What do you think about guys that say that women are more beautiful without makeup and that they prefer "natural" women?

Nearby-Armadillo · 2020-04-28T12:22:06+00:00

They see women wearing natural look makeup and think she's wearing no makeup.

FatPam007 · 2020-04-28T13:26:26+00:00

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blackredrosepetals · 2020-04-28T13:33:32+00:00

it’s pretentious. if anything expecting women to look perfect without any makeup whatsoever is even higher standards. these are the guys that think they are woke and unique for liking ‘natural’ beauty, yet once they see a woman with some stubble on her legs they backtrack and suddenly ‘natural’ is gross.

subtlecuttlefish · 2020-04-28T14:59:18+00:00

So I don't like facial hair past a certain length on guys. I don't feel the need to go up to clean shaven guys and tell them they look so much more handsome without all that hair on their face, unlike SOME guys who feel the need to grow out their beard. I also don't tell bearded men "you know, most women don't like beards" or "I bet you're really handsome under that beard, you should try shaving it off". If I see a guy with a well-maintained beard that suits him I don't go up to him and tell him, unprompted "wow, I don't usually like guys with beards but you actually look really nice!". I don't post photos on my social media comparing a clean shaven guy with a guy with a long straggly unkempt Gandalf beard captioned "MEN WITH FACIAL HAIR VS MEN WITHOUT" and then fight with guys trying to defend their decision by saying they do it for themselves in the comments saying "well that's just how women feel lol. You can grow a beard if you like but no woman will want to date you". I don't make blanket statements like "I just think facial hair on guys is really unattractive" to mixed groups of guys where some of them have some designer stubble and then get defensive when they point out they do, in fact, have some facial hair.

I simply don't date guys with beards.

to_undo_lists · 2020-04-28T12:30:57+00:00

I think they don't know shit about make-up and def mistake good makeup skills for natural beauty or airbrushing/photo editing.

Problem with this "preference" is that it creates a lot of insecurities in women to just be magically beautiful on their own - it low key tells us that women who wear make up are inadequate because "natural woman best" according to caveman.

thepastamancer · 2020-04-28T12:40:07+00:00

I think they have no idea what truly "natural" women look like and they just want to sound woke.

SaddleUpBucephalus · 2020-04-28T12:59:45+00:00

Several issues. One is the obvious where most men don't really know that what they're envisioning is a no-makeup or light makeup look. Look at their behaviour, not their words. The made-up women are the ones they lust after. Even the same woman who is beautiful with zero makeup, is always paid attention to and preferred more when she has some makeup on.

Another issue is that, well, who asked them? Most men think we are dying to hear their opinion and lap it up like a Pickmeisha. It's another type of mansplaining. They say this to us so they can try to keep us insecure and in line.

Turn it around on them. Heaven forbid women respond by saying something like "I prefer men who are naturally handsome, built, 6'4, and have a big dick". They'd cry internally and be insecure about it for 40 years.

lunacmoonc · 2020-04-28T16:01:07+00:00

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saltyandpepa · 2020-04-28T14:03:16+00:00

They think that's what they want, but they don't want to see acne scars, under-eye bags, discoloured skin, etc.

They also have no respect for the amazing skill it takes to properly apply make-up.

endorphins_ · 2020-04-28T14:47:49+00:00

Men stay ignorant about how much product goes into a “natural look”. What they mean is that they prefer women who don’t wear bold eyeshadow and lip shades.

2020-04-28T12:28:33+00:00

i roll my eyes because i don't care what men "prefer," LOL

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joking aside, a man who *actually believes this probably won't say it.

i'm seeing a nice gentleman atm (for about 10 months now, mono, lightly serious- we have a date once or twice a week and i enjoy his company). i've never worn makeup (or shaved) and he's never mentioned it. he says things to me like "you look really pretty today, that's a really nice sweater" or "you smell great- i love the soap you have at your house." so i kinda feel like if someone mentions it, it might not be sincere.

edit- i a word. must not have had enough coffee yet!

canttouchthisnananan · 2020-04-28T12:27:12+00:00

It’s about controlling how you look. If you wouldn’t wear makeup they’d say they prefer makeup on women. It’s just a way to put women down and control them.

Novemberinthechair · 2020-04-28T14:01:16+00:00

The same thing I think about guys who say “my wife/gf/ex doesn’t NEED makeup!”

That the are insufferable.

Sekina7 · 2020-04-28T12:41:11+00:00

It’s their way of keeping a women from utilising the thing that literally disabled their brains -beauty/femininity. It’s the number one thing that disabled them and it signifies a “higher maintenance woman” which to them equals a women with options and competition for him. There is a difference between a man not liking the caked on , cheap thick Make up and a man liking a low maintenance women that he can pursue on the cheap....most married men leave or cheat on third first honest , hardworking /50/50 no make up or low maintenance woman for the glamazon of their dreams . And notice most men’s dream woman is NOT natural ...

ilike2snap · 2020-04-28T16:16:05+00:00

They want naturally beautiful flawless women who are magically “low maintenance” without any effort.

princessSnarley · 2020-04-28T13:22:52+00:00

I say “ then I’m not your woman”

blackopium777 · 2020-04-28T12:23:39+00:00

I don't think about them at all, because they are mostly hypocrites and I don't want that type of energy in my life. I am wearing alot of makeup usually, it has the nice extra effect that males like this don't approach me.

Kekekeke7777 · 2020-04-28T13:21:34+00:00

Controlling.

christmasforoutlaws · 2020-04-28T13:00:39+00:00

Those are the same guys who wonder what's wrong with you/why you're not "trying" when you actually don't wear makeup.

Maisiebr · 2020-04-28T12:57:00+00:00

In my dream world it would mean that women's flaws would be just as much accepted as it is for men to have a crusty wrinkly textured face, but as we know, most men who say things like that aren't of an accepting mindset, they just want to control women. They are either scared that makeup means more options and higher standards or they are of the "take her swimming on the first date" mindset.

azngirl7689 · 2020-04-28T13:02:20+00:00

They’re picturing Kim K’s typical look. No makeup makeup which ironically takes more makeup to achieve than a regular “loud” makeup look.

Salt-Stomach · 2020-04-28T12:30:19+00:00

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2020-04-28T18:03:54+00:00

I think some guys might also go into this phase AFTER you already start a relationship with them.. these are the same guys that will undermine your attempts to keep going to the gym... they secretly prefer fit women who wear makeup, but figure some other man will "steal" you if you keep caring about your appearance.

rosa_sally · 2020-04-28T19:05:46+00:00

My brother prefers literally zero makeup, zero nail polish, plain dressed etc. His gf happens to be like that so it works well.

He was brought up in a female heavy household where we were all super glam and done up - loads of makeup, fake nails, hair extensions etc. I only assume he prefers the simpler way of living.

I also know in the UK, there’s plenty of women with very extreme appearances. Very dark fake tans, very long nails, loads of hair, giant dark eyebrows. If a women wants to look like that, then totally up to her but I think men asking for ‘no makeup’ is actually just ‘no extreme look’ but not articulated correctly.

I cannot however tolerate men who just like to say the opposite of whatever state you’re in. All done up to go out? ‘I prefer you natural babe’. Lounging around the house for a few days au natural? ‘Are you gonna put some makeup on and do your hair?’

Emma_Lemma_108 · 2020-04-28T16:48:45+00:00

My boyfriend’s mom was a well known MUA in their home country, so in his case I do believe him when he says he loves how I look without any makeup (dark circles and all lmao). But he’s never really stated it as a “preference” or when he does he makes a point to qualify that I look amazing WITH makeup, he just likes the intimacy of me being with him barefaced.

That being said a lot of guys are morons and really think a full face without any obvious colors of lipstick or eyeshadow is “natural.” So I generally don’t take them seriously when they say this.

rinabean · 2020-04-28T13:17:43+00:00

I think it's better for men to prefer that (assuming they're talking about routinely wearing "natural" looking makeup, and that they actually know what it looks like), but why are they saying it? Comparing you to other women is never truly flattering, whether or not it's actively negging (and if you're wearing visible makeup, this is negging). Why should you give a toss what he thinks about "women"? Why is that relevant to you at all? What is your reaction supposed to be, apart from grateful fawning that you meet with his approval/changing so that you do?

venomoth91 · 2020-04-28T19:24:04+00:00

In my experience, only ugly guys who don’t take care of themselves say that. I’ve never heard a handsome fit guy say it.

PossibleCook · 2020-04-28T16:13:41+00:00

I think it’s straight up pretentious and shows how self absorbed they are. Because honestly, who the fuck cares what they think? The men who say this just wanna seem woke and they think that they’re opinion matters and that women around them will be so relieved to hear it because OBVIOUSLY women only wear makeup to impress men.

rudycat123 · 2020-04-28T16:54:53+00:00

I always thought it was a way to make a woman not stand out. I think some men want a woman to be invisible to other men.

MuttonDressedAsGoose · 2020-04-28T14:54:19+00:00

They don't like the full on, contoured Instagram makeup artist look, which is understandable. But they can't tell if you're wearing subtle, neutral makeup.

i_squanched_today · 2020-05-11T20:35:19+00:00

It depends. If a guy says it to you when you’re not wearing any makeup, he’s probably just trying to be nice and it could be sincere. If a guy says it to you when you’re wearing a full face of makeup it’s definitely negging.

Lady_Schmoobleydong · 2020-04-28T15:33:18+00:00

I do find that the heavy makeup trend is too much for me and in the IG/ Kardashian era, it often feels like the default setting. I feel like we as a society are moving toward the idea that a woman must be painted to be beautiful, that we must practically change our bone structures with makeup, which is a sad, double-edged sword. Women are told that the effort to be beautiful is deemed vain or vapid, but without beauty (especially the effortless looking kind), we're worthless.

When I was getting my wedding makeup trial, the MUA went so heavy and full coverage, that it aged me, it looked bad and she essentially threatened me by saying, "if we go lighter, it won't look as good, you have to think of the pictures." She clearly wasn't looking at my nasolabial folds where the makeup had CREASED. It was like pulling teeth to go lighter and even when she did, she wouldn't shut up about it.

I'm someone who prefers wearing less makeup, full coverage makeup is really heavy on my skin. But there is no person that I know, no man that I have dated, that doesn't know exactly what I look like, so the "false advertising" claims, the "swimming dates" are all bullshit. Obviously I love knowing that my husband finds me beautiful whether I’m wearing makeup or not, or when I am as he says “extra cute” and he’ll parade me around, but that’s how he is and it doesn’t matter to him. I don’t wear certain things to please him, that’s just gravy.

potatodreamspablo · 2020-04-28T17:46:40+00:00

I personally don't wear make up and if I do, its very minimal. Men don't take any interest in me unless that's actually what they like, so if a man says that to me once were dating/in a relationship, I'm fine with it as it's obviously a true/redundant statement

If I was wearing makeup on that occasion or frequently - I would take it differently!

Muffcakelord · 2020-04-29T00:32:56+00:00

They're low iq apes with misogynistic world views.

Just imagine what they're saying. Think about it; they claim to never or seldom find any woman prettier with makeup than without.

Now remind yourself just how different all makeup styles and women and their faces are.

It's a god damn lie. They don't know what the fuck they're talking about and they think women should care about their opinion on how women look in general. And, they probably think they're being unique because they secretly think of "all men" as the same guy; a rapey shallow guy. And he will think that being better than his made-up generalization of "all men", or "the other men", is more than enough for being a likeable and respectable person.

Long story short; easiest way to catch a toxic LVM

2020-04-29T00:33:15+00:00

They don't notice that some women wear makeup in a subtle way, so when they say "natural", it's really only subtle.

2020-04-29T01:32:50+00:00

liars lmao

Queen_Anne_Boleyn · 2020-04-29T04:06:22+00:00

Guys are clueless about make-up. To most guys, they only recognize make-up when you've decided to do a full-on Jeffree Star or Alyssa Edward's type of look.

Sasofa · 2020-04-29T04:45:15+00:00

It's called NEGGING.

This is when they lower your self esteem and self assurance and then quickly pull it back up (if you agree with them). This, over time, creates a relationship where you are seeking validation constantly and feel like they "make you feel special" when in reality they have done nothing. They are enacting control by putting you in a position where you concede to their views.

appleadam123 · 2020-04-29T07:34:03+00:00

Take it as another way of saying you are not like other girls

Nifteroni-and-Cheese · 2020-04-29T16:44:23+00:00

Bold of them to assume I care what they think.

PhospholipidB · 2020-04-28T15:23:12+00:00

I'd consider the individual saying it. Do this person mean they don't like makeup that isn't natural look? Or just not into makeup?(some aren't) Or is this part of some lame negging-type ploy to undermine a woman who wears flashy makeup?

I do not wear makeup. I never did. I've had men tell me they "prefer natural look", and I do believe they were being sincere. I lucked out with naturally pretty good skin and very unusual eye color, so maybe I just won the genetics lottery? I also look a good 10+ yrs younger than my actual age (40s). I'm not trying to brag; we all have our strong and weak points. Conversely I have the metabolism where if I just look at pictures of food, i gain weight. I'm also the opposite of an athlete & am able to trip over my own feet.

We need to love our bodies as is. You wear makeup if you like it. Dont wear it if you dont like it. But either way, you don't change who you are to accommodate what a man says!

katherineemerald · 2020-04-28T18:32:26+00:00

They’re the same men who think natural body hair on women is gross so I don’t really care about their opinion lol. I’ll wear makeup when I feel like it and go makeup free on my own terms 💁🏻‍♀️

TenaciousTaty · 2020-04-28T23:17:24+00:00

Delusional! Most men who say this are just playing on respectability politics it’s bologna and honestly I could give two shits about what men think they have quite the audacity.

septemberfinestt · 2020-04-29T07:35:36+00:00

They can’t even recognize when a women IS wearing makeup, they think the natural makeup look is the « no makeup » they are talking about. Ignore that, men act complicated but they literally are the simplest creatures.

Mean-Head · 2020-04-29T08:58:29+00:00

It’s simply because men don’t understand makeup.

It won’t matter if a woman is wearing red lipstick and inch thick eyeliner, if a man finds her attractive = “natural” beauty.

When they think of someone wearing makeup, they’re imagining basically drag queen esque makeup.

Same goes for anything women do. Men will constantly say how they hate plastic surgery & women with lip fillers, but I’d garuntee they wouldn’t even be able to tell if a woman’s had lip fillers, they have no idea what they’re talking about and assume lip fillers = someone looking like they have their own episode of botched.

Men will tell me in the same breath how they hate “fake” women & prefer “natural” women like myself. While I’m standing in front of them with a chin implant, cheek fillers, forehead Botox, eyelash extensions and a full face of makeup. Makes sense in their heads I guess.

I believe it boils down to men generally hating anything that women do that makes them feel more beautiful.

Title	What do you think about guys that say that women are more beautiful without makeup and that they prefer "natural" women?
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Date	April 28, 2020 12:15 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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