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Every so often, there's a post about how TheRedPill has some great stuff about confidence and self-improvement, but it's all going to kill you on the inside. The most recent one came up earlier and so I thought I'd respond.
Feel free to ask questions or discuss below, there's lot of smart people here to help you.
The OP, with his post at the top: http://archive.is/ctopL
My reply:
I thought I'd challenge some of your points, I have some time waiting for my flight.
I'd preface this with a statement that TheRedPill, which has come out of the PUA community, is 100% a male focused strategy. It's interested in attaining the most utility for men, so it doesn't matter when people complain about it's "tone" towards women, because it's tone doesn't matter: TRP is not about what's best for women.
Secondly, I'll inb4 anyone tries to reject my arguments by saying something like, "You just sound like an angry virgin." (As if being a virgin, as a guy, is a bad thing.)
Why is it weird/wrong that we enjoy a prolonged adolescence where sex is fun and the points don't matter?
Because the points do matter. Studies have shown that having multiple prior sexual partners dramatically increases your odds of being unhappy in your marriage, which leads to divorce.
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Another with more weight, since I don't like that one so much.
No one wants to date a man that whores himself around to feel less empty inside anymore than they want to date a woman who does the same.
I disagree. In my experience, when I'm in a bar and I come with 2 girl friends, picking up is much easier. Women like to see that other women want you.
A man who "whores himself around" has strong social skills, high emotional intelligence and a life that is attractive to the women around him. Good luck being a sexually active man if you're overweight, have no ambitions or confidence and can't talk to girls.
A women who does the same is a slut because this takes 0 effort. I've seen fat, ugly girls who have abrasive personalities going home with guys because the guy is thirsty.
Now, for a women to get a relationship from a wealthy and attractive man who is on his game, she must have good social skills, an interesting life and be charming enough to entice him.
A lock that is opened by any key is a shitty lock, a key that opens any lock is a master key.
Mind you, if she fucks you, she's a whore.
You're falling into the logical fallacy of oversimplification. I don't want to get into the pages that have been written about what you just tried to describe in four lines.
The fact is that women today bring little to the table. (Men are in many cases just as bad, hence TRP's preaching about self-improvement.)
Women and men trade sex for resources, at a basic biological level. Biology creates culture, which then creates ideology. More on this here if you don't understand.
If I meet a girl, kinda drunk, grinding on the dance floor, I can safely assume that she's not a virgin. From there, I can read the rest of her through our interactions until I have a general idea of what I'm willing to pay (in terms of commitment) for having sex with her.
If she takes a shitty deal and doesn't get ANY commitment out of me, that's very unattractive because she's probably slept with a TON of men before me. Men generally choose charming, happy, youthful girls, rather than jaded, abrasive and older (in spirit or in body) girls. If you've been with 50+ guys and been unable to extract any level of long-term commitment from them, that's really going to fuck with your head. More on the "1000 cock stare" here. And in that case, why would I want to commit to you? Why buy the cow, if you get the milk for free?
On the flip side, if a girl who doesn't bring anything to the table (isn't charming, isn't fun to be around, constantly challenges you, can't care for you on some level, etc.) then she can't ask much from me. I'm not going to wait 3 months to have sex with you because it's not worth the effort. Your friends will have sex with me, and they're just as vapid and boring as you.
For example, this girl gets pumped and dumped by a hot guy she's excited about and then gets mad about it. She is now telling her audience that waiting is the right idea. Sorry honey, but if you're not going to compete for men on price, you have to compete in other ways.
To sum it up, if I overpay (I take you out for 3 months when the last 7 guys fucked you on the first night) then I'm a chump. If you undercharge (You sleep with me 2 hours after meeting me) then you're a whore.
If you want to have a long-term relationship, then find a women who brings serious value and isn't a whore.
and not judge the women who do the same. [have casual sex]
Because men and women are different. Men are the keepers of commitment. (He decides when the relationship starts, he asks you out.) And women are the keepers of sex. (She decides when she consents to having sex, anything else is rape.)
A man who gives away his commitment easily is a man who falls in love with every girl who gives him attention. He's needy and desperate and it's pathetic to women (and everyone). Just the same, a women who gives her sexuality away easily is not worthy of commitment. These girls been sluts since the dawn of time, it's only now we're trying to change the definition.
The only people who insist you do [accept their ideology], reject you if you don't, are cults.
Obviously, this is not the case. Go to TRP right now and take a look into the threads. It's basically a giant debate. TRP advises against marriage, yet has a meta tag for, and often discusses, the problems facing men who are already in marriages.
They often debate the merits of marriage as "life on hard mode", and the benefits of bringing children into this world who you can mold into powerful men and supportive women.
To say there is no discussion in TRP is disingenuous.
That's a problem we MUST address.
So who is going to do it? Who is addressing these problems you claim are real for men? Are you?
Are you starting a community that offers advice and help for young men who are completely lost?
No.
You're just a critic that wants to silence something that makes you uncomfortable, while offering no alternatives. Meanwhile, feminism continues it's march to destroy masculinity.
Every so often, there is a post or comment on Reddit about how TRP "seems not to work and [can] be really damaging". It gets a zillion comments and gets on on the front page. It says, "TRP has some really great things to say, but in the end it's really bad for you. I wish they'd tone it down a bit."
But then the subscribers jump significantly in the weeks afterwards because it's not "much to do about nothing".
On that note, I'd like to welcome anyone reading this to go check out TheRedPill. Form your own opinions. Just a tip: before you start posting, I'd get a cup of coffee and start going through ALL of the sidebar. A lot of effort has been put into curating it.
Attention new readers!
A guided tour of the sidebar made just for newbies like you.
A quick rebuttal of some of the arguments made against this community.
For those wondering what the hell is going on, a CMV thread mentioned us and then it got bestof'd.
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A few quick acrnoyms/terms:
AWALT and NAWALT - All Women Are Like That/Not All women Are Like That
AF/BB - Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks (sometimes shortenede to alpha fux beta bux) basically short for the idea that women want alpha genes, they want to fuck/date alphas, but when it's time for stability (i.e. marriage) they find some poor wimpy beta and make him into their provider. Typically the beta doesn't get half the desire, sex, or fun that the alphas got out of the women. Women tell these betas that they have "won" somehow.
TRP - the red pill
her number - generally, the number of guys she has slept with
Alpha - strong, confident, dominant. I don't presume to speak for everyone's concept of alpha but these traits are commonly mentioned.
Beta - supplicating, pathetic, validation-seeking. Again, these are probably the most common traits I see associated with being beta.
LTR - long term relationship
ONS - one night stand
PUA - pickup artist (generally, refers to the community of pickup artists)
Any ones I'm forgetting?
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Ah, I knew I was forgetting one. SMV - sexual market value. The concept comes from the book The Rational Male.
Social or Sexual Market Value - Basically how highly people rate you as a person.
Since you are newbie... meaning of AWALT isnt, that literally every women is like that, but "all women are capable of that" and lot of them will/would do that in some situation.
It is all women are "like" that. Not all women are EXACTLY like that.
All women have a tendency to cheat, especially if you are not providing leadership. It doesn't mean all women cheat...but all women are "like" that. This is a very useful shorthand that Blue Pill distorts into something that was never intended.
English isnt my first language and little nuances are easy to miss for me sometimes, so i reckon you are right.
Could you pinpoint where i made mistake? I still see what i wrote as same who you wrote, just different words..
RMV is sometimes used as relationship market value, similar to SMV
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This here is misinformation and should be downvoted. In no way are beta qualities good. Not even for raising families gtfo.
You may have incorrectly defined beta qualities. Provider qualities are considered beta, yet if you don't supply those qualities in a family relationship your woman will look for someone who can. Remember women have a dualistic mating strategy, alpha dna with beta security. Too little of either and you will have her looking for plan B.
HB -- Hot Babe, generally followed by a numerical value up to 10.
E.g. I fucked the dog-shit out of that HB10 last night bro.
Didn't see your comment until I scrolled down. Repeated this :(
Omega - bottom of the social hierarchy, offers nothing of value to the world.
I had a hard time figuring out this acronym when I was a newbie here
HB(n) - Hot Babe(n) - The universal scale of rating girls ranging from 1 to 10. HB10 being the most beautiful and the HB1 being the least.
If you're planning to post and stick around for a while, you should make a RP-only account. Redditors tend to peek into your history and call you names if you don't agree with their beliefs, and some subreddits auto-ban people who post here.
Not really. I found that it's best to google the acronym with "red pill" or "trp" appended and the correct definition will come up.
Another tip, as you're reading the sidebar (which does explain all the ridiculous acronyms we have, I believe) look through TRP and sort by 'best - all time'
should give you some really good reading for the next couple of days.
Just look at the sidebar: Glossary of Terms and Acronyms, under The Rules & Glossary.
This is the best managed subreddit of all time.
The biggest objection that the BP folks have to this place--and the one they'll never admit--is the fact that it's a male space designed to cater to male tastes and needs only
In a society that increasingly bends over to accommodate and acquiesce to female needs--having a male-oriented space that puts men first, second and every number of consequence is sacrosanct.
TRP is railed as being misogynistic because in this world of ours, all it takes to be labeled as such is to simply not be concerned with women's issues and agendas.
We exist in a time of "with me or against me" and the fact that we calmly state "no, for me, first" is taken as a direct assault on the increasingly messed up view and modus operandi of this society.
The most ironic thing about all this shit is that if men do follow our advice what are they doing that's so horrible? Focusing on self-improvement (lifting, career, etc), developing REAL confidence (not scripted PUA shit) and naturally passing shit tests (their women are happy that they have a strong mate).
How the hell is that misogynistic? That women can't use men as much as before?
The girls I'm fucking sure seem to enjoy having a man who doesn't bend to her every whim, is capable, and puts himself first. It's refreshing to most girls I meet that I don't kiss her ass, and the result is they're attracted to me.
There are girls who demand to be the prize, want to have every wish fulfilled by me, and ya know what? They don't get a fucking thing from me. Not even a fuck, not attention, and zero validation. They cease to exist. What have they done for me? Nothing. Why should I do anything at all for them?
That's not misogyny, that's reality.
Absolutely.
I was having a conversation with a plate last night about this (she was volunteering the information). She loves how I fuck her and fuck her well. That I take charge and don't ask for permission. She then went off about a previous bad date where the guy was a complete pussy. He asked for permission to hold her fucking hand! Feminists would call that guy a "nice guy" that they want all men to be.
Feminism is just one giant shit-test to screen out the betas from the alphas.
Feminists would call him a "nice guy", but they sure as fuck aren't going to suck his dick. "WE'RE NOT MACHINES THAT YOU PUT NICE GUY COINS IN TO THE DISPENSE SEX FROM!"
I had a plate who 'trained' me to politely ask her for sexual favors. Once I was 'trained' she had no respect for me, acted like I was a complete asshole, made up some reasons and left.
Sounds like she had a plate. Lesson learned.
When you are used to special privileges, equal treatment feels like oppression.
If anything it's misogynistic to encourage men to be blue pill wimps and cowards. When a man sets liberal standards for what he expects (i.e.: "the bar") it's going to sink as low as it can.
Look around at society today.. We have these narcissistic obese women wearing clothing that is designed for healthy fit women such as bikinis shirts that expose midriff, booty shorts etc.. These obese women DEMAND that we view them as "healthy" "beautiful" etc when they look like they need severe help with their dietary patterns.
The loser "last man" royal class (most of the republican candidates of the race) whining about losing to big bad Donald Trump.
And the general cucking of working/middle class America. Brainwashing peoples' minds with cable TV, music that turns kids depressed so they start sucking big pharm's tit and creates a generation of useless men. Scared men, sad men, men who generally submit with little to no fight. It's like we're being bred to be more docile.. Like dogs.
The quoted top response lets on to this fact with:
See that guys? Masculine ideologies are a problem we "must" address. Fuck off; masculine thoughts/actions are being treated as social disorders in schools and by mothers. If anything men need more masculine outlets not fewer.
"That's a problem we MUST address."
Translation: "We must figure out out to separate the red pill fakers from the real alphas."
What they don't understand is that by learning red pill thinking, a man becomes an alpha. Or even worse, they do and can't stand the fact that a beta can become an alpha, and we can't have that now can we?
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Or held accountable for their actions.
That's exactly what it is. We live in an era where denial of female supremacy is misogyny.
This is the place where we have the audacity to consider our own needs before those of others.
I don't know if it's that bad, but it's certainly on the way there. I would say we are at the point of anything considering a man's point of view is considered misogyny. I think men are awakening though, too many husbands and boyfriends getting dumped. They are going to reap what they sow, and the ironic thing about it is that in the end they will be happier, because once the pendulum swings back there will be more masculine men.
This upsets the solipsistic worldview of the weak minded. If a space exists that "they don't feel comfortable in"(meaning doesn't cater to them) than that space's existence implies an objective universe that isn't about them. Like a child, they are upset with new outside information, because that proves that they aren't omnipotent and perfect. Growth is pain and the weak fear it.
I was in a fraternity in college and a major purpose of that organization is to teach dopey college nerds how to be more alpha. Fast-forward twenty years and they voted to allow women to join. RIP that safe place for men to be men and what a shame on us that we let it fail.
If you are unaware a written down goal of feminism is to eliminate all male-only spaces.
Doesn't TRP state we should pick out the information we find useful and dismiss any that we don't?
Yeah at that point it's hard not to look at it as a propaganda piece. It's almost as if they made the changemyview post just to reply to it and then get it to the front using bestof, a forum so biased against trp that they literally ban you if you have trp in your post history.
The real question is where do we go now that reddit has been dead for years
I've seen it said before but, maybe trp is done? Maybe we've said all that there is to be said about the issue. This sub has had quality content pouring in for years. Maybe we should pack our bags and archive everything.
I thought that was the most bizarre objection. Nobody is married to TRP concepts. We do what works and if it works, then it WILL become a TRP concept. You literally have to adjust them on the fly in a marriage or LTR so this claim is a complete misunderstanding of what we are doing.
That's garbage. If the ideas are fundamentally sound then the entirety of their conclusions will be sound.
You might only take action based on some of them but either it's a mess of uncertainty or the whole thing is solid.
The entire difficulty in creating something solid is that one bad idea can ruin it.
Truth has a way of showing itself because if it's true nothing can knock it down.
On the TRP hates sluts thing.
When looking to hook up I only care about looks and a halfway decent personality. If they are cool and look good I fucking love sluts. When hooking up a girl playing hard to get runs the risk of me not finding the juice worth the squeeze.
If Id ever want to get into an LTR and commit to a monogamous relationship I'll screen for other qualities like partner count, basic life skills, being pleasant to be around for longer than one night etc. In this case her playing at least somewhat hard to get is a positive.
So no TRP doesnt collectively hate sluts. It does advice men to not wife up a whore.
From the OP linked comment
yes. all women are whores in the right circumstances. This blows the betas mind. The "Disney" version of a pure princess waiting for them is what they cling to in order to have hope for the future
"well, you idiot, isn't that the same for men too?" yes it is, idiot. But nobody pretends men are these pure and chaste angels. "Men are dogs, men are pigs, etc" Everyone already knows this. But betas/women pretend like it doesn't apply to women. And as other people have said ITT, they aren't the same thing. A woman offering easy sex, a slut, is the same as a guy offering easy commitment and adoration, a beta orbiter. A guy will only keep the slut (as the woman will only keep the beta) as long as it suits them, but they don't care about or want the person around them really.
Women will be the filthiest sluts given the right circumstances. That cute girl you saw reading in the corner of starbucks will beg to be gangbanged when she's turned on properly.
But that's not what kills the beta the most. They can maybe accept that ok, women in the "RIGHT" circumstances might be sluts. Fine. What they can't handle is the reality that the girl they tried to date, or are dating/married to, and the sex she holds on to so tightly now as your little reward was once shoved with both hands at a Chad who put in 0 effort. She let him do things to her that the beta can only dream of, or at this point, have nightmares of. And she will do the same again one day.
When a beta has to confront these realities, it will either drive him further into permanent delusions and essentially turn him in to a willing or unwilling cuck, it will shatter his reality and he will have to learn the true nature of human relationships from somewhere like TRP, or will give up and become a foreveralone loser.
I think what blew my mind most of all was just how badly I was lied to over the years, by people who knew better. I mean I always knew that girls could be sluts, and some girls fucked assholes. But I didn't realize that it was basic human sexual dynamics 101. Why would I, everyone close to me kept trying to teach me that a square peg fits in a round hole. When I finally unplugged, it was like living in an upside down world, and all my critical thinking became questionable. What else was I wrong about? Then you've got the whole everyone you know is trying to slap you back down to doormat status, it's a rough fucking road to unplug. But I wouldn't have it any other way. It's a very hard reality to accept.
I have a friend who just recently got dumped by a notorious slut he tried to date. Dude is completely dejected. She didn't even give him a reason, only that "she wanted to be single for the summer". He actually, 100% honestly didn't know what she meant by that. This kid said he spent 500 dollars on their 2 month relationship, and that she treated him like shit. This notorious whore, whom he invested 500 bucks in as well as his emotions didn't even fuck him. Not once. But she'll fuck random guys without thinking twice, and clearly dumped him to do so.
I feel so fucking bad for him. He's about as blue pilled as you can possibly be, and was totally shocked when this fucking whore used him as an emotional tampon and tossed him out in the garbage. Men need shit like TRP, to prevent them emotional turmoil and to make them happier in their lives.
'Relationships are restaurants, not banks.'
Find the submission in this sub with that title and it should kill the idea that relationships are things you invest in.
Can't have sex with her personality.
Not directly, no. But I have noticed that sex is always better with women with whom I have had a somewhat vibrant interaction beforehand. Some women are totally dtf and good looking but have zero social skills/personality. The sex with them has always sucked in my experience.
Yeah, I have a hard time understand those on TRP who would basically fuck any girl. I feel so disgusted if I fuck a girl with no personality or if they're dumb as hell. I actually feel like they don't deserve my dick. Even worse if they are a bigot.
True, but as Marsupian said, in the quest for an LTR, that is a mighty fine bullet point. There's some bible verse on how its better to live on the corner of your roof than with an annoying harpy.
Proverbs 21:9?
Yes, thank you.
That verse should be in the corner of our hearts.
I had a few that were just annoying to talk to. Wasnt worth the sex. Obviously when they are really hot Ill let my dick do the talking and make sure to put something in their mouth if they get annoying.
I cant and dont want to have sex with her personality. But shitty personality or low intelligence is such turn off for me, that unless she would immedietely drop on her knees upon meeteing, i loose interest.
That means never marry unless go you high-risk and try Marriage 1.0 which also not advisable.
You're comparing apples and oranges. Male equivalent of a slut (sex with any man) is a a dude who gives commitment to any girl immediately after meeting her.
Yup. The male equivalent of a slut is a beta faggot in the friend-zone.
That was me for so long and I am sick to my stomach. I used to let a girl stay at my place in my bed on weekends cause I live downtown.
The glory of being man is that every time we start over with a new woman we have our chance to be alpha in her eyes. Women, however, cannot be virgins every time they start over with a new man. Lol
don't beat yourself up, most of us when through those times main fact though is that you're here, and the most important thing i've learned is self acceptance and realization, it's not an easy process but realizing that you're enough and you don't need another person or thing to feel complete gets you so far in life and also with women, that's what i'm working on imbedding that into my subconscious consciously. i love this quote by tits_outforboys "Game is your charisma, your social intelligence, and your proficiency in the art of seduction. It's the deeply-ingrained belief that you are confident and self-sufficient, which manifests itself in the form of outcome independence. It's an acquired knowledge, a Mastery of how to deal with people. "Game is the ability to be effortlessly likable to others, and the fact that it's effortless will paradoxically make people like you even more. But make no mistake: Reaching this level of effortless Mastery is only possible if you've already invested a large amount of time & effort into apprenticing yourself in Game."
I'm a naturally charismatic person. I was always like that even as early as 2nd grade. People loved me and I loved myself. Then, for a variety of reasons, that confidence faded in early HS. My self esteem evaporated. Suddenly I was not only not charismatic but a shy and socially anxious kid. I hid the anxiety well though and people continued to like me but everything I said and everything I did was second guessed by myself. I fell into depression, felt like shit and hated myself.
Then, I discovered this sub. Suddenly, I wasn't so alone anymore. I wasn't directionless. I had a direction, and that direction was trending upwards. I started working out, and lifting more often and my confidence grew. I felt a motivation I had only ever felt when I was pushed by the idea of failing and looking stupid, except this time it came from within. It didn't come from others. The change in myself has been nothing short of incredible. I take control like I did for so many years. I dominate the conversation. I'm outcome independent. I know that what I say will be recieved well because I'm a fucking awesome kid and my opinion matters. My charisma is returning, and I feel the best I've felt in years. My life as a depressed beta is coming to a close. I'm going back to where I was and where I deserve to be: at the top of the food chain. This is in 2 fucking months of this sub. 2. Fucking months. I can't wait to see where I'll be in 2 years.
You simply cannot be charismatic if you don't love yourself. You can't be funny if you second guess everything you say. People won't love you if you don't love yourself. Let me repeat that, people won't love you if you don't love yourself.
preach it brother! nothing but the truth.
this is so true, i find when you accept yourself it's easier to have fun and people honestly love you for it, for the past week i finally found out what it means to " accept " yourself and man.. it's like i made a complete 180* turn on my life, for years you worry about " what will they think if i do this, or act this certain way " it's a stifling and painful process of selfdoubt you're worried with what others think, i'm not anywhere close to being where i want to be but it's a major change and as you said i can't wait to see myself in 2 years time, we gonna dominate the world bro :D
Don't hate yourself for previous mental illness. Recognize the symptoms, and keep yourself fit.
That is actually true inverse of a slut in terms of sexual status with the other gender.
I've had an online date girl who've I met for the first time upset that my profile was still active... like, during the date. She stopped talking to me because right after the date it was still up...
... and that's why we don't pay for dates
Yup! Coffee at most!
This weekend a group of girls asked me to sit with them at IHOP after I came in and walked past them, saying hi to the hot chick. One or two of them were hot, the other was fat.
Anyhow, when the check came, they let it sit there a bit - I guess waiting for me to take it? The fat one even tried to mention I should pay for it in a jokingly manner. I laughed and put in a bit of sarcasm. They all paid for themselves. :) I still got the number of the hot chick.
for two games of pool and two drinks I got a 3 hole tour. I guess I'm just not chad enough to have her pay for me.
I was surprised when I started dating in my late 30s there were women who did this. It was a slim minority of women, but it made me laugh every time.
A woman demanding men make a commitment before meeting for the first time is like a man demanding sex before going out for coffee.
Neither one can be taken seriously.
This was a shit test, and you did not pass go, and did not collect additional 'N'.
Why do you assume he failed? Failure would involve placating her by apologizing and deleting the profile or something. If it actually was a shit test, he'd pass by ignoring her or calling her out on being a nutjob. But doesn't sound like a shit test to me...just another crazy
Crazies deliver the harshest shit tests.
Correct answer would have been : * smirk on face * Guilty as Charged
Field Tested.
Betas never understand this point; or, if they do, pretend they don't, and especially if they won't break the habit of putting every woman they meet on a pedestal of imagined purity. As we all know, women who are realistic about their SMV get any thirsty beta (I hesitate to call them men) at or below her own SMV.
The beta male analog is the guy that automatically gives away his power through unbalanced commitment to any woman he meets; regardless of her SMV.
We live in interesting times.
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A man who has a lot of sex is not a whore.
Men=Key
Woman=Lock
If a key open's a lot of lock, he's a master key. If a lock is open buy a lot of key's, she's a shit lock.
Someone pimp slap this dude with some grammar.
English isn't my first language. I know my grammar sucks.
A key that opens a bunch of shitty locks isn't a master key. Now if that key opens any well crafted, top notch, quality material lock you have a master key.
This is an excellent response. One other thing I'd like to add:
The axiom of her statement is "Scientology is bad. You don't want to be like a Scientologist, do you?" That's it. That's all she's got. The rest is her trying to rationalize equality between men and women, which you amply pointed out, and her ignorant claims of what she thinks our reading material is.
The resulting thread is so fucking depressing. "There are nuggets of truth, but the philosophy itself is still poison, because I say it is" is the dominant response, right along with "it's like a cult." Nobody talking over there is doing so with honesty.
TRP doesn't make money. It doesn't promise hope or redemption.
I don't take every advice here, i read a few posts and i found TRP a few months ago. It is not my life, but i generally feel better because i know now what i did wrong and how can i try to fix it.
It actually works.
What OP wrote "Good luck being a sexually active man if you're overweight, have no ambitions or confidence and can't talk to girls." is true.
I was fat with no will to do anything and no confidence.
I'm still fat, but now i have general short and long term plans and goals and more confidence to talk with everyone overall.
I don't commit 100% to TRP, i'd say i follow and understand probably 20% or less of it and it is in face good life advice.
Take what you want and leave the rest. TRP isn't here to make you a "follower", it's here to give you information.
Also it doesn't expect anything from you in return.
Take whatever you want from it or leave it.
"It actually works"
Yep, it sure does, as shocking, surprising, and most of all depressing as that is. I remember being in a business meeting back in blue pill days, and somebody was being an assclown, and I was in a bad mood that day and completely castrated him in front of everyone, not my usual style. (he certainly deserved it) After that meeting, there was a woman who was there who wanted my ass badly. I remember thinking how fucked up is that? I was a jerk to this guy and it lit her fire big time.
Now of course it makes complete sense, I am enlightened. But I also see the oz behind the curtain and it's depressing at just how close to animals we really are. It's a bitter pill.
I was a socialist young teen "niceguy" and wondered why this girl wanted to meet me and go to places but reject every time i tried to "advance" (badly, i mean i had no tactic, i was shy af).
Then recently i invited a girl to a drink at my place, she said okay, i was like what the fuck? No "being nice" and other bullshit, just having to straight up ask her.
Second part was even more "weird" when it first happened. Her reaction was much better when she did something stupid and i just said "Yeah, i expected that from a blonde" (or something like this). She liked it much better when i was like this than shower her with fake compliments.
Because girls like witty and funny guys. They won't be attracted to you if you blindly follow them like a dog, they like feels.
When she playfully calls you an asshole that's the sweet spot.
I'm good so far then. I will just have to figure out everything else too.
A huge difference between TRP and scientology (for example) is that TRP asks nothing from you. If you're a good contributor, contribute if you want. Nobody is asking for money (well, a GLO exception but he offers products/services/whatever maybe dickpicks idk) or even your time.
Really, TRP is more of a charity than anything. A philosophy that requires no membership dues.
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Welcome newcomers
Ever wonder why women cheat on you with douchebags? Are you curious how to say No to folks who are using you? Want to be the absolute best man you can be? Did you know you have no responsibility for other people's problems? And their opinions mean nothing?
Then keep reading
Excellent rebuttal. I love this community. And no, I don't agree with everything I read - and that's okay. This is a community built on a fundamentally different foundation than society as a whole has been built on - that men are different than women. I guess some people don't like that.
Gender differences are what make us human. TRP is humanist and logical. Feminism is illogical and poisonous for gender identity. These yearly posts that demonize us are getting old.
"The Red Pill will kill you inside"
I would certainly hope so:
https://therationalmale.com/2014/09/29/a-new-hope/
https://therationalmale.com/2012/04/10/the-bitter-taste-of-the-red-pill/
https://therationalmale.com/2011/11/21/kill-the-beta-2/
Hey newbies...this is Rollo..a fucking national treasure....read up.
We advocate that men become the kind of man that women throw themselves at. I don't see how that is bad in any way.
That's a gynocentric way of putting it. Be the kind of men other men want to be, if you become that, women will follow.
It is a gynocentric way to put it but it is true.
Essentially .. be the batman
Bottom line, this sub is about how NOT to be used by women.
Of course they won't like it.
Isn't there a meme about the patriarchy, racism, privilege, etc that goes something along these lines...
When you are accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.
This one too...
You are not being oppressed when another group gains rights that you've always had.
Those two statements (taken directly from Google Image Search) sum it up neatly about why women hate TRP. It shatters the rose tinted glasses and takes away the free pass that women have become accustomed to over the years.
It's funny that the reply insinuates that trp has cult characteristics such as forcing people to take ALL of the advice wholesale.
I can't say how many times people have used the salad bar analogy here.
Because the people who often argue against TRP don't bother to do their homework and actually understand what it's about. That's why I personally advocate not talking about TRP and not bothering to convert anyone. If people want to swallow it, then they'll do it on their own. We're not here to hold any hands.
The Blue Pill folks will always approach understanding of the Red Pill from the dumbed down position where they begin.
We are the truth seekers, willing to endure painful realizations in order to improve ourselves.
The Blue Pill is a progressive dumbing down where at each step along the way the dumber you get the more you feel like you are progressing in a good way. So as you go deeper and deeper into the Blue Pill mythology your ability to wake up reduces.
We are going in different directions:
Red Pill - Waking Up (painful)
Blue Pill - Dumbing Down (pleasureable)
...suicide is painless.
The Blue Pill in effect says:
"Choose to be Dumbed Down because that path requires less effort. If you Wake Up you will experience the pain of truth. Avoid pain at all costs. Avoid the truth."
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If that were true, then bloopers would be the happiest people around - what with their divorce rape and duty sex and self-righteous indignation.
Well, they usually are pretty satisfied with themselves until their reality is shattered, sure.
I know I was when I was a BP idiot.
You must always seek the light. Lest you seek darkness and abdicate your own agency to the dark forces.
What is inherently good, is not always pleasurable. Think about Buddhist monks who put themselves through the most arduous experiences to attain enlightenment. Even Jesus was crucified for his beliefs, because they went against the mainstream.
"I'd rather die like a man, than live like a coward" -2pac
Although he wasn't the most cited scholar, 2pac spoke the truth.
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If you really want to get into it. Rap has devolved from being about the lyrics, what someone is saying, to just wanting to blast some music that has a cool beat. People don't even pay attention to the lyrics anymore, its just the heavy bass that makes them feel thuggish.
Thanks to that you can have guys like Lil'Wayne, that get high, spit some stupid shit, spin a cool beat over his gibberish. And boom, cash money.
Speaking of 2pac.
Or more specifically;
Red Pill - Politically Incorrect.
Blue Pill - Politically Correct.
Not all that is politically correct is true. Likewise, some that is politically correct is true. I think you went a little too specific with that analogy.
I think there needs to be some clarity in what "political correctness" is defined as in my post.
Political correctness is basically saying things that avoid offending others or that avoid a disadvantage. This means a lot of it(but not all as you mentioned) will be intentionally inaccurate.
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I love you.
So many Beta Cuck Bluepers throw that one around. They may as well toss eggs in our faces as well.
It's an odd insult. It's accepting the notion of a man having sex as being representative that he has value, yet they're using that to argue against TRP.
This is my personal favorite, considering I'm married and my wife is throwing herself at me every time I come home.
I had some feminists try and throw the virgin and sexless loser tag at me when I got in a FB discussion about nice guy behavior. i had 4 plates at the time and 2 female friends (one a former plate) actually spoke up for me and laughed at them. Then the discussion shifted to shaming them for trying to belittle others with sex. Was great comedy.
Shaming is their only weapon and if you're doing well it has zero effect on you.
Charge of Rationalization
Terrific, it's like a shit test cheat sheet.
It is interesting that they make very absolute claims over what TRP teaches, but DON'T actually pull up examples of such from the board.
If it were that horrible, then they should be able to show highly-upvoted posts that have us saying what they think we say. But if they did that then people might actually READ the posts and come to their own conclusions.
On top of that, the few I bother to engage with don't actually have a rebuttal/refutation for the theory, they just want to point and condemn it.
Oh, TBP definitely has a compilation of some of the highly voted, fucked up posts by prominent members. It's just sad 90% of them are taken out of context.
Honestly I like posting things specifically to offend BPers every so often
They are wrong. If they are wrong they obviously don't have proof, so they start cherry picking and taking words out of context.
True, but there are a few things they've shown that I had no rebuttal. Sometimes, we really do just say fucked up shit.
I've seen that Imgur album, a large portion of it is just pretty sexist material, and about half of it is by gaylubeoil. The point they try to make with it is utterly unfounded.
Might get downvoted for this, but I wouldn't say "utterly."
TRP will certainly kill you on the inside if you subscribed to the modern lie of marriage, women and monogamy. But that's not the fault of the subject matter- that's your (and your environments) fault for making you believe something that's so utterly stupid and obviously false.
Women who tout that men can be whores to are the most delusional duplicitous creatures you can meet. First and foremost they are massive sluts trying to spin logic in such a way that absolves them of their inherent low value. Second they are completely unaware about proper female game and male game. She's equal to a blue pill SWJ in terms of obliviousness.
Also that girl in the video has no place to get mad about pumps and dumps or giving advice. I got annoyed by that make up-ed bowl-fish face after three seconds. High value men will never be within her reach.
Welcome Cucks.
Some start-up readings:
Your struggle and pain? Women neither understand nor give much of a fuck by /u/IllimitableMan
Corpse Feeders by /u/GayLubeOil
Women are as shitty as you let them be by /u/Archwinger
The Pareto Principle by /u/Rollo-Tomassi
The Light-Switch Effect - Why Women Re-Write the History of Relationships. by /u/redpillschool
Reaching your masculine "Singularity" by /u/NeoreactionSafe
PSA: Power Is Dangerous by /u/Clint_Redwood
Read those, then click on the users name and read more.
Don't forget the key books like No More Mr. Nice Guy, 48 laws, and many more.
I'll add The Art of Manipulation a sales guide. Learning to sell yourself is key.
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Better than "maggot", which is how they greet new recruits at boot camp.
Recruits know and EXPECT the name calling and degradation. And that works wonders when your trying to create people who take orders and don't ask questions. Is that what TRP wants?
First off we're not recruiting anyone here. Recruitment implies some overt attempt to attract new members. No such thing happens here. You find TRP on your own, decide if its for you on your own, and stay on your own.
Second, so what if names are called? Are you just going to stand there and accept that you're a cuck (which most men nowadays are) or actively prove that you're not?
Third, the whole point of TRP is to ask questions and think critically. We're fed the feminist trope nearly every minute of everyday. TRP recognizes this and gives you the tools to see the world for what it is. Implicit in that is the requirement that questions be asked.
Don't be like the OP of the thread linked and assume that TRP is some cult-like doctrine that you have to follow to the letter that dismisses all discussion and criticism. This is a place for debate and discussion where men come to find what they need and leave what they don't.
You spent that much time and energy defending someone calling people trying to learn cucks...... very red pill of you to invest so much energyinto something this pointless.
Edit: your comment is a straw man anyways. I never said people shouldn't ask questions. I never said trp is a cult. I never said trp is recruiting. The other guy compared it to recruiting and I disagreed. I actually agree with you on all of your points. TRP has helped me alot in my personal life. All I said is its stupid to call people cucks.
Edit 2: it feels like yall are just brigading me cuz I disagreed with an active poster in trp (paid_internet_troll).
Tldr: you made a shitpost.
my life has changed so much since i found this sub a year back. but my goals arnt about sexual conquest like many here. i have become very selfish, in a much needed way. and have begun aquiring more wealth, free time, and self respect by changing my views on what a woman is in our current society. current goals are to be single and REMAIN single. with (possibly none at all) irony, i have gotten more interest from woman recently lol. but this time, they wont change my life i am building.
i guess guys come here looking for specific advice that caters to their problems. i had a string of long term relationships with cheaters and dependents and unaccomplished woman. mostly out of desperation or just holding onto my luck. and every time one ends, it destroyed my life and i basically had to start from scratch. its a horrible chain of the modern woman that i learned much about from here lol.
Been here a long time. There is no way I could have said the above any better. Also Hello to the new recruits. Check out the book of pook. (personal favorite)
It is very hard to avoid a fem-primary paradigm. Even in this post, I feel like too much time and effort is being put into the implications of TRP for women. Who cares if she's a slut, or can't enjoy a quality LTR any more? What is in it for MEN? We shouldn't be discouraging women from being sluts- only warning men that most women are.
I feel like we are long past the point where we should be explaining anything about TRP to women, or showing them what insights they can gain from it.
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Red pill will kill you inside if the only things you have inside are limiting emotions and PC crap. But then maybe the truth will be revived inside you and you will see what it really means to be alive. So alive that you will just laugh at their petty atempts of manipulation.
Great post. So nice to see intelligent well thought out posts on the Internet.
I devoured the entire sidebar when I found this sub. Would recommend
I always enjoy when these posts come out because there is an instinctive response within me to follow the herd that asks "What if TRP is wrong and your view of people and the world is wrong"
Seeing posts like this make me realise that I am on the right track.
And since when were we a cult that you had to swallow all of TRP or none of it?
Most people in here are mouth breathing retards, that's not in doubt. The trick is to use your own volition to take what is written from other Men's experiences and apply it to your own life.
The underlying premise of all the criticism always boils own to a begrudging admittance that Men have problems but TRP is "selfish" and a lame plea to just "plug back in" and be nice to society.
Sorry, but I am nice to people I know and respect, my Friends and Family. I am not nice to society and I don't give anything to society because it's doesn't respect me nor give me any benefits.
If that changes, I'll change.
Oh and that doesn't take into account the biggest confirmation that I'm on the right track. The Girl that's essentially my own personal fuck toy, and is happy to be that.
I'm focused on academics right now so Girls are in the back seat of my life, yet I am still having logistical problems in my underwear drawer, there are that many pairs of bra's and panties from Girls I'm having trouble fitting my own in there.
Holy fuck. This shit can't be real.
No, really. This can't be true. It's like a fucking epitome of trp.
You watched that whole thing?
20 seconds in I can't stand it ... as the old school crew would say, she needs a dick in her mouth.
Yeap, there are such gems there as "I didn't want to sleep with him but it just happened", "I saw he was messaging other girls while we were together and I had sex with him anyway", "I think women shold pay for themselves, but he didn't propose to pay for me so he's a fuckboy".
Very nice RPS! Red Pill is not good or bad. It is not misogynist or woman hating. Red Pill is male sexual strategy. It is truth. Unvarnished, unabashed truth. The truth is men want more sex. Red Pill teaches us how to act in order to get it.
If the doubters have other ways all of us 'dancing monkeys' can act that will get us laid then we are all ears.
Remember, Red Pill is truth! If you have a different truth that will also compel women to want to take off all their clothes, diddle their slippery little holes and then fuck us into a coma, we are all ears. We are more than happy to modify our approach. Red Pill is truth and we will do what works.
Of course they don't have an answer. The Blue Pill sub is a parody and has no actionable solutions. The Blue Pill ideology does not provide the answer.
TLDR: The Blue Pill ideology is the lie. Red Pill is truth. However, it is a difficult truth......
The idea of having to accept everything just shows that they don't actually read any threads... not everybody agrees and that's okay! It's a good thing, it gets people to discuss and we can learn more instead of sitting in an echo chamber.
I guess we're throwing out the first rule of Fight Club...?
It does kill you inside. Because what was inside needed to die. It's like the second you put your guard down she bolts (IE talking about emotions). Put a woman in her place and they'll love you for it. I've pushed everyone away from sticking up for myself, if a girl wants to leave than let her, encourage it even, it's not like she'll love you forever. All the girls who wanted me wanted something from me, not me. Even after telling a girl exactly what she'll do she says she won't and then does exactly what I said. Every time. That's why we shouldnt talk about TRP to women, they won't get it, it's like psychoanalyzing yourself through someone else and you end up 1) proving yourself right and 2) feeling like shit.
Number one rule about TRP. Don't talk about the red pill. This is good for here but putting that on that post will do nothing. They won't understand.
Shitty rule.
You can't expect to change things if you're not willing to discuss the issues.
Red pill is not here to change things though. It's simply here for letting you know how things are.
Whatever you do with this information is up to you.
If your mission is to go out and tell the world about it in hopes of making some change then that's fine, however don't be surprised when people react negatively to you.
This is why we advocate not talking about TRP outside of TRP and if you do, don't label it in a way that's relatable to TRP.
TRP is not an activist group. The whole point is in describing reality and learning how to navigate it, not changing reality.
We as the TRP community are not changing things actively. We are changing them passively through providing information upon which men can improve themselves.
More like good strategy. Information is power, and some would keep this info in the dark if they thought it could further their own interests.
Ah yes, look at all of the good things that have come from a chosen few deciding who gets to know what information.
That's never gone wrong before, has it?
I can taste your sarcasm. I don't disagree with you, it's pretty shitty, but that's just how it's been. Those with knowledge unknown to the masses will use it to further themselves.
There will always be someone who knows something that others do not, and they will use it to make a few bucks.
A person in a position of knowledge and power should use their gifts to better human kind, but people are short sighted and self centered.
An example regarding TRP: if I were a reformed beta learning game and stuff, it would be in my short sighted best interest to keep this info under wraps to keep down any competition. The alpha however doesn't care about competition, they are confident in themselves. They want to build up themselves and those around them and are perhaps able to see that the wide spread info of TRP could be good for society as a whole in the long term.
Different example; if I'm an energy mogul, it would be in my best interest to research and silence every form of affordable, clean, decentralized energy production. Society can suffer as long as I get my money.
Another, just for fun; I own a rape whistle manufacturing company. I know rape's are on the downswing, but I'll keep that info silent while inciting rape hysteria in order to sell more rape whistles. I don't care about actual rape victims, and I sure as hell don't want to eliminate the fear of rape altogether, that's bad for rape whistle business.
So while I agree with you, it's pretty shitty and hasn't worked out all that great, it's just how it is. I'm afraid that it will continue being this way until every human knows everything every other human knows.
TRP will never be accepted in society due to it's harsh reality, lack of political correctness and stripping humans down to their baser-instincts.
Every man here is given a choice ... accept or reject. The choice is up to the individual and no one pressures you to make your choice. We only give people access to information that we've taken note of. By standing on the corner "preaching the word" and telling others we're right and they're wrong, we take away a person's ability to choose.
As we all know, choice is ultimately what makes us free men.
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We have a duty to help those who seek out the knowledge. Just like when I first stumbled upon this sub, I needed someone to proverbially 'sit me down' and explain it out to me what this place was about. That's why it's important for us to write articles like these-- it helps welcome those newbies who are seeking the truth, and it facilitates discussion.
No, we really don't. Part of finding out the truth is finding out the truth.
Well isnt it a mix of both telling people and letting them find out on their own. From my understanding is that we shouldn't actively seek out people to convert but do pay attention to those who are honestly and willingly trying to change themselves??
Like ofc you wouldnt go to any one of your friends and slap TRP truths in his face but at the same time you might observe one of your friends transitioning into the purple phase or going through a rough time and offer some help i.e. TRP.
I'm not sure I would even go that far. I'm talking about people who actually stumble on this sub who are looking for the knowledge. I agree with /u/Thenextprince in that people who don't like TRP can see themselves to the door. But people who are seeking TRP knowledge, and find this page either as a consequence of their own digging or as a consequence of someone ranting about it on CMV or askreddit or wherever, should be welcomed by us on this page.
I still find it bizarre that outsiders continuously label the posters here as neckbeards when lifting and improving aesthetics is a core part of taking the pill. I just don't understand their cognitive dissonance when it's the rest of reddit that is full of neckbeards and losers.
It's hard to vilify something you may agree with. Thus people refuse to read about TRP and just go by word of mouth. After all, we are bad people, a cult if you will and we will knock down your door and make you BELIEVE!
But if you don't read about TRP, then none of that will come to pass. So obviously, making fun of and false claims against TRP is the smart thing to do...
/sarcasm with a heavy dose of depressing observation of human psychology.
It is far easier to mock and shun that which you dislike then to try and understand it.
I'd like to add. If you don't like it you don't have to read it. :)
Welcome brothers! Enjoy the ride.
I'm a bit late to the party, can someone explain to me why we have all these new people?
For anyone looking for the hamstering examples of the Tinder-story Youtuber, fast-foward to the ~5min mark. That's when the off-white lies ("I just had a few sips of his Jack Daniels"...[30sec later]..."I was tipsy") and behavior rationalization ("I know I shouldn't have [action]...but, [reasons]") start. They don't let up for the next 10mins or so, until she gets to her lessons-learned/moment of zen.
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The most interesting thing about trp and tbp is there modes of attracting women. I love seeing a blue pillers response to the question "how do you meet and have sex with a woman very soon after meeting her."
They don't have an answer. Blue pillers believe that sex and relationships spawn organically from friendship. It should come as no surprise why they end up in the friend zone so often. In fact blue pillers would even struggle to believe the things I have seen with my own personal, let alone done myself.
If your that guy. The one who is anxious. The one who doesn't feel human because of his depression, because of his lack of social skills. If your that guy who gets friend zoned and you don't know why. If your that guy that wants to not only attract women and have sex with them and build yourself as a man along the way, I am here to tell you from experience that the red pill is a step in the right direction for you.
I know because I was that guy. When I was younger I always had this background noise in my life that told me I was worthless, no one would love me, I was ugly etc. I didn't even feel human. I gave my love too freely, and it backfired. One day my heart got broken so bad that I didn't think I would ever be the same.
I chose to get better. I decided that I would improve myself. I looked at pickup, found the redpill soon after. I don't want to give too much information but two years later and I am involved in a certain college organization and have girls arguing and fighting over me. Former me wouldn't believe it. Former me wouldn't believe I would have sex with a model in my car 40 minutes after meeting her. Former me wouldn't believe the things I say to girls and get away with.
Fuck former me. He was a bitch. Now I'm my own person. Those were my old ways, these are my new ways. Trp was a major catalyst in that change.
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I'm not a newcomer but I do have a question to ask isn't red pill about the truth and accepting it? The truth hurts and to be honest I feel like I have to live with the idea knowing that I'll never truly be happy in a relationship. I will never find a woman who can love me unconditionally and to me that kills me inside. I started with trp because I wanted a great sex life and to settle down at some point.
Maybe I'm being unappreciative, but I can't ever see women the same. I got into an LTR and its a lot harder than just spinning plates, getting women is a lot different than keeping one. I don't even see the point, I feel like I'm always walking a thin line. I have to be the rock, I have to past comfort tests and shit tests. I have to constantly find the balance of giving her me and showing her I can be ouy the door in 3 seconds.
And it kills me because I'm doing all this to keep someone who is never mine. Its just temporary.
Now I know it may sound like I'm complaining, but ive accepted this, I rather be enlightened and in pain than be ignorant and bliss. It kills me inside everyday when i realize life is fucking... life and you really only get what you're dealt, and nothing is fair, but to wake up everyday aware of that has me a better person and when I look at myself my girl and everything I can't complain. But its at the cost of feeling the truth sting deep in my gut
That's the red pill. Either you can go on living the lie because it's familiar and comfortable and will gain you the approval of the mainstream or you unplug.
And what you see when you unplug is a really ugly dirty dog eat dog world. But once I accepted that my life, the world hell the universe is meaningless and that even that meaninglessness is meaningless (yeah I know that's a weird idea) it kind of inspired me.
If life is meaningless, then living a life of suffering, failure, weakness, and being used by others for their own gain while being shorted is also meaningless. It doesn't make you noble or morally superior or any of that crap. So fuck that. I'm lifting, eating right, learning to interact with people in a way that gets me what I want and developing myself personally and financially so that I have the security and power that accumulated wealth brings.
I might as well since it doesn't make a damn bit of difference to the world or the universe whether I do or not.
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Wow. I couldn't ask for a better response man. Its also good to know that its something I can grow into.
You really nailed my life atm.
I feel like I always. Have to put on this face that still hasn't come natural to me. And I'm constantly asking myself "is this red pill?"
And I'm constantly 'guilting' myself for enjoying myself with a women. Its nice to know there is some salvation, man.
I honestly enjoy dating and relationships. To me its a hobby now.
I like getting numbers , and I like going into relationships to see how solid my smv is. I like interacting with women and going over strategy.
I realized pick up isn't hard. Its simple, you can always get a women. But good luck trying to keep one.
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See for me though I believe that if you can't keep a woman it's because your SUV is low and to me that shows that maybe I'm not good enough.
Yeah I could always replace it but that means I can't keep her. Sometimes I think it's an ego thing and sometimes maybe I think it's still a blue pill part of me. I don't think anyone ever said that being red pill would be easy and losing a woman would be painless but its still painful for me. It's embarrassing. I really do have trouble trying to make the connection that a break-up means nothing. I have read a post that said the only way to get past these type of things is with experience and maybe that's what I need.
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It doesn't kill you, but it does kill that one part of you. The part that makes you unhappy in the first place.
In response to these charts, is there another chart that also applies to men? Or do the number of sexual partners not affect a man's ability to enter into a stable LTR?
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I don't have a link handy but the opposite was true for men.
The fewer partners they had the more likely they were to step out later.
That was true for women as well if they had more than one but a few number of partners.
True monogamy was the strongest and after that the next peak of stability was at 12 partners and then its all down hill.
You must understand their psychology... Most men are born to be slaves. They have a woman's personality: always trying to be in vogue, holding views deemed fashionable (supporting women "rights", being "anti-racist", whatever), never challenging authority, always swapping masters at moments notice (had Hitler won they would have had opposite "views"), you know the rest. Their goal in life is just to "live" like cockroaches: consume and multiply. What do you expect when you offer these a glimpse of reality?
Reality, and the occasional depression coming from its acceptance, is not something to preach for the wide public. Simply be a leader and they will follow whatever "reality" you are putting forward...
Even when I'm reading this bluepillsplaining fest on top page about TRP my brain raises NoLogicException everytime op tries to undermine RP truths. It makes no sense from my experiance not to live and see world through red lenses, because everytime I try, I get screwed over or I'm not happy or even content. By no means I'm closed to new ideas. It's that few past years of my life made me much more better man, I cannot throw away this gift of worldknowing.
Serious question. You talked about nailing her a few hours after meeting her and that makes her a whore. What if she isn't. What if you were the third relationship she was in, something clicked and now 20 years later you are still together and happy?
You can jump out of an airplane with no parachute and survive too. That doesn't mean it's a good idea to bet on it. Nothing on TRP is going to claim that it is 100% accurate to the letter for every single female human being that will ever exist. And if anyone does, they are a fool. What TRP does claim, and is correct to do so, that the vast majority of female behavior is predictable and falls into certain predefined boxes. Are 100% of women always going to do whatever their friends tell them? No of course not. Some don't even have friends. But it's still safe to bet that if her friends are all doing or saying something, there is an extremely high chance she will too. Women are social consensus creatures.
Have 100% of women in existence cheated? Again no, of course not. Especially when you consider that in the past we used to have social mores and taboos about cheating and women were less likely to try out of fear even if the instinct was still there(it was). But again, the drive to pursue the top male she can find, no matter what else may be going on, is literally part of a woman's genetic code. A woman is designed to seek the best genetic material to pair her own with so that when she procreates and spends her time, energy, and even life in the creation and upbringing of a child, that child has the best chance of thriving. And nothing man puts in the way of that, whether it be religion, tradition, or concepts like loyalty or love can erase something that is part of what makes her a XX chromosomed mammal. A woman only has one life and can only have so many children. So her genes drive her to mate with the best male she can find. Even if she's already in the mating dance with a different male at the time she discovers a better one.
Men also only have one life. And when you're talking marriage, then it's even more important to not make risky decisions. You don't end up having an LTR or even worse, marrying, a woman who fucked you the day she met you. Not because it's impossible that she's not a slut and just happened to be a great woman who miraculously determined you were the best male she could find and never found a better one for 20 years.......but because it's really damn unlikely.
Thanks for the thoughtful answer.
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FYSA I'm fairly certain that the mods removed the post.
I'd be amazed if it lasted more than an hour. Any post challenging the Reddit hivemind status quo gets vaporized.
i saw that post and laughed. no one in that thread had any idea what trp actually was but were all so quick to pat each other on the back and was an expert on what it was. a bunch of fat sjw loving drags of society afraid of success and taking responsibility for their own actions. but hey it made best of
An upvote for truth.
Tldr, A lock that is opened by many keys is a shitty lock. A key that opens many locks is a master key.
The criticism that TRP is misogynistic is completely ridiculous. We merely state that it's not worth our time to LTR a woman. We focus on improving ourselves, something all men could use. We talk to each other the way men always talk to each other; if that makes anyone uncomfortable, they don't need to be a part of TRP. We offer a safe place for men to vent, offer help to each other, and be real men; there aren't many safe male spaces left in the world. The only thing we've done is not put women on a pedestal, and not adjust the way we act based on what offends them. And in today's world, that's synonymous with misogyny.
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Exactly. Women want all the benefits of being men, but not of the drawbacks. (Not that I blame them; gaining a bunch of privilege and losing nothing sounds great.)
There's not much we can do. Even MGTOW is accused of misogyny, for simply not wanting to have anything to do with women. Office spaces are at best neutral towards men. Any male-only organization is accused of misogyny and shut down ASAP. There aren't a lot of spaces where men can just be men.
Agreed. I certainly wouldn't have listened to that when I was BP. The shake sucks, a lot, but you come out a better man on the other side.
Over time you can completely lose that sore spot, that automatic "no I'm not!!" reaction to when they call you a misogynist or racist or homophobe or whatever else.
It was best demonstrated by Patrice O'Neal on his radio show. A lot of angry feminist harpies would call in and shout that he is a "fat, disgusting mysoginist pig!!".
Patrice's answer: "And?"
The automatic "no I'm not!" plays right into their hands. Only a true misogynist would deny being a misogynist. The more you try to fight it, the worse they''ll make it for you.
And thats why you just wasted your time.
Most voters are undecided, and most people don't discover new communities with opinions already formed around it. This post wasn't for the person who has already decided they hate TRP.
Fair enough, but most voters inherently believe in the blue pill and will have to undergo the same dilemma as a hater. You may not hate TRP or maybe you never even heard of it, but you may still strongly believe women can do no wrong, true love exists, etc., and find yourself still undergoing the crisis of faith as a result of clashing ideas.
I dont mean this to put you down, its a good quality post and I actually appreciate it, I simply wanted to remind you of this fact. I believe if we can get around this phenomenon somehow then we would be able to go public, i just wonder what the fuck could possibly be done to break through the dissonance.
To break through the dissonance. the blue pill way of life must be viciously mocked. Not debated with, not swamped with highbrow apologetics - it should be mocked, laughed at.
Making popular rude jokes about "the beta faggot" and what happened when he walked into a bar with a hyena...
Caricatures.
Insinuate disgusting sexual themes about blue pillers, i.e. all blue pillers are sexually stunted, have small dicks, or are pedophiles that fucked Dolly the sheep since they couldn't get anything better.
One must learn from the tactics our enemy has used when they were taking down Christianity in the US, for example. The subversive tactics of the well-funded SJW bridgades are naturally very good, it's just what they used them for that we might find a little objectionable and regressive. I would never put myself above learning from them, put on a little extra spin of your own like GLO does, and the situation quickly does a 180 turn.
Was this quote in the original post? If so, it was removed.
Paraphrasing to bring up a point.
I can't help but laugh at the top reply of the first thread that you linked from CMV, not just because he's strawmaning but also because some idiots threw their wallets on the screen, as if the more money you spend the truer the argument becomes. "Sex isn't everything" claimed the sexually starved husband. "How dare you not allowing women to be sexually liberated" said the last pick, who also happens to believe that sex isn't everything, all the while his wife spent her best years having sex with every man she wanted except him.
It's better to be called a virgin than be called a "last pick male".
Redpill is allright except when some loser gets all male domination or alt rightists because he can't deal with the shit in his life without blaming external factors.
You can blame external factors yet still recognize that it is your responsibility to overcome the obstacles because nobody else will do it for you.
Recognizing the obstacles is far, far better than pretending they don't exist and that you have control over everything.
but bitch, moan and pretend that others join your witch hunt is lazy and coward
witch hunt? what on earth are you talking about?
I'm pretty sure one of the most basic tenets of this philosophy is that a man has no-one to blame but himself. If your girl walks all over you, that's your fault. If she cheats on you, it may or may not be your fault, but you shouldn't take it personally or respond with vindictiveness. Improve yourself and move on, because there are plenty of decent women out there.
Here is a problem many people have with the TRP: TRP men dislike and condemn sluts, yet spend a lot of effort convincing women to be sluts (for them).
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The whole point is to accept that.
Men don't force women to be sluts.
They decide that for themselves.
But you've wanted to believe your whole young life that you would get to marry a sweet girl and live happily ever after.
Then you learn there are no sweet girls only sluts (more precisely that there are so few sweet girls it is irrational to think that you will find one that wants to marry you.)
So now what do you do?
You may as well accept the lower quality of life from your idealization and fuck the sluts. However knowing all of this there is no reason to sacrifice your personal or financial freedom to a woman in order to achieve a sex-life.
It's not a condemnation of sluts. It's an acceptance.
I personally enjoy meninists for their sheer entertainment value. Watching a bunch of hideously-ugly genetically-aberrant males getting all upset and throwing hysterical pansy hissyfits is absolutely hilarious. It's like watching a circus freakshow. Please keep spewing your usual diatribes and playing your usual victim cards. I enjoy picturing you balling your little fists and turning intensely red in the face as you rattle off a litany of perceived injustices you've suffered at the hands of those meanie women. The angrier you get, the funnier it is, like watching a frustrated little doggie chasing but never quite catching its tail.
Women aren't necessarily mean. They just aren't prevalent push-overs like so many beta-bucks are.
Somewhere along the way the notion that women were the emotional ones and that meant they cared more about other people got dumped into our society. Women are the more emotional ones but emotions are selfish so all that means is that women are naturally more selfish than men are.
So once you understand that all women are sluts and that they are selfish you realize that women offer you nothing and if this one isn't lacking enough attention to suck your dick the next one will be.
And since you're on TRP trolling you must be starving for attention. Try loosing weight.
"So once you understand that all women are sluts"
LMAO. Nope. See 99% of us guys are able to have normal relationships with women. Then there are you deviants in this subreddit. While the rest of us were getting tail in high school and university, you were the ugly greasy little losers crying at home and jerking off to pics of 13-year old girls.
You're really lacking in self-awareness, aren't you? You really don't realise the implications of being who you are, do you? You hate women because they've rejected and ridiculed you all your life, and if you've been rejected by women, it's because you're physically-repulsive/deformed/ugly. That's evolution actively working to prevent your genetically-inferior genes from being passed on and polluting the pool. It's basic science. And if you're genetically-defective and not able to help the species propagate, you're a waste of resources and should be exterminated like the Nazis did with the mentally-handicapped/retarded during WWII.
See, you're not just a disgrace to my gender, you're a genetic freak. You've been humiliated by women all your life so now you're angry at them, but it's actually you that's the source of all your failures. You're genetically-aberrant - a mutant. I'm a big proponent of eugenics and believe that sterilization should be used to weed out the genetically-inferior like you. You're just lucky we live in a liberal tolerant society that allows your kind to live. If this were Nazi Germany, you freaks would be shoved into ovens and roasted alive or gassed with Zyklon-B with your screams of agony recorded for posterity for the amusement of the SS. If it were legal, I'd round up my skinhead buddies and curb-stomp you freaks and put it on YouTube. Just hearing the satisfying crunch as your skull separates from your cervical vertebrae would make me come.
You'll write that while pretending the girl you ended up with isn't like any of the girls you dated?
It's a hard pill to swallow. A lot of guys freak out a bit when they come to terms with it. That is why you're here ... and freaking out.
PS I'm old as dirt and married.
Hadn't heard of this subreddit until today. Don't plan on trying to analyze the psyche of your commentators or the legitimacy of your beliefs or even spending much more time here.
What I do know is that life is not so simple that you can distill relationships into a "blue pill" and a "red pill."
you misunderstand, the blue/red pill is simply about seeing things as you want them to be vs seeing reality as it is.
And since I don't see it your way that makes me a "blue pill" right!?
No, I don't know enough about your opinions to have any opinion on it.
I agree with this, good thing we have an entire subreddit dedicated to exploring this issue.
What other pill colors can I choose from?
You are drastically missing the point of the symbolism.
I hope you know that Red/Blue pill is a Matrix reference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE7PKRjrid4&ab_channel=Movieclips