Would also love to have more conversations about how we can be more intersectional and open to discussions about race and feminism ❤️

TAMITHROWAWAY · 2021-04-08T02:09:41+00:00

It's disgusting how society actually grooms girls into thinking that sex work is empowering, let alone ok. It's sad to see that girls really do think it's a world where they think that being the pleasure of men is their value, on top of the fact that this is seen as "easy" money.

sagisister · 2021-04-08T02:34:07+00:00

When I was 18 my friend told my she had a job I could get, it ended up being sex work (though in the interview they stressed the opposite naturally). By the time I found out it was hard for me to care, because I had a “troubled childhood” (aka a story for another time).

As a queer woman I never felt empowered. More than anything I saw men take my queerness as an excuse to push my boundaries, or to demand W/W acts between me and random coworkers.

Men are gross and sex work is traumatic. I could write an entire post on my experience but I’m worried it would be alienating for women here who haven’t been through that.

scaredfail · 2021-04-08T03:18:10+00:00

“hoodwinked, bamboozled, and scammed!!!” 😩😭🤣 I love her

Davina33 · 2021-04-08T07:33:03+00:00

A really good video! So true. I will never support prostitution. My mother was a prostitute. A poor mixed race woman who was drinking heavily, ran away from care and had no way of supporting herself. She never talked about what the men did to her but I can guess as she always used to tell me to never have anal sex. It fucked her up, she drank, took drugs and abused me throughout my whole childhood. If I see any liberal feminist try to talk about how it's fine and safe, I tell them that. I don't like Onlyfans either, so many women peddling their Onlyfans on reddit. I don't think they quite realise how much it will affect their future.

Lavender_flow · 2021-04-08T07:39:12+00:00

It is like it has been said time and time again; WOMEN'S POWER DO NOT COME FROM GETTING RAPED AND MURDERED!

Liberal feminist just ignore all the issues WoC and other marginalized groups face in that industry. I honestly think that libfems do not give a rats ass about anyone but themselves, they want sexwork to be empowering so none can "shame" them for how their choice is shit for all women, but they grave the male validation so much (and the cash) so that is why they do it. Libfems dont realize that male validation does not mean anything and it is useless.

Also, I have a really hard time seeing how anyone but a VERY VERY SELECT FEW would make money off platforms such as OF. It is oversaturated, so you end up having your body out there for the world to see, for minimal money and once it is on the internet it is there for life. Look at Mia Khalifa, she started doing OF + insta thirst because she literally could not find another job after doing porn, everyone knows who she is pretty much, she cant even go outside, so now she decided to profit off it. I do not agree with her actions, but I understand it. She is being ridiculed when people recognize her, because she was in porn.

muricaxoxo · 2021-04-08T07:21:21+00:00

Also I enjoy true crime and have noticed a lot of sex workers get murdered and many serial killer victims have been sex workers. The saddest part is most of the victims have been forced by circumstances such as poverty or some other reason and people don't realise they are missing. Their killers don't always get caught :( why anyone would think sex work is empowering is beyond me.

okokokokthrowaaayyy · 2021-04-08T10:33:33+00:00

i love seeing anti capitalism on FDS ❤️

xNayxNayx · 2021-04-08T12:36:43+00:00

Have done sex work and have stopped because it literally grated on my soul. I felt myself being chipped away at in each encounter. Women like to say “oh he’s taking me nice places, girl!”, “oh he gave me this!”

Cool story bro, but this is all in exchange for treating you inhumanely. If men treat women like we owe them after paying for for fucking Arby’s, do you think he’s not going to feel like he owns you after that Caribbean get away? Try asserting yourself after a man thinks he owns you, ESPECIALLY if he spent money on you. You better run because they WILL hurt you. I got out by using my very large and intimidating male family members (who are at the core of it, are only outraged at how I was treated because I am “theirs” by default and what is “theirs” is being threatened by another man) to set shit straight. I’m a firm believer in using the men in your family this way. They are bound to you by DUTY and NOT your humanity (although your humanity is more of a reality to them than that of outside women) and will 9/10 uphold THAT.

Oh and I’ll add, you wouldn’t believe racism I’ve had to swallow because I needed to pay my bills. Fuck that shit.

spinsterchachkies · 2021-04-08T02:00:49+00:00

Girl 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

venomous_g · 2021-04-08T03:26:25+00:00

It’s frightening how little liberal feminists care about how incredibly racist their beloved sEx iNduStRy is and how deeply inequitable outcomes are for black and brown women compared to white ones. As long as a few extremely privileged white western women can make tons of money, it doesn’t matter how many poorer, browner, non-western women are destroyed.

nomaki221 · 2021-04-08T03:37:31+00:00

There is something mentally very very wrong with “liberal feminists” who advocate for empowering women through sex work. Fuck off with that shit, you’re a waste of air.

pascalines · 2021-04-08T13:16:56+00:00

I would love more conversations about race/class/sexuality/ability on FDS! All women supporting ALL women is so important and I’d love to have discussions of what we can do to level the playing field.

CroneRaisedMaiden · 2021-04-08T12:44:12+00:00

There’s this narrative out there that stripping “isn’t sex work” so it’s “empowering”. I was a stripper my first round of college 12–13 years ago. I still have nightmares about being robbed at gunpoint. It’s not empowering it’s just as seedy.

ConfusedMegladon · 2021-04-08T03:41:01+00:00

Not to mention being a sex worker can effect your ability to work in a lot of different industries if you change your mind, and that your body and youth has an expiration date, and that everything you put out will be there for ever.

doc-2-be · 2021-04-08T13:00:32+00:00

Exactly what I needed! I have a friend who keeps talking about how sex work is "empowering" and I've been trying to help her understand how the society has tricked us into thinking that . Anyway, I hope this woman gets through her ,better than I did.

PossiblyJennay · 2021-04-08T14:12:11+00:00

Don’t agree with all of what she said but the pro-sex work crowd always tends to reveal their hypocrisy when you ask them how they would react if their young daughter told them they wanted to be a stripper or a prostitute when she grows up.

If they say that’s okay, then they are either A. lying or B. crazy. There’s no middle ground.

So when a privileged, college-educated Buzzfeed feminist says that something is empowering, ask how they would feel if the most important people in their lives did said “empowering” activity. They recoil.

Sex work is exploitation and fuels the worst parts of human existence.

hangingplaintain · 2021-04-08T13:44:28+00:00

I understand that “sex work is empowering” is rooted in the desire to destigmatize sex, and to normalize women enjoying sex. But the likes of Bella Thorne and other semi-celebrities going on onlyfans bc they’re “empowered”?! Most people who fall in to sex work do it for SURVIVAL and are extremely vulnerable and destitute. Onlyfans girls and libfems who push sex empowerment are normalizing sex work for already wealthy and mostly white social media stars are erasing the survival sex workers who have a life expectancy in their 30s?!?!?

ColdxConfection · 2021-04-09T00:27:51+00:00

I'm a stripper. When people ask if i'm empowered, I just want to cringe. i've noticed most girls who start this for fun or to "empower" themselves, stop coming in after about a month or two. This is definitely NOT for everyone & the industry is ABSOLUTELY not free of criticism. I hate my nipples being touched now, because of so many men licking/pinching them without permission. I've had fingers in places where they shouldn't be, came on during dances, etc. Most strippers are on drugs or have drinking problems because of the party environment & peer pressure. I always say I would enjoy dancing if not for men (and pick mes that also assault me for cool girl points). This is not safe work. Men get entitled to your time & sexuality. Sometimes it takes years before you start making money (if at all), and lots of clubs are exploitative (many I've worked had managers that gave benefits to girls who slept with them, or enforced exorbitant tipouts so sometimes you make $200 in dances/tips but then go home with nothing after tipout). Also the industry is racist AS FUCK.

I don't overall regret it, because I am disabled (fibromyalgia, EDS) & the flexibility to work two days a month & still have a decent life is cool, but it's not something you take lightly at all. The libfems are wrong. They will plug their ears in while you try to explain to them the downsides of working in this industry, and why most people work in it to begin with. Libfems do NOT listen to sex workers real experiences unless it's positive wOkEnEsS to prove their point.

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level_up_always · 2021-04-08T03:18:48+00:00

so as far as my own experience i was a 'privileged' sex worker who knew to a certain extent that things were different for other races but not in any type of comparison to how i do now. the other interesting thing is that even among privileged races there is still additional layers of intersectionality/privilege. for example i am white and customers liked that i was american and would put down the other white eastern european women and also refused to pay them over a certain amount while we got a premium because english wasn't their native language (they still spoke english tho just with an accent). honestly most of those women were wayyy hotter too lol they take their looks very seriously over there because competition is cutthroat. and lets not even get into the hugeeee amount of white men that loved hearing about 'bbc'... there's just so many nuances this conversation could go into and it's a hard one to discuss because it's uncomfortable.

in regards to the experience of others one thing that i learned on this intersectional journey was this whole concept of who you choose as your mate/have babies with being political. i had no idea how deep that went and how much thought other groups put into it. especially the men pressuring women to choose from their own group to make a political statement and if they choose outside their group it's a betrayal as well as going against their politics. its just never something i thought about myself and learning how big of a deal it is for others was really eye opening.

Aocwannabe · 2021-04-08T02:50:53+00:00

White liberal feminists fail to see that their embrace of the casual sex/ hook up culture is a way they flex their white privilege. White women can make porn (Kim Kardashian, Paris Hilton, et al) and amass incredible wealth. Black and brown women who do the same would be crucified. (Cardi B and Meg the Stallion).

I’ve met so many white liberal feminists that want to share the explicit details about their sex lives or are proud of “using” men and having lots of sex partners. I think this behavior is revolting. They just adopt the worst vices of 🤡 men and call it “feminism”.

pinkcityscape · 2021-04-08T14:29:46+00:00

I think that’s my biggest issue a lot of these sw’s don’t realise their glamorisation of this industry puts so many vulnerable people in danger. It’s not empowering at all...

yikz123 · 2021-04-08T03:29:38+00:00

She’s smart and gorgeous !

Reporter_Complex · 2021-04-08T04:07:37+00:00

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_electrafire · 2021-05-18T23:23:58+00:00

Only if by “intersectional” you don’t mean representing only the interests of black men at the expense of black women and then call it “feminism.” Because that’s what seems to be mainstream intersectional feminism today. Probably because no one even bothers listening to BW and taking their lived-experience into account. It’s so infuriating

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