equally in front of the law, with women being somewhat more protected, and having a more or less strong and outdated bias toward seeing women as victims and men as perpetrators. Despite this, I also see the false belief that because women in general had less rights in some arbitrary past, they someone are worse off today.

I can't speak for other parts of the world. I would guess that somewhere in the world today women are treated horribly (and men not in power worse, probably) but I don't know about what I don't know

Deeper-the-Danker · 2023-08-18T19:08:02+00:00

there's a class divide not gender divide

Mi-Infidel · 2023-08-18T19:11:10+00:00

I believe we live under the rule of the hidden big bankers. Some of them seem to be coming forward lately for agenda 2030 I think it is? I may be getting my conspiracies mixed up 😂

2023-08-18T19:50:23+00:00

By your definition, our society has elements of patriarchy:

Economically, men control labor and ownership, but women control the consumer side. Religion definitely is controlled by men. Women clearly steer culture more than men. Political power is concentrated in men, though interestingly if we were in a true democracy, the fact women are a majority of voters would reverse this.

Our society advantages men/boys at the expense of women/girls in some ways (slight pay/power differences), but the opposite in other ways which I would argue are far more important (social freedom, close relationships, life expectancy, life satisfaction, consumer spending).

I don’t see women and girls looked down on these days so much as being treated as different in an essentialist and patronizing way. Men, on the other hand, are constantly characterized as dangerous or disposable. Just go into a crowd and say “I hate men” and people will nod along in agreement. You can’t say the opposite.

trusted_traveler · 2023-08-18T20:06:00+00:00

We do not live in a patriarchy, we haven’t been living in one since universal suffrage

if those who claim we lived in one took a look at actually existing patriarchies both in the world and in history they would understand this, if they’d accept it is a different question

JCgamerX · 2023-08-18T20:22:59+00:00

We don't live in a patriarchy. many high level positions are occupied by both women and men in fact mattel their actually board is 7 men and 5 women in reality. we have several female supreme court justices and almost had a female president. if you want an example of a patriarchy Saudi Arabia or Iran. literally those countries literally make women subservient to men that a real patriarchy where those women have almost no rights.

in fact I'd argue we have become hyper mysandric society. men are treated way worse than women you can be have your life ruined by false allegations while your accuser lives as Normal. if a man is raped he is shamed and if it was a women who did it nobody will believe you and if you report it your more likely to be arrested than she is. male teachers are stigmatized and the courts overly favor the mother over the father even if the mother is unfit to be a parent( I know this because I had a counselor who literally was only doing it to get full custody of his kid and was getting his exs parent to testify against her and they were willing his ex was a deadbeat drunk(the ex and his kid were killed 3 weeks before the court date) men have to go way out of their way to prove they are fit to be a parent. if men show their feeling we are looked as weak and treated with disdain. I'd say we treat men way worse than women.

wwwhistler · 2023-08-18T20:49:41+00:00

not for a very long time.

one of the main problems with modern Feminism is that by and large, they won.

but they keep on fighting as if they hadn't.

ZekalMacabre · 2023-08-18T22:41:08+00:00

Nope. There is no such thing in the same way that there is no such thing as toxic masculinity or rape culture or any other made up, non-existent thing that feminists claim exist.

troubadour310 · 2023-08-18T23:12:23+00:00

I believe any idiot can coin a term and look for evidence in the world to support it. I also believe it doesn’t take much to convince people they are victims

EnIdiot · 2023-08-19T00:22:35+00:00

The issue is that, whatever you want to call the system, it was designed to keep men doing one thing and women doing another by norms that no longer work. It wasn’t to any one sex’s advantage or disadvantage. It was to ensure an orderly society.

Men died in factories and battlefields. Women died in childbirth and under abuse.

DTreatz · 2023-08-19T00:24:26+00:00

If it is, it's doing a damn terrible job of it. We let females destroy basically all meaningful foundations of society in 2.5 generations.

Hard NO, try matriarchy or gynocracy

GTRPrime · 2023-08-19T00:42:49+00:00

Sure, we do. But the post-modern feminist interpretation of the term entirely misses the point.

Everything men do, they do to uplift and empower women. So that they can feel loved, respected, and appreciated.

I'm sure this comment will attract the usual "whataboutisms" of psychopaths, assholes, and criminals.

But that's irrelevant. Everything men do is motivated by the desire to provide for and protect women.

EricAllonde · 2023-08-19T01:33:08+00:00

"Do you believe that we live in a patriarchy?"

Not based on the dictionary definition of the word "patriarchy":

a system of society or government in which the father or eldest male is head of the family and descent is reckoned through the male line.
a system of society or government in which men hold the power and women are largely excluded from it.

Feminists have attempted to redefine the meaning of the word for propaganda purposes. We should not indulge their nonsense. Respond to every feminist claim about "patriarchy" by pointing to the dictionary definition of the word and pointing out that modern society is NOT a patriarchy.

Remember that feminism is solely about power, nothing more. They don't care at all about "equality". They're completely unashamed of their double standards, dishonesty and hypocrisy. None of that matters, only their pursuit of power. Feminists exploit society's innate gynocentrism to gain power for themselves.

Every feminist campaign follows the same structure: "Look, women are unhappy about something! The only way to fix it is to give us more power, privilege, special treatment and taxpayer dollars!"

The main problem for feminists is that there aren't enough legitimate causes of misery for women in the safe, prosperous, gynocentric modern world to fuel all their demands. So they have to make more of them up. "Patriarchy", the false idea that women are oppressed and excluded from society, rather than the reality that they are centered in it, is a key propaganda tool for feminists. It's a "big lie" for feminism per the Goebbels strategy.

White_Buffalos · 2023-08-19T02:51:17+00:00

If we lived in a patriarchy feminism would be illegal.

All one needs to know, honestly.

1837-1980 · 2023-08-18T06:59:26+00:00

No. We have the same advantages as men in society, there is not wage gap and women are offered more positions then men in STEM.

It’s illegal, all laws are against it. By law, it cannot be so!

The court system, that women can say whatever they want with no repercussions, a woman can say anything about a man and she will be believed, a woman is viewed as victims because of this it creates uneven scales, my brain is too moosh to keep going

ERiC_693 · 2023-08-18T08:04:11+00:00

I don't know or it depends.

The highest levels are filled by men like top politicians, CEOs, boardrooms etc.. that might be called patriarchy.

But the problem is that those men do not run things for men. For example, male politicians do not sit down with each other and talk about father's rights, male suicide, homeless men dying, boy's education etc.. and then set up programmes to help men. This is how feminism classes a patriarchy, like a big men's empowerment program, so that would explain how they see things as "how can male issues exist" when men dominate politics?. It isn't like this. These men run it for themselves. To me this is a falsification of patriarchy. Patriarchy is a tiny number of men ruling over everyone and running things for themselves.

So this idea of "what menz issuez?" "menz issues? Is this like wyt people's issuez?". This attitude of feminists shows their ideology very clearly.

If we use feminist logic, it means if women run schools (which the fucking do), that means girls can't face any problems in school because women run the education sector.

damn_son5 · 2023-08-18T12:16:16+00:00

Not really no. But it’s tricky. Women also seem to prefer some patriarcal structures that align with their preferences. For example: women normally wouldn’t choose a man that makes less money than themselves. Women also want their men to be bigger than themselves. So IF there are patriarchal structures in society, women are equally responsible for these because they wan’t them to exist.

Yog-Nigurath · 2023-08-18T17:02:34+00:00

In india women get raped and killed with impunity.
In Mexico women get raped or abused with the mexican police ignoring it.
In the U.S there is a big women traffic problem that is ignored

So, yeah. It depends on the country and the social dimension. Is not a blanket response that can be applied to every culture or social strata. I believe is tied to income and social status. White rich women who make a lot of noise in college cannot compare their experiences to poor women being abused. So yeah, I think patriarchy exists in any places.

Stairwayunicorn · 2023-08-18T07:15:49+00:00

only in an organic sense, as humans being a social species tend to relegate tasks to those who either are or seem to be best qualified to undertake them for the common good. That is not to say people actually have the merit to accomplish those tasks.

Coolio_Street_Racer · 2023-08-18T16:48:43+00:00

Yes the patriarchy in the sense that society has certain expectations from women.

While these expectations are oppressive. I do not believe they are more oppressive than the expectations society has for men.

Society expect certain things from everyone regardless of gender. Don't kill, rape, steal. These are basic expectations that everyone can get behind. Expectations or Rules that help us function as a group. As a society.

The more elaborate ones such as gender roles are rules also help us function as a society. Although it is much harder to derive the functionality of these rules within our society.

This is not the first era of gender dysphoria. Many many many civilizations went through it. Through first hand experiences civilizations of the past understood the functionality of these gender roles within our society.

We forget, the remainder is here. But as usual we are stupid to realize. Until it's too late.

asdf333aza · 2023-08-18T10:54:13+00:00

I believe we do live in a patriarchy. However, i believe the patriarchy overwhelmingly benefits women.

Most men aren't RP aware. BP and men in general have a proclivity to want to help women. They want to treat women more than fairly. This whole "believe all women" crap couldn't exist without men backing it. If a chick you've never met starts making a sceen and saying you raped her, watch men come out of no where to jump your and beat your ass just cause they believe her. They can't even fathom that she could be lying. A chick you live with calls the police on you, you're going to jail cause they automatically believe her. Johnathan majors ex gf broke into his house drunk and called him 37 times. He called the cops on her and they charged him with a crime. Mind you, she broke into his fucking house. All of that is patriarchy. It's a group of men in charge who are s!mping over women. A group of men in positions of authority who can't use critical thinking skills and think women can do no wrong. A bunch of men making bs laws and enforcing bs laws that benefit women. A dummy who believes a kid is automatically his because the mom told himself? Some places force the dad to ask the mom to get a paternity test. The courts probably won't care if the kid is his or not especially if he signed the certificate. When war breaks out, your ass is going to be a bullet catcher while they stay at home go to clubs and live a normal life.

We all agree that there are a shit load of laws and circumstances that benefit women. But who put these laws in place? Who enforces this crap? Who believes women no matter what lies they tell? It's men aka the patriarchy. It's the s!mps, blue pills and beta males that are making things worse for men in general for the sake of women.

TheSystem08 · 2023-08-18T11:44:38+00:00

Well we can't ignore that for a long time the world was run solely by men and that women were second class compared to us. But in modern countries its less of a man dominated thing. Its more of a power, money and connections issue. And a lot of the money is still with those men that have been running things for decades

Dramatic-Essay-7872 · 2023-08-18T08:49:52+00:00

no...

there are several issues who got distorted by misinformation and confirmation bias in our society... most feminists would probably say our society is patriarchal because of how we tackle upbringing of children, parental surrender, marriage/divorce and everything that is connected to that but they neglect how citizens should be protected regardless of gender and consequences of choices... you can not reason with radicals/extremists if your intention is to convert them...

This is when you explain that we were ALL born into a patriarchal world where most countries, particularly the United States were built for men, by men, to keep themselves in power and it has endless effect on women—it's important to be able to talk to educate men about what it means with solid examples. "askfeminists"

which countries would i call patriarchies/patriarchal?

all non democratic dictatorship countries which includes frauds...

are there patriarchs in democratic countries?

yes traditional conservatives are patriarchs of their family with consent of their wifes...

can men and women be equal or is one gender oppressed forever?

we are supplementary and i do not see how a society can equalize pregnancy and its effects currently... that said i support social security and everything that improves our lifes regardless of gender...

how should we as society tackle upbringing of children, parental surrender, marriage/divorce and everything that is connected to it?

open for debate/discussion...

FoolioTheGreat · 2023-08-18T16:37:05+00:00

Yes I believe we live in a patriarchal society.

By patriarchy I am referring to a male-dominated society where males control majority of economic,

Men are in charge of the majority of top performing comapanies. Men in general have more wealth than women.

religious

Women relgiouos leaders are very rare.

social

This is kind of odd? Males control social aspects of society? I assume you are talking about dating/marriage. I would say neither gender controls it.

political power

Most politicians are men, and the higher you get in government the less women there are.

A patriarchy advantages men/boys at the expense of women/girls.

This is going to be the crux of my belief of partriarchy. For all of human history in most civilizations, society was patriarchal. Men ruled, men controlled their families, men did the work, men controlled the money. Society was made by and for men to succeed, based on typical masculine traits. Ambition, strength, independence, courage, etc. Enter the modern era, women are starting to get more rights, but our society and capitlism still relied on those male traits to be able to succeed in life. Now to modern time, those traits are still what you need to suceed, but now women have on paper have equal rights, but they are engaging in a society that was not made for them to succeed. Typical femine traits do not help people succeed in a capitilst society. This puts women at a disadvantage. Hence why there are programs/grants/affirmivte action in place to help women succeed. As a fair society, would either need to help those who are disadvantaged, or change society so that those male traits are not needed to succeed.

In a patriarchy women and girls are looked down upon and face discrimination and oppression on the basis of their gender while men and boys experience privilege on the basis of their gender.

My post is already getting long, so I will just link this.
https://www.marieclaire.com/politics/news/a15652/gender-inequality-stats/

bulldog_blues · 2023-08-18T07:27:34+00:00

Objectively, we do live in a patriarchy. Yes, there's been a lot of improvement over the last several decades, but men absolutely do still have privilege and power over women, doubly so if they're also cisgender and heterosexual.

If you want to argue otherwise, I would ask you how to explain: * Men earning noticeably more than women on average * Why violent crimes are overwhelmingly committed by men * Why women are still expected to do the lion's share of work in the home while men can much more easily get away with doing little to nothing (in heterosexual relationships) * Why, depending on country, between 2/3 and 100% of political representation is men, when by population split you'd expect it to be 50/50

There are many more examples too.

HotRaise4194 · 2023-08-18T10:50:30+00:00

We certainly lived in a patriarchy when Barbie was first introduced. Since then it’s become much less patriarchal but I think there’s still a lot of work to do to reach gender equality however we’ve made so much progress.

coming2grips · 2023-08-18T09:48:37+00:00

I have observed our society to be controlled by a-holes, not gender sprcific

KhadgarIsaDreadlord · 2023-08-18T14:04:01+00:00

Instead of awnsering the question I'd like to share an interesting observation.

I'm on the way to get my bachelor in graphic design. 2 semesters down 4 to go. In the university there is a consistency of "young talented artists" 18-22 year old girls already opening their own exhibitions in galleries. There are some overlaping things betwen them. For one, they can't draw/paint for shit. Not in the "ugly is beutiful" way, there is a noticable lack of foundation in their skills. Another factor is all of them are one of the teachers. Interesting isn't it?

Female privilage is having the option to trade your dignity for success.

Due-Lie-8710 · 2023-08-18T14:43:21+00:00

Based on your definition no, but based on what the definition of patriarchy actually was yes

PuzzleheadedAide7057 · 2023-08-19T01:22:53+00:00

No. If anything we live in a matriarchy. And the fact that people will come after "straight white males" (we don't need basic respect) and falsely accuse people. Send them death threats and celebrate when they kill themselves all because of a supposed "male privilege" and when we criticize them back we get attacked even more because we are committing a hate crime against them because they are "exampletextsexual" or a woman that can't defend herself no matter what. I think what proves this is the way people responded to Ben Shapiros barbie Review. He made some good points about how questionable the messages were and people attacked him because of his other views and that is the problem with people on the far left. I like to consider myself right leaning central (because left wing politicians and left wing people piss me off); I think leftists just don't know how to debate civilly. I had an argument the other day on here (about the porn industry and how, this is a fact, it is one of the most harmful industries in the modern world) and my Nana died part the way through it, I had to take a minute so instead of my counter argument, I put "give me a minute I just lost someone" and they responded "I'll fuck your nan too" and I got called an incel throughout, coming from the person who defended the exploitation and potential trafficking and rape of various women (I kept my arguments going after I found out it was the piece of shit white supremacist Nana but that doesn't matter)I got really pissed when he said that and I reported the POS and he got banned. Anecdote out of the way. Leftists Don't know how to debate. Whenever they know they can't refute any evidence or points they immediately resort to insults and I have various encounters that can prove that. In conclusion, the straight white male is probably the worst person to be in the 21st century.

Impressive_65536 · 2023-08-19T01:57:17+00:00

I had this crazy ass feminist (was that redundant?) accusing me of being part of the patriarchy because I wouldn’t vote for Hillary Clinton.

Impressive_65536 · 2023-08-19T02:01:21+00:00

We had been friends for 13 years. She actually stopped speaking to me when I didn’t vote for Hillary. The way I felt about it was “since she’s not a real friend, it’s better that I found out now, before I wasted any more time with her.”

Strange-Effort8841 · 2023-08-19T02:17:38+00:00

Look at the stats of any business or government and tell me we don’t live in a patriarchy 🙄

White_Buffalos · 2023-08-19T02:48:11+00:00

No, not in the modern Western countries. This is a hysterical notion promulgated by Women's Studies primadonnas and misandrist dykes. It's pure-T bullshit I tells ya.

Patriarchal social structures exist, same for matriarchal structures, but mostly in primitive non-Western societies (usually theocracies in the modern era, think Pakistan, Afghanistan, parts of Africa... most of the latter days societies like this are Muslim).

I prefer the old name before it never existed: "The He-Man Wimmin Haters Club." /s

DaJosuave · 2023-08-19T05:01:03+00:00

No, it's a society controlled by people who have the means and the willingness to buy or sell power that doesn't belong to them.

Cainer666 · 2023-08-19T13:43:35+00:00

No - clearly there is a 'system' of a sort that treats men and women differently, but to bluntly deem it as benefitting men and detrimental to women is being rather selective about which aspects of it you pay attention to. I always thought it hypocritical that feminists were so adamant about de-gendering language like "fireman" to "firefighter" or "chairman" to "chairperson" (which incidentally I think makes sense), and then when they need a word to describe the problem that underpins everything that's wrong with society they pick "patriarchy". Of course then if you object they say that patriarchy also harms men etc. - give me a break.
Women and men are both disadvantaged in different ways by the prevailing cultural norms - I don't think it makes sense to get into a tit for tat 'who's got it worse' argument about it - instead instances of inequality should be discussed honestly and without dogmatism, and hopefully be addressed. A good first step would be to de-gender the name for the system - hard to expect men to get on board with an ideology that basically tells them "you are everything that is wrong with society."

mikehawk1988 · 2023-08-20T11:25:45+00:00

I think we live in neither but that there is discrimination both against men and women. But I do think that discrimination against men is underreported by far.

mrkpxx · 2023-08-20T15:32:25+00:00

What is patriarchy?

malcompowder87 · 2023-08-20T20:15:49+00:00

Not sure. We probably did, women have had life much easier than men in the past, men are biased in favour of women. Now women have more rights they have life much, much, much better than men as women are even more biased towards women than men are.

Title	Do you believe that we live in a patriarchy?
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Date	August 18, 2023 4:58 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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