Giving up on women is a very healthy choice (for real)

wtknight · 2025-07-03T11:08:51+00:00

Removed. No woe-is-me posts.

Business-Stretch2208 · 2025-07-03T07:10:32+00:00

I disagree with the sentiment that no woman will ever want you and that you're doomed, but not basing your identity around a romantic relationship and focusing on other things is a healthy thing to do.

NiceGuy_4eva · 2025-07-03T07:47:01+00:00

Totally valid. On one hand, it sucks and on the other hand, it takes you towards true independence. Nothing you do would matter, who you are wouldn't matter. It sounds like it's bad but in actuality, it just means you can be whatever you want to be.

For me personally, I have to look after my parents in their old age so I'm not independent yet. However, since I'll never have a wife or a family, once my parents' time is over, I'll be truly independent.

You get my idea, right?

throwaway73737828 · 2025-07-03T08:45:28+00:00

Well it depends on you working towards it or not, women don’t have intimate relationship with average men anymore, before 2000s this wasn’t the case but after that so many things changed. So if you are average or below in looks, money, social life, charisma, instagram followers, you wont gonna attract any of em, or at best you will have a ugly or a fat one. So in this era for relationships you have to improve yourself or you are out of the market, its that simple

LawfulnessSuper5091 · 2025-07-03T07:20:35+00:00

"even if it’s true" it's not. Surely you're intelligent enough to see that EVERYTHING now gets processed from "good points in there" or "valid different perspective" to 100% polemic black and white rabbit hole in the blink of an eye.

You have not left the manosphere, you are literally embodying its extremes.

It's hard out there mate, no question, but this hyper obsessive nonsense won't help.

Women are not robots, they are not all the same (far from it) and if you start viewing them as such, varied human beings, with varied needs and personalities, and work on yourself positively, good things will follow.

It is your choice. And if you need help with that choice, see a therapist, not a chinless online grifter.

Pull yourself together, stop with this excess self pity crap (though it's ok to be compassionate with yourself), but also - good luck.

gaslighterr · 2025-07-03T07:43:01+00:00

As a bisexual women i just gave up on everyone😭 The dating scene is sht right now and I love hard. Theres no point in wasting my energy on someone thats just gonna end up leaving me when the slightest inconvenience happens. It seems like nobody understands that you have to put in effort and work through a relationship to maintain it. Everyone has way too much options nowadays, even the 10/10s are getting cheated on. I lost hope for this society. If i could get rid of social media forever i would in a heartbeat.

Outside_Memory5703 · 2025-07-03T07:50:13+00:00

What is a “low tier woman”?

topforce · 2025-07-03T07:54:51+00:00

I agree about not watching slop.

Once you get used to the feeling of women being out of reach, you lose interest. You stop thinking about them. You forget they’re even “supposed” to be something you’re craving. You just don’t care anymore.

In my experience it doesn't work like that, brain is hardwired to want women.

No_Self_2165 · 2025-07-03T09:10:13+00:00

Giving up is a valid stance with a caveat that you should not base your self worth off women’s choices.

Look a lot of marriages are shitty, abusive and will or should end up in divorce. Most people are not the wisest while picking a partner. So you are not inferior to a random guy because you are not chosen, maybe you had potential to have better partner but it never was realized that’s the end of the story.

Giving up is also freeing in a way. You can now let go of societal expectations on you for sake of being a man. You don’t care about women in general and their expectations from you as a man, you don’t let others burden you for nothing.

selecadm · 2025-07-03T08:28:20+00:00

Low tier women want you? Wow! Even them I don't get. I mean women don't have non-transactional sex with me, except a few I can count on my hand and that's lifetime history, not currently. Emphasis on non-transctional because in my country hookups charge money, thus making it transactional. They do this after face control and despite mutual attraction. But if they charge money, it's transactional. For example a woman claims she had a taboo not to fuck outside of a relationship, then straight up prostitutes herself, writing on a dating app she will do anything for money. And I am like, you immediately reacted with a heart emoji on my photo and IRL called me handsome, you came 4 times in a row from my oral, we hugged on my way out and you say you want to see me again. Why do you charge me money?

If I say women don't have sex with me, it's called "exception confirms the rule" when they actually have sex with me but charge money.

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RycerzKwarcowy · 2025-07-03T08:46:21+00:00

That was one of my exit plans, but after 40 or so. I didn't want to argue with all "but you're still young" whiners and decided I'll keep trying no matter how at least until 40, then I'll reconsider: keep living single life or otherwise.

But I'm not the one to judge when enough is enough.

BobtheArcher2018 · 2025-07-03T10:28:09+00:00

Being brutally honest, from an individual perspective, the main issue is whether people with lower mate value can find what they can get attractive enough to be worth it. Or able to live with them, etc.

To some extent, our ability to find others attractive scales with our own mate value. But the scaling is not perfect, and works a bit differently for the genders. It is true that at the bottom of the sexual marketplace a lot more women than men just wont be able to find what they can land sufficiently attractive--and I think modern culture is adding to this issue. Not all biology.

But for a guy, keep it real. What is your league. Are you truly in that untouchable zone? Or is it that you don't like what you can touch?

Turbulent-Company373 · 2025-07-03T10:59:57+00:00

There appears to be two types who may feel like giving up on women. Those who have had their fill and may want to take a break. This appears to be rarer. Those who have not had much and have given up. This appears to be more common.

Schleudergang1400 · 2025-07-03T07:11:57+00:00

Explain how men just like you are having sex and relationships

throaway2s1fsfsf4 · 2025-07-03T08:03:38+00:00

It's an option, but there is an opportunity cost in totally giving up. You can put yourself out there without much effort. Posting once a month on r/r4r or something takes 30 seconds. Sure there is almost zero chance you're ever going to get a serious reply, but it's not like it's taking much time or energy out of you so might as well give it a try.

Like everything in life, it's better to find some of kind of healthy balance. Totally giving up is not a good strategy and neither is dedicating every single hour of your free time to finding a gf.

Statistically, the odds that a man who can hold a steady job and live on his own will never be in a relationship in his life are extremely low, basically 0%. From there, totally giving up doesn't really make sense unless you genuinely don't want a relationship.

-SidSilver- · 2025-07-03T08:53:12+00:00

even if it’s true

It's not though, and believing in it is no doubt contributing to the toxicity you seem to feel. That's not to say that there are not crumbs of truth in there, but these 'genders are a monolith' movements will only ever take those little seeds of truth and use them to build a shitty worldview that's based on little more than feelings and in a lot of cases bigotry. The so-called 'manosphere' is probably the absolute pinnacle of that MO, honestly.

Obviously this won't ring true to you because you probably feel it's completely in opposition to your experiences, well, I never said it was wrong that you might not end up having an intimate personal experiece. I think this can be very true for a huge portion of the male population.

This idea of 'giving up on women' is pretty wild though. For one, women aren't just there to be your romantic partner. You may never find romance (although I'm sure it could happen) but the story your telling yourself seems to be that this switch of 'either/or'.

The far more terrifying reality is that unless you're blessed enough to be in the top % of men, your chance of finding romance - like your chance of many things in life - is just that. Pure fucking chance. You might roll poorly, then one day, you might roll a hard 6.

You solution to a bunch of poor rolls is to just stop rolling, which, yeah, WILL kill your chance forever and that makes what you're saying a self-fulfilling prophecy.

The answer - I think - is not to give up, but not to make it the centre of your personality either. If it happens, it happens, if it doesn't, it won't. Do things that'll increase your odds of success, but don't break your back doing it.

Learn to ride and enjoy whatever waves come, rather than hoping for different ones while missing the things that pass you by that could enrich your life. Because believe me, women are people, but they're also only people, just like us. They don't hold the answer to your problems and it's unfair and a recipe for disaster to expect them to.

Secret_Worlder1992 · 2025-07-03T07:59:07+00:00

Bro, honest to God, you need to take a trip to Vegas. I swear I'm not being facetious here, it'll do wonders for you.

Incidentally, if you're wondering why this post isn't wasn't pulled for blackpill content, it's because the women who run this midden heap of a board encourage this line of thinking. The want you to quit and suffer quietly so you can get back to work and pay for their welfare, like the good little worker drone you are.

coiled-serpent · 2025-07-03T08:38:39+00:00

Man's obsession with women, and his desire to attract them, inspires him to take risks and accomplish great things. Even young boys feel this, when girls are present the boys start showing off. These desires are not only a catalyst for personal growth, they've helped the entirety of humanity progress.

If a significant portion of men gave up on women, it'd negatively impact our species. Not only would our birth rates decline, but I also think that advancement and achievement would slow as well (for the reasons I described above).

However, as-long as you don't also give-up on yourself, I don't think this is an issue. It might even help you if you've been obsessively focusing on your ability to attract women and it has had a negative effect on your self-esteem.

At the same time though, I think a significant portion of our motivating desires revolve around women. So it might not even be possible for the average man to "give up on women" without also stunting his own growth.

AnonPinkLady · 2025-07-03T07:42:41+00:00

why not just avoiding people in general who don't empathize with or click with you regardless of gender? Why does it have to be sexist?

berichorbeburied · 2025-07-03T08:48:06+00:00

Unless you are elderly. Out of shape. Or about give up on life completely. Giving up on women is a complete waste of time.

Either you actually want to be homosexual. You are on drugs or looking for emotional highs. Or you will be constantly looking to complete and start new goals. Or you will dedicate yourself to an impossible task.

Which is to say there is nothing in life that you can do that is actually “meaningful”. In the sense it will become a memory. In that sense that anything you can do can be done with or without you. In the sense that everything you discover could’ve been discovered before you or after you and could be forgotten before you or after you.

Life is more than the experience. But to say you are giving up on women lacks context. I assume you are still going to socialize? But if so with who? Men? But if you choose to socialize with women what is the actual point your making. That you don’t want sex? You’ll just masterbate? Masterbate to what? Women? Or what you won’t masterbate.

Being with women is a good experience. Is it worth everything that comes with it. If you find someone you are really sexually attracted to it is. If you can’t find that it’s not. If you want a low effort life. That’s your choice. But just admit you quit.

To live or go above your means is 99% for something or someone else. So either you are going to be homosexual or competitive or you are just running in circles.

But at the end of the day that is your choice. And I’m not stopping you from making that choice. Just telling you it’s a dumb choice that makes no sense. And actually all the stuff you said. You could do with a woman. While having sex with women. While pursuing women.

But sex or sexuality is temporary. One day I’ll hang it up and be done with women too. But I still have virility and life and masculinity and drive and etc in my veins and flowing through me. But the day I lose that is also the day I stop being productive and over achieving and etc etc

With all that being said you can actually change your situation. Will it be easy? No. Is it guarenteed? No. But there are steps you can make to improve. I made and am making steps every day. And some days I get closer and some days I fall away. But have you ever contemplated what actually giving up entails?

shourwe · 2025-07-03T09:01:32+00:00

It much better to hate women(just an example) and I feel I was horribly treated cause it says theres nothing wrong with me it was the other group who are wrong.

RequirementMinimum36 · 2025-07-03T09:11:21+00:00

Do you think about women a lot? Are you still quite interested in dating one? Sorry, a lot of questions: what sort of country are you in? Have you tried to get with many women? Do you have any hobbies that other women might share? I just don’t feel like you should give up! There’s so much out there – you won’t be forever alone.

I’m glad you’ve realised that “manosphere” content can be incredibly mentally damaging, and it’s good you’ve opted out of that. And I agree with other comments here, saying that dating shouldn’t be a priority and that you should prioritise your mental health. Being miserable is not fun at all. Focusing on yourself is always the most important, but afterwards you shouldn’t just decide to throw the idea of women under the bus if it’s still something that interests you! Take care

Title	Giving up on women is a very healthy choice (for real)
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Date	July 3, 2025 7:06 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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