I really love this scene of Zootopia. It depicts exactly the feelings of men who can't bear to be shown as dangerous

Manoj_Malhotra · 2024-01-09T15:03:10+00:00

“Men as beasts” is a harmful trope that dehumanizes and devalues men.

Ok_Persimmon5690 · 2024-01-09T15:25:19+00:00

Imagine unironically, being perceived as dangerous because of some shit 1% of the population did.

rammo123 · 2024-01-09T19:01:31+00:00

Disney is pretty good at accidentally making pro-male allegorical content while thinking they're only making content supporting another group. Zootopia is supposed to be a racial allegory, but it works far better as a gender one.

Another one is "Surface Pressure" from Encanto. If that's not the absolute distillation of the male experience I don't know what is.

country2poplarbeef · 2024-01-09T14:51:16+00:00

🤗 Thanks for this. I remember this scene sticking out to me when I first watched this movie. Really poignant.

OppositeBeautiful601 · 2024-01-09T16:33:45+00:00

Wow, that was a punch in the gut.

Motanul_Negru · 2024-01-09T16:03:44+00:00

"Not like a bunny/ woman could go savage"

I mean, Judy got better, somewhat, if I remember my Zootopia; but if I hear the RL version of the line, I'm not holding my breath

foxstarfivelol · 2024-01-09T15:58:16+00:00

interpreting this scene this way makes... too much sense honestly. funny how something can be a metaphor for many things.

CoffeeBoom · 2024-01-09T21:03:39+00:00

Incidentally I just realised, do we ever see a female carnivore going savage in Zootopia ?

JJnanajuana · 2024-01-09T23:19:23+00:00

The original plan was brilliant and leaned so much more into the metaphor being for men.

https://youtu.be/cC_5baiL8Io?si=q4Q6gzOVQgzBpeUG

Warning: that link leads to basically an hour of story boards and explanations of the original, but it's sooooo good that it's worth it even in that format.

Edit, extra info below:

The basic plot is that predators have to wear shock collars "to stop them from attacking" but the collars shock them for any emotion.

There are so many scenes in the movie that reflect men's issues. I don't know if that was intentional or just a side effect of creating a world with predators and prey 'living together' reflecting a world where men are viewed as 'predators'.

Example:

In the Museum Tour/Intro scene

- museum tour guide: we live in peace because of shock collars, predators used to do to prey...

Kids: not share?

Guide: Eat Us!

To me, reflects teaching boys not to rape, telling girls how dangerous it is to [whatever] with the implication being its men that are dangerous. Skewed stats, like the 1 in 5, and the "Respect" adds in Australia that assume men are... well predators.

There's also a scene where a polar bear has his coming of age party, and gets his shock collar, (it's heart wrenching, even in storyboard format.) but I feel it shows off the transition that happens to boys at some point where they are no longer part of the "women and children" group (that need to be protected), now they are "men" (that are scary).

not to mention the collars and emotions that's central to the whole plot/theme of the movie.

wrinklefreebondbag · 2024-01-09T20:50:02+00:00

I mean, yeah. Basically any story that tries to cover racial bias in policing is inevitably also an allegory for gender bias in policing because the gender criminalization gap dwarfs the racial criminalization gap.

If there were two buttons available:

Solve the gender criminalization gap.
Solve the racial criminalization gap.

It would be better even for black men, who suffer from the intersection point of both biases, to his the first button. That's how bad the issue is.

miscellaneousmonk · 2024-01-09T22:23:16+00:00

I always thought zootopia worked really well as an allegory for gender. Nice to see someone else bringing this up!

ChargeProper · 2024-01-10T21:36:13+00:00

Wow where has this sub been all my life, I thought lefties where basically all crazy and far left (I'm not right wing or left wing, where I'm from my culture doesn't work that way).

This post is so real and true you've almost got me tearing up, I hadn't looked at this way when I first watched the movie but it captures the feeling so accurately.

Thal-creates · 2024-01-09T16:50:58+00:00

God... That makes so much sense

ChimpPimp20 · 2024-01-09T19:19:31+00:00

I know this movie is mainly about the plight of black and brown people given the inspiration of the real life crack epidemic in the 80s and how it affected the ghettos but I think the predator/minority analogy doesn’t really work here.

The predators were legit eating all the herbivores and other omnivores as well. Black and brown people weren’t going around hurting people every chance they got. You have to think about the fact that EVERY predator before hand had eaten other animals multiple times at one point. Hopper has every right to be afraid of Nick because it really is biologically wired for animals like him to eat meat.

I feel like this analogy works better with men in mind and even more so black/brown men. This isn’t to say that men are hardwired to do harm but if we’re being brutally honest, there are a lot of men in prison for doing harm. It’s because of this that when people think predator they think “men.” The whole “it’s not like a bunny could go savage” plays into the idea of women being “sugar, spice and everything nice.” "Women are nice it’s the guys that are the main problem." Even people like Billie Ellish have been guilty of this recently.

Given that black men were and are considered the super predator you can add a bit of intersectionality in here too. Hopper being the white woman (the ultimate harmless damsel) and Nick being the black man (the alpha savage canine). I say this because that speech is something not just minority men can relate too but all men. The “you’re not one of them” is something I’ve heard from both women and white people and as a black guy it all seems too familiar.

Disastrous_Average91 · 2024-01-09T19:58:36+00:00

I think this is also about racism. This idea that the bunny has effects men so much, and has a particularly strong effect against men of colour

WesterosiAssassin · 2024-01-10T04:16:09+00:00

Yeah, this movie really spoke to me. Obviously the same parts served as a racial allegory too so I'm not sure the gender allegory was intentional, but it fits so perfectly that I wouldn't be that surprised if it was.

Geahk · 2024-01-10T04:20:51+00:00

People always mistake Zootopia’s metaphor for being about race—which doesn’t work or make sense at all. It’s always been about gender and when looked at that way the metaphor works perfectly.

JetChipp · 2024-01-10T23:47:56+00:00

Given the amount of time that I spent ruminating about if there is something fundamentally wrong with me and fellow y chromosome carriers that makes us dangerous or at least much more likelly to be dangerous, the "biological component" part really resonates with me.

Fantredath · 2024-01-09T21:37:02+00:00

I love Zootopia altogether and everything about it. I'm surprised this even made it into the Movie when you consider how Disney has been treating Men, and even their Male Characters.

Never forget what they did to Marvel and Star Wars.

They might as well have just had Rei cut Lukes balls off.

They could've saved a lot of Money on those Movies, had they gone straight for the Misandry.

psychosythe · 2024-01-09T16:06:30+00:00

Damn, imagine if this movie had any intent behind it besides making money off of furries

griii2 · 2024-01-10T13:10:13+00:00

Omg this is spot on

BloomingBrains · 2024-01-17T09:05:54+00:00

Reminds me a bit of the anime Beastars. It had a similar setup with anthropomorphic animals and tension between predator and prey species, but came down much more on the "people have a right to be afraid of predators" side of the argument. Ironic that an anime from conservative Japan would have more in agreement with supposedly liberal western feminists than a western animation would.

Question: is this a central theme of the film? To be honest I've never seen it and actually wrote it off as a kids movie. I'm starting to think I might have been wrong.

FlexMissile99 · 2024-01-28T21:19:52+00:00

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Zootopia is one of the most pro-men films to come out of Hollywood in recent years. A very clever allegory of modern gender relationships.

Polkawillneverdie81 · 2024-07-11T16:21:26+00:00

Is this why she gets assassinated after becoming president?

LeotheLiberator · 2024-01-09T17:07:55+00:00

You know, this also shows the plight of women too

The bunny has every rational and justified reason to fear the fox. Every bunny knows a bunny that has been attacked by a fox.

She knows this fox. This is a good fox. He's helped her in ways she didn't know she needed. She wants to trust this fox.

But it only took a second for that natural fear to come back. It's fight or flight when the fox shows his fangs.

There's two victims of the same problem.

Title	I really love this scene of Zootopia. It depicts exactly the feelings of men who can't bear to be shown as dangerous
Author	dr-korbo
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Date	January 9, 2024 2:36 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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