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Not sure about the red pill, but regarding the black pill, It would be hard for you to convince me that the black pill isn’t real because of the evidence I see every day with my own eyes.

What you would have to do are show me things like dating app experiments where you have a guy with a good personality and good hobbies but ugly face and short height doing well on dating apps (I.e. women treating him like a chad). But that doesn’t happen practically. The only women who match with these guys are those looking for a beta provider.

Or you could show me a random video of yourself going out in public and pointing out all the guys who disprove the black pill.

For some reason the only guys I see in public who are immune to the black pill are Hispanics. And that too… they only seem to do well with Hispanic women.

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Whether looks matters 100% or 95%, it’s irrelevant practically speaking.

If you have a group of 100 random dudes who are sexually unattractive to women, nearly all of them are sexually unattractive because of their looks and height, not because of their personality.

The problem with the blue pill is that it is assumes that anyone who struggles with dating has a bad personality, when in reality is nearly always their looks and height that’s the problem.

Unfortunately we grow up constantly hearing bluepill-based advice as we grow up. We are told to just be a nice person and that beauty is only skin deep. People keep hammering it into us that eventually we will find someone who loves us. What pisses off guys who are told this is that this advice has no basis in reality. When they actually go out in public and see the types of guys that do well with women, they are all tall and attractive.

This is why we have the balding Indian janitor meme. It’s poking fun at all these bluepillers who supposedly “know a guy” who is short, ugly and kills it with the ladies, when practically speaking I never see these guys in public

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Whether looks matters 100% or 95%, it’s irrelevant practically speaking.

You're right! Its a good thing I never said that.

If you have a group of 100 random dudes who are sexually unattractive to women, nearly all of them are sexually unattractive because of their looks and height, not because of their personality.

If you have a group of 100 random dudes who are sexually unattractive to women, I'd assume it has to do with a combination of them having both unnatractive looks and unappealing personalities.

The problem with the blue pill is that it is assumes that anyone who struggles with dating has a bad personality, when in reality is nearly always their looks and height that’s the problem.

Almost no one says anyone who struggles with dating has a bad personality, but to blame your failures in dating solely on your looks and height is a bit of a cop-out. Being ugly or short probably doesn't help a guy, but it isn't an insurmountable hinderance.

Unfortunately we grow up constantly hearing bluepill-based advice as we grow up. We are told to just be a nice person and that beauty is only skin deep. People keep hammering it into us that eventually we will find someone who loves us. What pisses off guys who are told this is that this advice has no basis in reality. When they actually go out in public and see the types of guys that do well with women, they are all tall and attractive.

I've seen many examples of short dudes getting girlfriends. The idea that looks don't matter at all is false. The idea that you can't find love if you aren't some tall jock is just funny. Maybe the sorts of women you hang around make choices on who their partner is solely based on how tall they are, but in my corner of the world people have more to consider about a person than that.

This is why we have the balding Indian janitor meme. It’s poking fun at all these bluepillers who supposedly “know a guy” who is short, ugly and kills it with the ladies, when practically speaking I never see these guys in public

Well, I think this is the essence of the redpill right here. Believeing that if you haven't personally observed it yourself, it must not be true. Believeing your own personal and subjective experiences over actual evidence.

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You’re the ones who refuse to provide any evidence. Do one simple experiment, go outside in public and record what the couples look like. Ideally it should be a place where young couples in their early 20s hang out like malls, movie theaters, boardwalk beach or any downtown shopping districts.

In this video, show me the examples of couples where the girl is clearly attracted to the guy (I.e she is going close to him or leaning against him when walking with him in public), and she is putting effort into her personal appearance (healthy weight, does her nails, hair, wears flattering clothing, etc)

Now, out of these couples you pointed out, count how many of them involve a guy who is above average height v/s below (assume average height is 5’10)

Also count the number of guys who are above average facially (6/10+) vs below (<= 4/10)

If the blue pill were completely true, you’d expect an equal number of men from both categories.

But practically speaking, the ratio will be like 30:1 if you exclude Hispanics.

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For real it is honestly like a cult. When first came on PPD I was looking to help out one of my friends kids. He was going down the wrong path towards this kind of bullshit. We shared a hobby and talked a lot. I had to find why this good kid was starting to get this kind of horrible mentality.

I used to post in here and refute their "facts" with solid evidence. I'd post links to legitimate articles. They would just get tore up with the most illogical rambling. Then they would point out their one little baby article that made no sense had nothing to back it up and just wasn't legitimate.

These people don't want facts these people want their insane opinions to reign supreme. They don't want self reflection, they might learn something that way. They especially don't want anything to be said that bruises their ego.

A lot of these people will never be stable enough to have a relationship. Because they will never do the work on themselves. They will never come to the realization that they were the problem. It almost makes me feel bad for them until I read another one of their rants.

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You referred to these men as beta providers. What do you think they’re providing?

It might surprise you, but I don’t know the intimate details of my friends’ sex lives. Most adults don’t share that information with everyone they know.

I don’t hang all over my husband in public, because that’s childish behavior, but he’s still my favorite person after 20 years together, and we still have sex regularly. I have never had a one-night stand, and I didn’t make my husband wait for sex other than the fact that when we met, we lived long distance from each other. We met briefly in person while he was on vacation in my hometown and kept in touch. We decided we were more than friends shortly afterwards, and we saw each other in person a few weeks later. We had sex on our first visit together, about 3 1/2 months after we had initially met.

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I think this is being overcomplicated. I would say that you can't negotiate attraction in people, so if her attraction is driven by look or by intelligence or by something else you can't tell and you can't change. What mates to men though is that the attraction, whatever causes it, is as real and as enthusiastic as whoever she liked in her past.

What this means is that if she was attracted to tall, handsome men in her youth, that is to say when she could pursue her true attraction without the confounding pressures of settling down, having a family etc, that attraction manifested itself into true enthusiasm for that man. For the time spent with him. Time spent including talking, activities, cooking, having sex, all of that.

What's insulting is realising that women are negotiating their own attraction towards you. Thats what's galling about being the man she settles for once she's pursued her desires but failed in securing them. She isn't truly, unconsciously attracted to you and it shows. You have to compensate for your looks or your height or something else which if she was honestly attracted to you, would not need compensating for in her eyes. After all, the men she desired in her youth would have things they weren't good at, but she didn't weigh that against them.

You can't know what the calculation she is making in her head is, but you can tell if she is making one. And that's because the true enthusiasm she had with the men she truly desired? It's not there. It will never be there, no matter what you do, it's a fools errand to try and create it as a man.

That's what makes a man realise she doesn't really desire him, that's he's her disappointing settling option, the one that if her true desire came for her would be dropped without hesitation.

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You’re the one who made this post asking us what evidence would change our mind.

I am telling u the evidence that would change my mind. It’s simple. Go out in public, record what young couples look like, and show me. Yet you refuse to give it and somehow expect me to believe something that I cannot see with my own two eyes.

The people who conduct these studies are the same ones who try to convince us that there are no meaningful differences between races when we all know that isn’t true.

Literally every single bluepiller who responded to my comment makes up some bullshit excuse of why they can’t record a simple 30 minute video of their local mall or movie theater and show me what the couples there look like and how they act towards one another. It’s funny seeing all the different excuses you people come up with.

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I'm older than 3/4 of this sub or more. I've been married for almost 16 years now. Prior to that I had a very active sex life with a body count that skews the statistics. I became wealthy 5-ish years into the marriage so most of the dating was done as very poor and average or below average in everything except hairline (my long metalhead hair still looks better now than some of the 20yo guys I see) and intelligence.

In a sex life that started quite literally in the previous century, I've observed things and confirmed or disproved various hypotheses on myself (that includes TRP hypotheses - some of them are clearly universal, others are context-dependent and don't apply everywhere).

Your question is not specific enough. Still, I'll bite. Here's what would make me question my worldview:

Women no longer overwhelmingly initiating divorce
Women no longer engaging en masse and as an absolute norm in hypergamous behavior
Women en masse dating down and especially significantly downwards in line with men's patterns
Women no longer manifesting an automatic pro-female bias in 75%+ of the cases and men no longer manifesting an automatic pro-female bias in 25% of the case. I'm not even saying they manifest a pro-men bias. Even if women just switch to default no bias (like 75% of men) would be enough to question my worldview
Women voting for policies that are explicitly fair (which inherently means trimming some self-evident women's privileges)

These 5 would be a good start.

Heck, if 3 of these happen I'd doxx myself and make a video waving the feminist flag and appologize for having been wrong for 25+ years.

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Missed this post originally

Women no longer overwhelmingly initiating divorce

Yes this is true. But it doesn't really mean anything on its own. It tells you nothing to why women are choosing to divorce, or more importantly what is causing the divorce.

Women no longer engaging en masse and as an absolute norm in hypergamous behavior

Women en masse dating down and especially significantly downwards in line with men's patterns

Womens and mens mating pattens (ie their actual behaviour, not just preferences) most relationships are assortive, meaning both partners are similar in attractiveness level, education and socioeconomic status. [Taylor et al, 2011][Conroy Beam et Al (2019)] [ Robinson et al 2017]

Women no longer manifesting an automatic pro-female bias in 75%+ of the cases and men no longer manifesting an automatic pro-female bias in 25% of the case. I'm not even saying they manifest a pro-men bias. Even if women just switch to default no bias (like 75% of men) would be enough to question my worldview

I don't deny the women r wonderful effect. But for what its worth: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/331639154_Catching_up_with_wonderful_women_The_women-are-wonderful_effect_is_smaller_in_more_gender_egalitarian_societies

Women voting for policies that are explicitly fair (which inherently means trimming some self-evident women's privileges)

This statement is so broad, and general and loaded its not worth even responding too.

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Doesn’t make him attractive [because he’s not fat]

Sure, same with the woman. Attraction is subjective anyways.

> or “above average” looking because he’s not fat

But… nah, average has a definition, and if you consider overweight and older women to be unattractive, then the average and median woman is unattractive to you.

The average BMI for women in the US is 29.6… overweight. So by definition, the average woman is overweight. The median BMI is also overweight, even for young women: the median BMI is 25.5 for women aged 18-24; 26.4 for women aged 25-29; and 28.1 for women aged 30-34. For reference, overweight BMI starts at 25.0.

So yes, if being overweight and/or older than 40 makes a woman unattractive, then the median and the average woman are both unattractive.

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The problem I find is that everyone has their own definition of all the pills. I'm sure a lot of people will have problems with the way I view and define the various pills, but I'm always willing to change my views, so please correct me if you think my assessment is wrong.

This is what I perceive or think about them.

Blue Pill - the generic contradictory basic reddit type "believe in your dreams and anything is possible" type stuff

I can never be Blue Pilled, the blue pill is idealist and I'm a materialist, just not compatible with my world view. But I'm always willing to change my mind. if there is strong evidence my mind will be changed, but I find it highly unlikely, just as I find it highly unlikely that Islam or Christianity can convince me that they are the truth.

Red Pill - A more vulgar non politically correct version of the same kind of stuff the blue pill goes on about, with some changes. For example both bp and rp people believe behavior matters, but they disagree about the behavior, the bp think you need to respect women and be nice to them, while the rp think you need to be alpha and neg women and treat them like trash.

While there are certain things from the Red Pill community I agree with I largely just see it as being equivalent to the bp, just two idealist world views. If the stuff they talk about actually worked then I would change my mind, and I've written about my PUA friend here before, but he was a pua red piller and never had success, not once, over a period of 12 years. If he has some success and was actually getting date and with attractive women then I would think okay maybe there is something to this stuff. But nope, never seen it happen, same with people who follow the BP advice.

Black Pill - This is the pill I like the most because it's materialist and scientific, sure there are problems just like with any other materialist community, but it's overall the best lens to view sex and dating in. But one problem with this community is that the community is so shit, like the bottom of the bottom. There really aren't good black pill forums or subreddits to discuss things respectfully. The blue pill and red pill communities are better to engage with even if I don't agree with them. But it's because of the black pill community that I even got my surgeries in the first place which saved my life, one of the best things that happened to me. Even with the amount of shit covering the black pill community I do still think you get the best more practical meaningful advice from it.

I also think people should have some humility and take the time to understand why other people think the way they do. For example let's say someone visits a fortune teller and they tell the person that if they wear red shoes tomorrow and buy a lottery ticket that they will the lottery, and they get lucky and actually do with the lottery. Then it would make sense for this person to believe luck or magic works, like a survivorship bias. Similarly a more on topic example would be someone who respects women and treats them nice who meets a girl when he is 15, gives her flowers and gifts and they end up dating and eventually getting married and live a long and happy life together. It would make sense for him to believe being nice and giving women flowers is how to get women. So if people truly had success with blue or red pull views then I'm still very happy for them even if I don't agree with them. Do whatever works for you.

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I don't understand what your studies are meant to prove. The first one says that women who marry as virgins are more likely to not get divorced, which makes sense because women who marry as virgins are most likely religious, and religion tends to frown upon divorce.

The second study literally says the opposite of what you want it to:

This study suggests that increasing women's education, particularly primary school, could help reduce the rate of divorce among women. To reduce the divorce rate, family counsellors, social workers, and other help professionals should raise awareness of the effects of early marriage, third party interference, substance abuse, age disparities between spouses, not living together at the same address, marital control behaviour of husbands, lack of discussion, partner violence against women, and women who know multiple partners. Spouses should have a habit of discussing, especially sexual matters.

I also don't understand the view that divorce is always bad thing. Shouldn't unhappy couples get a divorce? A low divorce rate doesn't always indicate happy marriages, often it indicates an inability for the parties involved to safely leave their unhappy marriage. My parents got divorced, and it was the best fucking decision either of them made. Their relationship had run it's course and I was thrilled to no longer have to see my psycho mom.

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https://ifstudies.org/blog/husbands-with-much-higher-incomes-than-their-wives-have-a-lower-chance-of-divorce-

It seems that the traditional male breadwinner family is still very much a reality in the U.S., and those couples where the wife has a higher income than the husband still have a greater chance of divorce than couples where the husband has a substantially higher income. This is not only true in the United States. In highly egalitarian Sweden, a higher share of income earned by the wife creates an increased risk of divorce, per one study, and another study found that even an unexpected windfall (winning the lottery) leads to a greater chance of divorce for female winners and a lower chance of divorce for male winners. These results suggest that the spouse who provides the most financially in the marriage matters differently to husbands versus wives, and they are consistent with the claim that women still value the financial prospects of a spouse more than men do.

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You can if one person makes a lot more than the other and then you both willingly sign a marriage contract. That's sort of how the entire thing works. If you don't like it, you don't have to get married.

You're putting the cart before the horse. Men want to be these things because women find them attractive. Don't do the thing women find attractive is hardly a great strategy.

45% of marriages now have either the man and women making a similar amount, or the woman making MORE than the man, and this number is only increasing as women overtake men in college. And the idea that women making more than their husbands is a predictor for marital disatisfaction has been proven false:

We find that wives’ relative earnings were positively associated with the risk of divorce among couples married in the late 1960s and 1970s, and that this was especially true for wives who outearned their husbands, but this was no longer the case for couples married in the 1990s. Change was concentrated among middle-earning husbands and those without college degrees, a finding consistent with the economic squeeze of the middle class over this period.

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Want evidence, type men who got divorced in the reddit search bar and see what men are talking about.

Despite what redpill people think, anecdotes will never be aequate evidence. I don't think you want us to start using reddit to shape our view on the world, anyways. You can just as easily find stories where women talk about how abusive and horrible their male partners are/were.

Sure, divorce is understandable. But divorce is less likely to happen if the man places himself in a position to choose good marriage partners.

Some women, are not marriageable, avoid a bad marriage and the inevitable divorce. Avoid the warning signs.

Some people aren't cut out for marriage, I don't think anyone argues this. I would just argue that what the redpill thinks is marriage materail and what actually is marriage material are two very different things.

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Don't pedestalize yourself for one by trying to claim you are the authority by saying "you guys" because you have no idea what I or anyone else knows, is, or does.

The scientific method is an empirical method for acquiring knowledge that has characterized the development of science since at least the 17th century. The scientific method involves careful observation coupled with rigorous scepticism, because cognitive assumptions can distort the interpretation of the observation. Scientific inquiry includes creating a hypothesis through inductive reasoning, testing it through experiments and statistical analysis, and adjusting or discarding the hypothesis based on the results.

A group of hundreds of thousands of men going out and testing hypotheses over and over again, continuously changing them, and retesting, is far more scientific than any study ever done. To think that incredibly biased, cherry-picked for funding, and non-replicable studies, further diluted by meta-analysis is truth is hubris at best and down right stupidity at worst.

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A group of hundreds of thousands of men going out and testing hypotheses over and over again, continuously changing them, and retesting, is far more scientific than any study ever done.

Again this just isn't science. There too much bias and noise going on.

I'll give an example of what I mean. A skinny guy goes out and gets really jacked, then he starts to get more girls. What exactly can we determine from these findings?

Well, firstly it could be the case that he became more attractive to all women, OR it could also be the case that he became very attractive to a minority of women. If he's jacked he may be in a social circle or an area which is around gyms and so forth, where more women who are into that reside. He also may seek out women who are more into him that way. He also may become more confident, which is a confounding variable. And on and on.

Placebo Effect (they buy into the red pill working so they believe it will work), Observer/Experimenter Bias (self-explanatory), Reporting Bias (leave out reporting other confounding variables), Sampling Bias (where they live or who they interact with), Selection Bias (who they seek out and who seeks them out), Confirmation Bias, self selection bias, ; are all things that would heavily effect someone running a social experiment on themselves.

LaborAustralia · 2024-06-18T00:13:40+00:00

In leu of this recent post. I thought I would ask a slightly different question to the Red Pill. What type of evidence, or what would that evidence have to...

I am not saying that getting jacked won't work. i'm saying actual studies are only going to prove if it does work.

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I don't really think men or women are all that different from each other. If the contexts were flipped and men had the kind of options women have and vice versa as well as swapping the average libido and amount of in-group bias then men would act about the same as women do now.

This is to say that I don't buy into the RP idea that women are monsters intentionally harming men or something. They are just acting how any other human would, given the advantages, disadvantages, and incentives they are presented with.

But I did cherry pick what I thought was useful from Red Pill, notably the behaviors and techniques to attract women. To me this was night and day difference in effectiveness from mainstream advice, as I understood it. While there is some truth to the idea that you could find most of this stuff in either "Red Pill" or "Blue Pill" advice, to me RP assigns much better priorities to where to improve. Also there are some things in RP that are unique and useful.

For me I would have to see more success from mainstream advice for myself or other guys to be convinced Red Pill is not closer to being correct.

What I see is guys from all over the political spectrum, feminist or not, whether or not they subscribe to any kind of pill or not, demonstrating qualities described by Red Pill to have success. Usually these guys are naturals - it's relatively rare to see a guy acquire these qualities intentionally because it takes so much work. It worked for me but I expect 90% of guys to fail if they try. Doesn't mean the advice is not valuable to someone who has the drive and ability to be realistic about what it takes.

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There's nothing to change about redpill for me.

The overwhelming evidence proves most of redpill tenets is real. Besides, anecdotally, its pretty much impossible to prove my own eyes wrong. I see redpill in action and its predictability all around me be it at work, social spaces, media, entertainment, tourist places, etc. In fact, the more I interact with women, the more they unintentionally prove redpill right.

But funnily enough, I did change my mind about one aspect of redpill talking points.. which is the paranoia surrounding "divorce rape" that many men's rights activists propagated on the internet. In many instances, if you ACTUALLY look at the details of the divorce court case, most of the so called prenups actively break established laws of the country. Like, I once read some dude actually wrote in prenup agreement he won't pay child support after marriage. Some even have a clause that blatantly say the dude won't pay 50% of the marital assets.... I don't know what got into these dudes to write something THAT stupid on paper. Even a first year law school student would tell him that won't work in the court of law.

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What Kind of Evidence would change your Mind about the Red Pill?

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Title	What Kind of Evidence would change your Mind about the Red Pill?
Author	LaborAustralia
Upvotes	11
Comments	172
Date	June 18, 2024 12:13 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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