Money Will Make You Happy

Kite_Blight · 2017-01-26T20:44:44+00:00

The way it was explained to me and resonated with me: Money can buy freedom and freedom buys happiness.

The ability to do what you want when you want is very powerful.

And money can aid in that, if used correctly.

RedNightOwl · 2017-01-27T03:07:12+00:00

Money is happiness, its power as well. Everything in life, every action, motive revolves around two things, money and power. - 50th Law - Robert Greene.

HS-Thompson · 2017-01-26T20:44:10+00:00

I've been literally flat broke as an adult, and I've had way too much money, more than I really knew what to do with at times. I can say with authority that having the money is a very key component to happiness and the general thrust of this post is correct.

I believe strongly that having way too much money and way too much pussy, for at least awhile, is something every TRP minded man should do in their life.

Yes, if you achieve that state and then decide the tradeoffs aren't for you and want to live a more minimalist life, then fantastic. If you have way more hot pussy at your disposal than you could have imagined, and then decide to raise a family, that's your choice too.

As long as those are informed choices, made from a position of abundance. If you've never experienced that kind of true abundance then you're going to die wondering.

great_artists_steal · 2017-01-26T22:21:40+00:00

Having money isn't everything; not having money, is.

Rommel0502 · 2017-01-27T04:13:14+00:00

I've lost count how many times I've suggested this here. I've actually grown tired of trying to convince guys here that its infinitely better to be in the top 5% of wealth than it is the top 5% of looks. With the former you have control over every facet of your life. With the latter you have control over just one.

Im in my late 40s now. I've went through stages of my life when I had one or the other, and both and neither. I can say without fear of contradiction that having high wealth is leagues better than being jacked. The utility difference isn't even in the same stratosphere.

From a market perspective, there is a reason that being in the top 5% wealth is infinitely more difficult than being in the top 5% jacked. The latter can be achieved in a year with perhaps ten hours a week commitment. The former perhaps in twenty years with 100 hour a week commitment, and even then its far from guaranteed.

Edit - I can say in my case having money has only increased my desire to be jacked. Ive found great success in one area of your life gives confidence that spills over into others. If I was sweating to make ends meet the last thing Id be thinking about is getting to the gym. These days, its just part of my routine.

IGoYouStayTwoAutumns · 2017-01-27T06:10:35+00:00

Seinfeld, after he made his first couple hundred mill, was asked about money. He said: "The best part about having money is not having to think about it anymore." Totally agree.

Rommel0502 · 2017-01-27T17:03:05+00:00

My former career was a long stint on Wall St, so I have many friends who are rather wealthy. I can tell you that I have never heard a single one of them ever imply that money does not lead straight to happiness. That said, whenever I have heard someone claim the opposite, they have ALWAYS been someone from the middle class or below.

Its just human nature - if you don't have something, you will rationalize why that thing isn't important globally so therefore it isn't important to you. Its why "the rich" are vilified so often just for being rich.

One more time, I grew up dirt poor. Neither one of my parents graduated high school. I put myself through college because of hard work and to Wall St through hustle. When I opened my own business, it started as me on the phone in a 10x10 windowless office. Now, at 48, I don't work day to day anymore and have more money than I will ever be able to spend. I've been very far on both sides of that fence. I can tell you without hesitation that few things suck more than having no money, and nothing is better than having it in excess. My life has turned out better than my wildest dreams, and I can say that largely (but not entirely) because of my monetary station.

Live in your dream house. Drive your dream car. Have the respect of all of those around you. Mingle in the ruling class social circles. Never worry about paying a bill ever again. Go out to eat wherever you want, whenever you want. Same for travel. On and on. I currently live this and I can tell you with complete honesty there is fucking NOTHING like it, and anyone who has really been there will tell you the same thing. Im not telling you this from a bullshit study done by some academic who is in the same boat. Im telling you this from a lifetime of experience on both sides. Do it, and you will fully agree. I guarantee it.

Isdogatree · 2017-01-26T21:32:48+00:00

If you're young, its better to find your true passion, get good at it as only truly passionate people can get and then monetize it.

If you already have obligations, going for money is not a bad choice.

LittiJari · 2017-01-26T22:30:24+00:00

Money DOES make you happy. I was broke one year ago, then inherited a fortune and now I feel completely different person!

deepthrill · 2017-01-27T01:44:28+00:00

Many of my blue-pill friends use excuses like "to make more money would require more stress". Bullshit. Maybe for some types of jobs, but most high-performing jobs are going to be stressful to some degree if you're pushing yourself and giving something your all.

Money is one thing that links nearly every human on the planet. We've drilled down the value of every event, every situation, every location, every culinary item, every incentive over another human, to a simple dollar amount. And there's nothing wrong with that. Men don't complain; they look at the systems in front of them and optimize for that.

You can make people do things by paying them enough money. You can shape industries, you can purchase influence, you can never have to worry about the price tag of anything you desire. You can make women wet with enough money ("oh it's blue-pill to be a beta bux!" - you certainly don't need money to make women wet, but you could if you wanted to).

All the people who spout some bullshit often-debunked "fact" that "if you make more than $70k/year you do not get happier!" have never brushed shoulders with the truly wealthy. Many people secretly wish they could be happy and feel comfortable with their mediocrity because they are scared to leave their comfort zones.

I promise you that if you've interacted with enough multi-millionaires for enough time (even if you're not one yourself yet), and saw their lifestyle, you would never make such bullshit claims.

Rant over. Back to work go grow some financial wealth.

thatbrofoshow · 2017-01-27T16:59:17+00:00

Without sounding like a cunt... I'm a 29, "self-made" millionaire, have looks and in good shape, health, great family and friends. I'm lucky. By all but the most ridiculous standards, I have it all. Am I happy? Meh, sorta. I'd say I'm a 6/10 on the happiness scale. There are people all over the world living in poverty that are happier than me.

It's been shown that a certain threshold of money or income will increase happiness but the correlation is minimal after a point (not THAT high either). I don't have the numbers but I wana say it's something like 100k/yr to a single man.

Reflecting back on my life I'd say my happiness has been overall fairly consistent but the peak was times during college when I was broke but partying and hanging with friends. It's never been a 9 or 10 happiness though. And I don't think it ever will be.

My opinion is that people are kinda wired in a way that keeps them in a certain range of happiness. I'm a bit of a perfectionist and I'm obsessive when I get into things. In my career no achievement was ever good enough. It felt good for a brief time but there was always the drive to push it more and get to the next level. This carries over in day to day life type stuff too. I think a lot of high achievers have this in common. It's good in a sense to where it pushes you to reach high goals but in the end you're never really content. It's a catch 22.

For the point of the post I agree, guys should be striving to make enough $ to where they can within reason buy the things they want and don't ever have to worry about bills. It takes some stress away sure. But driving a Ferrari instead of an infiniti won't make you any happier tbh. At least non of that did for me.

I'd say one of the greatest gifts having a lot of $ gives you is the freedom. If I decide to work again the $ I'd make at a given job will have no influence on whether I choose to do it, and that's pretty cool I guess.

MattyAnon · 2017-01-26T21:37:52+00:00

The research is with you.

Increased annual income up to about $50-60k is correlated with happiness. After that it doesn't make much difference.

After that you are better off getting other things out of life than just more money.

If you have $60k coming in without debts or dependents, you can look pretty fucking wealthy. Great house, all the gadgets, good car and no financial worries.

Most importantly - no financial worries. 3-6 mths outgoings safely in the bank. You can go on holiday and indulge your favourite weird sport.

For men abundance is attraction, and abundance isn't having it all, abundance is having "more than enough".

super_hater · 2017-01-26T22:22:18+00:00

Can confirm. Been broke all my life and still broke. Not happy right now

chazthundergut · 2017-01-27T05:16:52+00:00

Most of "making you happy" is achieved by cutting out the things that make you unhappy. Toxic relationships/people, compulsive behaviors and addictions, unhealthy lifestyle habits, shitty patterns of thought, mindless automated living, and major chronic stressors.

Once you have excised the tumors that are making you unhappy, you can add in the things that actually do make you happy: freedom (includes independence and self-sufficiency), optimal physical fitness, self-improvement, mindful living, meaningful experiences, helping OTHERS, connections and friendships.

$$$ MONEY is cheat codes for LIFE, in that virtually every one of those things in the second category are WAY easier to access when you are wealthy.

HOWEVER, there are plenty of wealthy people who have not yet mastered the first (and more important) part of being happy: they are overburdened by all those shitty parts of their lives that are dragging them down.

If you are not rich, you should definitely make that your number 1 priority. You have no idea what kind of amazing life you are missing out on. And it really isn't all that difficult; have discipline, use critical thinking, and build up a little momentum. If you keep a solid mindset, money will make your life sweet in ways you can barely imagine.

blacwidonsfw · 2017-01-27T16:55:07+00:00

Got my first real real job lately and just got my bonus and extra stock grants. Woke up 50k richer.

It's really nice not having to worry about money at all and frees up 80% of your mindspace when you don't have to worry about a stupid bill or debt. I remember how much it weighed on my psyche when I was struggling in school and working full time for 10 bucks an hour.

Also never have to worry about getting the 25 dollar steak versus the 18 dollar pasta which doesn't seem like a big deal but that is real freedom right there.

You don't need money to be happy but you need freedom. Freedom isn't cheap

xXSoroxXx · 2017-01-26T22:01:04+00:00

"Money can't buy happiness" is now a superficial cliche phrase. People think it means just material things but it's goes much deeper. My brain has a negative baseline for thoughts and i get really anxious, depressed, etc if I each shitty processed food. If I buy from the local farmers around me and stick to pasture raised and grass fed whole foods I feel better physically and mentally. The only downside is it's ALOT more expensive. That is one facet of money DOES buy you happiness.

TheSlicemanCometh · 2017-01-27T01:27:23+00:00

Money is the freedom and, for me, freedom is happiness.

For me money is the freedom to do what I want to do. Its having options. Having choices in life.

I want to drive a BMW and to dress nice with leather shoes, tailored suits, designer underwear and a Rolex. Go out to five star diners and eat and drink whatever you choose without thinking twice about the price.

There is science behind how these things make your T go up and high T is feeling good and sustained good feelings is happiness.

I want these things. Western men should not settle for less.

Wadsworth21 · 2017-01-27T04:27:41+00:00

Something that I heard from a mentor of mine who is extremely wealthy but doesn't flaunt it was that it's not about how much money you can make but how much money you can keep. I had never thought about building wealth that way. Saving is key

butter_coffee · 2017-01-27T05:03:39+00:00

I remember Seneca encouraging us to take cold showers and wear cheap clothes to get ready in case we lose it all. I tried it out to see how spartan I could make my life. It's more fun to see how frugal you can be, knowing it's a choice, than when a friend I know had no choice BUT to live that way because of bad spending habits. Lack of money is a lack of self discipline (forcing yourself to work, plan ahead, budget appropriately)

Andrew54321 · 2017-01-27T06:06:26+00:00

You know what's more comforting to know?

That you're all that you'll ever need.

champagne_papdi · Fri Jan 27 17:28:48 2017 UTC

I own 2 successful businesses (Restaurant/Banquet) on top of having respectable 9-5 Engineering job. My financial situation allows me the ability to treat girls I date extremely well as in- upscale restaurants, top shelf drinks, good seats at basketball/football games, hotels/travel for weekend getaways. Even the little things like bringing starcucks coffee/hot chocolate on a cold day or calling an uber black instead of an uberX etc.

At the end of the day every girl just goes "Oh wow I love the way you treat me! You're not like any other guy I've dated". Gee wonder why

postreformedpua · 2017-01-26T21:15:13+00:00

I'd love to be financially independent. Having to work a 9-7 job to pay for the CEOs and board members yachts is soul crushing. If anyone has any ideas where to start I'm all ears.

Banincoming · 2017-01-27T03:22:56+00:00

Enough money is freedom from many worries.

BuzzedNig · 2017-01-27T03:53:03+00:00

I just need an idea for a business. I have 50k sitting in my bank accout, I can afford to invest in a business. I just don't know what to do. My trade requires millions to start a business so I can't just do what I'm doing on my own

grachuss · 2017-01-27T04:09:08+00:00

This is so true. Once I started buying apartment buildings last year I added another $30k a year to my income, and that was after all deductions. Because of this my job's hold over my life disappeared. I only needed to work 8 hours per day, and I was still saving more money than the $25k minus taxes I making in OT.

It's a funny feeling to suddenly have the pendulum swing in your favor. When I told my boss I switched to no OT he looked shocked. I now get all the easy assignments to make sure I'm out in under 8 hours. I also became a union rep since I no longer have to worry about reprisals from management.

mytrpname · 2017-01-27T06:10:48+00:00

Ironically when you do buy something with the money, you now have less. And thus money actually buys anti-happiness (obviously except when youre meeting legit needs).

Save/invest your money. Only trade as little of your time as you need/can for as much money as you can. Be happy with your life/mission, not some advertisements guilt tripping definition of "the good life"

use4356n · 2017-01-26T21:45:33+00:00

The pursuit of money places yuo on the hedonic treadmill, the bible calls it "chasing after the wind" men with money never have enough money, meaning that it cannot and will never buy happiness. People who pursue it for happiness sake are soon consumed by it.

Money is a distraction that prevents men from asking the deeper questions of life.

Money can buy you comfort, but many a good men have destroyed by too much comfort. Trials and discomfort are good opportunities to build character -- there is no virtue without temptation -- and virtue is something that money cannot buy.

Like lifting, you cannot get anywhere without experiencing some discomfort and pain.

Money, and comfort are nice, but do NOT place it at the center of your life, money gets in the way of the deeper questions, and the deeper questions ultimately seek to find happiness, wherever it may be hiding.

LongEZE · 2017-01-26T21:42:46+00:00

I think people confuse money with making money.

Money given won't make you happy, but earning lots of money will prove your worth in addition to being able to buy things. If you don't work, you won't be happy.

Hirudin · 2017-01-27T01:31:12+00:00

The only time I ever experience true happiness is when I can do something today that I couldn't do yesterday. Money is both the cause of, and the result of this happening.

gecko408 · 2017-01-27T03:39:02+00:00

Sell out. Make as much money as you can. Don't chase women, chase money

SeemedGood · 2017-01-27T05:16:52+00:00

Money is security. Money is comfort.

...and those things are both associated with happiness for women (or lead to it at any rate). Men are different.

Security and comfort do not make us happy, on the contrary, they tend to make us weak and that leads to unhappiness. Challenge, conflict, discomfort, and the thrill of overcoming them are more likely to make us happy. Those things improve us and make us stronger, which makes us happy.

Don't get me wrong, I am a fan of money (or rather the excess productivity that it stores), and in my lifetime I have had none of it at times and large amounts of it at times (including the Mercedes and Porsche when I could afford a Bentley and Ferrari). It has been my experience that my happiness is almost completely uncorrelated with the amount of money that I have at any given time.

Andrew54321 · 2017-01-27T06:05:00+00:00

Yea and no. You're mistaking cause and effect. The attitude of experiencing ultimate freedom is what brings the necessary wealth to experience it.

Ever wonder why billionaires aren't busting a nut 24/7 from the extreme number of options and freedom they have? Would you? They do not because they had that attitude before the billions.

nixon007 · 2017-01-27T06:30:09+00:00

Red pill is starting to sound like some hip hop albums I used to listen to.

TheStumblingWolf · 2017-01-27T08:39:28+00:00

When I got my education psychology was a part of it. Money was the topic one day. We were taught that money can either make you miserable or content but not happy. True, money can remove worries from your life and a lot of it can make you able to do whatever the fuck you want but I personally find that without anyone to share the experiences you can buy with it it's useless. I love not having to worry about money, but the only thing that makes me truly happy are my friends and knowing I can rely on them.

VTMSCHVSVCTRY · 2017-01-27T14:43:27+00:00

"Money Is The Life of The Mind" was my post. This was a great post.

A Mercedes in your driveway will only bring you happiness if you could've afforded the Ferrari.

Had me rolling

grngr · 2017-01-27T09:12:16+00:00

Money equates, essentially, to having things done for you. Freedom.

andhakanoon · 2017-01-27T09:29:50+00:00

This is so true. I have been a long time lurker here, and really wanted to implement a lot of what I read here in my life, but every time it just boiled down to "who's gonna pay for it?" Luckily, I've found a new job, and can soon start working on improving myself both physically and mentally.

SouloftheVoid · 2017-01-27T15:22:44+00:00

I hate the saying "Money can't buy happiness" because it's just a meaningless platitude meant to keep people without money content. Money buys everything. Hungry? Money buys food. Cold? Money buys shelter. Bored? Money buys entertainment. Lonely? There are plenty of women in and outside the US who will be your wife if you have the funds, just look at the president.

Sethori · 2017-01-26T21:22:13+00:00

Nah. Money can buy pleasure but pleasure isn't happiness. Happiness comes from within and is rooted in mature masculinity.

TimeIsEverything · 2017-01-26T21:13:04+00:00

Money can buy peace of mind, from which you can seek to better yourself and reach your goals.

lv_21 · 2017-01-27T06:21:53+00:00

Agreed. Cash is king everywhere and anywhere. It's not gonna get you 100% of what you want, but a good 95% of what you want out of life can be bought with money.

putsomecolourson · 2017-01-27T00:31:38+00:00

Everybody needs money...That's why they call it money

Expectations1 · 2017-01-27T02:39:33+00:00

But lifting and being healthy cannot be bought.

Being healthy makes you happier.

Being fit and able to use the freedom that money buys is also big, and that takes hard work.

It is why fitness is so highly regarded these days, it cannot be bought, it is through sheer will and determination that a fit and ripped body is created.

deeman010 · 2017-01-27T07:31:09+00:00

I can understand how that is and I do mostly agree but we must also remember that money is just a form of power. This is relevant in countries like mine that have cities that emulate the 1st world but still contain "wilder" elements in the rural sections of the country.

Warlords operating their own private armies are still fairly common here (gov't supported in the past) and they tend to dictate the financial growth of a (rural) area. Money also, naturally, gravitates towards them. I just felt like expounding for some reason.

RedShock1 · 2017-01-27T13:13:43+00:00

Money can't buy everything, but everything needs money.

PissedPajamas · 2017-01-26T20:01:29+00:00

Money ain't happiness but it pays you out of unhappiness

BlackVale · 2017-01-26T22:47:10+00:00

Thanks. Any advice on investing early on besides just saving?

tempjewman · 2017-01-26T23:02:36+00:00

I always thought that having lots of money was so important to happiness in life. It gives you freedom in your life to do the things you really want to do.

There's some statistic out there saying 60-70k is the ideal income for happiness before diminishing returns. I always felt like its a trap to ensure people don't get too ambitious.

For me, if I have a business I want it to grow. Meaning profit goes up in a somewhat linear trend over the year. The more profit I see, the more motivated I am to continue the trend. It becomes a conscious habit, much like going to the gym is. You get positive reinforcement from seeing yourself in the mirror after weeks of lifting, or watching the plate count go up, etc.

I can see the argument from the opposite side that basically says you're not free, but a slave to money. You can't stop working because you can't fathom the idea of not making money. I would MUCH rather have this problem than the inverse.

StoicCrane · 2017-01-26T19:52:01+00:00

Lies, the pursuit of money is like a knife that stabs one with many pains in exchange for chump change. Money is a tool for promoting certain aspects of life. A lover of money will never be satisfied with money.

BetaFeelz · 2017-01-27T07:32:21+00:00

A flip side exists...

I work in tech. I make 200k, 30 years old. I have no consumer debt, just a mortgage on a 900k house (that's cheap in my area).

I work a lot. A. Lot. Some weeks are 40, and some weeks are 80+. I also travel internationally for about two weeks every two months. There is no structure in my company, just chaos and firefighting, so I am always working on not being too stressed. Sometimes it is exciting and dynamic, sometimes I hate it with all my soul.

I lift at 5AM, listen to audiobooks during my commute, work all day, get home barely in time to see my son before he goes to bed, and then shove food down my throat, sleep, repeat. Weekends consist of childcare, chores, and house repair. It's work all weekend in that sense too.

Money is nice but I don't even have time to spend it.

Snowiceolated · 2017-01-26T23:16:23+00:00

Disagreed. While going from homeless and starving to middle class will certainly make anyone immensely happy, there's diminishing returns. It's a logarithmic growth. At a certain point, getting more money just doesn't make you happier anymore.

blackedoutfast · 2017-01-26T20:59:23+00:00

disagree completely. i know people who have more money than everyone reading this combined and they're just as depressed and unfulfilled and unhappy as anyone else.

LifeSupport2017 · Thu Jan 26 20:11:55 2017 UTC

We live in the 21st Century. You can be broke poor and still live like a King.

In today's world, money does not buy comfort, it buys luxury.

And money is not happiness. Happiness is gained through positive life experiences, none of which require much to begin with.

Warmckeever · 2017-01-27T02:53:46+00:00

what you do with the money is more important i might add.

CyberninjaZen · 2017-01-27T00:18:08+00:00

Money can make you happy but there's no guarantee. There zre lots of depressed celebs that kill themselves.

crash1082 · 2017-01-27T01:18:06+00:00

I was depressed about a month ago and feeling lazy, and 2 months prior my salary went up 3x.

I'm not disagreeing with your statement...just saying that even though I'm very financially stable, it's not everything.

CptDefB · 2017-01-27T04:04:55+00:00

In the movie it was energy. In real life it's money.

PlusGoody · 2017-01-27T18:22:33+00:00

I'll say one under-appreciated thing about being quietly rich (or visibly on your way to quiet wealth). It attracts the BEST kind of women. Gold-diggers are diverted to the flashy d-bags. But smart, sane, future-oriented good-looking women who want to have the option to be stay-at-home moms in the magic circle suburbs, vacation first class and five star, and retire in comfort in Florida? Boy does that work.

Katavasis · 2017-01-27T22:00:57+00:00

Money means different things for different people.

But if you have none,you care,if you have a lot you don't.It can mean the whole world when you don’t have it and nothing when you have a lot.

RedBikerMouse · 2017-02-02T08:13:59+00:00

Nah bro, if you meditate for 2 hours a day you'll see that hunger and headaches are just neural reactions in your body, so that you can easily dismiss them. /sarcasm

You're 100% right. Not sarcasm. Being in the low value men group, financially and socially, is linked with all shorts of maladies. Anyone who says money can't bring happiness already solved his money problems and doesn't have to worry about surviving, bringing food to the table and paying the bills.

IBAR_ · 2017-01-27T03:23:43+00:00

The single largest determinant of a stress-free, happy life is wealth.

lol. I'm a commodity trader. I've worked with people with more money than God and do fine myself. Being broke might be terrible but being wealthy is useless.

imnotquaid · 2017-01-27T02:11:30+00:00

I pay a solid mortgage to live alone in a really nice place/area and don't have a whole lot left for anything else. Not all that happy and I'm striving to make more money. If I was still living in a sharehouse with a bunch of dude roommates to share rent on like you guys id be on easy street. I do get laid though. :/

HAMMURABl · 2017-01-26T19:48:57+00:00

Earn, budget, save, invest.

i work in investment consulting and whenever i hear people blindly talking about "investing" money i have to laugh. the others are true though.

CreamiestCream · 2017-01-27T01:53:25+00:00

No, blue-pilled freshman, debt is not slavery. Proper use of leverage maximizes gains, buys more time.

WillMatte · 2017-01-27T02:21:46+00:00

Can confirm money will not make you happy. Everyone who has made a significant amount knows this.

croyoydo · 2017-01-27T08:53:58+00:00

you are fucking retarded and are a literal blue pill

lowdylondalousey · 2017-01-26T23:31:15+00:00

It's fun when you guys make broad statements about stuff that is completely culturally dependant.

WildmanThaGod · 2017-01-26T22:18:07+00:00

This is completely wrong and childish. Happiness doesn't come from external means at all, that's called instant gratification, not true happiness. Go read some Aristotle and educate yourself please.

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