Real Purple Pill Debate Cannot Exist Until the Mods Respect the Red Pill Position

sublimemongrel · 2018-01-18T21:13:20+00:00

Except nobody here on the “blue” side really debates using such extreme positions such as “kill all men” or “all sex is rape.” Moreover, the extreme positions RP takes are still made, just with less offensive language. Hence, post 1000000009 about how women are worthless except for vagina. The “blues” if you can call them that, who do take more extreme “anti male” positions similarly utilize language that’s extreme in theory but less so in execution.

goatismycopilot · 2018-01-18T21:52:15+00:00

I am confused about why GLO is so invested in what happens at PPD. Are things that bad at TRP? Have the hyenas all consumed one another? Why does GLO need the external validation at PPD? Why is there some weird requirement that anybody here gives a fuck about the purity of debate in order to distill red opinion? Why is GLO making a fairness argument. Has TRP completely lost frame?

TheChemist158 · 2018-01-18T21:10:15+00:00

Thus platitudes such as Kill all Men and All Sex Is Rape arnt seen as trolling or intention antagonism but just part and parcel of feminist discourse.

No, they aren't considered just part and parcel of feminist discourse. They are considered at best satire/hyperbole. More realistically they are considered crazy. They certainly aren't part of the blue pill ideas seen here on PPD.

Thus just as Kill all men is an acceptable part of feminist discourse Women Belong in the Kitchen is an acceptable part of the Red Pill discourse.

That's not a common stance of the reds on here. In fact, I don't think that is a common stance of reds anywhere.

Until the Mods allow the Red Pill to discuss the philosophy in it's purest form which is to say it's abrasive form,

And this isn't allowed now?

Now obviously allowing men to post things such as Women are Souless Vagina Machines whose only function is the production of sandwiches and babies is a tough proposition for the mod team.

I'm pretty sure the mods would allow such a post, as long as it is a serious post that doesn't insult individual and has some substance to it. It might be mocked relentlessly by the userbase, but I don't think the mods would take it down.

Edit: I found a thread saying that women who don't adhere to traditional female roles are only good for sex here. Clearly it wasn't removed by the mods despite being a pretty radical stance.

ProgrammaticallyEgg · 2018-01-18T21:55:43+00:00

Terps are allowed to say whatever they want... to their own detriment.

SlimLovin · 2018-01-18T21:16:52+00:00

Kill all Men and All Sex Is Rape

Where was this posted anywhere on PPD, except as an extremist example by RPs who think every feminist is a 14 year-old tumblr dipshit?

Women Belong in the Kitchen is an acceptable part of the Red Pill discourse.

We evaluated this position 60 years ago. We found it wanting.

However the Red Pill is an extreme ideology, no Blooper would dispute that claim.

I dispute the claim that it's an ideology at all. Ideologies are based in something.

Also, where do you see RP ideas being censored? You're free to post whatever misogynistic poop you'd like. If someone purple or blue or even red disagrees with that, is that censorship? Seems like Debate to me. What's that third letter in PPD stand for again?

MyPasswordisPutin · 2018-01-18T21:20:33+00:00

The premise of PPD is to have a lively intellectual debate between the Liberal Egalitarian Feminist Blues and the AntiLiberal Anti Egalitarian Reds.

Is that the idea of it tho? I thought it was for views anywhere along the continuum from one to another.

I don’t think your suggested solution will work however. Mainly because if we had a mod in the image of TRP mods there would be no debate. Debate isn’t allowed in TRP.

Princeso_Bubblegum · 2018-01-18T21:08:44+00:00

lol, this sub is already a fucking dumpster fire filled with red pillers, most blue pillers are red sympathetic, there are like fucking 5 or less hard line blue pillers here

your fucking deluded

Electra_Cute · 2018-01-18T22:06:44+00:00

Why is this garbage fire even up. If Red Pill users want respect for their position, maybe they should start actually being able to defend and articulate it.

Pope_Lucious · 2018-01-19T06:40:43+00:00

Red Pill here. The mods do a great job. You're just bitching to bitch.

justhanging92 · 2018-01-18T23:46:23+00:00

Abrasive feminist ideology Is not something I’ve seen here in ppd, the platitudes you sauce aren’t even seriously argued here or even take seriously among non feminists. Also, maybe you should convince other terps to come here then or make a good debate post without the abrasive language.

BiggerDthanYou · 2018-01-18T22:10:16+00:00

What have you been smoking?

The premise of PPD is to have a lively intellectual debate between the Liberal Egalitarian Feminist Blues and the AntiLiberal Anti Egalitarian Reds.

As we do.

Because the blue side has existed in various iterations since at least the 60's it is acknowledged as a side.

Well I'm still not convinced that the BP actually exists in the real world outside of the minds of a few very gullible, insanely easily trigger and borderline autistic guys who somehow have never seen anything on TV except for a few Disney movies.

Thus platitudes such as Kill all Men and All Sex Is Rape arnt seen as trolling or intention antagonism but just part and parcel of feminist discourse.

Which are both things that not a single TBPer here have ever said.

The Red Pill on the other hand is much newer. If we examine the etymology of the Red Pill, a Red Pill is any discourse that is universally unacceptable to the public. In other words when the Red Pill is not offensive it becomes mainstream and stops being the Red Pill by definition.

That's not the definition of the RP anyone is using. RP is as old as patriarchy itself. The idea that women are children, inferior to men and need to controlled its seriously not new in any way.

Thus just as Kill all men is an acceptable part of feminist discourse Women Belong in the Kitchen is an acceptable part of the Red Pill discourse.

I've been to countless feminist events and talks, have several feminist friends, some who are gender studies professors and yet I've never seen a single feminist say something along the lines of "kill all men" or "all sex is rape"

Are you sure that you aren't just applying TRPy logic ala "this one 12 year old chick on Tumblr said it therefore this is true for most feminists"?

Until the Mods allow the Red Pill to discuss the philosophy in it's purest form which is to say it's abrasive form, the Blue Pill will be unable to debate the real Red Pill and will instead waste it's time speaking to non representative watered down apologists.

But the mods do allow the red pill to be discussed. Unless of course you think that incels and the black pill are the actual red pill.

caesarfecit · 2018-01-18T21:24:45+00:00

I entirely disagree that RP isn't respected by the mods because they're not allowed to edgelord the shit out of the subreddit. That kind of crap is actually an impediment to good faith debate, the same way "kill all white men" Tumblr bullshit would be.

The issue I have with the mods is they'll rightfully nuke RP trollposts/comments and let blooper bullshit stay up. Or fish for pretexts to nuke RP stuff. That and a couple of the mods are in their own words blatantly biased against RP. It's a double standard. And the solution is not to entirely abandon standards and let the sub descend into flame wars and endless edgelording, but to make the standards as impartial, objective, and laissez-faire as possible.

Also, you're wrong OP that RedPill means "discourse that is unacceptable to society at large". RedPill refers to ideas and perspectives that society willfully ignores in order to maintain a BP psuedo-reality. There are plenty of topics and ideas society finds unacceptable with good reason. RP is (or ought to be) the set of ideas that lack these good reasons but are suppressed or ignored anyway because they contradict sacred cows.

passepar2t · 2018-01-18T22:30:40+00:00

However the Red Pill is an extreme ideology
extreme ideology
ideology

Just lol

[deleted] · 2018-01-19T11:58:49+00:00

Real rp stuff gets banned here

Dmva100 · 2018-01-20T01:02:55+00:00

Much like equality in the workplace can't be taken seriously until women start working in the sewers or garbage pickup, etc.

Until then? Hold all my calls and make sure my coffee is hot, lest I fire you and hire a younger, hotter secretary.

SilentLurker666 · 2018-01-19T01:46:40+00:00

The problem with PPD is that the redpill position is seen as "rude, in your face, unapologetic, nihilistic, and against all political correctness and tact." Furthermore there is no stronger or simpler way to express RP because at the end of the day, reality is also rude, unforgiving, and matter-of-fact. This is also the fact that why most RP are right leaning, while BP are left leaning, because the left often has massive delusion where human utopia could exist and their left leaning ideology are the key to achieving such utopia. In practice, the methodology in which their tried to implement their leftist ideology leads more toward dystonia; look no further then Lindsey Sheppard for the most recent example.

Unfortunately the rules of Reddit and this sub has to police the tone of the debate, plus the fact that the format of this sub doesn't follow any actual debate format, means that opponents of RP can tone-police RP all day. You can't really win an argument when your opponents uses emotional fallacies and feelings as bases of their arguments.

For example, there should be no argument here where female would want a stronger, better looking, and wealthier mate. Yet BP would suggest that it's inhuman that fat ugly old women are given less attention over their younger counterparts, and at the same time suggest that "emotional attachment" matters... except ofcourse if you are a broke, fat, ugly male, you didn't even have any change to develop any "emotional attachment" to any female to begin with. Pointing that fact out and BP would say you are an ugly women hating incel who are low quality and therefore you failed as a human being (but somehow those ugly, fat women still deserves love) that resort to using RP to try to get women. Truly ad hominen at its finest.

If you want an honest, formal debate between RP and BP, I'll suggest r/FeMRADebates/. Warning thou, the sub is pretty much a deadzone because BP/feminist has no defense left when they are held accountable to have a logical position in their argument, and are held accountable by actions by their mainstream BP peers.

wracky272 · 2018-01-19T01:49:06+00:00

Average Liberal Egalitarian Feminists would probably consider TRP to be so heinous so as to not even warrant debate or discussion. Easier to lump them in with the nazis and call it a day.

My point is the bloops hanging out in here aren't your average bloops and are probably more open to Red ideas than the general public.

Half the shit we talk about here would send your average libfem into rage mode "fuck you for even suggesting that have a nice day"-ism.

Eastuss · 2018-01-19T10:22:57+00:00

TRP is the neutral amoral truth. It doesn't care if it's abrasive or unpopular, it doesn't care if its concepts come from feminism communities, it only cares about being right.

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rreliable · 2018-01-18T21:58:35+00:00

But the mods do respect your position!

Like, not sarcasm and stuff

L0git3x · 2018-01-19T19:20:05+00:00

put me back on the PPD staff.. Ive had a good two year break..

You would be amazed at the amount of talk that goes on in the moderator section. By in large. PPD has the most active mod team of any reddit I moderate.

I think from what I saw they had to deal harshly with the black pill and incel shit from a few months back.

Personally I dont see much censorship here.

GayLubeOil · 2018-01-20T20:25:06+00:00

The words liberal and anti liberal do not really enter this discussion. Liberalism has a definition and neither side's position really talks about it explicitly.

Today's left is largely illiberal, as they do not believe in and promote liberal values. They are largely totalitarian collectivists who define people based on group membership and require you to accept their entire platform. That is not liberal.

jackandjill22 · 2018-01-26T22:44:45+00:00

Agreed & that's why I don't post here.

Whisper · 2018-01-21T02:42:19+00:00

Who cares if it can exist or not?

The Red Pill is useless to anyone who doesn't use it, and debating with those who don't is only useful as entertainment.

Title	Real Purple Pill Debate Cannot Exist Until the Mods Respect the Red Pill Position
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