Women do like powerful men, but not in the way TRP thinks they do.

Xemnas81 · 2016-02-05T02:19:02+00:00

Isn't this exactly what I was getting at?

Women want attractive prestigious successful men who lack inhibitions or neediness, are freely emotionally expressive and totally desire them.

Right now, you're saying "I want to feel and be seen as equal to a super hot guy because it makes me feel special." Thing is: what do you bring to the table? This is something women constantly demand men to answer, but rarely condescend to answer themselves.

[deleted] · 2016-02-05T02:01:54+00:00

What are your thoughts on this?

That it's nothing different than what TRP talks about, it's just presented in more polite language.

wattwatty · 2016-02-05T05:16:29+00:00

I want to be equal to the strong, confident, sexy guy I'm with, because it makes me feel special.

This sentence is one of the most Red Pill things I have ever read on this sub.

joseremarque · 2016-02-05T01:38:30+00:00

Wants man to be superior but not to rub her nose in it. Got it.

GoldPisseR · 2016-02-05T03:12:24+00:00

You want a guy to be confident (alpha trait), professional (career driven/has money), a "go getter" (high up in his field/more money), doesn't have people standing in his way (alpha trait), breaks the rules (bad boy).

But if he realised that those traits he has are part of red pill theory, then he's a depressed, hateful guy, who never gets female attention.

What, exactly, are you planning on bringing to the table for this "perfect man" besides your vagina?

[deleted] · 2016-02-05T03:36:28+00:00

I agree with you, TRP is right.

redmachines · 2016-02-05T03:11:51+00:00

Women want to be inferior when it benefits them such as a relationship. If she wasn't inferior to her man, then that means she has to take responsibility which is a no no in her princess fairy tale world.

ppdthrowawai · 2016-02-05T03:14:13+00:00

None of this is really news and I think people just like to make these caricatures of who they think TRP is. OP reminds me of this one dude I know who was the biggest asshole in college but always had his little fan club of admirers that followed him around. They couldn't get enough of him. He was successful, smart, funny, and a giant douche to people all the time, just not to these girls. As long as he wasn't mean to them they would oggle over his assholery all day long. It was/still is hilarious to watch.

bromance946 · 2016-02-05T04:23:40+00:00

A person who lacks the confidence to state what they want with conviction silently self-denigrates to the point of handicap. A person who states what they want, but takes no action to get it, lacks motivation and has only a silver tongue that they don't truly know how to use. A person who neurotically obeys rules will inevitably create new ones to obey by failing to recognize the freedom permitted by the very rules they follow.

That all makes sense, and is fairly in line with what men are taught to expect women to find attractive.

Now let's phrase it another way.

A person with the confidence, motivation, and cognitive flexibility to admit, pursue, and achieve what they want has a name: provider. And a provider's purpose is to care for somebody who can not provide for their own needs, due perhaps to (maybe) a physical condition that renders a wide variety of tasks more difficult. Such as, say, pregnancy or nursing a small infant.

Seems to me that you're saying the exact same thing TRP says, but in words that sound more flattering to women. You seem to want us to believe it's not that you have an unconscious drive to seek the provider-mate for survival and procreation; it's that you want a partner free of self-doubt, lethargy, and moral blindness. Okay. Let's test that.

So, are you perfectly confident? If so, then why do you need a partner who will validate you (make you feel special)? Are you perfectly self-actualized? If so, then why do you not value partners who are simply better company (instead, "go-getters")? Do you possess perfect moral clarity? If so, then why are you not a prophet, politician, or renowned philosopher?

It looks like you then desire traits in a partner that you do not possess, yet you do not want to be considered "inferior". In that case, it would be best for you to identify which strengths you have to offer in exchange. Accept that to have equal agency and worth in a partnership, it is better for you to be both inferior and superior in different ways such that your strengths are complementary with your mate's. If you are good at exactly and only the same things that I am good at, then why do I need you?

I can spot right now that your relationships run into difficulty when you begin to compete with your partner. Instead of making it a competition, make it a collaboration. Either you both win, or you both lose. When that really sinks in, you won't see TRP as losers anymore. They leave themselves open to a lot of criticism, but OP, you've only just strengthened their core philosophies.

By the way, you are special. If you need a man to help you know that then you're headed toward codependency. Be careful, lady. That ain't nothin' to play with.

batterycrayon · 2016-02-05T06:24:38+00:00

Like you, I'm a woman who hasn't delved /too/ deep into trp. My understanding/interpretation of it is that it boils down to mutual respect, and a different understanding of how respect relates to inequality.

I'm in a relationship that I'm pretty sure qualifies as red pill. I am grateful for my husband and his contributions to our life and marriage. We do not split work 50/50 or have an egalitarian/feminist marriage, and yet I do not feel /degraded/ or something by this inequality. Rather, because he respects me and the ways I contribute to our life and relationship, I feel relaxed and free. The inequality isn't diminishing! It instead allows us each even greater appreciation for each other, and a better lifestyle, because by specializing in the ways we contribute, we can be more efficient and have greater output.

We both value each other and put in effort to ensure that we ourselves offer value.

I think a lot of the hatred that comes up is a reaction to a lack of respect that some men experience from some women. When you aren't able to access a framework of mutual respect (a form of "fairness" even though it is gendered and unequal in the feminist sense) it makes sense to find a strategy to avoid what, to them, is an experience of exploitation and degradation, just as feminist women feel they have experienced exploitation and degradation at the hands of some men.

I don't know if this is a correct analysis, but that's how I've always seen it.

SteelChicken · 2016-02-05T13:48:35+00:00

This is a great example of hamstering. You want men who are more powerful than you (hypergamy), but you want to be treated equal, even though you aren't equal to that man who gives you the tingles.

Women can be the equal of men and sometimes even more powerful, but women are only attracted to men more powerful than them - but still wanted to be treated equally.

Hypergamy hamster in full effect.

gasparddelanuit · 2016-02-05T04:09:35+00:00

Ok, so i'm a little new to this whole pills debate, and have been reading up on some of the posts in the red pill, and here. TRP sounds like a bunch of hateful, depressed, guys who never got that many girls and are trying to find a way to deal with it. However, they have a small inkling of correct thinking, most women, and most definitely myself, like powerful men.

Yet, this does not mean we want to be treated inferior to men in anyway. For myself, I like men who exude some sort of confidence, strength or power in an arena of life. It doesn't even have to be physical strength, a man could be confident and a go getter in his profession, or just simply have an attitude that no one will ever stand in his way of what he wants. He isn't afraid to break the rules and get what he wants. That is hot.

The part TRP has wrong is that, in my eyes, it's a failure to be seen as inferior by the man we are attracted to. It means he doesn't find me special or wants to choose me. Where's the good feeling in that? I want to be equal to the strong, confident, sexy guy I'm with, because it makes me feel special.

What are your thoughts on this? Sorry for rambling :p

What you say you and most women are attracted to is basically consistent with what TRP says.

ageekyninja · 2016-02-05T02:17:28+00:00

That women want to be treated as inferior is very questionable. That many women are willing to tolerate as being treated as inferior by attractive &/or rich men is undeniable.

This whole "treat em mean, keep em keen" strategy works because its attractive guys doing it. Women don't tolerate that behavior from an average Joe. A 7/10 woman will put with a lot of crap from a guy who is a 9/10, or a guy providing a lavish lifestyle.

They like feeling special. Being with a guy who is their equal or needy doesnt make them feel special. They want the guy that other women want. Numerous women have told me that a guy who's with an attractive girl, looks more attractive to them.

ThirdEyeSqueegeed · 2016-02-05T09:43:23+00:00

None of what you've said is new to TRP. The thing is, most men know how to treat women equally, since they're pretty well taught that their whole lives. The thing most men don't know is how to gain power. No one tells men how to gain power and go after what they want, not even their parents in most cases.

This brainwashing damages most men's chances of being that kind of powerful man you're attracted to from the start. TRP is really just about deprogramming your mind, or unplugging from the matrix. It's a long hard self reflective process which causes a lot of anger in some people, but it's a necessary thing, I believe.

[deleted] · 2016-02-05T15:37:34+00:00

The part TRP has wrong is that, in my eyes, it's a failure to be seen as inferior by the man we are attracted to. It means he doesn't find me special or wants to choose me. Where's the good feeling in that? I want to be equal to the strong, confident, sexy guy I'm with, because it makes me feel special.

My wife is VERY special to me, that doesn't mean she is my equal in all ways. She is by far the most special woman in the world to me, because she's the only one I let into my life. I suppose its her choice if that makes her feel special enough.

I guess its a matter of perspective.

LancerKagato · 2016-02-05T15:53:31+00:00

soooo....biology. traits that women look for in a man are on average the same. Men on average look for the same traits as each other in women. Since your question applies to women looking for powerful men I will start here. Powerful men have traits preferred both short term and long term mating for women. Confidence and strength, specifically physical strength display good physical gene's. confidence and letting "no one stand in his way from getting what he wants" are good mental gene's. Good gene's are preferable for reproduction, women want a solid set of gene's to help ensure their offsprings survival. No lets look at the long term mating of the woman. Here you have your "go getter in his profession!" as well as again no one standing in his way. This denotes strong provider traits as well. Since the woman wants to ensure her and her offsprings survival(before offspring can survive on his own) these traits are preferable. This is why women who make fuck tons of money still want someone higher value than them. Society(software) don't change the biology(hardware). Now as for your last point with TRP being wrong, well men and women look at things completely different what a man calls inferior may not be viewed the same by a woman.

99_Problem · 2016-02-05T18:03:10+00:00

Women are attracted to powerful, high-status men. Women are attracted to displays of power and status. Of these powerful, high-status men to whom a particular woman may be attracted, she doesn't want to feel inferior. She desires to be included as part of his in-group.

However, as day-to-day modus operandi, single guys are better-served to believe that there is nothing special about women in general nor any women in particular, other than those he is directly related to.

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whydoievenreply · 2016-02-05T12:26:56+00:00

I can't think of a more perfect response:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oyrG3PcgLk

Lonny_zone · 2016-02-05T14:40:52+00:00

No one in TRP says that "being superior" and "treating women like inferiors" should go together.

If you are superior you don't have to treat women like they are inferior to get your point across. In fact, doing so will make you look weak.

Basically, you agree with The Red Pill.

DivinePrince2 · 2016-02-06T05:55:50+00:00

I want guy that can defeat a dragon!

Squibbles01 · 2016-02-07T18:46:30+00:00

I don't think you're saying literally anything new here.

JumboDumboh · 2016-02-05T02:24:21+00:00

what she is saying is not alpha fux beta bux. She is saying she wants a man that knows what he wants and persues it. She wants a guy that presents a narrative that expresses his desire. That's what it boils down to. If a guy does not present a narrative where he expresses his desire then there is no position for the woman in that narrative to become the object of desire. Even if the guy is a complete jerk the woman will fantasize about herself in that position of the object of that jerks desire now that fantasy may be something she completely rejects but the narrative exists for her to see herself in that position.

Title	Women do like powerful men, but not in the way TRP thinks they do.
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Date	February 5, 2016 1:36 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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